Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Airgrids?
To answer question I don't think so. I think the 5V-POE issue is going to scare us away from them for now anyway. The Nanobridge2 will be mimo, easier to install and should be very close in signal to the AirGrid2-20 anyway. The MIMO seems to be good for about a 3 db pickup. Regards Michael Baird > Does anyone on the north American continent have Ubiquiti AirGrids > (20dbi 2.4ghz) in stock? > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 2.4 Airgrids?
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
One thing that is saving us alot of time is dealing with delinquent accounts. Used to take about a couple hours each month to actually shut off CPEs for non-payment. Then each would have to call in, arrange for payment or make a credit card payment over the phone, bitch at the agent on the phone, etc. Now, with the combination of the Billing Server/BMU/Customer Portal, that activity has dropped to next-to-nothing. BMU redirects the "Delinquent" user's browser to a "delinquent" page and offers to connect them to the Customer Portal on the billing server. Customers can now re-activate themselves with their credit card, and don't have to go through the embarrassment of talking with someone at our office, and we don't have to deal with them either. And to boot, Powercode v9 now can automatically charge a "Reconnect Fee" to turn service back on. With shutoffs happening more rapidly and automatically, people are getting used to it and paying us more regularly. The usual suspects that seem to always be late are learning, too. It used to be that we could turn them back on until their "check came in the mail". Now we say, "I'm sorry, the system won't let you back on until I clear the late portion of the account". That's kinda true, too, because you can manually change the customer's status from "Delinquent" to "Active", and it will let them back on. Until 3am the next morning when the routine hits again to change the account BACK to "Delinquent". Poof! This "having to deal MORE with the people who AREN'T paying on time" used to really irk me. Now, with this system in place, I make about $250/mo from reconnect fees. Hardly have to deal with them at all, and money is coming in much more efficiently. BTW... Higher-end business clients have a HUGE grace period before they turn to "Delinquent". Didn't want those guys getting shut off just because the A/P clerk took a few days off and got behind on paying the bill! - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties Not sure if it deletes the account. I doubt it and hope it doesn't, though. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is > accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the > account is set to "Not Active"? > > That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. > > Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns > hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts > without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and > email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. > > Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been > accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other > day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in > about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our > "provided-free" domains saves us $$. > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but > I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, > that's all. We don't chargew for email. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put >> those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? >> >> For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service >> within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell >> them >> 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from >> those >> email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or >> "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? >> >> Do my questions make sense to you? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. >> >> Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is >> (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the >> form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they >> forget it, too. >> >> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> Hey, I'm not using email integration. >>> >>> How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail >>> accounts" issue aside)? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Not sure if it deletes the account. I doubt it and hope it doesn't, though. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is > accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the > account is set to "Not Active"? > > That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. > > Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns > hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts > without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and > email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. > > Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been > accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other > day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in > about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our > "provided-free" domains saves us $$. > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but > I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, > that's all. We don't chargew for email. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put >> those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? >> >> For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service >> within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell >> them >> 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from >> those >> email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or >> "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? >> >> Do my questions make sense to you? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. >> >> Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is >> (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the >> form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they >> forget it, too. >> >> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> Hey, I'm not using email integration. >>> >>> How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail >>> accounts" issue aside)? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >>> >>> >>> I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them >>> to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. >>> >>> Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to >>> ask __" who has to ask someone else. >>> >>> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: It's been love-hate. We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and scheduling, tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support to help us when we had a problem with it. Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We like better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their version 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or break" with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe necessary). Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, the other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). A week
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8. There is no NLOS. I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras. The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to work. And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your bandwidth. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) How does 4.9 perform in nLOS? Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for when they get new laptops. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West wrote: > Yep, that's what I tried to do. If the laptop is to be stationary in the > vehicle it wouldn't be an issue. But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd > probably need the express card instead. > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use > a different external connector with a different antenna? > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the >> antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. >> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess >> totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA >> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending > on >> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a >> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the >> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to >> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put >> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & >> feather for poor relaibility! >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >>> >>> And here is why.. >>> >>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >>> Toshiba to use the thing >>> >>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires > though. >>> >>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >>> SMA >>> conector I installed in the laptop. >>> >>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >>> big >>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >>> that >>> it's cheaper to go that route. >>> >>> So it sits in the toolbox. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >>> >>> >>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? > http://ubnt.com/src >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day in and day out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> > wrote: > We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for > mobile broadband in 7 police u
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
OK, but at least, if the account was actually CREATED in Powercode, it is accounted for in the billing program and cleaned up (removed) when the account is set to "Not Active"? That's a huge step in the right direction for cleaning up email accounts. Since there's no cross-reference now, I have no way of knowing who owns hundreds of our email addresses. You get people putting in email accounts without a first & last name that identifies the Powercode customer, and email addresses like just2d...@whatever.com. Currently, I just have a policy of removing accounts that have not been accessed in any way within the last 6 months (deleted about 120 the other day). We pay 3rd party host for email, and we give some away and take in about $1k/mo for hosted email. So cleaning up unused accounts for our "provided-free" domains saves us $$. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, that's all. We don't chargew for email. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put > those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? > > For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service > within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell > them > 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from > those > email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or > "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? > > Do my questions make sense to you? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. > > Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is > (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the > form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they > forget it, too. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Hey, I'm not using email integration. >> >> How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail >> accounts" issue aside)? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them >> to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. >> >> Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to >> ask __" who has to ask someone else. >> >> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> It's been love-hate. >>> >>> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >>> scheduling, >>> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work >>> as >>> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >>> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech >>> support >>> to >>> help us when we had a problem with it. >>> >>> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the >>> tide >>> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >>> like >>> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >>> version >>> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >>> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >>> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >>> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >>> break" >>> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >>> necessary). >>> >>> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >>> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they >>> used >>> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, >>> the >>> other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most >>> times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in >>> troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server >>> initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results >>> to >>> the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those >>> results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). >>> A >>> week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any >>> customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it >>> is >>> logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately >>> began >>> h
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
I see what you're getting at. I don't think the two tie together but I've not looked at it that way. I made sure the account existed, that's all. We don't chargew for email. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put > those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? > > For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service > within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell them > 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from those > email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or > "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? > > Do my questions make sense to you? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. > > Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is > (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the > form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they > forget it, too. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> Hey, I'm not using email integration. >> >> How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail >> accounts" issue aside)? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >> I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them >> to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. >> >> Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to >> ask __" who has to ask someone else. >> >> On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> It's been love-hate. >>> >>> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >>> scheduling, >>> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work >>> as >>> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >>> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support >>> to >>> help us when we had a problem with it. >>> >>> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide >>> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >>> like >>> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >>> version >>> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >>> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >>> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >>> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >>> break" >>> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >>> necessary). >>> >>> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >>> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they >>> used >>> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, >>> the >>> other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most >>> times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in >>> troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server >>> initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to >>> the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those >>> results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). >>> A >>> week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any >>> customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is >>> logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately >>> began >>> having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before >>> they >>> leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of >>> the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. >>> >>> I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to >>> everyone >>> to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. >>> Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't >>> there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. >>> >>> They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new >>> pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day >>> one...expensive >>> in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. >>> >>> All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with >>> Powercode. >>> I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mark Dueck" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM >>> Subj
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
How does 4.9 perform in nLOS? Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for when they get new laptops. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West wrote: > Yep, that's what I tried to do. If the laptop is to be stationary in the > vehicle it wouldn't be an issue. But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd > probably need the express card instead. > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use > a different external connector with a different antenna? > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the >> antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. >> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess >> totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA >> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending > on >> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a >> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the >> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to >> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put >> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & >> feather for poor relaibility! >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >>> >>> And here is why.. >>> >>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >>> Toshiba to use the thing >>> >>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires > though. >>> >>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >>> SMA >>> conector I installed in the laptop. >>> >>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >>> big >>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >>> that >>> it's cheaper to go that route. >>> >>> So it sits in the toolbox. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >>> >>> >>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? > http://ubnt.com/src >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day in and day out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> > wrote: > We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for > mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has > successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to > start. > > Thanks > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > (918) 235-0414 > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential > and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the sender im
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Does it actually count up the number of email addresses you have and put those on a billing line item, or account for them as part of a package? For instance... Customer is given 5 email addresses as a monthly service within their package called "Wireless Internet Service". Then we sell them 10 more "Email accounts" for a total of 15... Does Powercode bill from those email addresses? Are the actual email addresses tied to the "Package" or "Monthly Service"? Or are they just managed? Do my questions make sense to you? - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they forget it, too. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Hey, I'm not using email integration. > > How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail > accounts" issue aside)? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them > to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. > > Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to > ask __" who has to ask someone else. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> It's been love-hate. >> >> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >> scheduling, >> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work >> as >> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support >> to >> help us when we had a problem with it. >> >> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide >> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >> like >> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >> version >> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >> break" >> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >> necessary). >> >> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they >> used >> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, >> the >> other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most >> times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in >> troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server >> initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to >> the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those >> results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). >> A >> week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any >> customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is >> logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately >> began >> having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before >> they >> leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of >> the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. >> >> I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to >> everyone >> to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. >> Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't >> there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. >> >> They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new >> pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day >> one...expensive >> in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. >> >> All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with >> Powercode. >> I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mark Dueck" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >>> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >>> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >>> it. >>> >>> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usa
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for when they get new laptops. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West wrote: > Yep, that's what I tried to do. If the laptop is to be stationary in the > vehicle it wouldn't be an issue. But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd > probably need the express card instead. > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use > a different external connector with a different antenna? > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the >> antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. >> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess >> totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA >> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending > on >> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a >> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the >> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to >> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put >> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & >> feather for poor relaibility! >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >>> >>> And here is why.. >>> >>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >>> Toshiba to use the thing >>> >>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires > though. >>> >>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >>> SMA >>> conector I installed in the laptop. >>> >>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >>> big >>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >>> that >>> it's cheaper to go that route. >>> >>> So it sits in the toolbox. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >>> >>> >>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? > http://ubnt.com/src >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day in and day out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> > wrote: > We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for > mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has > successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to > start. > > Thanks > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > (918) 235-0414 > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential > and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- > mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this > information by a person other than the intended recipient is > unauthorized and may be illegal. > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
That one VERY SMALL and ANNOYING bit...perfect. Email address is managed inside an account so you know who's it is (you can look an account up by it for example). Simply fill out the form and his submit. You can change their password for them if they forget it, too. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Hey, I'm not using email integration. > > How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail > accounts" issue aside)? > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > > > I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them > to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. > > Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to > ask __" who has to ask someone else. > > On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> It's been love-hate. >> >> We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and >> scheduling, >> tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as >> the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into >> place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support >> to >> help us when we had a problem with it. >> >> Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide >> has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We >> like >> better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their >> version >> 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we >> wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so >> that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer >> with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or >> break" >> with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe >> necessary). >> >> Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our >> problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used >> to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, >> the >> other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most >> times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in >> troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server >> initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to >> the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those >> results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). >> A >> week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any >> customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is >> logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately >> began >> having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before >> they >> leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of >> the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. >> >> I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to >> everyone >> to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. >> Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't >> there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. >> >> They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new >> pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day >> one...expensive >> in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. >> >> All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. >> I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mark Dueck" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >>> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >>> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >>> it. >>> >>> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue as
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
Hey, I'm not using email integration. How's that working for you (the "changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts" issue aside)? - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to ask __" who has to ask someone else. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > It's been love-hate. > > We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and > scheduling, > tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as > the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into > place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support > to > help us when we had a problem with it. > > Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide > has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We > like > better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their > version > 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we > wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so > that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer > with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or > break" > with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe > necessary). > > Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our > problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used > to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, > the > other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most > times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in > troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server > initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to > the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those > results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). > A > week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any > customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is > logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately > began > having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before > they > leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of > the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. > > I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to > everyone > to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. > Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't > there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. > > They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new > pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day > one...expensive > in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. > > All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. > I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Dueck" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >> it. >> >> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >>> when >>> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, >>> like >>> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >>> check >>> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >>> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >>> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >>> >>> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >>> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and >>> tracking >>> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >>> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >>> revenue >>> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly >>> limits. >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wis
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
I agree it's overall positive but for the life of me I can't get them to add changepassword on log in to new Gmail accounts. Such a tiny thing and I keep mentioning it, but it's the "I'll have to ask __" who has to ask someone else. On 4/30/10, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > It's been love-hate. > > We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and scheduling, > tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as > the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into > place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support to > help us when we had a problem with it. > > Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide > has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We like > better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their version > 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we > wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so > that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer > with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or break" > with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe necessary). > > Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our > problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used > to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, the > other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most > times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in > troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server > initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to > the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those > results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). A > week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any > customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is > logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately began > having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before they > leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of > the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. > > I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to everyone > to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. > Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't > there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. > > They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new > pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day one...expensive > in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. > > All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. > I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Dueck" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >> it. >> >> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >>> when >>> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >>> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >>> check >>> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >>> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >>> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >>> >>> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >>> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >>> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >>> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >>> revenue >>> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >>> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >
Re: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
I just realized that I may have left the impression that we never implemented the BMU (though you COULD have figured it out in the details of my previous post). In fact, we ARE now using the Powercode BMU, and it's working well. For our concerns about all of our traffic going through it, we inserted a work-around that would let us bypass the BMU (route around it) if it became problematic, or if we need to reboot it/maintain it. It is the part that is not 100% right now. It doesn't fully support remote subnets, like if we have a customer who has a /29 or whatever subnet on the LAN side of their CPE. They technically have more than 1 IP to track for OVERALL bandwidth usage. It doesn't fully support this with reporting and bandwidth limiting. Most of our customers have only 1 IP address, though, so it's not a large problem. However, the problem tends to be with larger clients. We have a non-Powercode solution in place as a stop-gap measure right now, until the problem is fixed. - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties > It's been love-hate. > > We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and > scheduling, > tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as > the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into > place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support > to > help us when we had a problem with it. > > Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide > has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We > like > better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their > version > 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we > wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so > that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer > with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or > break" > with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe > necessary). > > Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our > problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used > to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, > the > other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most > times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in > troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server > initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to > the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those > results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). > A > week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any > customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is > logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately > began > having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before > they > leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of > the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. > > I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to > everyone > to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. > Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't > there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. > > They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new > pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day > one...expensive > in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. > > All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. > I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Dueck" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in >> Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against >> it. >> >> On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >>> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >>> when >>> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, >>> like >>> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >>> check >>> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >>> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >>> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >>> >>> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >>> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thre
[WISPA] Powercode WAS: Overage thresholds and penalties
It's been love-hate. We've actually been using it since January 2008, for billing and scheduling, tracking leads, etc. We purchased the Imagestream Rebel router to work as the Bandwidth Manager Unit (BMU) later that year, but never put it into place. This was primarily because we didn't trust Powercode tech support to help us when we had a problem with it. Things were dicey & sketchy with Powercode for awhile. We think the tide has turned with the company, being bought out by Bertram Wireless. We like better what's going on with them now, and we have upgraded to their version 9 with a substantial increase in monthly cost. We did this because we wanted the bandwidth management integrated with our billing platform, so that a low-cost customer service agent could pretty much help a customer with whatever their needs were. We felt that it was time to "make or break" with Powercode, or switch to another platform (painful but maybe necessary). Powercode, the company, has been working well with us to resolve our problems. They seem to care about having our business more than they used to, as they are responding to us and addressing our concerns. In fact, the other day, I requested a new feature...seemed like a simple one but most times feature requests fall on deaf ears. Powercode has built-in troubleshooting utilities like ping-flood (web-interfaced billing server initiates the command and the BMU runs it and reports back the results to the billing server then back to your web browser). Well, I wanted those results to be logged in the customer account (PC has EXTENSIVE logging). A week later, that feature was released on an update. Now, whenever any customer service agent runs a troubleshooting utility in Powercode, it is logged on the customer account and stored forever. So, we immediately began having our installers running their tests from within Powercode before they leave the install. Now we have 3 tests logged for initial performance of the connection. Anyway... pretty good turn-around on my request. I was at a turning point a few months ago, sending out an email to everyone to begin searching for a new OSS because we weren't 100% on our features. Being 100% on features, I felt, will save us about .5 FTE. If we aren't there, and are paying the high price of v9 Powercode...not worth it. They're working with us and I hope to be 100% in a week or so. Their new pricing has good economy of scale, too...affordable from day one...expensive in numbers but advanced features will save you people time at this point. All-in-all, still I think it has been a positive adventure with Powercode. I'm glad the product has a better managed company behind it now. - Original Message - From: "Mark Dueck" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in > Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against > it. > > On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >> when >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
I use it and like it. On 4/30/10, Mark Dueck wrote: > How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in > Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against it. > > On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when >> >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Do you have a part number for that? Where do you get it? Thanks! Greg On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with > no gel. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
How is your experience with Powercode? I once considered putting in Powercode, but it looked to be a little used product, so decided against it. On 04/30/2010 10:24 AM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when > the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like > 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check > their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from > their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly > usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. > > Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not > 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking > has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them > appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue > as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
I looked at what was out there, and decided that most were too expensive and worse... Too large for some sites. I've used the little yagi's as "sectors" and really, for a cheap site, or a site you can't install the big antennas, they work reasonably well.Not very good front / back ratio, however. For a site with all the clients in a 100 degree arc, I put up two.They don't seem to interfere with each other, and more importantly, they are very small for a housetop access point, and at 6 feet vertical separation, they don't seem to have any issues even while using adjoining 5 mhz channels. You get what you pay for, but sometimes that's just what you need. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:02 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector > antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because > I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it > works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new > install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, > ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. > > I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB > so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's > deserved. > > Thanks. > > Bob- > > The cheap SOB > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
Just downloaded the usage report into Excel... About 1/3 of our users go 5gigs & above. It goes sharply up after that. The Powercode report shows upload usage, download usage, total usage, and upload-to-download ratio. You can usually catch the virus users or p2p-ers by checking the upload-to-download ratio. We sell 1 to 3 meg burstable connections as our primary product, both business and residential versions (higher price, priority support, etc) Beyond 3 megs, everything is custom and is generally $100/meg burstable, $200/meg dedicated. This pricing allows us to account for those really high-end need users who need the bandwidth and can't accept being limited. - Original Message - From: "Paul Gerstenberger" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have > been converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. > Our heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit > 200GB if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. > > I think most of those > 10GB are running netflix. > > -Paul > > On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, >> including >> servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the >> businesses >> different from the residential :-). >> >> We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. >> >> We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to >> run >> file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're >> loosing >> cost more than they are paying us. >> >> The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT >> service >> at a reasonable price and are very happy. >> >> We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. >> Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Gerstenberger" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >>> We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through >>> Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage >>> I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms >>> of >>> service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other >>> WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and >>> what >>> penalties or deterrents are used. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 Survey results from a couple of months ago
a couple of months ago I put a survey up about form 477. Last week someone emailed and asked about final results. following is the raw data. I don't think there is any identifying information that will upset anyone, if there is, my sincere apologies Link to the origional survey is http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F Customer Base Subscribers File Want Help Increasing 500 Yes Increasing 3500 Yes Increasing 200 No Increasing 450 Late Increasing 1100 Yes Increasing 150 Late Increasing 2015 Yes Increasing 250 Yes Increasing 1 No Increasing 700 No Increasing 110 No Increasing 1800 Yes Increasing 380 No Increasing 2577 Late Increasing 5000 No Increasing 2700 Yes Increasing 1800 No Increasing 1175 Yes Decreasing 200 Late Increasing 2000 Late Increasing 310 Yes Increasing 250 What Yes Increasing 685 Yes Yes Increasing 150 No Yes Increasing 350 Yes Increasing 1100 Yes No Increasing 629 No Yes Increasing 380 Late Increasing No Yes Increasing 400 No Yes Increasing 400 Yes Increasing 1300 Yes Increasing 200 Yes Increasing 2025 Late Yes Decreasing 240 No No Increasing 560 Late Decreasing 400 No No Increasing 600 No Yes Increasing 30 Yes Increasing 200 No Yes Increasing 2100 Yes Decreasing 4028 Yes Increasing 180 Yes Increasing 2490 Yes Yes Increasing 500 No Yes Increasing 1300 No Yes Increasing 1600 Yes Increasing 4500 Late Increasing 1000 No Yes Increasing 560 Late Increasing 500 Yes Increasing 220 No Yes Increasing 130 No Yes Increasing 200 Yes Increasing 530 No Yes Decreasing 15 No No Increasing 500 Late Yes Increasing 2300 No No Increasing 2600 Late Yes Increasing 300 No No Increasing 700 Late Increasing 57 No Yes Increasing 602 Yes Increasing 600 Yes Increasing 1500 Yes Increasing 425 No Yes Increasing 300 Yes Yes Increasing 1634 Yes Increasing 4500 Yes Increasing 3520 No No Increasing 1400 Yes No Increasing 50 No Yes Decreasing 300 Yes Increasing 435 No Yes Increasing 210 Yes 679 No Yes Increasing 1100 Yes Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
That was backwards actually, about one third exceeds 10GB. Still have nine hundred customers to convert to PPPoE, one by one... Oh joy. -Paul On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: > This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have been > converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. Our > heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit 200GB > if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. > > I think most of those > 10GB are running netflix. > > -Paul > > On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, including >> servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the businesses >> different from the residential :-). >> >> We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. >> >> We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to run >> file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're loosing >> cost more than they are paying us. >> >> The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT service >> at a reasonable price and are very happy. >> >> We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. >> Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Paul Gerstenberger" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties >> >> >>> We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through >>> Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage >>> I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of >>> service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other >>> WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what >>> penalties or deterrents are used. >>> >>> -Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
One way of looking at overage is an extra source of revenue. So long as you are not lossing mony on it and the customer is aware of the monthly limits. Richard WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
My typical customer has Internet and 4 phone lines. Low end revenue per customer runs 240 per month. I try to sell our service as a better alternative to cable or dsl. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:48 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer" wrote: > You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. > > Insurance. > > Electricity. > > Labor. > > Head end hardware. > > etc. etc. etc. > > You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer > based on > the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. > > Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in > infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 > per sub, > maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those > numbers. > > So you can REALLY only "afford" to give the customer $5 to $10 more > than the > average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the > sub. > > That make sense? > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, >> and when >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very >> hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login >> and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails >> from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their >> monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still >> not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and >> tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly >> limits. >> >> Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't >> currently >> have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, >> though... >> abusers are home users. >> >> Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very >> much. >> We >> have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. >> >> I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds >> should >> be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In >> looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, >> not >> $200. >> The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business >> (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of >> actual cost >> on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for >> bandwidth ourselves). >> >> Justin's response: >> ** >> If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up >> with >> a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. >> the >> price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee >> that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 >> hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You >> gave me >> a figure of about $200 per megabit. >> >> I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I >> took >> the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could >> consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 >> hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I >> then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that >> was >> at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum >> amount of >> bandwidth allowed. >> >> Example. A "$400/m" 1Mbps customer "resold" could theoretically >> consume >> 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month >> A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or >> 494GB/month >> >> I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we >> would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only >> $49 per >> month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of >> $400/m >> and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is >> just >> about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of >> bandwidth >> a 384kbps customer could consume. You get about 1.44Gb per day, or >> about 44GB/month. >> >> I knocked off a further 10% to give us a nice round ceiling, >> producing a >> final figure of 40GB/month for a 1.5Mbps customer as the maximum >> bandwidth they could be allowed to consume before they started >> hitting >> the falling point of the curve for bandwidth cost. Because I >> initially >> doubled our $200 cost to say that bandwidth, per megabit, costs us >> $400/m, we're comfortably padded. >> ** >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Pa
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
This isn't totally accurate as it's a monthly report and some users have been converted mid-month, but the average download I'm seeing is 5.7Gb. Our heaviest user did 105GB, and one recent conversion is on track to hit 200GB if the last weeks trend continues! About two thirds exceeded 10GB. I think most of those > 10GB are running netflix. -Paul On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, including > servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the businesses > different from the residential :-). > > We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. > > We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to run > file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're loosing > cost more than they are paying us. > > The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT service > at a reasonable price and are very happy. > > We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. > Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. > > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Gerstenberger" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through >> Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage >> I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of >> service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other >> WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what >> penalties or deterrents are used. >> >> -Paul >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
Didn't forget those. Man do I know about those costs... I don't sign the checks anymore as I've delegated that, but I know they're there. Just didn't say them. We have about a $10-$12k cost per month for growth (dedicated installers, trucks, fuel, sales commissions, marketing, new equipment, expansion sites, etc). If we stopped growing, I could literally pocket 63% this money today (estimated tax payments). But we are growing, so it costs...but I've "sectioned" those costs away as "growth" costs. Everything else...every other expense...monthly & annual...from "building rent" to "replacing the microwave in the kitchen when it goes bad" gets packaged into the "cost to deliver bandwidth" category. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. > > Insurance. > > Electricity. > > Labor. > > Head end hardware. > > etc. etc. etc. > > You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer based on > the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. > > Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in > infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 per sub, > maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those > numbers. > > So you can REALLY only "afford" to give the customer $5 to $10 more than > the > average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the sub. > > That make sense? > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and >> when >> the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like >> 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and >> check >> their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from >> their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly >> usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. >> >> Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not >> 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking >> has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them >> appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional >> revenue >> as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. >> >> Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't >> currently >> have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... >> abusers are home users. >> >> Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very much. >> We >> have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. >> >> I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds >> should >> be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In >> looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not >> $200. >> The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business >> (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual >> cost >> on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for >> bandwidth ourselves). >> >> Justin's response: >> ** >> If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with >> a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the >> price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee >> that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 >> hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me >> a figure of about $200 per megabit. >> >> I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took >> the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could >> consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 >> hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I >> then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that was >> at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum amount of >> bandwidth allowed. >> >> Example. A "$400/m" 1Mbps customer "resold" could theoretically consume >> 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month >> A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or >> 494GB/month >> >> I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we >> would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only $49 per >> month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of $400/m >> and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is just >> about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of bandwidth >> a 384kbps customer could consume. You get about 1.4
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
You forgot some things in your number crunching Matt. Insurance. Electricity. Labor. Head end hardware. etc. etc. etc. You have to run the calcs on how much you can give your customer based on the ENTIRE cost per customer. Not just the cost per gig. Out here each customer costs us about $10 in office overhead, $10 in infrastructure and $10 in upstream/server costs. I keep about $5 per sub, maybe a bit more these days, we've about doubled since I ran those numbers. So you can REALLY only "afford" to give the customer $5 to $10 more than the average user or else you are actually loosing money, overall, on the sub. That make sense? marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when > the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like > 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and > check > their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from > their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly > usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. > > Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not > 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking > has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them > appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional > revenue > as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. > > Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't > currently > have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... > abusers are home users. > > Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very much. > We > have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. > > I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds should > be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In > looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not > $200. > The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business > (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual cost > on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for > bandwidth ourselves). > > Justin's response: > ** > If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with > a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the > price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee > that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 > hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me > a figure of about $200 per megabit. > > I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took > the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could > consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 > hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I > then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that was > at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum amount of > bandwidth allowed. > > Example. A "$400/m" 1Mbps customer "resold" could theoretically consume > 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month > A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or > 494GB/month > > I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we > would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only $49 per > month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of $400/m > and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is just > about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of bandwidth > a 384kbps customer could consume. You get about 1.44Gb per day, or > about 44GB/month. > > I knocked off a further 10% to give us a nice round ceiling, producing a > final figure of 40GB/month for a 1.5Mbps customer as the maximum > bandwidth they could be allowed to consume before they started hitting > the falling point of the curve for bandwidth cost. Because I initially > doubled our $200 cost to say that bandwidth, per megabit, costs us > $400/m, we're comfortably padded. > ** > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Gerstenberger" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > > >> We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through >> Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage >> I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms >> of >> service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other >> WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what >>
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
I have a question along this line (kind of) I am wanting to do this as well but our town is VERY full of lots of Trees. I am 100% MT AP's. Does the MT Mesh work does others use it for this kind of thing? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) The patrol cars using our network use cisco cards with two rubber duckies and two Hawking amps. The antennas are installed on either end of a 2"h x 3" d x 4"w plastic kit enclosure sitting on the dash. They can go 60mph down the boulevard and not lose a packet. While this works, I would not have done it this way. I would have used a magenetic rooftop antenna with an amp (to deal with the cable loss) and made the car function as a mobile WDS access point. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
The patrol cars using our network use cisco cards with two rubber duckies and two Hawking amps. The antennas are installed on either end of a 2"h x 3" d x 4"w plastic kit enclosure sitting on the dash. They can go 60mph down the boulevard and not lose a packet. While this works, I would not have done it this way. I would have used a magenetic rooftop antenna with an amp (to deal with the cable loss) and made the car function as a mobile WDS access point. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.or
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. That's average, including servers and high end business customers. Someday I'll count the businesses different from the residential :-). We give 10 gigs per month and charge $5 per gig for overages. We've lost a few customers due to this, but nearly all of them want to run file sharing servers and/or run netflix. In short, the ones we're loosing cost more than they are paying us. The good news is that the other 95% of the customer base get GREAT service at a reasonable price and are very happy. We also catch a LOT of infected machines or open wifi routers this way. Most customers appreciate that we're watching out for them. marlon - Original Message - From: "Paul Gerstenberger" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through > Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage > I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of > service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other > WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what > penalties or deterrents are used. > > -Paul > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
We use Powercode to shape bandwidth and to track bandwidth usage, and when the customer goes over the limit, they are throttled down very hard, like 64k. Powercode has a Customer Portal feature that lets them login and check their usage any time they want. Also, they can set up daily emails from their Portal so that they can get an email each day about their monthly usage. We have about 20 customers that do this. Took us a while to get the Powercode system to work, and it's still not 100%, but I would say that putting in these usage thresholds and tracking has helped us identify who our heavy users are and to deal with them appropriately. Doing this has generated about $500/mo in additional revenue as customers move up to higher speed packages with higher monthly limits. Business clients, at this time, are handled differently. We don't currently have bandwidth limits on them. May in the future. Generally, though... abusers are home users. Keep in mind that our niche is rural, not competing "in town" very much. We have higher bandwidth packages with higher usage thresholds. I asked for a refresher about how we determined what our thresholds should be from our network engineer this morning. This is his response. In looking at it, figure that we are actually paying $45 per megabit, not $200. The $200 per megabit figure comes in with the cost of doing business (personnel, backhauls, maintenance, etc, and is an estimate of actual cost on what it takes to DELIVER bandwidth to a customer, not just PAY for bandwidth ourselves). Justin's response: ** If you remember, the way I did it was this. I asked you to come up with a raw figure, in dollars/month, that our bandwidth costs us - i.e. the price point at which you could sell bandwidth wholesale and guarantee that we would still make a profit, even if it was fully saturated 24 hours a day (excluding factors such as backhaul saturation). You gave me a figure of about $200 per megabit. I fully doubled that to $400 per megabit, and started from there. I took the amount of maximum theoretical bandwidth a 1.5Mb customer could consume in a given month, if they were somehow able to use it for 24 hours straight. I did the same for our base rate of 1Mbp/s @ $400. I then compared the "difference" in value, and chose a MB figure that was at about 50% of what our actual "cost" would be as the maximum amount of bandwidth allowed. Example. A "$400/m" 1Mbps customer "resold" could theoretically consume 10.8GB/day or about 330GB/month A $49/m 1.5Mbps customer could theoretically consume 16.2GB/day or 494GB/month I then determined what the equivalent maximum amount of bandwidth we would be reselling a normal customer to if they were paying only $49 per month, which is a lot easier - you just take our profit figure of $400/m and divide it by $49 to get roughly 4, so 1/4th of 1.5Mbps which is just about 384kbps. Then I determined what is the maximum amount of bandwidth a 384kbps customer could consume. You get about 1.44Gb per day, or about 44GB/month. I knocked off a further 10% to give us a nice round ceiling, producing a final figure of 40GB/month for a 1.5Mbps customer as the maximum bandwidth they could be allowed to consume before they started hitting the falling point of the curve for bandwidth cost. Because I initially doubled our $200 cost to say that bandwidth, per megabit, costs us $400/m, we're comfortably padded. ** - Original Message - From: "Paul Gerstenberger" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties > We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through > Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage > I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of > service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other > WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what > penalties or deterrents are used. > > -Paul > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
We've got some pretty cool MT radios set up for this. Mag Mount Mobile Mark antennas with lmr240 pig tails. Butch did the rest for us. As far as I know it works really well and required NO new infrastructure on our side. marlon - Original Message - From: "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
From what I have seen 4.9 mobile is very expensive. It's been a few years since I prices it. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 9:59 AM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" wrote: > So is the general consensus to use 2.4Ghz instead of 4.9Ghz? > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > (918) 235-0414 > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential > and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- > mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this > information by a person other than the intended recipient is > unauthorized and may be illegal. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use > a different external connector with a different antenna? > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble >> with the >> antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. >> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the >> mess >> totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install >> an SMA >> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. >> Depending on >> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing >> this on a >> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just >> with the >> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small >> town) >> >> >> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to >> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put >> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont >> tar & >> feather for poor relaibility! >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > > >> wrote: >>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >>> >>> And here is why.. >>> >>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express >>> card. >>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the >>> old >>> Toshiba to use the thing >>> >>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, >>> use to >>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to >>> a MMCX >>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires >>> though. >>> >>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops >>> to an >>> SMA >>> conector I installed in the laptop. >>> >>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to >>> put a >>> big >>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The >>> bonus is >>> that >>> it's cheaper to go that route. >>> >>> So it sits in the toolbox. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small >>> town) >>> >>> >>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism >>> wrote: I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day in and day out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" wrote: > We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for > mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has > successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice > to > start. > > Thanks > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > (918) 235-0414 > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain > confidential > and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete > this e- > mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this > information by a person other than the intended recipient is > unauthorized and may be illegal. > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- >
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
Yep, that's what I tried to do. If the laptop is to be stationary in the vehicle it wouldn't be an issue. But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd probably need the express card instead. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
yeah, turn your power WAYYY down! That'll give you a -51 signal at 4 miles. You only need a -65 to get top speed with high availability. You'd even do well with -70. Not sure if you can turn the cards down to 10dB or not but that's about all you'll need for output. I'd set the noise floor to a -75 or -80 too. marlon - Original Message - From: "Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
What about the SR4C and what AP would be best suited to pair with it? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) So is the general consensus to use 2.4Ghz instead of 4.9Ghz? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential
[WISPA] Overage thresholds and penalties
We have about 15% of our existing subscribers running PPPoE through Mikrotik now, using the User Manager package. I'm astounded by the usage I'm seeing from some accounts. We do cite "acceptable use" in our terms of service, but we've rarely enforced it. I'm curious what approach other WISPs take: how you determine your own acceptable use thresholds and what penalties or deterrents are used. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
LOL There certainly are days like that Scottie. We've now got a network that's REALLY reliable. We do have some trouble when the ground gets wet (long links too low) but other than that our service calls have gone WAY down. It took a long time to get there but we're making money now. Just had our best (financially) year ever. I rarely miss any of my kids events. Day time games etc. included. Yeah I am getting tired of the constant on call thing. People getting mad at me cause I won't/can't help them with their computer virus problems etc. But, so far, today will be a down day for me. I'll spend a couple of hours on email and then go do what I want to do. I'll not loose a dime of income because I'm going to be out screwing off. How cool is that? marlon - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as > possible. > > Scottie > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700 > >>LOL This should be good. >> >>Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. >> >>First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. >> >>WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? >> >>In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? >> >>What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what >>kind) >>etc.? >> >>What services do you wish to offer? Best effort DSL grade, Leased line >>replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.? >> >>What kind of a budget do you have? $500, $5000, $50,000? >> >>Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you >>need >>web, mail and billing systems etc.)? >> >>Lets start with that. >>marlon >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Liam Cummings" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM >>Subject: [WISPA] New WISP >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying >>> to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. >>> >>> 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate >>> >>> 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment >>> >>> >>> >>> We would love to here your thoughts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any input would be much appreciated! :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >>WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >>WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>--- >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as > $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
So is the general consensus to use 2.4Ghz instead of 4.9Ghz? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> --
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Your time is usually MUCH better spent interfacing with your customers. Doing sales work. Local tech work etc. You should do the things that can't be done remotely. marlon - Original Message - From: "Liam Cummings" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > That's what I say. I just don't want to pay someone to write code when if > I spend a little time researching I can usually find a product that > already does what I need. We already provide network monitoring and other > services of this type to clients so shouldn't be a problem on the wisp > side of things. :) > Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry > > - Original Message - > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com ; WISPA General > List > Sent: Tue Apr 27 17:32:34 2010 > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > Coding != networking :) > > On 4/27/10, Larry Yunker wrote: >> For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain >> level of technical expertise and probably a "coder". >> >> Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect >> it >> to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to >> need >> someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and >> that >> will look a lot like "coding". >> >> Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, >> network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some "coding". >> Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these >> aspects of WISP operation. >> >> Regards, >> Larry Yunker >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Liam Cummings >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] New WISP >> >> Hi all, >> >> We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying >> to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. >> >> 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate >> >> 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment >> >> >> >> We would love to here your thoughts. >> >> >> >> Any input would be much appreciated! :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Or, hire any two of the dozens of consultants out there that do this work. I still don't know how to do routing and I've been an ISP for 15 years. Routing is one of those things that is pretty easy to hire out. All I have to do is be good enough to get a device onto the internet in the first place. The trick seems to be finding guys that are good at what they do AND aren't so buried that they can't get to you. laters, \marlon - Original Message - From: "Larry Yunker" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain > level of technical expertise and probably a "coder". > > Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect > it > to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need > someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that > will look a lot like "coding". > > Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, > network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some "coding". > Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these > aspects of WISP operation. > > Regards, > Larry Yunker > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Liam Cummings > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] New WISP > > Hi all, > > We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying > to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. > > 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate > > 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment > > > > We would love to here your thoughts. > > > > Any input would be much appreciated! :-) > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
- Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP >Good water tight box, $200+. The ones from Tessco are 60-100 mks: Cool. I'll have to look at them. Do they include a backing plate pre-drilled for the MT boards? >Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). I buy premade LMR400 and a N female bulkhead, I'd say $15 or 20 total mks: I buy premade jumpers nowadays too. But I spec the premium Times Microwave ends. Stainless steel and copper/brass that way, no aluminum outer or inner connectors. Same for the bulkhead connectors, I use only the o-ring ones made of stainless not aluminum. >MT 433 AH board, $100ish I only use one ethernet port and wireless card, 411ah for me. mks: If you don't do much on the box or have many customers at a site that's probably OK. I buy the units with more horsepower anyway. Never can have too much memory as far as I'm concerned :-). >XR2 card $100 ish I actually have never used the XR2 for this - only the compex cards... mks: They seem to work very similarly. I kinda think they use the same RF components. >Pigtail, $15 to $25 >Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. >Battery backup $100+ I typically just use a Staples cheap one mks: I use mainly APC brand. At tower sites I'll usually run a 350 or 500 version. They may be a bit less than $100. At sites with 4 or more radios I'll usually run a 1000 or bigger though. mks: I'm toying with the idea of running all sites off of deep cycle 12vdc batteries though. Probably optima units. $200+++ for them but they should last a LONG time. Both from a voltage output standpoint and uptime if the power goes out. Just put a decent quality 12 volt charger maintainer on them Still thinking this one through. I'm also getting close to powering all of the servers that way. They make 12v power supplies for them. http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm Little spendy though But how cool would it be to have days of backup power and NO chance of bad power getting to the servers? mks: The biggest problem I've run into with the APC backup units is that they only trickle charge. If the power goes out you can't charge the batteries back up with a 30 minute or 1 hour hit with a generator. I ran into a problem with this two winters ago. The power went off and on for 2 weeks due to freezing fog that just wouldn't go away. Powerlines, trees, phone lines etc. all kept hitting the ground. With two generators I just couldn't keep the towers up and running long enough to keep the backups charged. It was a major PITA and I finally just had to give up and wait for the power to come back online. I'm going to start picking up more generators every year or two. Might be cheaper to put in better power in the first place though :-). >Ethernet switch $50 to $100 I've used the cheapest switches from Wintronic that are $25/$35 for 5/8 ports and I've had only a few bad (2 that I can think of). mks: Yeah, bad ports happen. Even on good switches. Out here lightning whacks a few every year. I've found that the ones with a metal case hold up better than the plastic ones. >Backhaul to the tower, $200+ I thought this was a repeater from a customer SM? mks: I do a lot of that too. It certainly helps shave costs. MY cost on a CPE install is over $200 anyway. I know it can be done for less. I'm still addicted to my Tranzeo CPE though :-). Don't forget to count the arm, cable, staples, screws, cost of a drill, labor (even if it's you) etc. 1001 ways to skin a cat :-D marlon Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Mike wrote: > Marlon: > > I am very interested in your "no more taping" bulkhead connector. Do you > mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? > > Friendly Regards, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. > > I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to > build > > one. > > Good water tight box, $200+. > > Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the > cheap > junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). > > MT 433 AH board, $100ish > > XR2 card $100 ish > > Pigtail, $15 to $25 > > Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new > radio) $15 to $25 for the go
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........
MTI is the shizz for this. MTI will give much better coverage than a superpass, more than enough coverage to be worth the extra money. The MTI's radiating/listening pattern is pretty neat too, whereas the Superpass will be kinda like a lopsided omni. The pac-wireless hoz 900 sectors are actually good too in terms of operation. Their fiberglassing isn't quite as good as MTI's covering though. Superpass is a step up over a $100 omni, but it's not functionally competitive for sectors. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 09:02:10PM -0400, Robert West wrote: > I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector > antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because > I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if > it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new > install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path > but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. > > I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap > SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality > if it's deserved. > > Thanks. > > Bob- > > The cheap SOB > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I NEVER run high gain omni antennas. And I NEVER run cheapo antennas. Not anymore. They cost too much when you have to change them out or when the performance is flaky. Water in an antenna is really hard to figure out. Crazy antennas are even worse. The problem with a high gain omni antenna is that it's vertical pattern is what, 8*? Maybe less. And they actually tend to UPtilt a bit. (look at the patterns, not the calculated ones but tested ones, be sure to ask which they are giving you..) So lets say you have an antenna with a 4* (best case) pattern headed down to the ground located at 100' up. Your signal doesn't hit the ground till 1400 feet out. And HALF of your energy never ever will hit the ground. Probably more than half. They cost a bit more but I use the Maxrad antennas with the electrical downtilt. 8dB omni antennas will allow 24dB of radio output while remaining legal EIRP wise and you can get 4 or 8* downtilt so more of the energy goes where you need it to go. These days I tend to buy more Andrew (or whatever they are these days) or RadioWaves antennas. I used to use Pac Wireless (still use the 2' grids for 5.8 though), Arc Wireless, SuperPass and a few others. If it's hard to get to the connector to weather seal, has a crappy mount or has cracked, leaked etc. I don't use them anymore. It's just too expensive in downtime, reputation, troubleshooting etc. I also only use the 433AH boards. They have more memory and processor power as I understand it. Could be wrong on that one though. I do know that the 433 boards I've gotten do NOT have the AP mode in them. I've liked the xr cards a lot so far. Been looking at the cards from Readylink (old Compex) and so far I'm liking them too. They have a bigger heat sink on them and are a bit cheaper. I'm still running and stocking both though. We'll see if there is any difference in storm season Chuck, what do you sell folks for a box to mount it all in? I don't see one there. OR is that the DCE? If so, what size is that box? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck Hogg" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > For small repeater sites (less than 40 subs) we'll do the following: > > These our QLW prices without special discounts: > RB/433 : $76 > XR2: $99 > XR5: $99 > DCE: $45 > Pigtail: $11.50 x2 > NM-NM Jumper: $18.50 x 2 > 2.4Ghz x12dB Omni: $70 > RJ45-ECS: $6.60 > ARC 5823 Panel: 43 > ~$500 + s/h > > 100' Cat5 run at $.17/ft = $17. > Total: ~$517 > > So for just over $500 you can do it pretty easily. > > Now..do it Ubiquiti style... > > B5: $59 > B2: $39 > ARC5823: $43 > POE: $11 x 2 > OD24 Omni: $70 > ~$265 > 2 x 100' Cat5 runs = $34 > Total ~$300 > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. > > I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to > build one. > > Good water tight box, $200+. > > Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the > cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). > > MT 433 AH board, $100ish > > XR2 card $100 ish > > Pigtail, $15 to $25 > > Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new > radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless > construction. > > Battery backup $100+ > > Ethernet switch $50 to $100 > > Backhaul to the tower, $200+ > > Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ > > I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost > of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working > a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done > that. > > As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. > Marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > > All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV > tower, > grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, > cheap > battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo > it > takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically > charge > 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third > screen > I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Sc
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
Hey! Just who I was looking for..! Can we get comment about your new Canadian overlords? Can you hit me off-list (or on-list) regarding pricing for Aperto 3.65 APs? ryan On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by > further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the > "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some > deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it > and hit the "delete" key. > > > Patrick Leary > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Patrick is vocal! Aperto Fun. (was something or other about something...)
Replying to my own thread 'cause I forgot to kill the last one. ryan On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: > Hey! Just who I was looking for..! > > Can we get comment about your new Canadian overlords? > > Can you hit me off-list (or on-list) regarding pricing for Aperto 3.65 APs? > > ryan > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> >> Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by >> further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the >> "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some >> deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it >> and hit the "delete" key. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I do have to tape the outside connections Mike. But instead of running a pigtail with a bulkhead connector I run an n-f/f bulkhead connector and n-m pigtials. Gotta tape up the antenna connection ONCE. After that, if you change out the radios etc. and need a different pigtail just unscrew the pigtail and your golden. I also run boxes quite a bit bigger than I need. 1'x1'x2" or so. That way I've got a lot of room to move things around, use different boards etc. My *plan* is to not have to change out the boxes anymore. One of the nicest things I've found in a long time is the Pac Wireless pass-through ethernet grip tight. Not the goofy one that requires a screwdriver or little kid to release the tab on the connector. The one that allows the whole cat5 cable to fit through with the connector already on it. Very nice design. Lastly I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. Instead of a gel it has a paperish wrapping around the wires that somehow expands and seals things when /if it gets wet. This cable is a LOT easier to deal with than the old fashioned grease filled ones! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > Marlon: > > I am very interested in your "no more taping" bulkhead connector. Do you > mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? > > Friendly Regards, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. > > I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to > build > > one. > > Good water tight box, $200+. > > Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the > cheap > junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). > > MT 433 AH board, $100ish > > XR2 card $100 ish > > Pigtail, $15 to $25 > > Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new > radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless > construction. > > Battery backup $100+ > > Ethernet switch $50 to $100 > > Backhaul to the tower, $200+ > > Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ > > I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost > of > a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot > harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. > > As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. > Marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP > > > All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV > tower, > grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap > battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo > it > takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge > 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third > screen > I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > wrote: > >> 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! >> >> I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with >> 3 >> to 5 subs on them :-( ). >> >> I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them >> like >> that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in >> 2.4. >> >> For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top >> of >> the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still >> rather >> go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's >> performance. >> >> For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell >> it >> at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. >> >> Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Josh Luthman" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP >> >> >> Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. >> No >> more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue >> that counts." >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 a
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
I remember those days Pat. You're too quiet now :) On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by > further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the > "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some > deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it > and hit the "delete" key. > > > Patrick Leary > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
Its true. The IT guy said all they do is complain about Sprint. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > They may do that anyway. I have been dealing with different aspects of > law enforcement for years and it seems like they are never happy. Then > you have the officers that will not want the stuff in their cars to > start with. Somehow that will be your fault to. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: > >> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to >> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put >> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & >> feather for poor relaibility! >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > > wrote: >>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >>> >>> And here is why.. >>> >>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express >>> card. >>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the >>> old >>> Toshiba to use the thing >>> >>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, >>> use to >>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to >>> a MMCX >>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of >>> wires though. >>> >>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops >>> to an SMA >>> conector I installed in the laptop. >>> >>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to >>> put a big >>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The >>> bonus is that >>> it's cheaper to go that route. >>> >>> So it sits in the toolbox. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small >>> town) >>> >>> >>> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism >>> wrote: I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day in and day out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" wrote: > We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for > mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has > successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to > start. > > Thanks > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > Computer Network Solutions > CSWEB.NET Internet Services > IT Manager > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com > http://www.csweb.net > (918) 235-0414 > > > Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential > and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, > please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete > this e- > mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this > information by a person other than the intended recipient is > unauthorized and may be illegal. > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> -
Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use a different external connector with a different antenna? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West wrote: > I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with the > antenna and cable hanging off the thing. It really IS a messy setup. > Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess > totally goes away. If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an SMA > connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card. Depending on > AP placememt, it should talk to them fine. I'm actually typing this on a > laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with the > internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house. > > Bob- > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) > > > I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to > poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put > AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar & > feather for poor relaibility! > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West > wrote: >> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it >> >> And here is why.. >> >> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card. >> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old >> Toshiba to use the thing >> >> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to >> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a MMCX >> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires though. >> >> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an >> SMA >> conector I installed in the laptop. >> >> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a >> big >> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is >> that >> it's cheaper to go that route. >> >> So it sits in the toolbox. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town) >> >> >> Has or does anyone use the Ubiquiti solution for this? http://ubnt.com/src >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: >>> I have 100 police car deployment using alvarion that roams over >>> multiple towers with static IP addresses. Expensive but it works day >>> in and day out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, "Patrick D. Nix, Jr" >>> >> > wrote: >>> We are working on a project for a small town in rural Oklahoma for mobile broadband in 7 police units. Would anyone that has successfully completed such a project mind giving us some advice to start. Thanks Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e- mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
Ladies and gentlemen, Can we please simply flush this thread? Nothing is to be gained by further postingtake it from one who used to all too often hit the "send" when I should have instead left a post as a draft, taken some deep breaths, maybe played with my kids for a bit, then come back to it and hit the "delete" key. Patrick Leary WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
