Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 23:54 -0400, Robert West wrote: 
> Now this is on a nat'd network.  I don't seem to be able to ping any of the
> remote clients but I can ping the MT ports.  Are the lan clients isolated
> somehow by default?  Do I need to do something with forward or with a
> hammer?

I can see that I need to finish my blog article on proxy arp...Here's a
(very quick) summary:

1. If you assign PPtP users with an IP in the SAME subnet as the LAN,
then you need proxy-arp turned on on the LAN interface.

2. If you assign PPtP users with an IP that is NOT in the same subnet as
the LAN, then you do NOT need proxy arp at all.


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Maybe masquerade them?

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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Robert West
 wrote:
> Now this is on a nat'd network.  I don't seem to be able to ping any of the
> remote clients but I can ping the MT ports.  Are the lan clients isolated
> somehow by default?  Do I need to do something with forward or with a
> hammer?
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Nick Olsen
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?
>
> Its all about the IP you give the client.
> I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work.
> Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24 This is the configuration
> of a ppp client that has access to the internal colo servers
>
> add caller-id="" comment="" disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0
> local-address=\
>    1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption
> remote-address=\
>    1.1.1.51 routes="" service=any
>
> Profile is this
>
> set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment="" name=\
>    default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default
> use-encryption=yes \
>    use-vj-compression=default
>
> Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo switch.
>
> Should work :D but no promises.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
> 
>
> From: "Robert West" 
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?
>
> Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.
> NO
> LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
> network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?
>
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Now this is on a nat'd network.  I don't seem to be able to ping any of the
remote clients but I can ping the MT ports.  Are the lan clients isolated
somehow by default?  Do I need to do something with forward or with a
hammer?

Bob-




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Its all about the IP you give the client.
I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work.
Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24 This is the configuration
of a ppp client that has access to the internal colo servers

add caller-id="" comment="" disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0
local-address=\
1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption
remote-address=\
1.1.1.51 routes="" service=any

Profile is this

set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment="" name=\
default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default
use-encryption=yes \
use-vj-compression=default

Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo switch.

Should work :D but no promises.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.  
NO
LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?  

Bob-



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Josh Luthman
>From Windows to MT server...

Enable pptp server

Add a secret with user, passwd and remote/local IPs.

On 5/31/10, Nick Olsen  wrote:
> Its all about the IP you give the client.
> I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work.
> Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24
> This is the configuration of a ppp client that has access to the internal
> colo servers
>
> add caller-id="" comment="" disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0
> local-address=\
> 1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption
> remote-address=\
> 1.1.1.51 routes="" service=any
>
> Profile is this
>
> set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment="" name=\
> default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default
> use-encryption=yes \
> use-vj-compression=default
>
> Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo
> switch.
>
> Should work :D but no promises.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
> 
>
> From: "Robert West" 
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?
>
> Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.
> NO
> LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
> network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?
>
> Bob-
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Yeah, I was screwing around with the proxy-arp but her mom showed up.  

I'll try it again.

Bob-



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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Make sure you set the interface you are trying to see stuff on to to
proxy-arp.

Cameron

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Robert West
wrote:

> Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 
> Beta.  NO LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything 
> on the remote network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?
>
>
>
>
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Thanks!  I'll give that a whirl

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Its all about the IP you give the client.
I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work.
Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24 This is the configuration
of a ppp client that has access to the internal colo servers

add caller-id="" comment="" disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0
local-address=\
1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption
remote-address=\
1.1.1.51 routes="" service=any

Profile is this

set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment="" name=\
default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default
use-encryption=yes \
use-vj-compression=default

Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo switch.

Should work :D but no promises.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.  
NO
LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?  

Bob-



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Nick Olsen
Its all about the IP you give the client.
I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work.
Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24
This is the configuration of a ppp client that has access to the internal 
colo servers

add caller-id="" comment="" disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0 
local-address=\
1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption 
remote-address=\
1.1.1.51 routes="" service=any

Profile is this

set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment="" name=\
default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default 
use-encryption=yes \
use-vj-compression=default

Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo 
switch.

Should work :D but no promises.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.  
NO
LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?  

Bob-



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Cameron Crum
Make sure you set the interface you are trying to see stuff on to to
proxy-arp.

Cameron

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.  NO
> LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
> network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?
>
>
>
>
> Bob-
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>
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[WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta.  NO
LUCK!  I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote
network.  Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works?  

 


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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Mike
Didn't Admiral Hopper coin the term "computer bug?"

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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Well we can all sing Amazing Grace now can't we? :)

(Grace Murray Hopper)

On 5/31/2010 1:22 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
> common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before
it's
> lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
> the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
> number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
> probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
> components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
> spider.
> 
>  
> 
> Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!
> 
>  
> 
> Bob-
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
Well we can all sing Amazing Grace now can't we? :)

(Grace Murray Hopper)

On 5/31/2010 1:22 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
> common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
> lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
> the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
> number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
> probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
> components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
> spider.
> 
>  
> 
> Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!
> 
>  
> 
> Bob-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
It's the World-Wide-Web...gonna getcha every time.
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:23 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before
it's lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin,
open the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in
port number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in
somehow, probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting
fried components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now
dead, spider.

 

Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!

 

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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Only of me and my father in a thong.  It was a holiday..  I can
send ya a few if ya want.

Bob-


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No pictures?

Happy to see all is good!

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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure 
> the common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits 
> before it's lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the 
> grain bin, open the box  one of those spiders that make the tube 
> web..  Living in port number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema 
> box but he got in somehow, probably snuck in when I had it open last 
> time.  I was expecting fried components due to all the lightning but 
> it was all due to one, now dead, spider.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Charlotte was a nice spider.  This was a mean, nasty looking black with
white spots kinda spider and actually reared up like he (Or she, who can
tell)  was gonna put me down.

Spider fail.


Outlook 2010 sucks by the way..

Bob-



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Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Wilbur, you didn't squash Charlotte did you?

"What do you mean less than nothing? I don't think there is any such thing
as less than nothing. Nothing is absolutely the limit of nothingness. It's
the lowest you can go. It's the end of the line. How can something be less
than nothing? If there were something that was less than nothing, then
nothing would not be nothing, it would be something - even though it's just
a very little bit of something. But if nothing is nothing, then nothing has
nothing that is less than it is."

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
 
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:23 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
spider.

 

Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!

 

Bob-

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Mike
Wilbur, you didn't squash Charlotte did you?

"What do you mean less than nothing? I don't think there is any such thing
as less than nothing. Nothing is absolutely the limit of nothingness. It's
the lowest you can go. It's the end of the line. How can something be less
than nothing? If there were something that was less than nothing, then
nothing would not be nothing, it would be something - even though it's just
a very little bit of something. But if nothing is nothing, then nothing has
nothing that is less than it is."

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
 
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:23 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
spider.

 

Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!

 

Bob-

 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Jeremie Chism
That reminds me of the wasp story someone told here.

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On May 31, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

> true debugging
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> Greg
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> On May 31, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Robert West wrote:
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>> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I  
>> figure the
>> common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits  
>> before it's
>> lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain  
>> bin, open
>> the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living  
>> in port
>> number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in  
>> somehow,
>> probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting  
>> fried
>> components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now  
>> dead,
>> spider.
>>
>>
>>
>> Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn  
>> spider!
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Greg Ihnen
true debugging

Greg

On May 31, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
> common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
> lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
> the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
> number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
> probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
> components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
> spider.
> 
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> Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!
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Re: [WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Josh Luthman
No pictures?

Happy to see all is good!

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On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
> common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
> lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
> the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
> number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
> probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
> components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
> spider.
>
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> Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!
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[WISPA] Spider takes down switch. I take down spider.

2010-05-31 Thread Robert West
Had a storm last night, woke up, part of the network down.  I figure the
common connection there is a 5 port switch the good section hits before it's
lost.  I go out with a replacement switch, climb up on the grain bin, open
the box  one of those spiders that make the tube web..  Living in port
number 4.  Somehow messed up the switch.  Nema box but he got in somehow,
probably snuck in when I had it open last time.  I was expecting fried
components due to all the lightning but it was all due to one, now dead,
spider.

 

Replaced the switch anyhow, got it home and it works fine.  Damn spider!

 

Bob-

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband

2010-05-31 Thread Tom DeReggi

> Tom:   There no reason on earth that the exception must create the rule.
> If Alaska wants subsidized phone service, then Alaska can frankly do it on
> its own.Any objections?   Having been to Alaska, a few parts of it, 
> and
> observed the function of the incumbent telco, I have completely ZERO
> sympathy for anyone who says that GCI, et al, is desperately in need of
> massive federal bailouts/subsidies/funding.   They have complete
> monopolistic control of just about every byte of TCP/IP traffic, every 
> phone
> call, and every text message in the vast majority of the state, a position
> beaurocratically ensured for the next eon, by many factors. There is 
> no
> reason on earth to use Alaska as a template for tax, communications, or 
> any
> other policy anywhere else in the other 48 states.
>
Allthough those arguements can be made, none-the-less, I'd recommend 
speaking to an Alaskan Congressman, and man will you get a convincing story 
telling you other wise.
And they are good at telling their soapbox story. Resistane will be found 
here, and the politics to follow. Thats all I'm really saying.

> 3) Rural America needs better mobile phone coverage. Subsidees are needed,
>
> Sure.   Let's let the market do it.Want to know how?   I have the
> perfect idea, and NO subsidy is needed at all... AT ALL.Keep reading.

Although I'm for the market to work it out, after all I live in an areas 
where the market is strong,
But again there will be resistence to "just let the market work it out", for 
one reason.
The topic (communication) is to important for anything but a success, and 
that needs to be guaranteed, for the good of the nation.
Whether money is misused or overspent is a secondary concern.  At the end of 
the day it comes down to America is only as strong as its weakest link, and 
when all states in America are at their strongest, America as a whole will 
be stronger. Thats the whole foundation of being a united 50 state America. 
A strong state can help a weak state on one topic and vice versa on another. 
For example, what if the Rural Western/Central States said, "we have plenty 
of food, but its ours, if the East coast Urban cities want to eat, they'll 
need to build their own farms"? (actually, we have our own farms, this was 
jsut a hypthothetical example).  Many Western/Cemtral Farms are subsidized, 
to guarantee Food will never be a shortage. Following the arguements to 
disband USF, would one equally have the opinion that Farms should no longer 
be subsidized, and if food ran out, oh well, tough luck?

It wont be hard to gain acceptance to disband USF for arguements like  "its 
a broken system, outdated system, and there is now a better way", and 
proving that.
But I dont think we'll ever gain acceptance of an arguement similar to  "let 
them take care of their own problem, or leave them on their own at the mercy 
of the market."


>> a
>> fund that already exists and does not come from WISP's pcoket, where will
>> it
>> come from. If mobile is needed, something needs to pay for it. Will 
>> future
>
> It isn't needed.Frankly, if we could have some 600 or 700 mhz slices 
> of
> spectrum, with appropriate rules for some channels set aside for the
> purpose, we could deploy our own version of "cellular" in small towns

Thats the golden issue isn't it. In my young twentie, I used to say, "If I 
could just live 6 months rent free, I could save my money, and then start a 
company that would enable me to have a higher fair income, and I'd be able 
to get out of the pay check to paycheck debt struggle. Thing is... rent 
wasn't  free.  There is a cost associated with housing and its a resource in 
demand controlled by the marklet. I had to face reality, rent isn't free. 
Its the same thing with wireless, spectrum is a valued resource in short 
suply, Spectrum isn't free.

With that said, we might have that choice anyways. If TV Whitesacpe finally 
gets released to WISPs, that valuable resource will be free to us. It will 
be a science project, for the feds to learn if when Spectrum is available 
does it really enable investment in deployment.

The other arguement with spectrum is that it does exist. For example, 2.5Ghz 
exists all over the country.  Who's faught is it if we were not insightfull 
enough to buy it, when it could be had at the right price, out of auction? I 
know for a fact some cases where Sprint leased the spectrum licesnes from 
schools (that owned it) in rural towns for as little as $2000 total for the 
license period. Not having spectrum will not be a good defense. The answer 
would just be to give the money and aid to the companies that already have 
the spectrum and resources to more optimally succeed.  Then the problem 
would be cured, just not by us. As well, the principle behind auctions is 
taht items will be sold for their true worth, what someone is willing to pay 
for it. People ar willing to pay a price because they calculate they can get 
a retu