[WISPA] Lightening protection

[Jeremie Chism]

I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
static.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Robert West]

Grounding.  It's my best friend.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
static.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Mark Dueck]

I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
(caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
goes directly into the limestone.

Any suggestions?

On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
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> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
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> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Patrick Wheeland]

Is you tower ground tied to your utility ground?
 
-Patrick 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tue 7/27/2010 10:18 AM
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I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
(caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
goes directly into the limestone.

Any suggestions?

On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Mike]

Many times a mesh, or series of radials radiating from the tower will help.
Also, sufficiently deep ground wells can be dug and bronze rods driven.
Calcium chloride in and around the ground rods/wells will also increase soil
conductivity.  Make sure you don't have any ground loops in the system, or
grounding tied to different points that create a potential.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
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Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
(caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
goes directly into the limestone.

Any suggestions?

On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Mike]

Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at
least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Dueck
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
(caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
goes directly into the limestone.

Any suggestions?

On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>
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[WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Mike Hammett]

  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at 
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are 
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

Nighthawk nh100, uses the paging system.

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Cameron Crum]

nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but
they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are
paperweights.

Cameron

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Paul Gerstenberger]

We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 65ft 
poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

-Paul

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:

> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> 
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

Worked for me two weeks ago.

On Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but
they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are
paperweights.

Cameron



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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
to put up our own.

Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

>-Paul
>
>On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>
> > A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Gino Villarini]

If anyone is interested, I got 6 nighthawk units brand new willing to
part with very easely(cheap)

 

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787.273.4143



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

 

Worked for me two weeks ago.

On Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM, "Cameron Crum" 
wrote:

nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still
have a few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my
units...now they are paperweights.

Cameron



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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Matt]

>>We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
>>65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
>
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> to put up our own.
>
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

I am guessing what he meant is they put the wireless gear on a
seperate pole from the electrical.  Being electric COOP its likely
easy for them to drop poles in just for it.  If you colocate on actual
electric poles you must be so many feet below the high voltage lines.
I think you must be certified for your person to come within so many
feet of the high voltage as well.  AFAIK.

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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Greg Ihnen]

Where I'm from the telco and cable co bring their service to the customer's 
house and then they continue down (or up if it's underground) the outside of 
the exterior wall down to a few feet above ground, and then put their grounding 
block or protector on the wall and run a ground wire down to a ground rod. From 
there the service continues on into the customer's house. Maybe that would be a 
good way to do it.

Greg

On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
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> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
> 
> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Greg Ihnen]

I know in some difficult to ground regions instead of ground rods they use a 
grounding system laid in the cement foundation and ground floor of new 
construction. It's reportedly very effective even in arid locations because the 
cement tends to store and release water keeping the surrounding ground moist. 
The system has a name but it escapes me.

Greg

On Jul 27, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:

> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
> 
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>> static.
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>> 
>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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[WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

[Chuck Hogg]

We are in the midst of purchasing a company, and they have quite a few
Crown leases.  We want to renegotiate those leases to add additional
antennas.  Unfortunately, these guys are paying $2/ft/antenna so some of
them are extremely expensive with 5 antennas at 150'+.  Have any of you
gone thru the process of renegotiating the tower leases?  The terms
don't end for a few more years unfortunately.

 

Regards,

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Shelby Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

[Josh Luthman]

We have. Never with Crown Castle. Just the usual business of negotiating.

On Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

We are in the midst of purchasing a company, and they have quite a few Crown
leases.  We want to renegotiate those leases to add additional antennas.
Unfortunately, these guys are paying $2/ft/antenna so some of them are
extremely expensive with 5 antennas at 150’+.  Have any of you gone thru the
process of renegotiating the tower leases?  The terms don’t end for a few
more years unfortunately.



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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Mike Hammett]

 They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to 
them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing 
down in some areas due to the economy.


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On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a 
few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my 
units...now they are paperweights.


Cameron

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


 What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

Makes sense. Anyone remember the paging system they use? American something
I think...

On Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

 They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to
them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in
some areas due to the economy.



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On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
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> nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I...




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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a 
month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone 
signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.


On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to 
them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing 
down in some areas due to the economy.

-
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http://www.ics-il.com

   


On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a 
few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my 
units...now they are paperweights.


Cameron

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


 What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

--


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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no features or
usage from three large telcos around here.

On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark"  wrote:

 Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a
month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone signaling
in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.


On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Ryan Spott]

$200 bucks and a prepaid SIM card?



ryan

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to
> them.  They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in
> some areas due to the economy.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few,
> but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are
> paperweights.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>>  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Scott Lambert]

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:08:52PM -0430, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> I know in some difficult to ground regions instead of ground rods
> they use a grounding system laid in the cement foundation and ground
> floor of new construction. It's reportedly very effective even in arid
> locations because the cement tends to store and release water keeping
> the surrounding ground moist. The system has a name but it escapes me.
>
> Greg

Ufer ground.

http://www.psihq.com/iread/ufergrnd.htm

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[WISPA] Bandwidth Monitoring

[Carl Shivers]

Matt Larson demonstrated some software that he had created to monitor the
Byte throughput on his customers. He then developed packages accordingly.  I
understand that some others are using various softwares to do the same
thing. Someone mentioned Win Pcap and someone else mentioned Netflow. 

 

I have a feeling that I'm experiencing some of the 80 / 20 problem myself
and would like to get something going. Can someone(s) point me in the right
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Chuck Profito]

http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html

This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
how long the batteries will last.


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209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at 
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are 
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Brad Belton]

Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the MikroTik
router is very handy.

We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we like
to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else seeing
similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a great
value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...

Best,



Brad


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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html

This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
how long the batteries will last.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com  
Providing Broadband Internet Access to 
California's Rural Central Valley


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Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

  What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at 
WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are 
cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about 
$10-$12 minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last time I 
checked total was about $15-$20 including fees.


On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no 
features or usage from three large telcos around here.


On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark" > wrote:


Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 
a month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone 
signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.



On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Cameron Crum]

Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
supported the paging protocol those units used.

On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>
> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
> how long the batteries will last.
>
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-Access, Inc.
> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> California's Rural Central Valley
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
>   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Jason Bailey]

model/any other spec on them?

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, Gino Villarini  wrote:


From: Gino Villarini 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:40 PM








If anyone is interested, I got 6 nighthawk units brand new willing to part with 
very easely….(cheap)
 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
 
Worked for me two weeks ago.

On Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but 
they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are 
paperweights.

Cameron


On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
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>  What are you...




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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

What do you mean "measured"?

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

>  Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about $10-$12
> minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last time I checked
> total was about $15-$20 including fees.
>
> On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no features or
> usage from three large telcos around here.
>
> On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark"  wrote:
>
> Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably $10 a
> month? There are lots of devices that will run off of touch tone signaling
> in which you can issue turnoff/turnon commands.
>
>
> On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > They still them and actively support them in many a...
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

When did that take place?

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
> supported the paging protocol those units used.
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> > http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> >
> > This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> > line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have
> saved a
> > trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> > Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> > network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you
> know
> > how long the batteries will last.
> >
> >
> > Chuck Profito
> > 209-988-7388
> > CV-Access, Inc.
> > www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> > Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> > California's Rural Central Valley
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >
> >   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> > WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> > cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Bret Clark]

Pay for all local inbound and outbound calls. "Unmeasured" was free 
local calls...still paid for LD.


On 07/27/2010 06:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What do you mean "measured"?

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Bret Clark > wrote:


Ouch...is that measure or unmeasured? Measured around NH is about
$10-$12 minus the slush fund and bogus add on fees. I think last
time I checked total was about $15-$20 including fees.

On 07/27/2010 05:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Where are you getting PSTN for 10/mo? We start at 60/mo with no
features or usage from three large telcos around here.


On Jul 27, 2010 4:57 PM, "Bret Clark" mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>> wrote:

Why not just get a basic business measured POT's line...probably
$10 a month? There are lots of devices that will run off of
touch tone signaling in which you can issue turnoff/turnon
commands.


On 07/27/2010 04:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Josh Luthman]

I said no usage. That's 0 minutes. Local calls account for minimal minutes
on most lines. Local long distance are most abundant.

This is why I avoid the PSTN.

On Jul 27, 2010 6:57 PM, "Bret Clark"  wrote:

 Pay for all local inbound and outbound calls. "Unmeasured" was free local
calls...still paid for LD.


On 07/27/2010 06:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
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> What do you mean "measured"?
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

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Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
supported the paging protocol those units used.

On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>
> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
> how long the batteries will last.
>
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-Access, Inc.
> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> California's Rural Central Valley
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
>   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>
> --
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

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Synaccess Networks NP-08 is decent.  I've had it lock on me in about 3
years, though.

Gives you room for comments and multiple users.

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
> Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
> supported the paging protocol those units used.
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> > http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> >
> > This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> > line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have
> saved a
> > trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> > Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> > network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you
> know
> > how long the batteries will last.
> >
> >
> > Chuck Profito
> > 209-988-7388
> > CV-Access, Inc.
> > www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> > Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> > California's Rural Central Valley
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >
> >   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> > WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> > cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
> >
> > --
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Cameron Crum]

Brad,
I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that
loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes
back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at
batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant.

Cameron

On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Brad Belton  wrote:
> Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
> UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
> remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
> updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
> RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
> cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
> ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
> huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the MikroTik
> router is very handy.
>
> We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
> switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we like
> to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
> Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else seeing
> similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a great
> value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>
> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
> how long the batteries will last.
>
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-Access, Inc.
> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> California's Rural Central Valley
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
>   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Cameron Crum]

We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
about 10 ft out in each direction.


Cameron


On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike  wrote:
> Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at
> least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>
> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
> goes directly into the limestone.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
> away.
>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
> If
>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>> static.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[Philip Dorr]

Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods
one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached
to each leg of the tower.  When you have guy wires are't you supposed
to do the same between them?

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> We grounded all our towers the same as mike...3 rods in a triangle
> about 10 ft out in each direction.
>
>
> Cameron
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Mike  wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I usually ground with a triad of rods in an equilateral triangle at
>> least 8 feet apart, and never a single rod.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Dueck
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:18 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>
>> I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.
>>
>> We got hit on one of our NOCs with about 6 radios on the tower. Every
>> single radio was fried.  Our problem I think is that it's a limestone
>> (caliche or white marl) hill.  How well can you ground in a situation
>> like that?  Or does it not matter?  We had all our POE's properly
>> grounded, but did not run separate ground from the radios as they were
>> all Tranzeo with metal back plate, metal mount, mounted directly on the
>> legs of the tower.  The tower has a grounding rod at the bottom, but it
>> goes directly into the limestone.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> On 07/27/2010 08:29 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
>>> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
>>> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went
>> away.
>>> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well.
>> If
>>> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
>>> static.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>>>
>>> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
>>> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
>>> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
>>> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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[WISPA] Overheating UPS?

[Forbes Mercy]

One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to 
pull the unit in for testing.  It was so hot that they had to wrap it in 
towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there.  It has a 
minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios 
on it with a switch and remote reboot unit.  The UPS was in an attic of 
the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity 
here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic.  I'll let it cool down 
overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp 
warning, any ideas?

SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old.

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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Kristian Hoffmann]

We've had almost as many dispatches to fix/replace broken DLI web power
switches as we have saved dispatches from being able to remotely reboot
devices.  At this point, we have half a dozen on the shelf that I'm
reluctant to send out in the field.

On the other hand, we have some older units (pre autoping) that have
been running for 2-3 years in hot nasty environments.  I wish we could
figure out what was causing the failures because, in theory, they're
good units and reasonably priced.

-- 
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On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
> Anyone has experience with the webpower switch? Good ? bad ?
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> 
> Mine quit responding so i called in...they told me they no longer
> supported the paging protocol those units used.
> 
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Chuck Profito  wrote:
> > http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> >
> > This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
> > line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
> > trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> > Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> > network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
> > how long the batteries will last.
> >
> >
> > Chuck Profito
> > 209-988-7388
> > CV-Access, Inc.
> > www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> > Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> > California's Rural Central Valley
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> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >
> >   What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> > WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> > cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] Renegotiating Tower Leases

[RickG]

I tried to renegotiate my tower lease with them in Florida. Never got
it done. Crown has no idea what they are doing, at least there
anyways. Hopefully they are better around here and you have better
luck.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> We are in the midst of purchasing a company, and they have quite a few Crown
> leases.  We want to renegotiate those leases to add additional antennas.
> Unfortunately, these guys are paying $2/ft/antenna so some of them are
> extremely expensive with 5 antennas at 150’+.  Have any of you gone thru the
> process of renegotiating the tower leases?  The terms don’t end for a few
> more years unfortunately.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

[RickG]

Or ungrounding, whichever is opposite of what was in place at the time
of the lightning hit!

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> Grounding.  It's my best friend.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:30 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I had a problem customer than was always getting CPE Ethernet knocked out.
> Switched to shielded CAT5 with a pac wireless POE adapter that grounds the
> jacket through the 3rd prong ground of the house plug and problem went away.
> Also it helps if the pole the the CPE is mounted to is grounded as well. If
> its on a roof you may have to run a ground wire to the pole to dissipate
> static.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:54 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Lightening protection
>
> I had two cpe's get struck by lightening yesterday that took out the
> cpe, the router behind it and the voip adapter behind that. Along with
> a few Ethernet cards also. What are you using on the customers end to
> try to stop this. The cpe is powered by poe.
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Nick White]

We saw the same issue. Had to replace the internal battery on about ten 
of them after 3-4 years of deployment. Been fine ever since.

On 7/27/2010 5:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> Brad,
> I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that
> loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes
> back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at
> batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Brad Belton  wrote:
>
>> Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
>> UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
>> remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
>> updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
>> RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
>> cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
>> ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
>> huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the MikroTik
>> router is very handy.
>>
>> We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
>> switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we like
>> to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
>> Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else seeing
>> similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a great
>> value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
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>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>>
>> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
>> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have saved a
>> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
>> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
>> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you know
>> how long the batteries will last.
>>
>>
>> Chuck Profito
>> 209-988-7388
>> CV-Access, Inc.
>> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
>> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
>> California's Rural Central Valley
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>>What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
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Re: [WISPA] IPPay

[Robert West]

They do a PERSONAL credit check instead of a CORPORATE credit c heck in
order to make their decision to accept your company as a client.  And that
is okay how?

Just found that out after trying to get them as a processor.  And still I
was snookered.  I'm sure they do a great job and are well worth the fees but
I am a full blow C Corp for a reason and I REALLY take issue with being lied
to by them for their data collection.  Thanks guys, (IP Pay) you just opened
me up to potential personal liability.  Nice.   That's why I refused the
info in the first place.

I'm so happy







-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Weddell
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 9:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay

We converted to IP Pay almost 2 years ago and it was very smooth and we have
had no problems since then. As we continue to buy companies, we have
continued to transition them into IP Pay as well with great success.

Regards,
David Weddell
VP Business Development &
Corporate Partnerships
Omnicity, Inc.

www.omnicity.net
OTCMarkets: OMCY

866 586 1518 Corporate Office
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Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay

>From authorize.net to ippay, no issues...faster payout...cheaper.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
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http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 1:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay

Josh, If you dont mind, who did you convert from?


On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:
> We did. No issues that I recall.
>
> On Jul 24, 2010 12:55 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>
> Let me elaborate on this. Who here has converted from one processor to

> IPPay and was the transition smooth?
> I cant afford issues with cash flow.
> -RickG
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:38 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> I need feedback on IPPay. -R...
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Brad Belton]

Cameron - Nick,

No kidding, an internal battery will render the unit unreachable even after
a hard factory reset?  Good to know.  I guess I'll order a couple more
replacements, so I can then crack open the ones that have become doorstops
and check them out.

Thanks,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick White
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:13 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

We saw the same issue. Had to replace the internal battery on about ten 
of them after 3-4 years of deployment. Been fine ever since.

On 7/27/2010 5:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> Brad,
> I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that
> loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes
> back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at
> batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Brad Belton  wrote:
>
>> Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
>> UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
>> remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and again
>> updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
>> RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
>> cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
>> ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
>> huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the
MikroTik
>> router is very handy.
>>
>> We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
>> switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we
like
>> to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
>> Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else
seeing
>> similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a
great
>> value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
>>
>> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for off
>> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have
saved a
>> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
>> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
>> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you
know
>> how long the batteries will last.
>>
>>
>> Chuck Profito
>> 209-988-7388
>> CV-Access, Inc.
>> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
>> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
>> California's Rural Central Valley
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>>
>>What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
>> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
>> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
>>
>> --
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>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

[Cameron Crum]

I stumbled upon it by accident. I'm not sure why I decided to take one
apart, but I saw the little battery in there and thought "hmmm". So I got a
new one and it got its memory back...well at least after a reprogramming. I
guess its like a cmos battery. Lose it and you have to go reset all your
settings on the MB. I'm not sure why they haven't gone to flash memory on
these things.

Cameron

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> Cameron - Nick,
>
> No kidding, an internal battery will render the unit unreachable even after
> a hard factory reset?  Good to know.  I guess I'll order a couple more
> replacements, so I can then crack open the ones that have become doorstops
> and check them out.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Nick White
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:13 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
>
> We saw the same issue. Had to replace the internal battery on about ten
> of them after 3-4 years of deployment. Been fine ever since.
>
> On 7/27/2010 5:32 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
> > Brad,
> > I found out what causes this. There is a small battery inside that
> > loses its ability to keep a charge. Once this happens, the thing goes
> > back to defaults at every reboot. You can get a replacement at
> > batteries plus. It looks like a double a, but is some li variant.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Tuesday, July 27, 2010, Brad Belton  wrote:
> >
> >> Butch Evans put together a MikroTik script for us that monitors our APC
> >> UPSs.  Sends us an email when power is lost along with battery time
> >> remaining.  Then sends us an email again once power is restored and
> again
> >> updates the remaining battery life.  Works well, but unfortunately the
> >> RB493AH doesn't have a USB port for the standard included APC USB
> >> cable...for that matter very few multi-interface RouterBoards have USB
> >> ports.  Most of our HUB sites are x86 based routers, so it hasn't been a
> >> huge deal for us, but having the ability to monitor the UPS via the
> MikroTik
> >> router is very handy.
> >>
> >> We have many of the Digital Loggers eight port rack mount remote power
> >> switches.  We've been seeing a higher failure rate out of them than we
> like
> >> to see.  Basically they just become "deaf" or non-responsive via their
> >> Ethernet port...even after a hard reset they are toast.  Anyone else
> seeing
> >> similar results from the Digital Logger rack mount 8 port?  They're a
> great
> >> value at $200-$300, but not if we keep seeing failures...
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:53 PM
> >> To: 'WISPA General List'
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >>
> >> http://www.digitalloggers.com/lpc.html
> >>
> >> This is the small one, there is a larger one, both have auto ping for
> off
> >> line rebooting.  We have them on all ap / tower sites.   They a have
> saved a
> >> trip up the hill many a night! no monthly fee.
> >> Also, put a old CB-3 into the surge side of a battery backup and your
> >> network auto ping will know EXACTLY when the power goes down, and you
> know
> >> how long the batteries will last.
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck Profito
> >> 209-988-7388
> >> CV-Access, Inc.
> >> www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
> >> Providing Broadband Internet Access to
> >> California's Rural Central Valley
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:41 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
> >>
> >>What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting?  I know someone at
> >> WISPCON years back had a pager based system.  I'm sure there are
> >> cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and 
failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it 
finally went.   I thought the building was on fire.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to
> pull the unit in for testing.  It was so hot that they had to wrap it in
> towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there.  It has a
> minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios
> on it with a switch and remote reboot unit.  The UPS was in an attic of
> the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity
> here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic.  I'll let it cool down
> overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp
> warning, any ideas?
>
> SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old.
>
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