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On Sep 23, 2010 12:20 AM, "Mark Dueck"  wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Mark Dueck

I have to agree Satellite internet sux!!..  I'm supporting a few
companies that have Sat, and it's so unstable.  2:30pm till around
8:00pm you get about 1/4th the speed you're paying for.

Pings too are terrible, but I can't quite believe people are
complaining about 30ms pings.  Here in Belize I'm happy if I get 40's. 
and 40's are basically instant -- at least for the stuff I do..  Never
gamed on it, so maybe I would complain if I was a gamer.

On 09/22/2010 08:56 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has
ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West 
wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'"

Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

  Yep, just checked the
log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-

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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very
delicious...!

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons
have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting
tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Blair Davis





I can argue


Better than DIAL-UP!!

Jason Bailey wrote:

  

  
satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has
ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West 
wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'"

Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM
  
  Yep, just checked the
log..  6 lost packets.
  
DAMN YOU FAISAL!!
  
Bob-
  
  
  
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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On
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
  
Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..
  
Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..
  
Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very
delicious...!
  
  
:)
  
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
  
  
On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons
have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting
tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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> On Behalf Of John Thomas
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> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] [OT] US hunters shoot down Google fiber

2010-09-22 Thread Jim Patient


 They should get a ticket for hunting fiber during pigeon season!

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On 9/21/2010 9:27 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
I know some of you don't like competiton, but this is going a bit too 
far...


Google has revealed that aerial fibre links to its data centre in
Oregon were "regularly" shot down by hunters, forcing the company
to put its cables underground.


http://www.itnews.com.au/News/232831,us-hunters-shoot-down-google-fibre.aspx 





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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Jason Bailey

like

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 11:01 PM

Boy, that’s for sure.

How many non-penetrating roof mounts have I refused to take after replacing the 
BS dish with the good stuff………?

Lots.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ended?  Damn, and I had more whacked out stuff to say.  Darn it!

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

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> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org

> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Satellite Internet.

Don't ask, don't tell.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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On
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ] 
> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org

> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Boy, that's for sure.

How many non-penetrating roof mounts have I refused to take after replacing
the BS dish with the good stuff...?

Lots.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:

From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

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 ]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ] 
> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org

> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Jason Bailey

satellite internet sux! Try and argue!discussion has ended

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
To: fai...@snappydsl.net, "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 10:51 PM


Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-



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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
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On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
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> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
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> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
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Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

Not Windows ME?  I may need to upgrade



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

Also for Vista and 2008...

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Al Stewart  wrote:
> Yeah, but IE9 ONLY works with Windows 7.
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> Oh, hell.  IE9.  Get ready for the calls……..
>
>
>
> From: Microsoft [ mailto:micros...@e-mail.microsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:01 PM
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Yep, just checked the log..  6 lost packets.

DAMN YOU FAISAL!!

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have 
> a 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of 
> pigeon bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
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> On Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons
> -are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Al Stewart  wrote:
> Yeah, but IE9 ONLY works with Windows 7.
>
> Al
>
> -- At 10:10 PM 09/22/2010 -0400, Robert West wrote: ---
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> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CB5AA2.EE501AA0"
> Content-Language: en-us
>
> Oh, hell.  IE9.  Get ready for the calls……..
>
>
>
> From: Microsoft [ mailto:micros...@e-mail.microsoft.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:01 PM
> To: robert.w...@just-micro.com
> Subject: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here
>
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Speechless...

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

 

Another factor for us is contention. Our service provider's bandwidth is
oversold. So the packets have to wait.

 

We've used a couple of different providers and three different satellites
and I don't think I've ever seen a sub 600ms ping.

 

This is typical

 

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=704.483 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=714.199 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=787.396 ms

Request timeout for icmp_seq 3

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=1112.983 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=782.692 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=750.974 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=779.276 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=700.175 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=817.610 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=9 ttl=55 time=738.686 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=10 ttl=55 time=687.690 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=11 ttl=55 time=936.863 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=12 ttl=55 time=1325.409 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=13 ttl=55 time=842.547 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=14 ttl=55 time=762.454 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=15 ttl=55 time=705.879 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=16 ttl=55 time=912.125 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=17 ttl=55 time=723.781 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=18 ttl=55 time=754.773 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=19 ttl=55 time=704.012 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=20 ttl=55 time=664.184 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=21 ttl=55 time=733.904 ms

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=22 ttl=55 time=1108.232 ms

 

 

Greg

 

On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:





Check your math...

Best case scenarios:
c = 3e8 m/s = 3e5 km/s
l = 22000 mi = 35406 km

(35406 km) / (30 km/s) = 0.118 s = 118 ms

Round trip packet time due to RF delays only from ground point to ground
point = 472 ms



Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com   

 




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Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

Of course.  Would take much less effort to support everything else

 

My pal, Microsoft..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Al Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

 

Yeah, but IE9 ONLY works with Windows 7.

Al

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_00D1_01CB5AA2.EE501AA0"
Content-Language: en-us

Oh, hell.  IE9.  Get ready for the calls..
 
 
 
From: Microsoft [ mailto:micros...@e-mail.microsoft.com
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:01 PM
To: robert.w...@just-micro.com
Subject: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here
 

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Ah. Feeling rather full after dinner..

Bob.. Count your pigeons to see if any of them are missing..

Oh Boy !... The Stuffed Pigeons we had for dinner were very delicious...!


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/22/2010 10:08 PM, Robert West wrote:
> That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have a
> 13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of pigeon
> bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons-are-f
> aster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
>
>
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Another factor for us is contention. Our service provider's bandwidth is 
oversold. So the packets have to wait.

We've used a couple of different providers and three different satellites and I 
don't think I've ever seen a sub 600ms ping.

This is typical

64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=704.483 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=714.199 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=2 ttl=55 time=787.396 ms
Request timeout for icmp_seq 3
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=3 ttl=55 time=1112.983 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=4 ttl=55 time=782.692 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=5 ttl=55 time=750.974 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=6 ttl=55 time=779.276 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=7 ttl=55 time=700.175 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=8 ttl=55 time=817.610 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=9 ttl=55 time=738.686 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=10 ttl=55 time=687.690 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=11 ttl=55 time=936.863 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=12 ttl=55 time=1325.409 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=13 ttl=55 time=842.547 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=14 ttl=55 time=762.454 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=15 ttl=55 time=705.879 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=16 ttl=55 time=912.125 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=17 ttl=55 time=723.781 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=18 ttl=55 time=754.773 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=19 ttl=55 time=704.012 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=20 ttl=55 time=664.184 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=21 ttl=55 time=733.904 ms
64 bytes from 204.9.163.162: icmp_seq=22 ttl=55 time=1108.232 ms


Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:

> Check your math...
> 
> Best case scenarios:
> c = 3e8 m/s = 3e5 km/s
> l = 22000 mi = 35406 km
> 
> (35406 km) / (30 km/s) = 0.118 s = 118 ms
> 
> Round trip packet time due to RF delays only from ground point to ground 
> point = 472 ms
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
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Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

2010-09-22 Thread Jeromie Reeves

DECT phone in the install rig with a 10mhz radio and a ATA.

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 wrote:
> 10mhz will be rough.  Maybe an ns2 an voip phone?
>
> One installer used a cisco phone for this.  He liked it, made me smile.
>
> On Sep 22, 2010 1:11 PM, "Charles N Wyble"  wrote:
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>  SIP app on Android or iPhone?
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

I talked to the underworld via Ouija board once.  It sucked.

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Did you ever talk on an overseas phone call that was via satellite? Did you
ever talk on a maritime satellite phone link? It takes practice to
communicate smoothly because of the long delay. It's why for voice traffic
carriers prefer undersea fiber.

What are modem banks?

Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

The latency can't be because of the distance.  Rf travels too fast for that.
I expect there are large modem  banks on the satellite.

On Sep 22, 2010 9:40 PM, "Greg Ihnen"  wrote:

That's the speed of light in a vacuum. It's somewhat slower in matter (air).

I use satellite internet here and the latency is a little under 800ms at
best. A ping has to go from my terminal up to the satellite, down to the
earth station, back up from the earth station, and back down to my terminal.

I blink at least once waiting for my ping to come back.

Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Totally agree.
> 
>> When your Internet has to ...

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?



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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Totally agree.

>When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its
first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.

Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300 miles
8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the time you
blink.

>The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over
4Mbps.

Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at full
definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth was and we
figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or hundreds of
people.

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one of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a
couple of guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to
copy 300gb files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100
network.  Pigeons would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop
with 10 pigeons why not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as
well.  Sheesh
>
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Patrick Shoemaker

 Check your math...

Best case scenarios:
c = 3e8 m/s = 3e5 km/s
l = 22000 mi = 35406 km

(35406 km) / (30 km/s) = 0.118 s = 118 ms

Round trip packet time due to RF delays only from ground point to ground 
point = 472 ms

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http://www.vectordatasystems.com

On 9/22/2010 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

The latency can't be because of the distance.  Rf travels too fast for 
that.  I expect there are large modem  banks on the satellite.

On Sep 22, 2010 9:40 PM, "Greg Ihnen" > wrote:

That's the speed of light in a vacuum. It's somewhat slower in matter 
(air).

I use satellite internet here and the latency is a little under 800ms 
at best. A ping has to go from my terminal up to the satellite, down 
to the earth station, back up from the earth station, and back down 
to my terminal.

I blink at least once waiting for my ping to come back.

Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Totally agree.
>
>> When your Internet has to ...

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

That's about UK Pigeons.  US pigeons are MUCH faster!  My pigeons have a
13ms ping, verified by Speed Test .Net.  I'm really getting tired of pigeon
bashing by the media.  It all depends on the flock.

Bob-

 

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Chris Cooper

I can't fully trust a man with a hyphenated last name

Thanks,

Chris Cooper

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Did you ever talk on an overseas phone call that was via satellite? Did you 
ever talk on a maritime satellite phone link? It takes practice to communicate 
smoothly because of the long delay. It's why for voice traffic carriers prefer 
undersea fiber.

What are modem banks?

Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> The latency can't be because of the distance.  Rf travels too fast for that.  
> I expect there are large modem  banks on the satellite.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2010 9:40 PM, "Greg Ihnen"  wrote:
>> 
>> That's the speed of light in a vacuum. It's somewhat slower in matter (air).
>> 
>> I use satellite internet here and the latency is a little under 800ms at 
>> best. A ping has to go from my terminal up to the satellite, down to the 
>> earth station, back up from the earth station, and back down to my terminal.
>> 
>> I blink at least once waiting for my ping to come back.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> > Totally agree.
>> > 
>> >> When your Internet has to ...
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

The latency can't be because of the distance.  Rf travels too fast for
that.  I expect there are large modem  banks on the satellite.

On Sep 22, 2010 9:40 PM, "Greg Ihnen"  wrote:

That's the speed of light in a vacuum. It's somewhat slower in matter (air).

I use satellite internet here and the latency is a little under 800ms at
best. A ping has to go from my terminal up to the satellite, down to the
earth station, back up from the earth station, and back down to my terminal.

I blink at least once waiting for my ping to come back.

Greg

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>> When your Internet has to ...

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

That's the speed of light in a vacuum. It's somewhat slower in matter (air).

I use satellite internet here and the latency is a little under 800ms at best. 
A ping has to go from my terminal up to the satellite, down to the earth 
station, back up from the earth station, and back down to my terminal.

I blink at least once waiting for my ping to come back.

Greg

On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Totally agree.
> 
>> When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its 
>> first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.
> 
> Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300
> miles 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the
> time you blink.

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

ROFLMBO

Thanks!!!

Steve Barnes
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

  Crap,  one of the hillbillies in the trailer park shot my best low latency 
pigeon. Now they got free dinner and a movie;-)

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On 9/22/2010 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Totally agree.
>
>> When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its 
>> first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.
> Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300 
> miles 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the 
> time you blink.
>
>> The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over 
>> 4Mbps.
> Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at 
> full definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth 
> was and we figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or 
> hundreds of people.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they do one 
>> of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple of 
>> guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb 
>> files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons 
>> would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why 
>> not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> On Behalf Of John Thomas
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>>
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>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeon
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread Jim Patient

  Crap,  one of the hillbillies in the trailer park shot my best low 
latency pigeon. Now they got free dinner and a movie;-)

Jim Patient

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On 9/22/2010 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Totally agree.
>
>> When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its 
>> first hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.
> Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300
> miles 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the
> time you blink.
>
>> The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over 
>> 4Mbps.
> Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at
> full definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth
> was and we figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or
> hundreds of people.
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>> Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they do one 
>> of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple of 
>> guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb 
>> files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons 
>> would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why 
>> not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of John Thomas
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>>
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons-are-faster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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Re: [WISPA] OT: IPPLAN Install

2010-09-22 Thread Justin Wilson

I found my answer buried.  It is because I had fast CGI installed.

Added this to an .htaccess file in the ipplan directory:

AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php


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From: Josh Luthman 
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:58:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: IPPLAN Install

Looks like mine is using http auth?

http://iam8up.com/ipplan/admin/usermanager.php

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> Anyone installed ipplan lately?  I can¹t get it to take the admin password
> defined in config.php.  I can get ot the install.php page but it prompts for
> user/pass.   At that point it won¹t take anything.  This happened on 6beta
> and the 4.x.  I am assuming it is not an ipplan issue but maybe an apache
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: [WISPA] OT: IPPLAN Install

Looks like mine is using http auth?

http://iam8up.com/ipplan/admin/usermanager.php

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> Anyone installed ipplan lately?  I can’t get it to take the admin password
> defined in config.php.  I can get ot the install.php page but it prompts for
> user/pass.   At that point it won’t take anything.  This happened on 6beta
> and the 4.x.  I am assuming it is not an ipplan issue but maybe an apache
> issue.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Justin
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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Totally agree.

>When your Internet has to go 22,300 miles, at best, straight up for its first 
>hop even the speed of light begins to feel slow.

Speed of light = 186k miles per second.  Light can travel that 22,300
miles 8.5 times in one second.  That's back and forth 4 times in the
time you blink.

>The median advertised download speed is 7Mbps. The reality is just over 4Mbps.

Because Farmville needs that last 3Mbps.  You can watch Netflix at
full definition at those speeds.  A hotel asked what their bandwidth
was and we figured it to be just about 4Mbps - a hotel with dozens or
hundreds of people.

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> Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they do one 
> of these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple of 
> guys with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb 
> files from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons 
> would come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why 
> not 100 then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of John Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/it-8217s-official-carrier-pigeons-are-faster-than-rural-internet/173?tag=nl.e539
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[WISPA] OT: IPPLAN Install

2010-09-22 Thread Justin Wilson

 Anyone installed ipplan lately?  I can¹t get it to take the admin password
defined in config.php.  I can get ot the install.php page but it prompts for
user/pass.   At that point it won¹t take anything.  This happened on 6beta
and the 4.x.  I am assuming it is not an ipplan issue but maybe an apache
issue.

Thanks in advance,
Justin

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Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

Talk about trash articles. This was terrible.  I hope next time they do one of 
these test they let us know so we can release a few hawks and a couple of guys 
with 12 gauge shot guns.  Not to mention you ever tried to copy 300gb files 
from one computer to another over a standard 10/100 network.  Pigeons would 
come close on that one as well.  Why did he stop with 10 pigeons why not 100 
then he could gripe about fiber being slow as well.  Sheesh

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Of John Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:43 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?


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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

2010-09-22 Thread Jerry Richardson

Not with that link - LOL

If you sneezed next to the antenna it would probably drop the link

- Jerry


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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

I've seen a few of those records, but I would like to see records of
long distance *stable* connections, let's say four nines.

Rubens


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but
> this is clearly a record for 5.8G.
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
>
> It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile
> high :-)
> They said they pulled off 5 mbps.
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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

2010-09-22 Thread Rubens Kuhl

I've seen a few of those records, but I would like to see records of
long distance *stable* connections, let's say four nines.

Rubens


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but
> this is clearly a record for 5.8G.
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
>
> It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile
> high :-)
> They said they pulled off 5 mbps.
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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

> Dang they just beat my 127 mile link using Trango radios from 4-5 years 
> ago... :(

*Jaw dropping smilie here*

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>  Dang they just beat my 127 mile link using Trango radios from 4-5
> years ago... :(
>
> I don't think I have two mountaintops that far apart :(
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> On 9/22/2010 4:49 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but
>> this is clearly a record for 5.8G.
>>
>> http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
>>
>> It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile
>> high :-)
>> They said they pulled off 5 mbps.
>>
>> Its funny, I remember conversatiosn when SR5s first came out, where some
>> people stated they wouldn't risk using them for long links over 10miles or
>> so, because a low price product likely was lower grade.  I got to say, way
>> to go Ubiquiti!
>>
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

2010-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson

  Dang they just beat my 127 mile link using Trango radios from 4-5 
years ago... :(

I don't think I have two mountaintops that far apart :(

Travis
Microserv

On 9/22/2010 4:49 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but
> this is clearly a record for 5.8G.
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
>
> It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile
> high :-)
> They said they pulled off 5 mbps.
>
> Its funny, I remember conversatiosn when SR5s first came out, where some
> people stated they wouldn't risk using them for long links over 10miles or
> so, because a low price product likely was lower grade.  I got to say, way
> to go Ubiquiti!
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> 301-515-7774
> IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

I thought I had seen this before.  It's on the MT forums and from
23:43 August 26, 2007.

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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but
> this is clearly a record for 5.8G.
>
> http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
>
> It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile
> high :-)
> They said they pulled off 5 mbps.
>
> Its funny, I remember conversatiosn when SR5s first came out, where some
> people stated they wouldn't risk using them for long links over 10miles or
> so, because a low price product likely was lower grade.  I got to say, way
> to go Ubiquiti!
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> 301-515-7774
> IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

2010-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi

Pretty impressive for 5.8Ghz. I'm aware of numerous long 2.4G links, but 
this is clearly a record for 5.8G.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/

It was even over water, all be it, it was also on top of a mountain a mile 
high :-)
They said they pulled off 5 mbps.

Its funny, I remember conversatiosn when SR5s first came out, where some 
people stated they wouldn't risk using them for long links over 10miles or 
so, because a low price product likely was lower grade.  I got to say, way 
to go Ubiquiti!


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301-515-7774
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[WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-22 Thread John Thomas


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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

2010-09-22 Thread Philip Dorr

on the interface that has the same IP subnet as the VPN

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> If this was asked earlier in the thread I missed it. On which interfaces 
> should arp-proxy be enabled? Just on the local net or on the public 
> interface(s) as well?
>
> Greg
> On Sep 22, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Butch Evans wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 22:51 -0400, Francois Menard wrote:
>>> Are you saying that the VPN server should not be in the
>>> same subnet as the subnet to which access is sought for ?
>>
>> No...I said that IF you are using IPs that are part of an existing
>> subnet, then you WILL need to use proxy-arp to make it work.
>>
>>>
>>> its basically if there is a bridge, rather than a routed
>>> relationship between the VPN client and the VPN server ...
>>> thus the need for Proxy-ARP in that case ?
>>
>> I really don't understand the question you are asking.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

Should have read better.

Netscan is another good app.

On Sep 22, 2010 1:33 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:

You are all telling me what I thought would be the case.  What would be a
great app is a little app you put on a Flash drive and plug it into the pc
and it does a scan and saves the data to a .csv.  Nothing loaded tells
memory, cpu, IP, user and whatever.



Oh well  since I am the furthest thing from a programmer guess it will
dream.



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It depends on what kind of information that you have to inventory. If it is
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson

  I have been testing some UBNT 2.4 stuff and not overly impressed. We 
have a LOS 5 mile shot, but some pretty good 2.4 noise on the AP side. 
We can't maintain much over 5Mbps (using a 10mhz channel size). Testing 
through trees was almost impossible.

Travis
Microserv

On 9/22/2010 10:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
> Marco
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-22 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

I don't have personal experience with UBNT M2 and Moto Canopy.

However I would suggest that you do a search on UBNT forms for posts by 
'WHT' and also on DSLReports WISP Forums.

WHT is one of the Beta Testers for advance features and newer firmware 
coming down the pikes.

His testing suggests that, if Canopy 2.4 got into a duel with UBNT M2 
gear with Airmax on (and the next release of the firmware)... it will be 
a 'blood bath', both of you will take hits, but at the end, UBNT radios 
will keep standing.

I have no desire to start a Flame, nor a contest of wits. Would love 
to hear if a Canopy Operator has done some serious testing with UBNT 
Airmax Gear.

UBNT Airmax is about 95% fully baked, the rest of it is expected to be 
fully done within the next 6 to 18 months.

Take all of this with a grain of salt.

As to shooting thru trees and NLOS there is a lot of if's and but's 
to this... but direct experiences show that under most conditions the 
802.11n Mimo radios do surprisingly well (when compared to traditional 
802.11 a/b/g) in both of these environments.

Some WISP's are reporting that early testing of UBNTM 2.4 MIMO gear is 
performing better than 900mhz for foliage penetration (context, being 
for that particular link they were setting up).

Our experience, UBNTM5 (5.x) on short distance (1/4 mile) with No-LOS/ 
fairly obstructed LOS, shooting thru a glass window, with power @ 22dbBm 
is doing between 78x78 / 52x52 meg air rate, tcp rate is about 18x10. 
(signal is -79/-80, noise floor is -89dBm, 20Mhz Channel)
This is a special case, temp link we setup for a client.

The same radio with LOS on the roof of the bldg, would be doing 
130x130/117x117 air rate, (20mhz channel), with a -66 signal and power 
turned all the way down to 6dBm)
(BTW the radio listed above is the UBNT LocM5)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom

On 9/22/2010 12:57 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
> Marco
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

You are all telling me what I thought would be the case.  What would be a great 
app is a little app you put on a Flash drive and plug it into the pc and it 
does a scan and saves the data to a .csv.  Nothing loaded tells memory, cpu, 
IP, user and whatever.

Oh well  since I am the furthest thing from a programmer guess it will dream.

Steve Barnes
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RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Georges-Keny PAUL
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

It depends on what kind of information that you have to inventory. If it is a 
security issue test on a LAN network fine. Otherwise you need "Administrator or 
root" access to the  Box to do the job.
Of course, you can have a lot of information about protocol running on the Box, 
just using a port scan software, like old Ethereal Wireshak 
(http://www.wireshark.org/).

Anyway, good luck !

Keny

2010/9/22 Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com>>
I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do a 
IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to their 
servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.  I know I 
can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just looking for 
something that I would not have to install on each computer to find user and 
other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.

Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

2010-09-22 Thread Georges-Keny PAUL

It depends on what kind of information that you have to inventory. If it is
a security issue test on a LAN network fine. Otherwise you
need "Administrator or root" access to the  Box to do the job.
Of course, you can have a lot of information about protocol running on the
Box, just using a port scan software, like old Ethereal Wireshak (
http://www.wireshark.org/).

Anyway, good luck !

Keny


2010/9/22 Steve Barnes 

> I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do
> a IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to
> their servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.
>  I know I can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just
> looking for something that I would not have to install on each computer to
> find user and other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.
>
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-22 Thread Jack Unger

  Yes; he's smoking something strange or someone is feeding him a line of BS.

On 9/22/2010 9:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
> Marco
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

10mhz will be rough.  Maybe an ns2 an voip phone?

One installer used a cisco phone for this.  He liked it, made me smile.

On Sep 22, 2010 1:11 PM, "Charles N Wyble"  wrote:

 SIP app on Android or iPhone?


On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my instal...



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Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

2010-09-22 Thread Charles N Wyble

  SIP app on Android or iPhone?

On 09/22/2010 10:09 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my installers could have to use 
> out at customers.  What would be a clincher is if it had the ability to also 
> do 10Mhz Channels so when at a tower they could use it.  Some of our towers 
> are very rural and their cell phones don't work well.  Any recommendations.
>
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[WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

I am looking for a Wireless VOIP Phone that my installers could have to use out 
at customers.  What would be a clincher is if it had the ability to also do 
10Mhz Channels so when at a tower they could use it.  Some of our towers are 
very rural and their cell phones don't work well.  Any recommendations.

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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

I did spread sheets, moving to powercode.

On Sep 22, 2010 1:00 PM, "Steve Barnes"  wrote:

I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do a
IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to
their servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.
 I know I can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just
looking for something that I would not have to install on each computer to
find user and other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

Not radio dependant.  Rf is Rf.

If he's shooting through trees it is 900 or 3.65 mimo.

On Sep 22, 2010 12:57 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
interference should I expect?

Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
smoking something strange?

Marco


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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Software

2010-09-22 Thread Charles N Wyble

  Windows boxes?

Look at WMI.

You would need an administrator account on the domain to scan all the 
systems.



On 09/22/2010 10:00 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do a 
> IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to 
> their servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.  I 
> know I can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just 
> looking for something that I would not have to install on each computer to 
> find user and other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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[WISPA] Inventory Software

I have a company who wants me to come in an attach to their network and do a 
IP/system name/user inventory.  But they don't want me to have access to their 
servers or passwords.  Is there an app out there that might do this.  I know I 
can do an angry IPscan and get IP and machine name.  I was just looking for 
something that I would not have to install on each computer to find user and 
other info.  Best of all it would be great if it were free.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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[WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-22 Thread Marco Coelho

I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
interference should I expect?

Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
smoking something strange?

Marco


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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

Thanks, all.  I'll be working it later again..

Bob-

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 23:09 -0400, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 
> Let me clarify...
> 
> As long as you get a valid IP on your PPTP client, from the PPTP Server, 
> and the default route to the PPTP server, then you should be able to get 
> to any of the IP's (public or private) being routed on that MK box.

Of course.  There are ways to make it work and there are other ways to
make it work.  For some reason, some people like to use the same subnet
even though their interface (the pptp server interface) is not on the
same segment.  To make that work, you need proxy-arp (since arp won't
work considering you are not on that segment).  I don't have time to
write a full tutorial for why it is that way.  I am sure I have done so
in the past...search the archives for proxy-arp and you'll likely find
one.  It is possible that I even posted a blog entry detailing this as
well.

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[WISPA] Copper Theft

2010-09-22 Thread Blake Bowers

>From the DHS morning report

September 21, Milford Daily News - (Massachusetts) Two copper thefts
investigated in Milford. Police are investigating the thefts of copper from
a Pine Street church and a Verizon substation in Milford, Massachusetts,
sometime September 19. The police chief said someone stole $1,800 worth of
the metal from the First Unitarian Universalist Church at 23 Pine St. An
officer responded to the church at 12:20 p.m. September 20, when a church
employee told him a copper downspout was removed from the back of the
building. In his report, the officer said the copper was about 16 feet long.
The employee said he noticed September 19 a different downspout had been
tampered with, but not taken. Older buildings are targets for such theft.
Another officer responded to the Verizon tower at 2:27 p.m. September 20
after an employee called police to report the theft. The employee said
somebody cut the lock to the gate door and entered the facility sometime
during the week of September 13. He said employees have reported five or six
different incidents of theft over the last few weeks, and that police are
looking for trucks that might be leaving the tower area. The investigation
remains open. Source:
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1680536952/Two-copper-thefts-investigated-in-Milford

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik VPN Script