Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
Tiger Direct has netbooks with winXP in the $250 range. I love mine. On 11/30/2010 10:15 PM, Rogelio wrote: bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Don't have a particular brand to recommend, but I would suggest looking at Microcenter. I've seen lots of good ones that fall within that category. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
On 12/01/2010 05:27 AM, Blair Davis wrote: Tiger Direct has netbooks with winXP in the $250 range. I love mine. On 11/30/2010 10:15 PM, Rogelio wrote: bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Don't have a particular brand to recommend, but I would suggest looking at Microcenter. I've seen lots of good ones that fall within that category. check eBay for used or refurb Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
eBay Big Bob, I just got a notebook/laptop replaced for $182. Like you I don't need it to do much cpu intensive tasks, just get into antennas, configure, test and show the customer some youtube videos. -- Original Message -- From: bmoldas...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:11:44 -0500 Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Tnx -B- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
Refurbed Dell laptops with XP Pro for $288 each http://www.pcforsale.com/ Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops Look on Ebay.. for older models. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/30/2010 10:40 PM, bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Tons of options if you want Windows 7. I need Windows XP operating system. I tried all those. $1000+ for Win 7 downgradeable to Win XP Faisal Imtiaz writes: these days.. take your pick... www.compusa.com www.officedepot.com www.officemax.com tons of options for sub $500 notebook ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 11/30/2010 10:11 PM, bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Tnx -B- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 21:11, bmoldas...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. If you're big enough to have a Microsoft volume license, ask your sales rep about Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs. It's basically a stripped-down WinXP, specifically designed for older hardware. Then you can just pick up any random used laptop from eBay. In the long term, the right thing to do is to talk to your software vendors and tell them to start supporting modern OSes. (What software are you using that doesn't work well with Windows 7, out of curiosity? I've yet to run into anything that doesn't work perfectly, and I'm even running the 64-bit version of Win7 for maximum nuisance.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
We had this with Tranzeo CPQ radios in router mode. The new sites open too many streams and overwhelm the routers. Starting to see some Linksys one's do it too. Using the latest and greatest firmware fixed the problems. Usually. Sometimes it's time to upgrade the hardware though. marlon - Original Message - From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 5:45 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail Hello. Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing facebook and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on hotmail after entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other people's profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120 customers and have complained so much about it that is already getting on me. Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems with these two websites. Thanks in advanced. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
Oh yeah, we'd run speed tests and they'd look great. Google would load right up etc. Reboot the router/radio and things would run fine for a little bit. Then try to go to MSN, Myspace, facebook etc. and things would die. marlon - Original Message - From: Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com To: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail I don't use Facebook much but, I had to lately in order to test the problem. Is actually a little slow from time to time. All other pages load fine. That's what I don't understand. I found this about facebook: http://www.5starsocialnetwork.com/facebook-connection-problems/ http://support.momentoapp.com/discussions/problems/106-problem-with-facebook-connection http://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues/posts/171845609509593 I'm puzzled at all this and is really getting on my nerves. I have people complaining about it. Thanks. On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 13:26 -0500, RickG wrote: Have you seen the actual problem for yourself? If so, does it do it at your core? On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote: Hello. Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing facebook and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on hotmail after entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other people's profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120 customers and have complained so much about it that is already getting on me. Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems with these two websites. Thanks in advanced. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
I'd give Dell a call. Either factor refub units or brand new but with XP installed instead of 7. http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfb/notebooks/ct.aspx?refid=notebookss=dfbcs=28 Course you can always call them at 888-518-3355. I tend to want to talk to people. marlon - Original Message - From: bmoldas...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Tnx -B- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops....
Go to Amazon and type XP Laptop into the search...lots, good, cheap, and reliable store. . . . J o n a t h a n Jonathan Schmidt -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Laptops I'd give Dell a call. Either factor refub units or brand new but with XP installed instead of 7. http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfb/notebooks/ct.aspx?refid=notebookss=dfbcs=2 8 Course you can always call them at 888-518-3355. I tend to want to talk to people. marlon - Original Message - From: bmoldas...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT Laptops Anyone have a source for new netbooks or small laptops with Win XP operating system? Looking for something sub $600. Using it strictly for programming equipment and running diagnostics. Not doing anything CPU intensive. Unfortunately we are running quite a few programs that don't play well with WIN 7. Tnx -B- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
I'm curious if he tried different channels. It must be a monster signal to wipe out an AP right next to the laptop. I'm not sure I'd want to live there without my tinfoil hat. Greg On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Illinois WISP Meeting Synopsis
Yesterday, 21 participants representing WISPs, WISPA or a vendor met in Springfield, Illinois. The purpose of the meeting was to build relationships, discuss the industry and the future and develop strategies to succeed in a more competitive landscape in the coming years. Of the participants, all were WISPA members except for one and he signed up for membership today. It was the general consensus of all those participating that we all need to do a better job reaching out to our neighbor WISPs who are not currently WISPA members and encourage them to join our efforts to improve the business environment in which we operate. The participants also discussed planning a more formal meeting in late spring in which Government officials representing the Partnership for a Connected Illinois (Broadband Mapping Authority) and other officials with a concern about Broadband in Illinois would be invited to participate. It is expected that this next meeting will be a daylong event and be patterned after Indiana meetings that have been held in the past and the one currently planned http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3434 for January 19th. Some things that were discussed: * Broadband Stimulus Fiber Projects * Aggregated bandwidth purchases * Homeland Security issues with municipal water tower contracts. * Interference and lack of adequate spectrum in metropolitan areas * WISPA dues and tiered membership rates * Motorola GPS Sync and new Ubiquiti sync methods * New Affiliate Opportunities through WISPA and its Vendors * Insurance and possible WISPA Group Health opportunities * Internet Service taxes * Interfacing with Local and State politicians * Peering opportunities I would like to thank Jason McKemie of Veloxinet http://www.veloxinet.com/ , a local WISP in Springfield for hosting this meeting at his downtown establishment. Kudos go to the great food that we were served for lunch. Also, many thanks go to John Phelps and Ryan Schenkel of TBI (Telecom http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2665 Brokerage, Inc.) for paying for the lunch as a vendor sponsor. Mike Hammett and John Scrivner also participated in the planning of the event, but unfortunately John could not attend due to illness at the last minute. Once again, meetings like this, is one of the reasons I really love this industry. There are many great people who work very hard to supply broadband in their local markets and it is my pleasure to meet each one and work for all each day. It was great to see the relationships build and the sharing of experiences and business practices with others in the industry. Other states that need assistance getting organized, feel free to contact me. We really need more local (state) champions willing to lead our efforts in each state. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly I'd just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5 radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water. Is this worth the effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it? Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions. Thanks, Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
http://ubnt.com/airview - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/1/2010 3:17 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
Does anyone advocate or have experience with circular polarization over water? Greg On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:21 PM, Tom Sharples wrote: Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly I'd just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5 radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water. Is this worth the effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it? Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions. Thanks, Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] DSL BGP Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL? Looking simply for a redundancy circuit. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
Just a quick note. It seems that most wifi based systems that I've used do NOT detect constant carrier signals. So a mechanism that is always on will kill them but not show up as noise in the stats. A spectrum analyzer is a mission critical device sometimes. marlon - Original Message - From: ~NGL~ To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other problems. Keeping my fingers crossed. NGL From: RickG Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know. On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in good weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to climb a tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I hope! NGL Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap it out? On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same this morning. We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on and off, the same thing this morning. We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and encountered no problems. I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower . NGL From: Bret Clark Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was not sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but after a few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next heavy rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain that didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with maybe some wind thrown in the mix. Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where on one of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random times...Turn out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping radar crap and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the clients dropped off. On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote: All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are still on line this morning. I don’t get it! The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna. The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and furthest from the AP. Thanx NGL From: Phil Curnutt Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure the radio is putting out the power it should. Also check the SWR, should be about 1.3/5. I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged and losing signal. Phil On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Since you said it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that AP. I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap it out with a known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having some interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see? On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now. NGL From: RickG Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~ n...@ngl.net wrote: I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has been dropping clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the clients, with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have come back.. Any suggestions?
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
Can you elaborate a little on how you have this configured. I had thought about the 50 Meg Comcast as a backup. I also use mikrotik for the router. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] DSL BGP Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL? Looking simply for a redundancy circuit. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Bakeoff test survey
I took a look at your list. Pretty impressive. None of those are on my hot list but I am curious about any that you do happen to test. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Bakeoff test survey In order to streamline the products and make sure that we have enough time to test the products completely please take the survey to determine which backhaul is important in your opinion. Please vote whether you are attending AFMUG or not. Results will be shared. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XD3RCRD For more information about AFMUG held in SLC, Utah between Jan 11-14 2011 see http://www.afmug.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services
We do it. No contract. We will want to install the hardware and make sure that we're set up as backup only. Like you, if usage goes higher than we think backup should they'll get billed a full account till they get the main account working right again. Having said that, normally ours is the primary service and the other service is the backup. Same scenario though, they are set at the router level to only come online if ours goes down. marlon - Original Message - From: Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:18 AM Subject: [WISPA] Non-Primary (backup) Internet Services Anyone offer backup circuits and have a sample terms/clause? I'm looking to offer backup service want to offer a discount over the standard pricing, but need a clause about utilization - basically we monitor, and if we determine that they've been utilizing the link as their primary in a given month, the following month's pricing goes up to our normal price. I have a few customers with telco/cable service and they seem receptive to this. Nick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight...
OY! I can't even watch that video. Those guys are just plain nuts. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Robinson mark...@mindspring.com To: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com Cc: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight... There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked like one of those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when weight was put on it Mark N1UK - Original Message - From: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at anamazingheight... Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what would happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off. Be a LONG way down. At that height seems like they would get kinda rusty. 73 Tom W7WHY Seems to be a commercial operation. I guess the OSHA inspector couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection. Also, note the porcupine dissipators on the way up. http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1 73, Joe K2XX ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
Sorry, nope. If I told ya I'd have to. Oh OK, I don't know how it gets done. Butch handles all of that kind of programming for me. He can help you with the config. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP Can you elaborate a little on how you have this configured. I had thought about the 50 Meg Comcast as a backup. I also use mikrotik for the router. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] DSL BGP Does anyone know of a DSL provider that supports BGP on DSL? Looking simply for a redundancy circuit. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
It's for a backup. Different than BGP. For our customers it's used when the choice is slower alternate internet vs. no internet. Yeah, the people that still need outside access have to know both possible IP addys. More likely they just get a few hours off. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
If you're handing out public IPs to customers then you will need to run BGP to properly failover between multiple upstreams. Most ISPs require you purchase a dedicated circuit before they will run BGP with you. If all of your customers are behind NAT then you don't need BGP. With NAT failover your customers will just have to restart their HTTP / SIP sessions to re-gain service as the old entries in the connection tracking table mapping to the downed connection will no longer be valid. If you have public IPs (/24's or greater), are not running BGP, but are looking to add a secondary dedicated circuit then you may want to ask both ISPs if they can announce your routes for you. Provider 2 will need an LOA from provider 1 authorizing them to announce the address blocks. You'll have to coordinate you're inbound routing policies with them. Provider 2 can use BGP communities and/or AS padding to prefer Provider 1 over their connection. For outbound traffic you would just need two default routes on your MikroTik, one with a higher preference than the other. I have several consulting clients who operate in the above configuration, and we've offered that service for a few of our dedicated internet customers in the past. -- Blake Covarrubias On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah, the people that still need outside access have to know both possible IP addys. More likely they just get a few hours off. grin This can be solved by utilizing a dynamic DNS service. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight...
We've had several threads on this. Scary every time I watch it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: OY! I can't even watch that video. Those guys are just plain nuts. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Robinson mark...@mindspring.com To: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com Cc: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight... There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked like one of those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when weight was put on it Mark N1UK - Original Message - From: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at anamazingheight... Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what would happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off. Be a LONG way down. At that height seems like they would get kinda rusty. 73 Tom W7WHY Seems to be a commercial operation. I guess the OSHA inspector couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection. Also, note the porcupine dissipators on the way up. http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1 73, Joe K2XX ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
well today there are multiple ways to do this... which don't have to involve BGP. However you would need some dynamic routing protocol.. RIP/OSPF etc.. But can be done via active scripts that modify static routes as well. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 12/1/2010 6:01 PM, Matt wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rulesatanamazingheight...
...the Morse is unusual...I thought I heard the German umlaut U in the beginning (with the two dots over it) as DI DI DAH DAH which isn't Morse for anything in our alphabet. I wonder where this was made. . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rulesatanamazingheight... We've had several threads on this. Scary every time I watch it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: OY! I can't even watch that video. Those guys are just plain nuts. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Robinson mark...@mindspring.com To: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com Cc: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules atanamazingheight... There was a death a while back when a climber fell and it looked like one of those climbing pegs had rusted through and had snapped off when weight was put on it Mark N1UK - Original Message - From: Tom Osborne w7...@frontier.com To: Towertalk towert...@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, 01 December, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Breaking all the tower climbing rules at anamazingheight... Watching them go up the last 50 feet or so made me wonder just what would happen if one of those climbing pegs snapped off. Be a LONG way down. At that height seems like they would get kinda rusty. 73 Tom W7WHY Seems to be a commercial operation. I guess the OSHA inspector couldn't (wouldn't) make an on-site inspection. Also, note the porcupine dissipators on the way up. http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp5 3/player_config.php?token=f2d_1284588370%26embed=1 73, Joe K2XX ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
I am far from a Mikrotik guru but from what I know you would need to assign private IP's to your network to be able to do this as a fail over or as load balancing without BGP. I don't know of any DSL providers who will do BGP. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP
Okay, So there is a whole bunch of IF's and's or but's here... Some assumptions:- If you are the Service Provider for the DSL service and the Alternate / Wireless, then obviously there there some options ... However, most cases, the other connection (it could be cable or dsl or t1, it does not matter...) is on another provider's network that you don't have access to... Then you are left with doing NAT on the lan side and switching over the the primary or secondary WAN ... If you really wanted to be creative.. you can do a Tunnel (VPN or GRE) across the 2nd WAN, back to your network core, which would only make sense if your core was in a very reliable location... etc etc etc. Bottom line is that if you want to do BGP on any link not on your network, you will need the full cooperation of the other provider. And if both connections are on your network, you are not necessarily limited to BGP only Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 12/1/2010 9:06 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: I am far from a Mikrotik guru but from what I know you would need to assign private IP's to your network to be able to do this as a fail over or as load balancing without BGP. I don't know of any DSL providers who will do BGP. Chadd -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL BGP I would want to maintain basic surfing and VoIP traffic. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 1, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: We do this today with Mikrotik routers. Don't need the bgp part of it for just a backup service. Pretty sure this 'wont' work without BGP if you want your clients public IP's to be directly accessable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
Look at 900MHz. It's my understanding that 900MHz is crazy good over water. Albert- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water? Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly I'd just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5 radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water. Is this worth the effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it? Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions. Thanks, Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
instead of the dedicated hardware you could use the AirView utility in a Ubuquti M series product. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: http://ubnt.com/airview - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/1/2010 3:17 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
An FM radio? You seem to be as weird as I. We both have no life. :( -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking,
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
Thanks, Robert, as I said..some years ago. It was probably 10 years ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi. I sold my company to them 5 years before that. Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was useful. We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called Motherboard). That was 1969-1970. We had used early versions of that architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers. Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that. . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month An FM radio? You seem to be as weird as I. We both have no life. :( -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
Yep. We're both O L D Happens. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Thanks, Robert, as I said..some years ago. It was probably 10 years ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi. I sold my company to them 5 years before that. Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was useful. We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called Motherboard). That was 1969-1970. We had used early versions of that architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers. Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that. . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month An FM radio? You seem to be as weird as I. We both have no life. :( -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the test bench. It is working fine. Connected with my laptop and passes traffic just like it should. What do I need to look for at the customer house that would make 3 routers not show up on multiple computers when doing a scan for wireless networks? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking,
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
You rock, by the way. Good or bad, who knows...! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Yep. We're both O L D Happens. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Thanks, Robert, as I said..some years ago. It was probably 10 years ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi. I sold my company to them 5 years before that. Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was useful. We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called Motherboard). That was 1969-1970. We had used early versions of that architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers. Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that. . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month An FM radio? You seem to be as weird as I. We both have no life. :( -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Help. I sent a Trendnet 432 SOHO wireless router with the installer to a customer. He hooked it up, couldn't connect. Does not show in list of available APs on his laptop or the customer's laptop. Must be DOA. Send another one. Customer not home so installer left it. Fine, customer can hook it up. Customer calls, can't make it work. I stop in and it doesn't show up on my laptop or her laptop. Two of them DOA seems unlikely, but ... I setup another one. Take it to customer house. Can't see it. Moved it to another room. Still doesn't show up. Get my laptop. Same thing. Now I am sure it is something else because I don't have 3 DOA units. Haven't had that many in 4 years or whatever it is of using these. I just setup the second one on the
Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
If you have 100% Fresnel Zone 1 clearance, instead of 60% FZ1 which is the usual parameter over land, you are probably good to go. As these sites are more prone to rust, I would strongly prefer integrated units instead of dish antennas; Ubiquiti Powerbridge M comes to mind, both because not having RF cables and connectors to rust and being dual-polarity. If you want diversity, consider adding a 900 MHz backup-link to the 5.8 GHz main-link. Stay away from 2.4 GHz, it would only contribute to global warming... :-) (Rocket M 900 with two Yagis, may be ?) Rubens On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly I'd just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5 radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water. Is this worth the effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it? Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions. Thanks, Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month
Thanks. It's not old. It's just years. I've been a ham for about 60 years and ran 25 yearly Marathons until 5 years ago (overcoming having been in an iron lung at the end of WWII and deciding to fix it... finally). When I start talking about grandkids or pets...please stop me. I hate that. But, if I had it to do all over, I'd start with being a WISPA member and setting up RF links all over again. Getting your hands dirty aiming an antenna, stringing cable...it's wonderful. Climbing 1,700 foot towers...maybe not. Getting mud on a customer's carpet...definitely not. Watching a link come up solid...definitely! . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month You rock, by the way. Good or bad, who knows...! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Yep. We're both O L D Happens. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Thanks, Robert, as I said..some years ago. It was probably 10 years ago or more when it was a Bay/Nortel pre-802.11 Wi-Fi. I sold my company to them 5 years before that. Anyway, at that time, everything was new and old-time trouble shooting was useful. We used to trouble shoot computers when we were using the discrete version of the 8008 (which we hired Intel and TI to make into a chip) by Radio Shack transistor radios placed at strategic points over the main board (now called Motherboard). That was 1969-1970. We had used early versions of that architecture in the '60s for message switching controllers. Anyway, if you can get something into your ear that represents what's happening, it's often a real help even if you don't have a Fast Fourier transform built in because I've found that our brains tend to do that. . . . j o n a t h a n W8BZB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month An FM radio? You seem to be as weird as I. We both have no life. :( -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had a CFL that looked dead but was hot. It was knocking out all the 802.11 in the house. That was some years ago but found it by walking the house with an FM radio tuned to a weak station. It was clear when I was within a couple feet that it was the cause...when I reached up to see if it was loose...it was HOT! . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month A couple of years ago I had a customer who would drop signal all the time. One day when I was there pulling my hair out I noticed every time her furnace kicked on the signal dropped. Either the motor or the electronics was creating some nasty RF. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month I had e-mailed the customer last week to have her turn off anything she knew was wireless. I received an e-mail yesterday saying that she had and still did not work. One of the routers that had been at her house and did not work has been deployed elsewhere and is working fine. I am going to try to get there late this week and see what I can figure out. I do know that it is not 802.11 that is interfering as my laptop did not see any other APs. On 12/1/2010 3:33 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I'm curious if this ever got fixed and what the cause was? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird one of the month Look for an internal wireless system that's drowning out the AP. Think x10 camera or other similar system. Do you have a spectrum analyzer that you can look with? marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reedsr...@nwwnet.net To: WISPA
[WISPA] California WISP meeting
Hi, For those of you not on the California list that may be interested, here are the details on the upcoming meeting... Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010 Location: Domain Hotel, Sunnyvale, CA http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/siliconvalley/domain Rooms are available at $79/night. Schedule: 8:30 - 9:00 - Coffee, meet/greet 9:00 - 9:15 - Welcome from WISPA Board 9:15 - 10:00 - FCC Report and QA (Jack Unger) 10:00 - 10:10 - Break/setup 10:10 - 11:10 - Beamforming (Ruckus Wireless) 11:10 - 11:20 - Break/setup 11:20 - 12:20 - CPUC Broadband Mapping (CPUC staff) 12:20 - 1:10 - Lunch 1:10 - 2:00 - Network Management (Matt Larsen) 2:00 - 2:10 - Break/setup 2:10 - 5:00 - Moderated WISP roundtable Cost: $0 Ruckus is kindly taking care of the provisions. How to sign up: Email me on or off list. WISPs signed up: CCS Wireless airCloud CalDSL Desert Wireless CV-Access 101 Netlink California Broadband Services Sutter Creek socalwifi.net USA Communications Fire2Wire If you're company name isn't in the list and you're planning on attending, please email me as soon as possible. It looks like we may have to get a bigger room! Thanks, -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] California WISP meeting
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3469 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] California WISP meeting Hi, For those of you not on the California list that may be interested, here are the details on the upcoming meeting... Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010 Location: Domain Hotel, Sunnyvale, CA http://www.jdvhotels.com/hotels/siliconvalley/domain Rooms are available at $79/night. Schedule: 8:30 - 9:00 - Coffee, meet/greet 9:00 - 9:15 - Welcome from WISPA Board 9:15 - 10:00 - FCC Report and QA (Jack Unger) 10:00 - 10:10 - Break/setup 10:10 - 11:10 - Beamforming (Ruckus Wireless) 11:10 - 11:20 - Break/setup 11:20 - 12:20 - CPUC Broadband Mapping (CPUC staff) 12:20 - 1:10 - Lunch 1:10 - 2:00 - Network Management (Matt Larsen) 2:00 - 2:10 - Break/setup 2:10 - 5:00 - Moderated WISP roundtable Cost: $0 Ruckus is kindly taking care of the provisions. How to sign up: Email me on or off list. WISPs signed up: CCS Wireless airCloud CalDSL Desert Wireless CV-Access 101 Netlink California Broadband Services Sutter Creek socalwifi.net USA Communications Fire2Wire If you're company name isn't in the list and you're planning on attending, please email me as soon as possible. It looks like we may have to get a bigger room! Thanks, -Kristian --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] where is Meraki a good fit?
A friend of mine has Meraki through a provider here in CA, and I'm curious what others think about them and their niche (particularly those who have found a great niche). Personally, I don't see a solution like this taking off unless there is the right demographic (poorer areas, underserved areas, certain campuses, etc). In main areas covered by 3G and affordable cable / DSL (e.g. $15/mo DSL Extreme), there seems to be little reason to really build out something like Meraki. I could see it in, say, an apartment complex, particularly ones where people are moving in and out and just want temporary access. In these cases, there is a way for the complex to at least pay for part of a wireless solution for their tenants. Another issue I see with Meraki is that for billing, it has to be an open SSID. What about problems such as Firesheep? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep Sure, the credit card info is encrypted, but once someone attaches to the AP, then all of their traffic is clear text. I don't see anything in Meraki (at least the GUI I saw tonight) that prevents this sort of thing. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
