[WISPA] Proflex 195 cable

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Can anyone tell me if LMR195 N connectors will work on this cable?  I am 
assuming no because Proflex is usually a little larger than regular 
cable but what do I know.



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[WISPA] Proflex 195 cable

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
Can anyone tell me if LMR195 N connectors will work on this cable?  I am 
assuming no because Proflex is usually a little larger than regular 
cable but what do I know.



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Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-10 Thread Sam Tetherow
Can't speak to the 2.4GHz gear, but I've been using NS5, NS5loco, and 
various Tranzeo 5GHz gear with 10MHz channels on StarOS for almost 2 
years without issues.

On 2/8/11 10:13 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
 So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs who
 have started to use Ubiquiti products for CPE. I've tried several
 times and the NSM2 won't connect. What am I doing wrong?

 I understand Aggregate needs to be turned off on the CPE.

 I'm running 1.5.15.3b on the AP and I'm running 5.3 on the CPE.

 I'm using 10Mhz channels.

 I can see the AP in a site survey, but it won't associate.

 I've tried turning off superA/G and other special features on the AP.

 Can anyone think what I'm missing?

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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[WISPA] Orlando Suggestion

2011-02-10 Thread Rick Harnish
Several people have contacted me about finding a person to share a room with
in Orlando.  I recommend that those interested in shaving some expense off
the trip, to use the WISPA Classified Ads
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2297  to find a roommate.  These ads are
moderated by yours truly to keep spam ads out, but it usually doesn't take
me long to approve them.  I would rather people double up than not come at
all.  It is really shaping up to be a great summit in a WARM climate.

 

Attend http://fispawispaspring2011.eventbrite.com/  the Orlando Service
Provider Summit March 23-25

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Marco Coelho
that would be one of the problems.

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netwrote:

  “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the
 airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the radio
 spectrum http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama to
 commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly
 $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that
 include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public
 safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access
 high-speed wireless.”



 Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106
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 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Marco Coelho

 *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
 *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world




 Here's some more:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


 my response:

 Dear Mr. President,

 I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company.
 I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13
 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas.
 So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers
 but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess
 things up.

 Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
 still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
 pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
 monies and squandered.

 Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
 with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
 asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
 bands that us WISPs use.

 Marco Coelho
 President,
 Argon Technologies Inc.


 --
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 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
$10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public 
Safety???   Hahahaha   Motorola will eat that up just putting 
equipment in for NYC, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC.


Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be 
funny.  Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs


-B-



On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:


Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the 
airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on 
theradiospectrum 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obamato 
commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise 
nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on 
initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband 
network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure 
to help rural areas access high-speed wireless.


Doesn't this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho

*Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
*To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world


Here's some more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


my response:

Dear Mr. President,

I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) 
company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears 
for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously 
unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done 
nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using 
the peoples money to mess things up.


Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but 
it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We 
may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was 
purchased with the peoples monies and squandered.


Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it 
came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, 
also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the 
unlicensed bands that us WISPs use.


Marco Coelho
President,
Argon Technologies Inc.


--
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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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[WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Marco Coelho
Here's some more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


my response:

Dear Mr. President,

I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I
have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years.
We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far
your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause
interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up.

Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
monies and squandered.

Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
bands that us WISPs use.

Marco Coelho
President,
Argon Technologies Inc.


-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-10 Thread RickG
Whats the StarOS running on? What type of cards?

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:
 Can't speak to the 2.4GHz gear, but I've been using NS5, NS5loco, and
 various Tranzeo 5GHz gear with 10MHz channels on StarOS for almost 2
 years without issues.

 On 2/8/11 10:13 AM, Roger Howard wrote:
 So I've heard of several people now who are running StarOS APs who
 have started to use Ubiquiti products for CPE. I've tried several
 times and the NSM2 won't connect. What am I doing wrong?

 I understand Aggregate needs to be turned off on the CPE.

 I'm running 1.5.15.3b on the AP and I'm running 5.3 on the CPE.

 I'm using 10Mhz channels.

 I can see the AP in a site survey, but it won't associate.

 I've tried turning off superA/G and other special features on the AP.

 Can anyone think what I'm missing?

 Thanks,
 Roger


 
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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Bob Moldashel

Its amazin' what RF will do to a man...


:-)

-B-




On 2/10/2011 6:12 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most 
of the world


are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky?

I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello 
to put in our leather pants!


marco





On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:


$10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public
Safety???   Hahahaha   Motorola will eat that up just putting
equipment in for NYC, Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC.

Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't
be funny.  Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make
more jobs

-B-




On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:


“Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on
the airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on
theradiospectrum
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obamato
commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would
raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be
spent on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a
national broadband network for public safety agencies and $5
billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access high-speed
wireless.”

Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho
*Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
*To:* us...@wug.cc mailto:us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world


Here's some more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


my response:

Dear Mr. President,

I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP)
company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and
tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of
previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus
moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference
from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up.

Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years,
but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through
it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that
was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered.

Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money,
it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio
spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more
of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use.

Marco Coelho
President,
Argon Technologies Inc.


-- 
Marco C. Coelho

Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Marco Coelho
shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most of
the world

are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky?

I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello to put
in our leather pants!

marco





On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  $10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety???
 Hahahaha   Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC,
 Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC.

 Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be
 funny.  Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs

 -B-




 On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

  “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the
 airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the radio
 spectrum http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama to
 commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly
 $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that
 include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public
 safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access
 high-speed wireless.”



 Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106
   --

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Marco Coelho
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
 *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world




 Here's some more:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


 my response:

 Dear Mr. President,

 I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company.
 I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13
 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas.
 So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers
 but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess
 things up.

 Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
 still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
 pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
 monies and squandered.

 Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
 with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
 asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
 bands that us WISPs use.

 Marco Coelho
 President,
 Argon Technologies Inc.


 --
 Marco C. Coelho
 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the
airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama radiospectrum to
commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly
$30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that
include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public
safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access
high-speed wireless.

 

Doesn't this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 


Here's some more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


my response:

Dear Mr. President,

I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I
have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years.
We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far
your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause
interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. 

Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
monies and squandered.

Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
bands that us WISPs use.

Marco Coelho
President, 
Argon Technologies Inc.


-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036

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Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-10 Thread Roger Howard
Atheros, compex or CM9 cards.

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whats the StarOS running on? What type of cards?




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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread RickG
and I only know 3 chords!

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
 shoot give me 10 billion and in 10 years I'll own and control most of
 the world

 are you thinking what I'm thinking pinky?

 I think so brain, but where are we going to find 50 gallons of jello to put
 in our leather pants!

 marco





 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 $10 billion dollars for a national broadband system for Public Safety???
 Hahahaha   Motorola will eat that up just putting equipment in for NYC,
 Chicago, LA, Dallas, Miami, and Washington DC.

 Prevailing wage and union labor will chew that up so fast it won't be
 funny.  Just like that other multibillion dollar deal to make more jobs

 -B-



 On 2/10/2011 5:44 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

 “Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the
 airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on
 the radiospectrum to commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this
 would raise nearly $30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent
 on initiatives that include $10 billion to develop a national broadband
 network for public safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help
 rural areas access high-speed wireless.”



 Doesn’t this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?



 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106

 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marco Coelho
 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
 To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world



 Here's some more:
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


 my response:

 Dear Mr. President,

 I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company.
 I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13
 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas.
 So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers
 but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess
 things up.

 Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
 still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
 pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
 monies and squandered.

 Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
 with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
 asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
 bands that us WISPs use.

 Marco Coelho
 President,
 Argon Technologies Inc.


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Re: [WISPA] NSM2 StarOS

2011-02-10 Thread RickG
wrap or war?

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote:
 Atheros, compex or CM9 cards.

 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Whats the StarOS running on? What type of cards?



 
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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

2011-02-10 Thread Jack Unger


  
  
Marco, 

Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way
that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken
seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you
so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be
happy to help you with that. 

I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go
to make elected officials aware that "all wireless isn't mobile".
They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and
that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) "toy broadband". 

Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together
and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND
out to Congress?

jack


On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:

  Here's some more:
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama
  
  
  my response:
  
  Dear Mr. President,
  
  I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP)
  company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and
  tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of
  previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus
  moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference
  from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. 
  
  Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years,
  but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through
  it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that
  was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered.
  
  Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money,
  it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio
  spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more
  of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use.
  
  Marco Coelho
  President, 
  Argon Technologies Inc.
  
  
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  Argon Technologies Inc.
  POB 875
  Greenville, TX 75403-0875
  903-455-5036
  




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-10 Thread John Scrivner
 The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make
 it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all
 broadband providers!

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213

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We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any
form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a
New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up
about it.
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