[WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. Thank you in advance for any suggestions! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:52, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. Chances are, most folks here will suggest either Imagestream routers, or something running Mikrotik's RouterOS. I've used both in my network over the last few years, and they both have all the functionality I need (basic routing and firewalling, BGP, and not much else), at prices that beat the pants off even eBay'ed Cisco gear. If you can go into more details on what you actually need your router to do, we'll be able to provide better/more specific suggestions. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
100% sure I would go Mikrotik. The interface is just so unbeatable when it comes to the firewall, it does all the functions you need in this application. Inside most will suggest x86 Outside most will suggest the 1x00 Routerboard Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:56 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 09:52, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. Chances are, most folks here will suggest either Imagestream routers, or something running Mikrotik's RouterOS. I've used both in my network over the last few years, and they both have all the functionality I need (basic routing and firewalling, BGP, and not much else), at prices that beat the pants off even eBay'ed Cisco gear. If you can go into more details on what you actually need your router to do, we'll be able to provide better/more specific suggestions. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti
We are starting to notice an evident limitation with ubiquiti's polling method. It seems that when we have more than about 15 or so subs on an AP (M2) we start seeing extremely low upload from the sub (100-300mbps) even when the sub has almost perfect signal -40db. AP are running 10Mhz wide channel width and are running AirMax. Is anyone familiar with this issue and is there some kind of workaround. We are looking at deploying some M3.65 equipment but are leery if we are going to have the same problem. Any thoughts? Pat CSWEB.NET WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti
We have AP's using 10mhz channel size with 40+ customers and not seeing that problem. Travis Microserv On 7/6/2011 11:11 AM, Pat Nix wrote: We are starting to notice an evident limitation with ubiquiti's polling method. It seems that when we have more than about 15 or so subs on an AP (M2) we start seeing extremely low upload from the sub (100-300mbps) even when the sub has almost perfect signal -40db. AP are running 10Mhz wide channel width and are running AirMax. Is anyone familiar with this issue and is there some kind of workaround. We are looking at deploying some M3.65 equipment but are leery if we are going to have the same problem. Any thoughts? Pat CSWEB.NET WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti
What version are you running on AP and CPE? What kind of range in signals (best is -40, worst is?) Are you utilizing AirMax priorities on the CPE? On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Pat Nix pni...@cnetworksolutions.comwrote: We are starting to notice an evident limitation with ubiquiti's polling method. It seems that when we have more than about 15 or so subs on an AP (M2) we start seeing extremely low upload from the sub (100-300mbps) even when the sub has almost perfect signal -40db. AP are running 10Mhz wide channel width and are running AirMax. Is anyone familiar with this issue and is there some kind of workaround. We are looking at deploying some M3.65 equipment but are leery if we are going to have the same problem. Any thoughts? Pat CSWEB.NET WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti
Make sure all your clients are at least 20DB above noise for maximum capacity on the AP. I was told this by UBNT over a year ago so it may not be entirely accurate nowdays. If you have some weaker clients change their airmax priority to something lower than the rest. This really cleans up the AP. Are you saying the sub has a -40? If so you are way overdriving the AP. We have found the sweetspot to be in the higher -50's. It is possible to have a client overpowering the AP RF wise. Also, 5.3.2 has made a big difference in Signal ccq and quality. I have 2.4 Aps with 60+ customers at 1.5Meg or better service and no problem. Same with 5.8. Biggest 5.8 I have it 67 customers. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 7/6/11 1:19 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We have AP's using 10mhz channel size with 40+ customers and not seeing that problem. Travis Microserv On 7/6/2011 11:11 AM, Pat Nix wrote: We are starting to notice an evident limitation with ubiquiti's polling method. It seems that when we have more than about 15 or so subs on an AP (M2) we start seeing extremely low upload from the sub (100-300mbps) even when the sub has almost perfect signal -40db. AP are running 10Mhz wide channel width and are running AirMax. Is anyone familiar with this issue and is there some kind of workaround. We are looking at deploying some M3.65 equipment but are leery if we are going to have the same problem. Any thoughts? Pat CSWEB.NET - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 2:36 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com mailto:br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
We have units in stock that have dual 10GigE interfaces J --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 2:36 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
At 7/6/2011 04:02 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! Has anyone here used Vyatta? They are the high end of open source routers, and have 10G interfaces. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
My opinion is if you are trusting your network to an open source solution you are taking a lot of faith it will be there tomorrow. Trolling message boards for help when a network supporting 10Gigs of traffic is failing doesn't sound like much fun. I would stick with Mikrotik, Cisco, Juniper, Imagestream, or some combo which has real support. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 7/6/11 4:11 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 7/6/2011 04:02 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! Has anyone here used Vyatta? They are the high end of open source routers, and have 10G interfaces. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Not trying to be trollish, but I would trust Vyatta's support way more than Mikrotik. The fact is Mikrotik, Imagestream, and Vyatta are all built largely on open source components. Out of the three Mikrotik appears to not participate and takes advantage of open source developments put forth by many others that build network appliances based on Linux and other open source software. Vyatta offers a 10gigE platform that they support end to end, software and hardware. Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: My opinion is if you are trusting your network to an open source solution you are taking a lot of faith it will be there tomorrow. Trolling message boards for help when a network supporting 10Gigs of traffic is failing doesn't sound like much fun. I would stick with Mikrotik, Cisco, Juniper, Imagestream, or some combo which has real support. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 7/6/11 4:11 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 7/6/2011 04:02 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! Has anyone here used Vyatta? They are the high end of open source routers, and have 10G interfaces. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
At 7/6/2011 04:18 PM, Justin wrote: My opinion is if you are trusting your network to an open source solution you are taking a lot of faith it will be there tomorrow. Trolling message boards for help when a network supporting 10Gigs of traffic is failing doesn't sound like much fun. Vyatta works both ways. You can download the software and trollthe boards, or you can purchase it as a supported product and they will treat it like any other router product. It seems like a good business model, not that much different from Red Hat (download Fedora, or buy supported RHEL). I would stick with Mikrotik, Cisco, Juniper, Imagestream, or some combo which has real support. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Mikrotik support proper isn't as user friendly, but if it isn't a software\hardware bug, they have excellent consultants available to fix you up. If it is a bug, good luck getting them to admit it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 3:34 PM, Jon Auer wrote: Not trying to be trollish, but I would trust Vyatta's support way more than Mikrotik. The fact is Mikrotik, Imagestream, and Vyatta are all built largely on open source components. Out of the three Mikrotik appears to not participate and takes advantage of open source developments put forth by many others that build network appliances based on Linux and other open source software. Vyatta offers a 10gigE platform that they support end to end, software and hardware. Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My opinion is if you are trusting your network to an open source solution you are taking a lot of faith it will be there tomorrow. Trolling message boards for help when a network supporting 10Gigs of traffic is failing doesn't sound like much fun. I would stick with Mikrotik, Cisco, Juniper, Imagestream, or some combo which has real support. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 7/6/11 4:11 PM, Fred Goldsteinfgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 7/6/2011 04:02 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! Has anyone here used Vyatta? They are the high end of open source routers, and have 10G interfaces. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Can it do linespeed on those? I'd say within 18 months, I'll be looking for a solution with a half dozen 10GigE (with a half dozen to dozen GigE) and can pass through at least 30 gigabit full duplex. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 3:08 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: We have units in stock that have dual 10GigE interfaces J *--- **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_** **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com//* *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:03 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 2:36 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com mailto:br...@apacimports.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Cc: *Roman consulttele...@gmail.com mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- *Bryan Fields* *APAC Imports LLC* Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Imagestream has been very good to us as well. Every bit the Cisco experience, but at a fraction of the cost. Reliability has been excellent. They hum along year after year. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
We've had trouble with Imagestream to Mikrotik OSPF. It seems to break itself every six months or so. Anyone else had to trouble with that? Kevin - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Imagestream has been very good to us as well. Every bit the Cisco experience, but at a fraction of the cost. Reliability has been excellent. They hum along year after year. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Can it do linespeed on those? I'd say within 18 months, I'll be looking for a solution with a half dozen 10GigE (with a half dozen to dozen GigE) and can pass through at least 30 gigabit full duplex. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 3:08 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: We have units in stock that have dual 10GigE interfaces J --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 2:36 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Sorry for the last empty post, the send button in outlook is too close to the text field;-) Maybe in 18 months we will be there but at this point we just have 2 10G ports and 10 GigE ports. Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Can it do linespeed on those? I'd say within 18 months, I'll be looking for a solution with a half dozen 10GigE (with a half dozen to dozen GigE) and can pass through at least 30 gigabit full duplex. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 3:08 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: We have units in stock that have dual 10GigE interfaces J --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when really pushing 10 gig interfaces. We'll be needing them before too much longer! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/6/2011 2:36 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Roman, If you would like to give me a call, I will set you up a read only account on a live running Powerouter 732 and give you a quick tour of Mikrotik RouterOS. This router is running IPv6 and BGP with multiple peers on the WAN and OSPF on the LAN side. It also has a pretty extensive firewall and quite a few bandwidth queues, tunnels, etc. This router has been in service over 4 years now. Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 ext. 102 www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ or http://ipv6.linktechs.net/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Roman Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. Thank you in advance! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11 image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
You can also use demo.mt.lv or demo2.mt.lv any time. At one point it was stable and latest, but MT seems to think 5.5 is both now (many will argue that!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Roman, ** ** If you would like to give me a call, I will set you up a read only account on a live running Powerouter 732 and give you a quick tour of Mikrotik RouterOS. This router is running IPv6 and BGP with multiple peers on the WAN and OSPF on the LAN side. It also has a pretty extensive firewall and quite a few bandwidth queues, tunnels, etc. This router has been in service over 4 years now. ** ** ** ** Jim Patient Link Technologies, Inc. 314-735-0270 ext. 102 www.linktechs.net or http://ipv6.linktechs.net/ [image: Description: cid:image001.png@01CC3C05.841E19D0] ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Roman *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:01 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP ** ** What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of my projects to get budget calculation. For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical characteristics and price. ** ** Thank you in advance! -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3747 - Release Date: 07/06/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ image001.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
Hi Bryan, I'm sorry that your ImageStream experience was not what we strive for. I can assure you that it was not typical. We count our ISP customers in the hundreds...everything from small to ones with thousands of customers. We can fully saturate GigE connections with most packet sizes. We have over 10 years of experience with dynamic routing and building fully redundant networks. We offer telco circuit cards ranging from T1 to OC12 and just about everything in between. I'd love to walk you through the current product line if you have a moment. Regards, Jeff Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com wrote: On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
We have had OSPF issues as well. It seems that every problem Imagestream has seems to stem from the fact that they are using Quagga as the dynamic routing package. I will say however that since they (Imagestream) posted the latest firmware versions with Imagestreams OSPF patches applied, I haven't seen OSPF issues so far. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.netmailto:kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:04:13 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP We've had trouble with Imagestream to Mikrotik OSPF. It seems to break itself every six months or so. Anyone else had to trouble with that? Kevin - Original Message - From: Joe Fieromailto:joe1...@optonline.net To: 'WISPA General List'mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP Imagestream has been very good to us as well. Every bit the “Cisco experience”, but at a fraction of the cost. Reliability has been excellent. They hum along year after year. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP I have used Imagestream routers in what I would consider carrier situations. Have had Imagestreams in VRRP running multiple BGP full feeds and Gigs of traffic per second. Not saying it's a do all solution, but is a serious contender. Add on top the fact you don't need $1000's of dollars a year for smartnet I am happy. Not saying it's your solution, but definitely worth looking at. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.commailto:br...@apacimports.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:05:10 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Cc: Roman consulttele...@gmail.commailto:consulttele...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote: I would like to ask for help of wireless community. We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and middle-price options. It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required. Can you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run? The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap. From a new device purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller deployments. a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in hardware is hard to beat. The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the next big competition to the 7600 from cisco. Junos is amazing to work with compared to IOS too. However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 7750/7710 should be considered too. I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier contender. As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed out of an RFP I was forced into running. It's a neat small office router, but that's all. Again this is all my opinion :) -- Bryan Fields APAC Imports LLC Phone: 800-721-6502 Fax: 727-493-1511 http://apacimports.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
