Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Section 512(a) http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html protects service providers who are passive conduits from liability for copyright infringement, even if infringing traffic passes through their networks. In other words, provided the infringing material is being transmitted at the request of a third party to a designated recipient, is handled by an automated process without human intervention, is not modified in any way, and is only temporarily stored on the system, the service provider is not liable for the transmission. My company is not responsible and I have don't see anything in there that says that we have to do anything in the absence of a subpoena or court order. On 9/26/2011 11:55 PM, Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) wrote: For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Sounds like something my dad would do. I hope to be a dad like that. Builds character! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Our network is NATed and hard to pin down the customer but about a year ago I had one customer who was behind the address the was being complained about that was uploading 20GB a month and it was all torrent. That's a bunch at 256K up. So I called and talked to dad. Explained our AUP on illegal material. The next day the dad brought the Kid to my office and had him sweep my service area floors while I factory restored of his computer to delete all the illegal content. I told the dad that this is not necessary and he informed me that it most definitely was. Since that time they have been great customers and bought several computers and I really appreciate the father making the kid follow the law. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We'll take your advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don't give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We've never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that's a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Well since these people aren't using our servers to keep their illegal software this section should cover it since it's their computer that has the illegal software not ours. § 512(a) Transitory Network Communications Safe Harbor Section 512(a) protects service providers who are passive conduits from liability for copyright infringement, even if infringing traffic passes through their networks. In other words, provided the infringing material is being transmitted at the request of a third party to a designated recipient, is handled by an automated process without human intervention, is not modified in any way, and is only temporarily stored on the system, the service provider is not liable for the transmission. The key difference in scope between this section, transitory network communications under 512(a), and caches, websites and search engine indexes under 512(b), 512(c) and 512(d) respectively, relates to the location of the infringing material. The other subsections create a conditional safe harbor for infringing material that resides on a system controlled by the OSP. For material that was temporarily stored in the course of network communications, this subsection's safe harbor additionally applies even for networks not under the OSP's control. Isn't that what all that means? Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Start reading here for ISPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limita tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal document. Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than anything. Make sure you have a designated agent. All official communication is supposed to go through this agent. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter -Original Message- From: Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) li...@packetflux.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limit ation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Hello, Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2. Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 ghz band its really crowded. The price band is around 10k USD. Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ??? Appreciate your support. Aali WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Alignment can be a pain, but once it's set up it's solid. Make sure they're mounted to something solid. I have one shooting ~3 miles and can push 100/100 Mbps through it. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2. Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 ghz band its really crowded. The price band is around 10k USD. Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ??? Appreciate your support. Aali WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
I wanted to thank everyone for their input. I am trying to summarize what I have found. I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University. http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973. It has many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions. It basically looks that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor laws in the DMCA. There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must follow, up to and including they have to swear under penalty of perjury that what they are sending is correct. If it isn't constructed properly, it is nothing. We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA. Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy. Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response letters and review our policies before implementing them. Thanks again. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Start reading here for ISPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim ita tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal document. Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than anything. Make sure you have a designated agent. All official communication is supposed to go through this agent. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter -Original Message- From: Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) li...@packetflux.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li mit ation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Let me clarify.A 160 Mbps Extendair will give you close to 100 for about 30 percent less with 2 year warranty Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
If I remember correctly that's a re-branded SAF. We have a SAF Lumina 24ghz unlicensed link, and it's been working flawlessly and does exactly what was promised. It's basically the exact same stuff as their licensed radios. 5 KM shouldn't be a problem for 24GHZ, but I think that does depend on where you are, since 24ghz is supposed to be pretty sensitive to rain fade. You may want to look at the SAF Lumina, I think our link was right around $10k, but it can do up to 366Mbps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jawad A Hai Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 Hello, Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2. Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 ghz band its really crowded. The price band is around 10k USD. Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ??? Appreciate your support. Aali WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend $12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps? Small amount of money (in the sense of this project) for a much greater return. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: For 100 mbps fdx? ** ** Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 ** ** 3.65ghz could be an option as well. ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 ** ** 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless* -Original message- *From: *Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00* Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links (ours is less than 2 miles). You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you have no license fees. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend $12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps? Small amount of money (in the sense of this project) for a much greater return. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.commailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
yes, and with good shopping you can get them for way less than $10k Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links (ours is less than 2 miles). You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you have no license fees. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend $12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps? Small amount of money (in the sense of this project) for a much greater return. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.commailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
What makes the Exalt Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such application ? (doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex). ?? (I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz /Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/ -Original message- *From: *Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00* Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
PTP600 does 150 mbps duplex on 30 mhz Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 What makes the Exalt Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such application ? (doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex). ?? (I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.commailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise. There are others but this is my preference. Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits. Also single polarity. -B- On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: What makes the Exalt Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such application ? (doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex). ?? (I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz /Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/ -Original message- *From: *Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00* Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
Cool. Nice this is the info I was looking for.. BTW can u share what one can expect to pay (cost) of such a link ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 7:21 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise. There are others but this is my preference. Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits. Also single polarity. -B- On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: What makes the Exalt Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such application ? (doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex). ?? (I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz /Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/ -Original message- *From: *Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com* To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org* Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00* Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.netmailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise. There are others but this is my preference. Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits. Also single polarity. -B- On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: What makes the Exalt Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such application ? (doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex). ?? (I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate. From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 For 100 mbps fdx? Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.comg...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 3.65ghz could be an option as well. From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 5.4 GHz has to be open. Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split. Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Nick W mailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.comlists-wi...@atomsplash.commailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Eric, If you get some quotes on the legal advice, send an email to the WISPA Board requesting assistance. This obviously affects all WISPs and is something the Board should be willing to help finance. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown I wanted to thank everyone for their input. I am trying to summarize what I have found. I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University. http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973. It has many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions. It basically looks that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor laws in the DMCA. There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must follow, up to and including they have to swear under penalty of perjury that what they are sending is correct. If it isn't constructed properly, it is nothing. We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA. Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy. Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response letters and review our policies before implementing them. Thanks again. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Start reading here for ISPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim ita tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal document. Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than anything. Make sure you have a designated agent. All official communication is supposed to go through this agent. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter -Original Message- From: Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) li...@packetflux.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li mit ation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have seen the all DC thing done a few ways. 1.2 deep cycle batteries for the 24 volt stuff and 1 12 volt for routers. This requires 2 chargers. The advantage is you can power the routers without them overheating, especially the 450's. 2.You can get a box which steps down voltage from 24 to 12. We will be at Vegas and can show you how we do things. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing evdo.hs...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 21:22:19 -0700 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Free WISPA shirt
The next person to register for WISPAPALOOZA wll win a free shirt. Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
