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Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites

[Justin Wilson]

I have seen the all DC thing done a few ways.

1.2 deep cycle batteries for the 24 volt stuff and 1 12 volt for routers.
This requires 2 chargers.  The advantage is you can power the routers
without them overheating, especially the 450's.

2.You can get a box which steps down voltage from 24 to 12.

We will be at Vegas and can show you how we do things.

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> Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets
> see he can chip in some.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo 
> wrote:
>> 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Rick Harnish]

Eric,

If you get some quotes on the legal advice, send an email to the WISPA Board
requesting assistance.  This obviously affects all WISPs and is something
the Board should be willing to help finance.  

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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
> 
> I wanted to thank everyone for their input.  I am trying to summarize
> what I have found.
> 
> I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University.
> http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973.  It has
> many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions.  It basically looks
> that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way
> to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to
> claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor
> laws in the DMCA.
> 
> There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must
> follow, up to and including they have to "swear under penalty of
> perjury" that what they are sending is correct.  If it isn't constructed
> properly, it is nothing.
> 
> We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many
> times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under
> section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA.
> 
> Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer
> information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy.
> 
> Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response
> letters and review our policies before implementing them.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
> 
> Start reading here for ISPS:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim
> ita
> tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs
> 
> The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal
> document.  Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than
> anything.
> Make sure you have a designated agent.  All official communication is
> supposed to go through this agent.
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li
> mit
> >ation_Act
> >
> >In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Gino Villarini]

We haven't seen those issues, rmas are provided without much questions 
asked..., never had an issue with PS either, got them on un vented enclosures

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Honestly. Due to repair issues with Motorola we did not even consider them 
in any of our testing.  And now that the product line has changed hands 
again.. I am glad we didn't.

I know alot of people have had great experience with Motorola.  I was sold on 
the Orthogon line when it first came out and we deployed one of the early 
versions of their PtP links with great results.  Motorola bought them out and 
we got the run around when it came time to get Orthogon equipment repaired. 
Still have 3 or 4 radios in the box that need repair.

In addition, the power supplies run very hot. In a years time we probably go 
through 3-4 power supplies (with 11 links in service).

It might work fine.I just don't know and don't want to get stuck with 
something that may become obsolete or not supported...

-B-



On 9/27/2011 7:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, "Bob Moldashel" 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:
We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and 
Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down 
on false DFS hits related to noise.

There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will 
provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 
65/35 or 80/20 data splits.

Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such 
application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered 
using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?)

:)


Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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To: WISPA General List 
<wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2






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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Bob Moldashel]

Honestly. Due to repair issues with Motorola we did not even 
consider them in any of our testing.  And now that the product line has 
changed hands again.. I am glad we didn't.


I know alot of people have had great experience with Motorola.  I was 
sold on the Orthogon line when it first came out and we deployed one of 
the early versions of their PtP links with great results.  Motorola 
bought them out and we got the run around when it came time to get 
Orthogon equipment repaired. Still have 3 or 4 radios in the box that 
need repair.


In addition, the power supplies run very hot. In a years time we 
probably go through 3-4 power supplies (with 11 links in service).


It might work fine.I just don't know and don't want to get stuck 
with something that may become obsolete or not supported...


-B-



On 9/27/2011 7:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, "Bob Moldashel" > wrote:


We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC 
area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted 
channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.


There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math 
will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate 
with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.


Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios 
for such application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg 
duplex).


??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 
24Ghz link ?)


:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net  


On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get 
up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than 
a Ligowave W4 Ghz


/Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/



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Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2




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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Gino Villarini]

How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, "Bob Moldashel" 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net>> wrote:

We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and 
Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down 
on false DFS hits related to noise.

There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will 
provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 
65/35 or 80/20 data splits.

Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such 
application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered 
using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:  
supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From:  
wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From:  
wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From:  
wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To:  wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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To: WISPA General List 
<wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2




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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Cool. Nice this is the info I was looking for.. BTW can u share what one 
can expect to pay (cost) of such a link ?


Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 9/27/2011 7:21 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC 
area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted 
channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.


There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math 
will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate 
with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.


Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios 
for such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 
24Ghz link ?)


:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


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To: *WISPA General List *
Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2




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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Bob Moldashel]

We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area 
and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or 
shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.


There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math 
will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate 
with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.


Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios 
for such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz 
link ?)


:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Gino Villarini]

PTP600 does 150 mbps duplex on 30 mhz

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such 
application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered 
using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?)

:)


Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for 
such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz 
link ?)


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Mathew Howard]

Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Gino Villarini]

yes, and with good shopping you can get them for way less than $10k

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing 
stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links 
(ours is less than 2 miles).

You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios 
for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you 
have no license fees.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend 
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense of 
this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'

Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Mathew Howard]

The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing 
stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links 
(ours is less than 2 miles).

You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios 
for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you 
have no license fees.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend 
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense of 
this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'

Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Josh Luthman]

Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense
of this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  For 100 mbps fdx? 
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
>
> ** **
>
> 3.65ghz could be an option as well.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Me
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
>
> ** **
>
> 5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440
> aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz
>
> *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
>
> -Original message-
>
> *From: *Nick W *
> To: *WISPA General List *
> Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Gino Villarini]

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Mathew Howard]

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Mathew Howard]

If I remember correctly that's a re-branded SAF. We have a SAF Lumina 24ghz 
unlicensed link, and it's been working flawlessly and does exactly what was 
promised. It's basically the exact same stuff as their licensed radios. 
5 KM shouldn't be a problem for 24GHZ, but I think that does depend on where 
you are, since 24ghz is supposed to be pretty sensitive to rain fade.

You may want to look at the SAF Lumina, I think our link was right around $10k, 
but it can do up to 366Mbps.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Hello,

Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the 
product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 
100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 
ghz band its really crowded.
The price band is around 10k USD.
Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
Appreciate your support.

Aali 




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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Me]

Let me clarify.A 160 Mbps Extendair will give you close to 100 for about  
30 percent less with 2 year warranty


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Me]

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440  
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Eric Rogers]

I wanted to thank everyone for their input.  I am trying to summarize
what I have found.

I found a great informational site maintained by Stanford University.
http://www.chillingeffects.org/piracy/notice.cgi?NoticeID=973.  It has
many links and FAQ for a basis to make decisions.  It basically looks
that if the ISP has a policy regarding copyright infringement, and a way
to track each user, then the ISP is not playing COP, but responding to
claims/accusations and should be protected under section 512 safe harbor
laws in the DMCA.

There are many requirements for the letter the copyright holder must
follow, up to and including they have to "swear under penalty of
perjury" that what they are sending is correct.  If it isn't constructed
properly, it is nothing.

We are drafting a policy regarding receiving the letters, and how many
times we will allow it to occur before we must protect our rights under
section 512 for the safe harbor clause of the DMCA.

Unless there is a legal document requiring us to present customer
information, we will protect our customer's rights and privacy.

Finally, we are seeking some legal advice to help draft those response
letters and review our policies before implementing them.

Thanks again.

Eric


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

Start reading here for ISPS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Lim
ita
tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs

The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal
document.  Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than
anything.
Make sure you have a designated agent.  All official communication is
supposed to go through this agent.

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

>For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read
up
>on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Li
mit
>ation_Act
>
>In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an
affirmative
>defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory
>infringement.
>
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Nick W]

Alignment can be a pain, but once it's set up it's solid. Make sure they're
mounted to something solid. I have one shooting ~3 miles and can push
100/100 Mbps through it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
> Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the
> product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about
> 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5
> ghz band its really crowded.
> The price band is around 10k USD.
> Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
> Appreciate your support.
>
> Aali
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[WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

[Jawad A Hai]

Hello,

Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the 
product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 
100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 
ghz band its really crowded.
The price band is around 10k USD.
Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
Appreciate your support.

Aali 




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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Justin Wilson]

Start reading here for ISPS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limita
tion_Act#Other_Defenses_for_OSPs

The legal advice I have been given has always been e-mail is not a legal
document.  Responding to e-mails is more of a courtesy/CYA than anything.
Make sure you have a designated agent.  All official communication is
supposed to go through this agent.

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From: "Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)" 
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:55:20 -0600
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

>For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read up
>on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limit
>ation_Act
>
>In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative
>defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory
>infringement.
>
>-forrest
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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Andy Trimmell]

Well since these people aren't using our servers to keep their illegal software 
this section should cover it since it's their computer that has the illegal 
software not ours.

§ 512(a) Transitory Network Communications Safe Harbor

Section 512(a) protects service providers who are passive conduits from 
liability for copyright infringement, even if infringing traffic passes through 
their networks. In other words, provided the infringing material is being 
transmitted at the request of a third party to a designated recipient, is 
handled by an automated process without human intervention, is not modified in 
any way, and is only temporarily stored on the system, the service provider is 
not liable for the transmission.

The key difference in scope between this section, transitory network 
communications under 512(a), and caches, websites and search engine indexes 
under 512(b), 512(c) and 512(d) respectively, relates to the location of the 
infringing material. The other subsections create a conditional safe harbor for 
infringing material that resides on a system controlled by the OSP. For 
material that was temporarily stored in the course of network communications, 
this subsection's safe harbor additionally applies even for networks not under 
the OSP's control.


Isn't that what all that means?

Andy Trimmell
Network Administrator
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read up 
on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act

In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative 
defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory 
infringement.

-forrest



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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Andy Trimmell]

Sounds like something my dad would do. I hope to be a dad like that.
Builds character!

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

 

Our network is NATed and hard to pin down the customer but about a year
ago I had one customer who was behind the address the was being
complained about  that was uploading 20GB a month and it was all
torrent.  That's a bunch at 256K up.  So I called and talked to dad.
Explained our AUP on illegal material.  The next day the dad brought the
Kid to my office and had him sweep my service area floors while I
factory restored of his computer to delete all the illegal content. I
told the dad that this is not necessary and he informed me that it most
definitely was.  Since that time they have been great customers and
bought several computers and I really appreciate the father making the
kid follow the law.  

 

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

 

Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We'll take your
advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

 

If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response
to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a
teenager.  I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down
the customer's connection.  If they are a customer who seems reasonable
it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to
lawsuits by movie companies.  I don't mention illegal as to not freak
out most customers.   On the flipside you have the customers who share
files just to be defiant to the RIAA.  I don't have time to debate them.

 

I typically do not pass on the request directly to the
customer.  Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them
they can be bullied into paying money.  I just file these requests away
and do respond to CYA.

 

Justin

 

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From: Andy Trimmell 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

 

Ya we don't give any customer information to anyone. We just
pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We
were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if
they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they
have been downloading copyrighted material. 

 

Does your customers even know they have been doing anything
wrong before a subpoena is made? We've never received any of these until
we switched providers. 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

 

My .02

 

It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement
agency presents paperwork it is.  It is not up to the ISP to be the
Police.  To me that's a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and
what is not.  Let the experts determine that.

 

My response to these is something along these lines:

 

"Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to
cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys
forward all appropriate paperwork to .  

 

If you want to take the extra step throw in there
you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this
customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of
course.  After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from
law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves.

 

The only way I would turn over any sort of customer
info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document.  Lessens your
exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns.

 

Justin

 

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From: Andy Trimmell 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400

Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Scott Reed]

Section 512(a)  protects 
service providers who are passive conduits from liability for copyright 
infringement, even if infringing traffic passes through their networks. 
In other words, provided the infringing material is being transmitted at 
the request of a third party to a designated recipient, is handled by an 
automated process without human intervention, is not modified in any 
way, and is only temporarily stored on the system, the service provider 
is not liable for the transmission.


My company is not responsible and I have don't see anything in there 
that says that we have to do anything in the absence of a subpoena or 
court order.




On 9/26/2011 11:55 PM, Forrest W Christian (PF Lists) wrote:

For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read up
on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act

In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative
defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory
infringement.

-forrest



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