[WISPA] bandwidth in Chicago..

[Chris Stradtman]

Hi all,
Can anybody provide bandwidth in Chicago at...

MCA Warehouse
1747 West Hubbard St
Chicago IL 60622

If so drop me a email and I'll hook you up with the person looking for
bandwidth


Thanks,

Chris Stradtman



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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

[Tom DeReggi]

At the end of the day it boils down to whether its justified for a WISP to 
risk going to court.
Admittedly, any government industry can cause a private company a lot of 
pain, if they want to, if you challenge them.
That is not something someone should consider doing, lightly.

With that said sometimes one must take a stand to defend their rights 
and what they believe in.
Even if not cost effective for their own good, if its for the good of their 
industry.

Just like BrandX, eventually someone had to step up to take it to trial, win 
or loose.
If a WISP was put in a position that they had to go to court, I bet that 
other third party groups would be willing to assist fund the battle behind 
the scenes.
I'm not talking just other WISPs. I'm talking about other big money 
companies that couldn't risk a netneutrality loss on the court record, 
documenting presidence.

My "opinion" is that it would not be wise for the federal enforcement 
agencies to target small organizations to challenge their rulemaking in 
court.
One, It would be a media/publicity nightmare.  Such as  "FCC puts small 
business out of business".
Two, It would be embaressing, and make FCC look weak. "Bully FCC picks on 
the little guy".
Three, Small WISPs would gain more sympathee from Juries than Big money 
Telcos.

In my "opinion" the FCC rule making is not legal. Atleast not for those that 
aren't telecom act defined regulated carriers.  And in my opinion, a WISP 
could simply refuse to comply, and demand that the FCC obtain a court order 
to back their claim of authority. If the FCC came knocking on my door to 
enforce an alledged NetNeutrality issue, I would fight it.

I think the "disclosure portion" is the one good part of the FCC rulemaking. 
For that reason, I plan to comply with the disclosure portion, just because 
it makes good sense to do it anyway. Not to mention it would be just plain 
stupid not to comply to such an easy request, which would be almost like 
"requesting a challenge", not to cooperate on such an easy request.  Plus, 
not disclosing info could open up a WISP to legal issues covered by laws not 
related to NetNeutrality, such as truth in advertising. Disclosure should be 
vague, so not to self inciminate more than necessary.

But as far as complying to the other rules of NetNeutrality, I am going to 
operate my network the way I want to, and I'm not going to change that, 
unless I'm forced to.

Please note, in general I respect the FCC's authority, and my viewpoint 
stated herein is strictly relating to "NetNeutrality".

Hopefully, I as well as other WISPs will operate their networks fairly, so 
this issue never has to come up. So many issues could be defended by 
"reasonable network mangement", to defend oneself without the need for 
court.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Iacopi" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality


Hi there,

Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for
the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however, the way
it is currently written, if you provide internet service (which I believe we
all do) you are suppose to comply.  I also agree that it is a flagrant
overreach for the FCC but until it is overruled it is in place.  Got to love
the Governments "protection" of the small business owner.

Thanks

Tony Iacopi


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Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:55 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

"The fact that the DC Circuit (their motto: "We hate the FCC") got the case
raises the odds even more."

LOL...have I mentioned how much I enjoy having you back on lists Fred?


Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

At 10/25/2011 07:43 PM, Matt Larsen wrote:

If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you.

As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality does
not apply to you. You paid for it, you can do what you want with it.

Legally, per the letter of the Communications Act, that's true.

The FCC does not agree; Part 8 leaves the original monopoly common carriers
unregulated, but purports to regulate ISP content.

However, I give it a much greater than even probability to be overturned by
a court, because it is so flagrantly illegal. In fact, I think the FCC
expected that to be the result when they wrote it. Politics is funny like
that. Congress and the states pass laws which they know will be overturned,
and the FCC follows their lead.

The fact that th

Re: [WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA

[Tom DeReggi]

I'm not aware of any successful free Wifi project.
If there is one, "success" is defined by "the eye of the beholder", and I'm 
sure the users have a different opinion (harder standard) than the the 
advocates who want to look good convincing the public it was successful. 
Bottom line Network engineering and ongoing support is expensive, in 
unlicensed where the environment can constantly change. Smart Radio self 
diagnose and auto repair functionality is not realistic, because a radio 
only knows how to take care of itself, not considering how it efffects other 
radios it interfers with (which could be the same provider's network). With 
no revenue, there is nothing to pay for maintenance. With no maintenance, 
users get frustrated, and there become few users. With few users, paying for 
it from alternate sources such as "advertising dollars", doesn't work. Even 
subsidized free networks generally wont work because no one would have the 
incentive to really care to make the network work optimally always. 
Engineers make networks work, because if they dont, they loose the needed 
revenue and subscribers that puts food on the table. Take that dynamic away, 
and its a formula for failure.

Nothing is "free". "free" wifi has generally only worked on the scale of an 
individual venue, where as the venue has an alternate source of revenue 
(such as hotel ), and the value add attract customers and higher rates for 
the alternate core business, and its justified for that venue to pay for the 
maintenance of the wifi.

The key is "incentive". What incentive is there, for the WISP to operate and 
support their network well?

The other problem is scale. Wifi does not scale to the level that free wifi 
visionaries think. The more it is scaled the harder it is to make it work. 
Charging a fee is critical to reduce demand.  Free Wifi  was almost an 
acceptable idea when luxary Internet was under 200kbps. We live in a more 
capacity demanding world today. People forget about the little things 
like WIFI APs barely being able to handle 30 subs in ideal situations, 
because of ACK, hidden node, retransmissions, etc, regardless of the 
capacity used.
(unless more expensive true TDD systems are used).  it takes careful 
engineering on a link by link basic to scale and get the capacity out of 
wifi gear, and that isn't free.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Paolo Di Francesco" 
To: "Josh Luthman" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metro wifi for free in USA


> Hi Josh
>
> thank you for your nice reply. :)
>
> I hope that also other WISPs will express an opinion about this topic.
>
> Regards,
> Paolo
>
>
>> 1)  Typically cities try, get bids and the company drops the idea.  It
>> doesn't offer a good return on investment.
>> 2)  Yep, many many times
>> 3)  I would.  I'd lose customers and I'm paying for it to happen!
>> 4)  There are several success stories involving this, I don't have one 
>> myself
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Paolo Di Francesco
>>   wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> I am not from USA and I am very curious about free wifi access in the
>>> metro area in USA. I was wondering:
>>>
>>> 1) is there any metro free wifi access (NY, LA, etc)
>>> 2) I know some time ago some private effort has been done (I guess by
>>> google) but I also remember that those networks miserably failed
>>> 3) would anybody of you complain (as member of your local community) if
>>> your local municipality would offer wifi free using your taxes? And
>>> would you complain as WISP if they would use your taxes to give wifi for
>>> free?
>>> 4) do you see any business in giving 1 hour (or time limited) wifi for
>>> free to users in order to push them to buy more hours? What is the
>>> average amount in terms of hours per day of your customers on the 
>>> hotspots?
>>>
>>> Any information is really appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] EasyUBNT

[Josh Luthman]

I already use my phone for alignment, though...

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> I have not looked at the link/app yet. But...
>
> I wonder whether the value is as much abilty to access the UBNT remotely for
> maintenance? Such as formatted for Phone screen size.
> Someone always carriers a phone, but not always a laptop.
>
> For installation, I question whether the "config" feature is easier, having
> to type on small phone keyboards That gives me a head ache.
>
> But I surely see the benefit of alignment from a cell phone. I really hate
> it, when the laptop gets dropped over the edge of the roof :-(
> One case of that would pay for the software for 10-15 cell phones.
>
> Although many will argue, thats the point of the embedded LEDs.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Luthman
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] EasyUBNT
>
> I see the stats and such but I don't see a difference between it and the web
> interface already there from an installer point of view.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Oct 30, 2011 6:24 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>> Watch the videos...it'll give you more.  I agree the price is
>> steep...but if it makes life easier on my 1 man crews, so be it.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > $40 per phone?  That's insane.  All it does is put the information in
>> > application in place of using the browser.
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>> >> Apparently Alignment and Configuration.  I'm not sure though, he just
>> >> sent me the link.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Chuck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Used for alignment?
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>> On Oct 30, 2011 5:33 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>> 
>>  One of my installers has been using this neat tool.  It's for the
>>  Droid.
>> 
>>  http://www.easyubnt.com
>> 
>>  Makes it easier on him for sure.
>> 
>>  Regards,
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] EasyUBNT

[Tom DeReggi]

I have not looked at the link/app yet. But...

I wonder whether the value is as much abilty to access the UBNT remotely for 
maintenance? Such as formatted for Phone screen size.
Someone always carriers a phone, but not always a laptop.

For installation, I question whether the "config" feature is easier, having to 
type on small phone keyboards That gives me a head ache. 

But I surely see the benefit of alignment from a cell phone. I really hate it, 
when the laptop gets dropped over the edge of the roof :-(
One case of that would pay for the software for 10-15 cell phones.

Although many will argue, thats the point of the embedded LEDs. 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] EasyUBNT


  I see the stats and such but I don't see a difference between it and the web 
interface already there from an installer point of view.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Oct 30, 2011 6:24 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

Watch the videos...it'll give you more.  I agree the price is
steep...but if it makes life easier on my 1 man crews, so be it.
Regards,

Chuck



On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> $40 per phone?  That's insane.  All it does is put the information in
> application in place of using the browser.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>> Apparently Alignment and Configuration.  I'm not sure though, he just
>> sent me the link.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>> Used for alignment?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2011 5:33 PM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

 One of my installers has been using this neat tool.  It's for the 
Droid.

 http://www.easyubnt.com

 Makes it easier on him for sure.

 Regards,

 Chuck
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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Josh Luthman]

Moving TO the DR series?

I expect you are not moving the the DR series =)

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
> I am moving the the DR series because of form factor only.  I like the
> 155 series, the are just bigger.
> There is a DIN rail mount for them as well.
> Yes, they keep the batteries charged and use the batteries to power the
> equipment when there is no AC.
> Has an adjustment pot for output voltage as well.
>
> On 10/31/2011 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> That looks like a better solution then the DR-UPS40 and SDR-120-24
>> that you recommended earlier.  Is it?  Does it charge the batteries
>> and will it feed the equipment from the batteries when AC power is
>> out?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
>>> Try MeanWell AD-155C
>>> Also gives you battery backup capability.
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2011 2:25 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Need a little more current than that
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Kristian Hoffmann"
>>> To:
>>> Subject: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply
>>> Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power supply.
>>> (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 6”x1.25”x2.75”.
>>> We have a client that wants the power supplies placed in a “sleeve” or
>>> otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically used zip ties or plumbers
>>> tape.  They want them more secured than with a simple “strap” across them
>>> holding them to the wall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a source for such a thing?
>>>
>>> If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...
>>>
>>> http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html
>>>
>>> They sell brackets for them as well.
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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Scott Reed]

I am moving the the DR series because of form factor only.  I like the 
155 series, the are just bigger.
There is a DIN rail mount for them as well.
Yes, they keep the batteries charged and use the batteries to power the 
equipment when there is no AC.
Has an adjustment pot for output voltage as well.

On 10/31/2011 3:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That looks like a better solution then the DR-UPS40 and SDR-120-24
> that you recommended earlier.  Is it?  Does it charge the batteries
> and will it feed the equipment from the batteries when AC power is
> out?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
>> Try MeanWell AD-155C
>> Also gives you battery backup capability.
>>
>> On 10/31/2011 2:25 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>>
>> Need a little more current than that
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Kristian Hoffmann"
>> To:
>> Subject: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply
>> Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm
>>
>>
>> On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:
>>
>> Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following…
>>
>>
>>
>> We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power supply.
>> (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 6”x1.25”x2.75”.
>> We have a client that wants the power supplies placed in a “sleeve” or
>> otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically used zip ties or plumbers
>> tape.  They want them more secured than with a simple “strap” across them
>> holding them to the wall.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anybody have a source for such a thing?
>>
>> If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...
>>
>> http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html
>>
>> They sell brackets for them as well.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

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On 10/31/2011 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> That looks like a better solution then the DR-UPS40 and SDR-120-24
> that you recommended earlier.  Is it?  Does it charge the batteries
> and will it feed the equipment from the batteries when AC power is
> out?
>

The AD-155 will charge the batteries to whatever you set output voltage 
to.  By default, it's set to 24.0V (on the B model) so your batteries 
will never fully charge.  You have to set it to whatever you choose for 
your float voltage (like 27.6V) to get a full charge.  On AC power loss, 
the output remains tied to the batteries and will power your equipment 
(unregulated) until the batteries are nearly fully discharged.  A 
variable LVD would be nice, but it does completely shut down once the 
batteries have hit the low mark, instead of cycling on/off as you 
battery turns to mush.

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Josh Luthman]

That looks like a better solution then the DR-UPS40 and SDR-120-24
that you recommended earlier.  Is it?  Does it charge the batteries
and will it feed the equipment from the batteries when AC power is
out?

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:
> Try MeanWell AD-155C
> Also gives you battery backup capability.
>
> On 10/31/2011 2:25 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>
> Need a little more current than that
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Kristian Hoffmann" 
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply
> Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm
>
>
> On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:
>
> Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following…
>
>
>
> We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power supply.
> (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 6”x1.25”x2.75”.
> We have a client that wants the power supplies placed in a “sleeve” or
> otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically used zip ties or plumbers
> tape.  They want them more secured than with a simple “strap” across them
> holding them to the wall.
>
>
>
> Does anybody have a source for such a thing?
>
> If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...
>
> http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html
>
> They sell brackets for them as well.
>
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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Scott Reed]

Try MeanWell AD-155C
Also gives you battery backup capability.

On 10/31/2011 2:25 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

Need a little more current than that

- Reply message -
From: "Kristian Hoffmann" 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply
Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm


On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:


Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following…

We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power 
supply.  (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 
6”x1.25”x2.75”.  We have a client that wants the power supplies 
placed in a “sleeve” or otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have 
typically used zip ties or plumbers tape.  They want them more 
secured than with a simple “strap” across them holding them to the wall.


Does anybody have a source for such a thing?



If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...

http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html

They sell brackets for them as well.

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

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On 10/31/2011 11:25 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
> Need a little more current than that
>
I assumed it was a Horizon Compact, and I thought they only ran at about 
25W.  Either way, they come in larger sizes...

http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-100-48-power-supply.html

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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Sam Tetherow]

It is more than just usage.  Bandwidth is now less than 12% of my 
monthly operating expense.  There is customer service, support 
infrastructure, tower leases, office lease, billing expense, taxes, 
regulatory expense, insurance.


Even if they are under average on usage, don't call tech support and pay 
their bill on time, it is still costing you money in potential lost 
revenue.  If you acknowledge and allow this they will tell people and 
the practice will spread.


The only way I would ever allow this would be if the customer paid by 
the bit, not tiered service, but literally by the bit otherwise they are 
taking money out of your pocket.


On 10/31/11 12:23 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
If the combined usage of the two households is well above average, It 
makes sense to take some kind of action.


But, if the combined usage of the two households is in the lower 50%, 
and as long as you never
hear from the non-customer household, and there aren't any problems 
you have to fix because
of the second household, maybe it doesn't make sense to alienate a 
paying customer.


Yes, they are violating your TOS, but perhaps they didn't really READ 
them, just skipped to the bottom and signed,

like most of us have done some time or another (especially with software).

If there usage could be mistaken for a single household, are the costs 
to service
them really higher?  Would servicing the second household with a 
second distant
link be better for everyone, or is the solution they have in place now 
reasonable?


If the usage is higher, maybe offer them a rate that takes that into 
account but is still a better deal

than each buying along and you having to install another link?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Matt > wrote:


What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.

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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[lakel...@gbcx.net]

Need a little more current than that

- Reply message -
From: "Kristian Hoffmann" 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply
Date: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 2:04 pm
On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:





Maybe someone on the list has a good source
for the following…

We are looking for some sort of a mounting
bracket for a power supply.  (Happens to be for a DragonWave
radio)  The power supply is 6”x1.25”x2.75”.  We have a client
that wants the power supplies placed in a “sleeve” or
otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically used zip
ties or plumbers tape.  They want them more secured than with
a simple “strap” across them holding them to the wall.

Does anybody have a source for such a
thing?




If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...



http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html



They sell brackets for them as well.



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Re: [WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On 10/31/2011 09:10 AM, Kevin Owen wrote:


Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following...

We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power 
supply.  (Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 
6"x1.25"x2.75".  We have a client that wants the power supplies placed 
in a "sleeve" or otherwise mounted to the wall.  We have typically 
used zip ties or plumbers tape.  They want them more secured than with 
a simple "strap" across them holding them to the wall.


Does anybody have a source for such a thing?



If you don't mind replacing the power supply along with it...

http://www.powergatellc.com/mean-well-rs-50-48-power-supply.html

They sell brackets for them as well.

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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Kevin Sullivan]

Tell them that:

a) They are responsible for everything that goes out over that router, if 
anything illegal occurs, it's their problem
b) It'll slow them down to have that second person on their service.

And then offer to just downgrade their service level and give their neighbor 
an account of their own. If they don't want to, we won't stop them, but we 
also won't work on their service while the second person is connected, since 
that is an unsupported configuration. It's always gone away eventually for 
us.

Kevin



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From: "Matt" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:56 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet


> What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
> router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
> sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
> about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Jim Patient]

What???  So why not get one connection for the whole neighborhood to
split up?  2 houses is 2 customers.  I would double their bill and let
them split that and I don't care if they use 1M/mth.  It's steeling
service and I look at it as if they are taking xmas presents directly
from under my grand children's tree!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dorn Hetzel
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

 

If the combined usage of the two households is well above average, It
makes sense to take some kind of action.

 

But, if the combined usage of the two households is in the lower 50%,
and as long as you never

hear from the non-customer household, and there aren't any problems you
have to fix because

of the second household, maybe it doesn't make sense to alienate a
paying customer.

 

Yes, they are violating your TOS, but perhaps they didn't really READ
them, just skipped to the bottom and signed,

like most of us have done some time or another (especially with
software).

 

If there usage could be mistaken for a single household, are the costs
to service

them really higher?  Would servicing the second household with a second
distant

link be better for everyone, or is the solution they have in place now
reasonable?

 

If the usage is higher, maybe offer them a rate that takes that into
account but is still a better deal

than each buying along and you having to install another link?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:

What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.

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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Ben Royer]

The other issue one of my techs pointed out is if there is a legal problem 
such as illegal downloads or child pornography done on the 'shared' 
household, the 'owner' household should be prepared to suffer the 
consequences of the law.  I'd make that information common knowledge to the 
'owner' household.

Thank You,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

It's Theft of Service any way you look at it... Tell them to stop
doing it or you'll remove the connection.

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Dorn Hetzel  wrote:
> If the combined usage of the two households is well above average, It 
> makes
> sense to take some kind of action.
> But, if the combined usage of the two households is in the lower 50%, and 
> as
> long as you never
> hear from the non-customer household, and there aren't any problems you 
> have
> to fix because
> of the second household, maybe it doesn't make sense to alienate a paying
> customer.
> Yes, they are violating your TOS, but perhaps they didn't really READ 
> them,
> just skipped to the bottom and signed,
> like most of us have done some time or another (especially with software).
> If there usage could be mistaken for a single household, are the costs to
> service
> them really higher?  Would servicing the second household with a second
> distant
> link be better for everyone, or is the solution they have in place now
> reasonable?
> If the usage is higher, maybe offer them a rate that takes that into 
> account
> but is still a better deal
> than each buying along and you having to install another link?
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
>> router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
>> sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
>> about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
>>
>> What do others do?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Chuck Hogg]

It's Theft of Service any way you look at it... Tell them to stop
doing it or you'll remove the connection.

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Dorn Hetzel  wrote:
> If the combined usage of the two households is well above average, It makes
> sense to take some kind of action.
> But, if the combined usage of the two households is in the lower 50%, and as
> long as you never
> hear from the non-customer household, and there aren't any problems you have
> to fix because
> of the second household, maybe it doesn't make sense to alienate a paying
> customer.
> Yes, they are violating your TOS, but perhaps they didn't really READ them,
> just skipped to the bottom and signed,
> like most of us have done some time or another (especially with software).
> If there usage could be mistaken for a single household, are the costs to
> service
> them really higher?  Would servicing the second household with a second
> distant
> link be better for everyone, or is the solution they have in place now
> reasonable?
> If the usage is higher, maybe offer them a rate that takes that into account
> but is still a better deal
> than each buying along and you having to install another link?
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
>> router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
>> sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
>> about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
>>
>> What do others do?
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Dorn Hetzel]

If the combined usage of the two households is well above average, It makes
sense to take some kind of action.

But, if the combined usage of the two households is in the lower 50%, and
as long as you never
hear from the non-customer household, and there aren't any problems you
have to fix because
of the second household, maybe it doesn't make sense to alienate a paying
customer.

Yes, they are violating your TOS, but perhaps they didn't really READ them,
just skipped to the bottom and signed,
like most of us have done some time or another (especially with software).

If there usage could be mistaken for a single household, are the costs to
service
them really higher?  Would servicing the second household with a second
distant
link be better for everyone, or is the solution they have in place now
reasonable?

If the usage is higher, maybe offer them a rate that takes that into
account but is still a better deal
than each buying along and you having to install another link?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:

> What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
> router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
> sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
> about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
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[WISPA] Bandwidth Caps

[Matt]

Those doing bandwidth caps how do you handle them?  Do bill those that
go over or do you throttle them?  Many of our users prepay a year etc
to receive a discount.  Makes billing a hastle.  Thought it would be
better to throttle them based on there last 30 days of usage.  Just
curious how others are doing it?



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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Cameron Crum]

What would you do if you caught someone taking a computer out of your
office?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

> Let them know that it is against the TOS of service and if they continue
> you will disconnect them.
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> On 10/31/11 11:56 AM, Matt wrote:
> > What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
> > router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
> > sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
> > about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Sam Tetherow]

Let them know that it is against the TOS of service and if they continue 
you will disconnect them.

On 10/31/11 11:56 AM, Matt wrote:
> What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
> router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
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> about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
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[WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

[Matt]

What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.

What do others do?



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[WISPA] mounting bracket for power supply

[Kevin Owen]

Maybe someone on the list has a good source for the following...

We are looking for some sort of a mounting bracket for a power supply.  
(Happens to be for a DragonWave radio)  The power supply is 6"x1.25"x2.75".  We 
have a client that wants the power supplies placed in a "sleeve" or otherwise 
mounted to the wall.  We have typically used zip ties or plumbers tape.  They 
want them more secured than with a simple "strap" across them holding them to 
the wall.

Does anybody have a source for such a thing?

Thanks,

Kevin




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