[WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to the next, forming a continuous L2 network. Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. I could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to see traffic from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could see OSPF multicast traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few devices that are bridged or switched in on the other side of the link. The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on the near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot and a few minutes later, everything is back to normal. I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves? Thanks, -Troy ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? 7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet." It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way. For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified." That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network—a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks." If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks. But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today. According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with." So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens. Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox. Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another. As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed—just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia." It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize tha
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
At 7/31/2012 08:57 AM, Cliff Lebouef wrote: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? 7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal Yes, Crovitz' article got some serious reactions from the people who were actually there, the Internet old timers. He began by confusing "Ethernet" with "Internet", perhaps because they rhyme and are both high-techy things, which to a finance guy like him make them equivalent. Then he completely distorts the history of the ARPANET and how the Internet evolved from it. He wasn't there. I was, and I was at BBN in the 1970s when we were building the ARPANET for the government. And I was at BBN in 1994 when they bought three of the previously government-sponsored NSFnet regional nets from their university owners and created a commercial ISP business. Just goes to show you that when Rupert Murdoch wants to spread a lie, he'll spread a real whopper. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
I think the point of the article is once big government got out of the way, private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and it flourished. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government. At 7/31/2012 08:57 AM, Cliff Lebouef wrote: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? 7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal Yes, Crovitz' article got some serious reactions from the people who were actually there, the Internet old timers. He began by confusing "Ethernet" with "Internet", perhaps because they rhyme and are both high-techy things, which to a finance guy like him make them equivalent. Then he completely distorts the history of the ARPANET and how the Internet evolved from it. He wasn't there. I was, and I was at BBN in the 1970s when we were building the ARPANET for the government. And I was at BBN in 1994 when they bought three of the previously government-sponsored NSFnet regional nets from their university owners and created a commercial ISP business. Just goes to show you that when Rupert Murdoch wants to spread a lie, he'll spread a real whopper. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
Either way, President Obamas statement that the internet was created so that all companies could make money off the Internet" is patently false. I'm not one that disregards the positive things that have come out of (particularly) government defense and space spending, but those are side benefits, not the primary purpose. Regards, Jeff Sales Manager, Blue Technology 574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can) 574-220-7826 (Cell) +1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government. At 7/31/2012 08:57 AM, Cliff Lebouef wrote: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? 7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal Yes, Crovitz' article got some serious reactions from the people who were actually there, the Internet old timers. He began by confusing "Ethernet" with "Internet", perhaps because they rhyme and are both high-techy things, which to a finance guy like him make them equivalent. Then he completely distorts the history of the ARPANET and how the Internet evolved from it. He wasn't there. I was, and I was at BBN in the 1970s when we were building the ARPANET for the government. And I was at BBN in 1994 when they bought three of the previously government-sponsored NSFnet regional nets from their university owners and created a commercial ISP business. Just goes to show you that when Rupert Murdoch wants to spread a lie, he'll spread a real whopper. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
At 7/31/2012 09:28 AM, Brad Belton wrote: >I think the point of the article is once big government got out of >the way, private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and >it flourished. Yes, that was the proopaganda point he was trying to make. But it was a flat-out lie when applied to the Internet. The government funded the development of the Internet. The government built and paid to run the Internet for years, for its own purposes. The government then let more and more non-governmental users (NSFnet educational) onto its Internet. All during this time, commercial internets (small-i) could have been built, and some were, but the critical mass of widespread connectivity happened when the government's Internet (big-I) was opened up to the general public, and government funding then ended. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. Crovitz made stuff up that was just totally wrong, two quadrants opposed to the truth. He was no more accurate than Stalin's propagandists. In plain fact, the key move that made any public internet possible was a regulatory decision made by the FCC in the mid-1970s, the Sharing and Resale decision. They ordered AT&T and other LECs to permit private lines to be shared and resold. Before that, a private line could only be run between a single customers' own sites. A line to your own customer was only available to licensed common carriers. A BBNer, Ralph Alter, went out and got FCC approval as the first packet-switched common carrier, PCI, in 1973. Shortly afterwards, BBN itself started up Telenet, while Tyment and Graphnet also got licensed. After the Sharing and Resale decision, becoming an ISP didn't require a common carrier license. Then 1980's Computer II decision forced the Bells to sell "basic" services to competitors if they wanted to offer "enhanced" services. The revocation of that in 2005 led to the NN kerfuffle and the demise of more wireline ISPs. Jeff Broadwick adds, >Either way, President Obama's statement that the internet was created so >that "all companies could make money off the Internet" is patently false. Well, no. His statement, read in context of the full paragraph, clearly meant something else entirely. His "so that" was not meant as "created for the express purpose of", but as its perfectly good alternative meaning "with the effect that". The ARPANET was created *not* to survive nuclear war (it was not a Strategic network) but to permit researchers (at industry and universities, as well as within the government) to share resources. The more decentralized but still subsidized Internet evolved in the 1980s. When it was privatized by the Clinton administration, companies could make then money off of it. (I note that the Romney campaign has been playing the selective editing trick. President Obama was clearly and plainly talking about highways and schools when he said, "you didn't create that", but by editing out that reference and stringing other sentences together, he pretended that Obama told businessmen that they didn't create their own businesses. You can pretty much make anyone seem to say anything that way, as Colbert viewers know.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
He said what he said Fred. He's the guy who's supposed to be the uber-communicator. Did some of it get taken out of context? Perhaps, but the overall context of saying that your success wasn't because you were smart or worked hard was even worse. Back to work now. Regards, Jeff Sales Manager, Blue Technology 574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can) 574-220-7826 (Cell) +1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government. At 7/31/2012 09:28 AM, Brad Belton wrote: >I think the point of the article is once big government got out of >the way, private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and >it flourished. Yes, that was the proopaganda point he was trying to make. But it was a flat-out lie when applied to the Internet. The government funded the development of the Internet. The government built and paid to run the Internet for years, for its own purposes. The government then let more and more non-governmental users (NSFnet educational) onto its Internet. All during this time, commercial internets (small-i) could have been built, and some were, but the critical mass of widespread connectivity happened when the government's Internet (big-I) was opened up to the general public, and government funding then ended. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. Crovitz made stuff up that was just totally wrong, two quadrants opposed to the truth. He was no more accurate than Stalin's propagandists. In plain fact, the key move that made any public internet possible was a regulatory decision made by the FCC in the mid-1970s, the Sharing and Resale decision. They ordered AT&T and other LECs to permit private lines to be shared and resold. Before that, a private line could only be run between a single customers' own sites. A line to your own customer was only available to licensed common carriers. A BBNer, Ralph Alter, went out and got FCC approval as the first packet-switched common carrier, PCI, in 1973. Shortly afterwards, BBN itself started up Telenet, while Tyment and Graphnet also got licensed. After the Sharing and Resale decision, becoming an ISP didn't require a common carrier license. Then 1980's Computer II decision forced the Bells to sell "basic" services to competitors if they wanted to offer "enhanced" services. The revocation of that in 2005 led to the NN kerfuffle and the demise of more wireline ISPs. Jeff Broadwick adds, >Either way, President Obama's statement that the internet was created so >that "all companies could make money off the Internet" is patently false. Well, no. His statement, read in context of the full paragraph, clearly meant something else entirely. His "so that" was not meant as "created for the express purpose of", but as its perfectly good alternative meaning "with the effect that". The ARPANET was created *not* to survive nuclear war (it was not a Strategic network) but to permit researchers (at industry and universities, as well as within the government) to share resources. The more decentralized but still subsidized Internet evolved in the 1980s. When it was privatized by the Clinton administration, companies could make then money off of it. (I note that the Romney campaign has been playing the selective editing trick. President Obama was clearly and plainly talking about highways and schools when he said, "you didn't create that", but by editing out that reference and stringing other sentences together, he pretended that Obama told businessmen that they didn't create their own businesses. You can pretty much make anyone seem to say anything that way, as Colbert viewers know.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
Hi, I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network & I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have been rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be much of assistance with these. What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several of their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to the next, > forming a continuous L2 network. > > Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. I could > see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to see traffic > from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could see OSPF multicast > traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few devices that are bridged or > switched in on the other side of the link. > > The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on the > near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot and a > few minutes later, everything is back to normal. > > I can’t find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for Dragonwave > equipment, so I figured I’d ask here… does anyone have any experience they > wouldn’t mind sharing about Dragonwaves? > > Thanks, > > -Troy > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.
President Obama was clearly and plainly talking about highways and schools when he said, "you didn't create that", The problem lies with that statement itself. They (business owners) did create the highways and schools. Who paid the taxes to build those roads? Who paid the taxes to build those schools? Did business owners get exemptions to not pay for those things? Or did they get taxed at a higher rate because they made more money? As roads are so ubiquitous, and they apparently make business thrive, why do thousands of business fail every year? Are there no roads where they are located? On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: > At 7/31/2012 09:28 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > >> I think the point of the article is once big government got out of >> the way, private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and >> it flourished. > > Yes, that was the proopaganda point he was trying to make. But it > was a flat-out lie when applied to the Internet. The government > funded the development of the Internet. The government built and > paid to run the Internet for years, for its own purposes. The > government then let more and more non-governmental users (NSFnet > educational) onto its Internet. All during this time, commercial > internets (small-i) could have been built, and some were, but the > critical mass of widespread connectivity happened when the > government's Internet (big-I) was opened up to the general public, > and government funding then ended. > > Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own > facts. Crovitz made stuff up that was just totally wrong, two > quadrants opposed to the truth. He was no more accurate than > Stalin's propagandists. > > In plain fact, the key move that made any public internet possible > was a regulatory decision made by the FCC in the mid-1970s, the > Sharing and Resale decision. They ordered AT&T and other LECs to > permit private lines to be shared and resold. Before that, a private > line could only be run between a single customers' own sites. A line > to your own customer was only available to licensed common > carriers. A BBNer, Ralph Alter, went out and got FCC approval as the > first packet-switched common carrier, PCI, in 1973. Shortly > afterwards, BBN itself started up Telenet, while Tyment and Graphnet > also got licensed. After the Sharing and Resale decision, becoming > an ISP didn't require a common carrier license. Then 1980's Computer > II decision forced the Bells to sell "basic" services to competitors > if they wanted to offer "enhanced" services. The revocation of that > in 2005 led to the NN kerfuffle and the demise of more wireline ISPs. > > Jeff Broadwick adds, >> Either way, President Obama's statement that the internet was created so >> that "all companies could make money off the Internet" is patently false. > > Well, no. His statement, read in context of the full paragraph, > clearly meant something else entirely. His "so that" was not meant > as "created for the express purpose of", but as its perfectly good > alternative meaning "with the effect that". The ARPANET was created > *not* to survive nuclear war (it was not a Strategic network) but to > permit researchers (at industry and universities, as well as within > the government) to share resources. The more decentralized but still > subsidized Internet evolved in the 1980s. When it was privatized by > the Clinton administration, companies could make then money off of it. > > (I note that the Romney campaign has been playing the selective > editing trick. President Obama was clearly and plainly talking about > highways and schools when he said, "you didn't create that", but by > editing out that reference and stringing other sentences together, he > pretended that Obama told businessmen that they didn't create their > own businesses. You can pretty much make anyone seem to say anything > that way, as Colbert viewers know.) > > -- > Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com > ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ > +1 617 795 2701 > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
I've only seen this behavior twice from a Trango radio...it pains me to admit the first time was user error. This happened during a new installation. I was in a hurry.it turned out that one side had "opmode" enabled and the other was not yet turned on! That'll pretty much guarantee one way traffic. The second time was a faulty GigaLINK 11GHz ODU (Serial # 0007). After years of reliable service, this path would at random times begin to lose link lock status on one side. Trango Support was extremely responsive (as always) and ultimately identified which of the four components (IDU or ODU) needed to be replaced. This was not an easy task given the random nature of the problem, but extremely helpful given the location of this link. Trango saved us countless man hours by positively identifying which IDU or ODU was faulty prior to us making the trip out to the site. If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on several of Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common denominators are in play on these links. We have not had the trouble you are seeing with Trango radios. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? Hi, I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network & I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have been rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be much of assistance with these. What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several of their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to the next, forming a continuous L2 network. > > Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. I could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to see traffic from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could see OSPF multicast traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few devices that are bridged or switched in on the other side of the link. > > The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on the near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot and a few minutes later, everything is back to normal. > > I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves? > > Thanks, > > -Troy > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Tranzeo support
A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in and sent me a how-to. Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. YMMV, Dave -- David Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 Corydon, IN 47112 812-738-7007 www.portative.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in > the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, > reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in > and sent me a how-to. > > Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the > TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working > with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of > Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. > > YMMV, Dave > > -- > David Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 > Corydon, IN 47112 > 812-738-7007 > www.portative.com > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an actual detected floor but a calculation. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN / RC-WiFi -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in > the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, > reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in > and sent me a how-to. > > Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the > TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working > with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of > Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. > > YMMV, Dave > > -- > David Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 > Corydon, IN 47112 > 812-738-7007 > www.portative.com > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
The calculation is garbage. I've never seen anything stronger than a -90. That's bogus. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not > an actual detected floor but a calculation. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus > wrote: > > > A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in > > the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, > > reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in > > and sent me a how-to. > > > > Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the > > TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working > > with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of > > Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. > > > > YMMV, Dave > > > > -- > > David Hulsebus > > Portative Technologies, LLC > > 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 > > Corydon, IN 47112 > > 812-738-7007 > > www.portative.com > > > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on several of > Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common denominators are in > play on these links. We have not had the trouble you are seeing with Trango > radios. We've been working with Trango from day one on this issue which is now going on its 10th month with no resolution. Trango seems to believe this a problem with the Broadcom ethernet chipset in the Apex and ApexPlus radios. The problem doesn't seem to be related to our network as we can replace a problematic link with a Trango GigaPlus or DragonWave Horizon Compact and the problem goes away. The only common denominator is those particular Trango models. -- Blake Covarrubias > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? > > Hi, > > I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network & > I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have been > rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be much of > assistance with these. > > What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've > experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several of > their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > >> I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to the > next, forming a continuous L2 network. >> >> Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. I > could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to see > traffic from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could see OSPF > multicast traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few devices that are > bridged or switched in on the other side of the link. >> >> The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on the > near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot and a > few minutes later, everything is back to normal. >> >> I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for > Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any > experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Troy >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but something seems foo there! The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency frequency change on the base. On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an > actual detected floor but a calculation. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in >> and sent me a how-to. >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the >> TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working >> with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of >> Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> -- >> David Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> 812-738-7007 >> www.portative.com >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
Noise doesn't change for different radios, only how it is reported. I can't imagine that you would have -105 on a "busy" tower if even a couple nearby radios are in the same band. Either they are under reporting or the others are over reporting, but it seems low for a "busy" tower. Cameron On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Bret Clark wrote: > Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT > but something seems foo there! > > The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually > worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the > client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency > frequency change on the base. > > On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is > not an actual detected floor but a calculation. > > > > Steve Barnes > > General Manager > > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus > wrote: > > > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in > >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, > >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in > >> and sent me a how-to. > >> > >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the > >> TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working > >> with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of > >> Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. > >> > >> YMMV, Dave > >> > >> -- > >> David Hulsebus > >> Portative Technologies, LLC > >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 > >> Corydon, IN 47112 > >> 812-738-7007 > >> www.portative.com > >> > >> ___ > >> Wireless mailing list > >> Wireless@wispa.org > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > > Wireless mailing list > > Wireless@wispa.org > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
I have 2 Tranzeo TR5a-24's sitting here at the office I would like to see go if anyone wants them hit me offlist. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but something seems foo there! The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency frequency change on the base. On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an actual detected floor but a calculation. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way >> in and sent me a how-to. >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use >> the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love >> working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower >> instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> -- >> David Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> 812-738-7007 >> www.portative.com >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
Kurt, I don't want them!!! Lol. Give me a call when you get a chance. Hopefully no storms this week. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have 2 Tranzeo TR5a-24's sitting here at the office I would like to see go if anyone wants them hit me offlist. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:15 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but something seems foo there! The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency frequency change on the base. On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not an actual detected floor but a calculation. > > Steve Barnes > General Manager > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support > > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way >> in and sent me a how-to. >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use >> the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love >> working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower >> instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> -- >> David Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> 812-738-7007 >> www.portative.com >> >>_ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >_ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >_ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
Kurt and I should be good this week. The weekend and next week is a totally different situation, though =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Joel White. Sent From My Droid < jo...@nexgenaccess.com> wrote: > Kurt, > > I don't want them!!! Lol. Give me a call when you get a chance. Hopefully > no storms this week. > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> I have 2 Tranzeo TR5a-24's sitting here at the office I would like to see go >> if anyone wants them hit me offlist. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> Wavelinc Communications >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> tel. 419-562-6405 >> >> fax. 419-617-0110 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Bret Clark >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:15 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support >> >> Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT but >> >> something seems foo there! >> >> The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually >> worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the client >> didn't automatically sweep if you neede >> d to do >> an emergency frequency change >> on the base. >> >> On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: >> > I am not sure it is. I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is not >> an actual detected floor but a calculation. >> >> > >> > Steve Barnes >> > General Manager >> > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> > On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support >> > >> > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? >> >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus >> wrote: >> > >> >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> >> >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken >> spent >> hours helping, >> >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way >> >> in and sent me a how-to. >> >> >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use >> >> >> the TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love >> >> working with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower >> >> instead of Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> >> >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Hulsebus >> >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> >> 812-738-7007 >> >> >> www.portative.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Wireless mailing list >> >> Wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> -- >> >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org >> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> -- >> >> > Wireless mailing list >> > Wireless@wispa.org >> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> -- >> >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> -- >> >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
If you've ever taken a Tranzeo apart you will see the radio it entirely enveloped in metal. Including metal foil tape used to seal the radio card inside the enclosure with nothing more than a 1/8" hole to plug the pigtail (ufl connector) into the radio card. The NanoBridges on the other hand have a hole behind the dish that lets rf energy in. In my experience the noise floor on a tower is better for Nanostations than NanoBridges. The PowerStations are nearly as good as the Tranzeos for the noise floor. I just replaced 4 Tranzeo links last week with NanoBridges after a lightning strike and in every case they out performed the Tranzeo's, but the noise floor for each NanoBridge is down to -85 to -90 so it's a good thing my signals are -60 to -65. I'm not saying Tranzeo doesn't have any issues, just that when doing 4 PtP links in 5.7-5.8 GHz with NanoBridges, plus 2 Rocket M Ap's on 120 deg antennas and 2 Nanostation M5 AP's. There's not a lot of wiggle room for more. Dave Hulsebus On 7/31/2012 12:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping, >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in >> and sent me a how-to. >> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing. I still use the >> TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working >> with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of >> Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85. >> >> YMMV, Dave >> >> -- >> David Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 >> Corydon, IN 47112 >> 812-738-7007 >> www.portative.com >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- David Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC 1995 Allison Lane, Suite 100 Corydon, IN 47112 812-738-7007 www.portative.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
Interesting. We have a few Apex & ApexPlus radios deployed and haven't seen this. We have preferred to use the GigaPlus in most cases. What are the Apex radios plugged into? (e.g. Cisco, MikroTik Routerboards, switches etc, etc.) Does the cable distance make a difference? Are you seeing this with the SFP port too? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on > several of Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common > denominators are in play on these links. We have not had the trouble > you are seeing with Trango radios. We've been working with Trango from day one on this issue which is now going on its 10th month with no resolution. Trango seems to believe this a problem with the Broadcom ethernet chipset in the Apex and ApexPlus radios. The problem doesn't seem to be related to our network as we can replace a problematic link with a Trango GigaPlus or DragonWave Horizon Compact and the problem goes away. The only common denominator is those particular Trango models. -- Blake Covarrubias > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? > > Hi, > > I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network > & I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have > been rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be > much of assistance with these. > > What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've > experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several > of their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle wrote: > >> I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to >> the > next, forming a continuous L2 network. >> >> Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. >> I > could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to > see traffic from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could > see OSPF multicast traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few > devices that are bridged or switched in on the other side of the link. >> >> The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on >> the > near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot > and a few minutes later, everything is back to normal. >> >> I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for > Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any > experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Troy >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only?
The radios are plugged into Cisco Catalyst 3750, 3550, or 2950 switches. We're using the copper ports. Haven't tested with SFP. I know of another operator with this same issue. I believe he was using Juniper switches. Trango never solved the problem for him either. His workaround was to connect the radios into Juniper routers, and transport his L2 via MPLS. AFAIK he hasn't had any issues with this. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: > Interesting. We have a few Apex & ApexPlus radios deployed and haven't seen > this. We have preferred to use the GigaPlus in most cases. What are the > Apex radios plugged into? (e.g. Cisco, MikroTik Routerboards, switches etc, > etc.) Does the cable distance make a difference? > > Are you seeing this with the SFP port too? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > >> If you are experiencing traffic lockups & Ethernet instability on >> several of Trango's models I would suggest looking into what common >> denominators are in play on these links. We have not had the trouble >> you are seeing with Trango radios. > > We've been working with Trango from day one on this issue which is now going > on its 10th month with no resolution. Trango seems to believe this a problem > with the Broadcom ethernet chipset in the Apex and ApexPlus radios. The > problem doesn't seem to be related to our network as we can replace a > problematic link with a Trango GigaPlus or DragonWave Horizon Compact and > the problem goes away. > > The only common denominator is those particular Trango models. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:31 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Horizon Compact - one way traffic only? >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a DragonWave Horizon Compact, and an AirPair 100 in the network >> & I've never experienced an issue like this on either unit. Both have >> been rock solid since installed. Sorry, but I don't think I can be >> much of assistance with these. >> >> What you described sounds like something I'd see on a Trango. I've >> experienced similar traffic lockups & ethernet instability on several >> of their models. A reboot always 'fixes' it. >> >> -- >> Blake Covarrubias >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Troy Settle wrote: >> >>> I have a backbone with 5 licensed links. Each link is switched to >>> the >> next, forming a continuous L2 network. >>> >>> Yesterday evening, we had a partial breakdown on the very last link. >>> I >> could see traffic /from/ the far end, but the far end was unable to >> see traffic from this side. I could see discovery packets, I could >> see OSPF multicast traffic. I could even see some stuff from a few >> devices that are bridged or switched in on the other side of the link. >>> >>> The last device that was responsive to me, was the Horizon Compact on >>> the >> near side of that last link. Nothing notable in the logs, so I reboot >> and a few minutes later, everything is back to normal. >>> >>> I can't find much of anything in terms of peer-to-peer support for >> Dragonwave equipment, so I figured I'd ask here. does anyone have any >> experience they wouldn't mind sharing about Dragonwaves? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Troy >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
