Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?

[Cliff deQuilettes]

Sorry Another (617) emails from advertisers polluted my personal email . can't 
read what you sent ME :o( DELETING all these Marketing and business people.


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of Eric 
Rogers 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?


I bet it is a Motorola brand tower (made by Rohn).  We had a 100' tower, and it 
is nearly identical to the SSV, except the pads are 45* out from standard SSV.  
You can get a section of that is made with the 45 plate at the top and the 
standard at the bottom to continue building a taller tower if needed.  We chose 
to buy a newer tower than to re-engineer one.



Eric Rogers


[PDSConnect_logo-Connecting You to the World - Signature Logo]

www.pdsconnect.me

(317) 831-3000 x200



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you recognize this tower?



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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Marco Coelho 
> wrote:

tower leg part numbers are marked:  8807379-1 880380-1 880382-1 881569-1  NO 
pics yet



On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

No pictures




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Marco Coelho 
> wrote:



I'm looking at a tower (self supporter) which mechanically looks like one of my 
Rohn SSV towers.  There is not a tower part number plate on the tower, but the 
legs are marked:

880379-1
880380-1
880381-1
880382-1
881569-1

Ideas?



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Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Marco C. Coelho
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POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] Packetflux Generator Controllers

[Cliff deQuilettes]

Sorry Another (617) emails from advertisers polluted my personal email . can't 
read what you sent ME :o( DELETING all these Marketing and business people.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of Gino 
Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:26 AM
To: Af; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] WTB: Packetflux Generator Controllers

Packetflux EOL the Generator controllers

WE are interested in buying any quantities,  offline

tHanks



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt

[Cliff deQuilettes]

ttp://tanjiwireless.com/


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org  on behalf of Tim 
Way 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:01:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt

Art,

So I know of two solid methods that could solve your problem. Neither are super 
awesome and both would involve NAT.

1. IPv6 only to the client with NAT64 and DNS64 to handle IPv4 only connectivity
2. IPv4 CGN Shared Address Space, RFC 6598 100.64.0.0/10, 
and IPv6 Global Unicast running in Dual Stack

Either one would work. I apologize in advance for the long post that follows.

I've only done the configurations on Cisco routers with the radios just passing 
traffic at layer 2. I'd have to check the feature set of your routers routing 
wise but it shouldn't be hard. It also could be built in a lab with static 
routing largely. I think Mikrotik supports NAT64 but again for a lab 
environment any recent Cisco device could be used with IP Services licensing.

Your address plan for your global unicast IPv6 space comes into play. This is 
how I would lab it up including moving routing to the tower with the CPE in 
bridge mode:

Your fictional IPv6 prefix: :::/32

Your NAT64 Prefix: ::cc00::/96

Customer DHCPv6-PD Allocation Prefix: ::aa00::/40
Your fictional customer #1: The Johnson Family, ::aa00:0100::/56
Your fictional customer #2: The Billings' Family, ::aa00:0200::/56

Fictional Tower 1
ISP Mgmt VLAN of CPE: 11, ::bb00:0011::/64
ISP Customer VLAN of CPE: 12, ::bb00:0012::/64
ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 11: ::bb00:0011::1/64
ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 12: ::bb00:0012::1/64

The Johnson Family Setup:
ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: ::bb00:0011::f/64
Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: ::bb00:0012::f/64
Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: ::aa00:010a::1/64
Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: ::aa00:010b::1/64

The Billings' Family Setup:
ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: ::bb00:0011::e/64
Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: ::bb00:0012::e/64
Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: ::aa00:020a::1/64
Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: ::aa00:020b::1/64

1. You'd bridge VLAN 12 through the CPE to customer's WAN interface as the 
native VLAN and put the IP on VLAN 11.
2. If you use static routing and manual address assignment to eliminate 
variables in the lab you'll want to add static routes on the tower router for 
the ::/56 prefixes that would be allocated to each customer. Normally these 
routes will be injected into the routing table at the DHCPv6 router and could 
be distributed from there.
3. The last piece of the puzzle will be adding in the NAT64 and DNS64 devices. 
BIND can do DNS64 and you could use a Cisco router to do the NAT64. You'd want 
the "Customer's Netgear" to use the DNS64 server as it's upstream DNS server to 
ensure that it receives  records for sites that only have A records. This 
is the fragile component of the DNS64 and NAT64 deployment because it requires 
the customers computer or router uses your resolver. You will want to ensure 
the router performing NAT64 is advertising the prefix it is using for NAT64 
into your IGP or that your default routed traffic lands on that NAT64 to ensure 
it is routed correctly.

This should get you a functional IPv6 only customer network that only returns 
 records for all DNS requests. It's a little late so I apologize for any 
mistakes in the addressing. Also I will think about doing this with routing at 
the CPE as well overnight and add that response. I'd be very intrigued to see 
this in a lab environment with the fictional customers all setup to see how 
NAT64 and DNS64 actually works in reality instead of just implementing CGN 
which I see as the less visible or resilient change for the customer. That said 
I see the pure IPv6 deployment with NAT64 and DNS64 as the better long term 
solution if you could reliably ensure your customers use your DHCP server or 
ensure that your tech support says to reset that right away. It also would 
break a customer using OpenDNS to restrict web-sites from their kid's for 
example.

Thanks,

Tim

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Art Stephens 
> wrote:
Tim,

So we are an IPV4 ISP not able to get any more IPV4 address space. We have IPV6 
working in office, and on server network.
I have working windows and linux IPV6 only configured machines but obviously 
they can only access IPV6 capable web sites and such.

But we will need to start assigning IPV6 WAN address to customer routers and 
UBNT radios in radio router mode when we get a CRM that supports IPV6.
I am a little aware of NAT64 but all my googling for NAT64 applications yields 
NAT64 for networks with Public address on one side and private addresses on the 
other.
We try to keep all of our 

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[Cliff Leboeuf]

If you ever wanted to help out a local teacher, this deal was too good for me 
to pass up. I challenge you to do your own and use the Gates matching fund 
offer. Its only good this weekend!

You can search for opportunities in your area via zip code.

- Cliff


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Re: [WISPA] Easiest time clock for part timers

[Cliff Leboeuf]

http://www.fareclock.com


From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Monday, June 23, 2014 at 10:58 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Easiest time clock for part timers

Does anyone have a quick and easy product for a time clock?  We're doing it by 
hand now and it feels like too much time is being wasted.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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[WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[Cliff Leboeuf]

We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a 
recommendation?

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[WISPA] Waves...

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Fun with frequencies…
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/gravity-defying-video-illusion-goes-flow-183609014.html

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Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Ha! Faisal in Miami providing ice suggestions… hehe

From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net
Reply-To: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net, 
WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org 
wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

Seriously consider using RFArmor Shields
They will protect your radios / jumpers and improve performance.

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 2/7/2013 3:08 PM, Troy Settle wrote:
I have a site that’s sitting at about 4500’ that took some pretty serious ice 
damage.

In short, we’re using UBNT’s antennas and the short jumpers that came with 
them.  Lost about a half-dozen of them during a recent storm, which really 
didn’t even qualify as an ‘ice storm.’

What can I do to help protect these jumpers from getting torn up by ice?

What was UBNT thinking when they put the RF connectors on TOP of the rockets?

-Troy




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Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Sure, but I've never know them to be good at it.

From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net
Reply-To: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net
Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013 3:11 PM
To: Cliff LeBoeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.commailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

Hey . Have you not heard of the Jamaican Bob Sledge Team 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 2/7/2013 4:02 PM, Cliff Leboeuf wrote:
Ha! Faisal in Miami providing ice suggestions… hehe

From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net
Reply-To: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net, 
WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org 
wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dealing with ice

Seriously consider using RFArmor Shields
They will protect your radios / jumpers and improve performance.

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 2/7/2013 3:08 PM, Troy Settle wrote:
I have a site that’s sitting at about 4500’ that took some pretty serious ice 
damage.

In short, we’re using UBNT’s antennas and the short jumpers that came with 
them.  Lost about a half-dozen of them during a recent storm, which really 
didn’t even qualify as an ‘ice storm.’

What can I do to help protect these jumpers from getting torn up by ice?

What was UBNT thinking when they put the RF connectors on TOP of the rockets?

-Troy




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Rick, I thought that we did this task, but please tell me how I can
confirm. - Cliff





On 11/28/12 4:45 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

Fred,

I assure you the WISPA FCC Committee is indeed on this.  You make great
points and we appreciate your review. You are definitely correct, that
WISPs
NEED to get on the National Broadband Map NOW!  Those that don't will be
suffering from subsidized competition.  Anyone who does not know who to
contact, drop me a line.  I have contacts now for all states.  Maybe, I
can
get that list up on the WISPA website under WISP Resources.  There is one
now, but it is not complete.  I now have 4-5 names per state I believe.

The guys at towercoverage.com are making it easy and inexpensive to make
your maps and get them uploaded to the National/State Maps as well.

Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org
adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)





 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:17 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!
 
 The FCC's home page ( transition.fcc.gov ) has an item about Connect
America
 Fund, posted with no description.  This turns out to be a further NPRM
about
 Phase I funding.
 
 As you may recall, CAF Phase I was the short-term (2012) step that
offered
 $775 per line to price-cap ILECs (the Bells and other big
 ones) to bring broadband to unserved areas that they otherwise
wouldn't. It
 was budgeted for $300M but only about $115M was claimed, mostly by
 Frontier.  The Bells didn't take much.  CenturyLink however whined that
the
 definition of served should be changed to specifically exclude areas
WISPs, so
 they could get subsidy money to overbuild existing WISPs.  The FCC
turned
that
 one down, though CenturyLink did take money for some other areas.
 
 The new Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking:

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db1119/FCC-12
-
 138A1.pdf
 asks what to do about the remaining Phase I money.  While they could of
 course just not spend it, lowering the USF tax (now around 17%!), that's
not one
 of the two options they are proposing to select from.  One option is to
simply
 add this funding to Phase II, which begins in 2013.  Phase II allows for
 competition in the awarding of funds; there will be a reverse auction,
and
the
 bidder who asks for the least subsidy money gets it.
 
 Most of the FNPRM, however, is devoted to the other option, essentially
a
 second round of Phase I.  They propose changing Phase I rules to
encourage
the
 ILECs to take more money.  There are a lot of questions about details,
but
the
 basic ideas are along these lines:
 
 1)  Redefine unserved to be anywhere that doesn't have 4/1 service,
vs.
 768k/200k in the first round.  This would be based on the National
Broadband
 Map, using 3M/768k as a surrogate for 4/1.  (The agencies apparently
hadn't
 agreed on speed tiers.)  So an area served by a WISP at 2M/500k, or by
Canopy
 100s, would be deemed unserved, since it's not 4/1.
 
 2)  Allow challenges to the national map.  So if an ILEC thinks an area
is
 unserved even if a WISP claims it's served, they can argue the matter to
the
 FCC.  This works both ways, so I suppose an ISP could claim that the map
 omitted them by mistake.  But it points out that a WISP SHOULD MAKE SURE
 ITS COVERAGE AREAS ARE ON THE MAP!  (Just a little shouting in case
anyone
 didn't hear it.)
 
 They are supposed to come out with a list of unserved areas (census
 blocks0 next month.
 
 There are some other interesting details.  Phase I awards are $775 per
new
 customer.  That number may be adjusted in this second round.  Also, in
areas
 served by (rural, subsidized) Rate of Return Carriers, the subsidy
number
comes
 from the FCC's High Cost Proxy Model.  In Phase 2, these areas get
subsidized
 according to a more elaborate cost model now being debated.
 
 There is also the possibility that the Phase I recipient may have to
build
a
 certain amount of second mile (basically, exchange feeder
 fiber) as well as last mile distribution.  But there's no clear
obligation to make
 this available at wholesale, which would be nice.
 They also ask about how to handle builds that have to go through served
areas
 in order to reach unserved ones.  So even if you're on the map, you
could
get
 overbuilt by the ILEC.
 
 Note that a Phase I awardee must apply to serve specific unserved areas
and
 applies to serve a certain number of unserved subscribers,
 *but* they do not actually have to use it where they said they would.
The
 applications are merely suggestions of where they might
 find their unserved customers.   They can actually spend it
 elsewhere, so long as they get at least one customer added per

[WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?

7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal

A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: 
If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that 
happen. He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to 
bridges and roads, adding: The Internet didn't get invented on its own. 
Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money 
off the Internet.

It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is 
that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even 
in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation 
happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even 
once the government gets out of the way.

For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the 
presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of 
radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled As 
We May Think, Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: 
Build what he called a memex through which wholly new forms of encyclopedias 
will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, 
ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified.

That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect 
separate physical communications networks into one global network—a world-wide 
web. The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's 
Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining 
communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. 
Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow 
technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: The creation of the Arpanet 
was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An 
Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks.

If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed 
the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit 
for hyperlinks.

But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: 
Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the 
Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there 
also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical 
user interface that still drives computer usage today.

According to a book about Xerox PARC, Dealers of Lightning (by Michael 
Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to 
connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. We have a more 
immediate problem than they do, Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch 
in 1973. We have more networks than they do. Mr. Shoch later recalled that 
ARPA staffers were working under government funding and university contracts. 
They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior 
to contend with.

So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in 
the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of 
business and how innovation actually happens.

Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling 
copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people 
in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs 
negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 
million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the 
Xerox PARC innovations. They just had no idea what they had, Jobs later said, 
after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by 
Xerox.

Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually 
had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console 
themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one 
technology era to another.

As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a 
remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was 
closed—just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 
1999: The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large 
government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol 
for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a 
decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most 
important technological revolutions of the millennia.

It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often 
wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize that 
building great 

[WISPA] Mail Migration to Google Apps

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I have a customer looking for assistance moving the following mail data to 
Goggle Apps.
MS Exchange: 313 Mailboxes - 550 GB of data
ProofPoint: 686 Mailboxes -  3 TB

Does anyone have experience and suggestions or recommendations to assist me 
with this migration please send off-list.

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[WISPA] FCC report blasts T-Mobile merger, ATT cries about it

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Boo hoo!
http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/30/fcc-report-att-t-mobile-merger/




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[WISPA] Boost Your WiFi Signal Using Only a Beer Can

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Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I didn't think much flame would be generated with the post I initiated. I just 
thought the idea is refreshing.

Regardless if you are conservative or liberal, or anywhere in between, I DO 
think that congress should have to live by the laws and overall general spirit 
in which they enact on their constituents.

We know this is not the case.


From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:39:02 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense

This thread is way off topic; can we try not to turn WISPA into a political 
flamefest?

At 9/19/2011 01:22 AM, JoshL wrote:
I think you have way too much faith in these people and others.

I simply can't agree that anyone voting things into action these days can 
honestly believe it is for the better of our economy, sociology or country.

Why they are doing this I have no idea.  It is what it is, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Tom DeReggi  
wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netmailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

To explain my mentality on that...

I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good 
for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good.  If 
they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place.  Many 
have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling 
out their beliefs.  Most people when they have a decent amount of money that 
affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, 
for them to stay strong to their morals.  The issue comes when a congressman 
has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be 
more important to a congressman that is also a mother or father. They want to 
provide for their family to the best of their abilty. They want to get their 
kids in a good college. Etc etc. What I've observed is that most corruption 
doesn't happen for millions or billions of dollars of profit for the guy that 
looked the other way.  Its usually a few thousand here or there of indirect 
benefits, that starts to add up. Saving a $1000 here or there helps. Sometimes, 
the corrupted person doesn't even realise they are being corrupt, it just 
sneaks up on them.  Maybe it was just pulling a strong to get a kid accpeted to 
a school. Or maybe a trip that gets doubled as a vacation. But I beleive that 
if a salary will cover every basic expense their familiy will want to have a 
good life, and the politician never has to consider, if I do this, how will it 
effect my familly, than it makes it a much easy decission for hte politician. 
Then it just becomes greed against morals. And most politicians, care more 
about public opinion and their status in a community, which is more valuable 
than a buck here or there.  When people get corrupt, its also often because 
they feel discruntled or that something is owed to them for their hard work, 
and never received what they deserved through the standard legal methods, for 
their hard work.

If making the laws for billions of people is not important enough to get a high 
salary what in the world possibly would be? I know self employed truck drivers 
without a high scool diploma that have made $150k per year. Shouldn't an 
untouchable uncorruptable highly educated and publically supported politician 
be able to do better? Why should a football player make millions and a 
politician that got elected by million only get middle class?  IF good educated 
men can make better money going into business or being another lawyer, why 
would they waste their time in congress? How do we get the best people into 
congress? Quite honestly, I beleive a congressman has earned their right to a 
better life, and their employer, (the government and taxpayer) should pay for 
it.

So much rides on the decission of a congressman. Billions of dollars are 
influenced daily. Whats a few extra thousand going to the decission maker, that 
upheld his morals to represent his constituents?

The problem with politicians is not their paycheck. The problem is their lack 
of understanding of the issues to make informed decissions. Or that they are on 
the take by big money lobbiest, and make the wrong decissions for the wrong 
reasons. How does one combat that? Not by attacking the congressman's paycheck. 
The answer is good solid clever lobbying that gains the congressman's 
symnpthee, and preys on his ability to execute sound judgement for the right 
reasons, the reasons he got into politics in the first place.

What I'm not against is putting a limit on how much money political parties can 
receive from a lobbiest or 

[WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they 
can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal 
sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis?

A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one 
freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary.

Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of 
passing.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1




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[WISPA] FCC Refuses to Say Wireless Industry is Competitive (Again)

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Duh……..
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387751,00.asp


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[WISPA] Proof Point to Google Postini

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Does anyone have experience moving from Proof Point email archiving to Postini?

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[WISPA] Gmail Motion :-)

[Cliff Leboeuf]

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html

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[WISPA] Nothing on Ebay

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I can find anything on Ebay. How about NOTHING?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BUY-NOTHING-/200592911741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb444ed7d

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[WISPA] Windows Upgrades

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Early Friday fun…

Guy installed every version upgrade of windows from V1.0 (on MS-Dos 5) to 
Windows 7.

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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics

[Cliff Leboeuf]

It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things 
stay Kosher.

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From: St. Louis Broadband 
li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
Organization: St. Louis Broadband
Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA 
General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:58:06 -0600
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

FYI guys …

The WISPA ByLaws Committee is made up of:

One WISPA Executive Director
Three Attorneys!
Four WISPA Board Members
One Founding Father, well actually I think we have two dads in there …
One Godfather, of Wireless, that is …
Seven Principle Members
Four Vendor Members

~and a partridge in a pear tree~

It is a very nice sampling with some real bright folks!

Just wanted to share ;-)

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/
ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics

[Cliff Leboeuf]

John,

My apology to you and anyone else that may have taken offense to my JOKE. 
Believe me that is all it was meant to be.

However, this society has become so politically correct, and litigious, it dose 
sometimes make me sick. Hence my JOKE of needing so many attorneys on the 
committee to make sure we don't offend ANYONE.

I would consider helping if I can and you think adding me would be helpful. Let 
me know the role, responsibility and commitment needed. Based on what you 
desire, I would only agree if I could commit to be a asset. I'd never agree to 
be on a committee and not participate.

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Computer Sales  Services, Inc.
985-879-3219
Www.cssla.com


From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.commailto:j...@scrivner.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:28:01 -0600
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf 
cliff.lebo...@cssla.commailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote:
It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things 
stay Kosher.

Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort?

I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have been able 
to legally run my business and create several organizations with the help of 
attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us make sure we have 
done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to see that. I appreciate 
their legal experience and expertise being shared within this committee.

I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we would 
not do things in a Kosher way and frankly I find this post somewhat 
offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in matters 
such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually kicked 
around for my efforts would be a nice start.
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Victoria,

At least you understood my comment was a joke.

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From: St. Louis Broadband 
li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
Organization: St. Louis Broadband
Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:50:14 -0600
To: Cliff LeBoeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.commailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com, 
'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

LOL, we are LUCKY to have the opinion of THREE Attorneys!
I might add that two are volunteers and one is paid, by decree of the Board.

Ciff, we are just trying to protect the membership, the best way we can ;-)

~V~

From: Cliff Leboeuf [mailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:12 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things 
stay Kosher.

-
Cliff LeBoeuf
Computer Sales  Services, Inc.
985-879-3219
Www.cssla.com


From: St. Louis Broadband 
li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
Organization: St. Louis Broadband
Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA 
General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 00:58:06 -0600
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

FYI guys …

The WISPA ByLaws Committee is made up of:

One WISPA Executive Director
Three Attorneys!
Four WISPA Board Members
One Founding Father, well actually I think we have two dads in there …
One Godfather, of Wireless, that is …
Seven Principle Members
Four Vendor Members

~and a partridge in a pear tree~

It is a very nice sampling with some real bright folks!

Just wanted to share ;-)

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/
ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/
BLOG: FarmingtonMO.ushttp://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog
314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
St. Louis WISP since 2003
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Be careful what you ask for … You may get it! :-P
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From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:55:39 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

I'm still waiting for someone to invent sarcasm font.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:54 AM, John Scrivner 
j...@scrivner.commailto:j...@scrivner.com wrote:
Sorry Cliff. There is no way to read tone in email. A smiley face   :-)at 
the end usually helps let folks know when something is tongue in cheek like 
that. If you read your note as sarcasm it is funny. I thought you were being 
serious. Hence my backlash. All is well!
All the best,
Scriv


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Cliff Leboeuf 
cliff.lebo...@cssla.commailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote:
John,

My apology to you and anyone else that may have taken offense to my JOKE. 
Believe me that is all it was meant to be.

However, this society has become so politically correct, and litigious, it dose 
sometimes make me sick. Hence my JOKE of needing so many attorneys on the 
committee to make sure we don't offend ANYONE.

I would consider helping if I can and you think adding me would be helpful. Let 
me know the role, responsibility and commitment needed. Based on what you 
desire, I would only agree if I could commit to be a asset. I'd never agree to 
be on a committee and not participate.

-
Cliff LeBoeuf
Computer Sales  Services, Inc.
985-879-3219
Www.cssla.comhttp://Www.cssla.com


From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.commailto:j...@scrivner.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:28:01 -0600

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics


On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM, Cliff Leboeuf 
cliff.lebo...@cssla.commailto:cliff.lebo...@cssla.com wrote:
It's really disappointing that THREE attorneys are needed to make sure things 
stay Kosher.

Cliff, did you just offer to help us with this effort?

I am married to an attorney. Many of my friends are attorneys. I have been able 
to legally run my business and create several organizations with the help of 
attorneys. When I saw we had 3 attorneys offering to help us make sure we have 
done things in a legal and proper way I was very glad to see that. I appreciate 
their legal experience and expertise being shared within this committee.

I do not think that anyone in our committee was even considering that we would 
not do things in a Kosher way and frankly I find this post somewhat 
offensive. I have committed literally years of free support to WISPA in matters 
such as this and I do not expect much but not getting intellectually kicked 
around for my efforts would be a nice start.
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[WISPA] The Next 15 Big Companies That Are Heading Toward Bankruptcy

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http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-close-to-bankruptcy-2011-2#clearwire-corporation-clwr-5

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[WISPA] New National Broadband Map Shows Your Fastest Web Connection

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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/17/new-national-broadband-map-shows-fastest-web-connection/

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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Local Broadband Stimulus Winner asks for more Money?

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³What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that
this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to
sell the property for.³
TEA PARTIERS? - hu...



On 12/28/10 7:32 AM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote:

 What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that
 this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to
 sell the property for.






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Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

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Faisal -- YODA? hehe


On 12/21/10 3:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 I think you mis-reading what Fred Wrote...
 
 Wireline (wires in the ground) are a natural monopoly...
 
 Wireline  does not automatically equal = Wired Telephony..
 
 As Yoda Said... Difficult it is to see where going we are, if we
 understand not how we got here 
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 On 12/21/2010 4:08 PM, MDK wrote:
 So, I disagree with his premise, and his argument about the premise, that
 wired telephony is a natural monopoly, and I'm not allowed to say so?
 What, who speaks first is now the authority and cannot be questioned?
 
 All of what he said is based upon the natural monopoly premise, and since
 we disagree on that premise, we don't have anything to debate about what he
 said, I disagree with his conclusions.
 
 This is neither disrespectful nor insulting.   And, since it's somewhat off
 the topic of this thread, I chose to not further pursue it.
 
 Now, can we get on with whatever our conversation will be about the matter
 of import, at least at this point in time?
 
 
 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++
 
 --
 From: Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net
 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:31 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
 
 It is tough to have a meaningful discussion when you make comments as
 such ..
 
 You don't have to agree with Fred, but if you listen to him with and
 open mind, at worst you will end up learning about a whole series of
 events that got us this point...
 
 And it is not due to some individual who went to Washington and Kissed
 someone !
 
 :)
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet   Telecom
 
 
 
 On 12/21/2010 3:06 PM, MDK wrote:
 I wholeheartedly disagree with your premise.
 
  From that point on, we have little to debate about.
 
 
 
 ++
 Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
 ++
 
 --
 From: Fred Goldsteinfgoldst...@ionary.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
 
 At 12/21/2010 01:57 PM, MDK wrote:
 
 The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
 pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of
 government
 created markets...
 Uh, no.  Wireline is a natural monopoly.  That is NOT what it has
 sometimes been taken to mean, an excuse to regulate.  Rather, it's an
 economics concept, which means that the cost of entering the market
 as a new provider is substantially higher than the cost to an
 existing provider of adding incremental capacity.  In other words,
 the incumbent can always underprice the new entrant, so it's
 impossible to compete.
 
 
 
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[WISPA] FCC to Vote on Internet Regulation Plan

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

I know everyone here monitors FOX... ;-)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/20/fcc-vote-internet-regulation-plan
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Re: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out

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Marlon will find a military surplus one for 37 cents!


On 10/7/10 12:57 PM, Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net wrote:

 15-18k new
 
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:53 PM
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 Did anyone call and get a price on one yet?
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:41 PM
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 Let's all chip in and buy 5, regionally.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
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 Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:43 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Check this Trencher out
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Value of Atlas 5010's

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Before or after it was run over?


On 10/6/10 1:24 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:

 Anyone know what working Atlas 5010's should be worth on the street?
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] MUM USA

[Cliff Olle]

I'll be there at 4:30.   

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 29, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:

 Leaving in a couple of hours for MUM in Phoenix.  Who else will be there?  
 Where are we getting together at Thursday or Friday night?
 
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[WISPA] Obama wants unfettered access to your Internet activity

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/51731-obama-wants-unfettered-a
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[WISPA] Franken goes ballistic on Verizon, Google, Comcast, and NBCU

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/sen-franken-and-fcc-blast-ve
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Trust Google! After all, aren't they the Don't be Evil company?



On 8/10/10 8:39 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote:

 And it is a disaster and bait and switch scheme. Sure, don't
 discriminate on FIXED (don't be fooled by the term wireline), but
 choke the pipe so much that people will want to upgrade to premium
 services where content will be pay-per-view type. This about segmenting
 the Internet and to give carriers the keys to decide what content and
 application YOU want. What YOU want actually does not matter.
 
 The blogs are alive with outraged and panicked netroots people.
 
 
 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Hawthorne
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:35 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
 
 It's Monday, here's what Google and Verizon were working on
 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/google-verizon-propose-open-vs-pa
 id-internets/ 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
 1617.html
 
 They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
 blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster?
 Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
 world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.
 
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Re: [WISPA] taxes

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Rick,

You may have a choice... Look at Section 197. You may be able to expense in 
lieu of depreciate all of your asset purchases. You CPA will confirm.

http://www.section179.org/

Cliff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:52 PM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes

Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always
believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm
getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how
the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in
desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is
no more!
I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that
ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated -
expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS.
My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law,
that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS
options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer
to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their
equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for
an industry standard.
-RickG

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
 I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about
 What Travis shared with you is accurate

 As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does not
 dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the scope
 of the Law

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote:
 Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to
 what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look
 at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now
 than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  wrote:

 This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our
 equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax
 breaks you need now vs. later.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:

 Everyone's favorite subject :)

 I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to
 know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you
 expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP
 CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc.
 With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much
 sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any
 WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason?

 Thanks in advance! -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Copier Security Risk!

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Register for a presentation from Xerox to learn more at:
www.seeuthere.com/MFPsecurity

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:01 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA Members] Copier Security Risk!

 

Please pass this on to others in business!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC38D5am7go

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

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Re: [WISPA] Ping message

[Cliff Leboeuf]

4 no's and 1 yes... looks like you have some packet loss there ;)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ping message

No

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Pat Nix
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ping message

Are my messages getting through?






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Re: [WISPA] Found a spot

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Liam Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:55 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Found a spot

Ok I  think I found a location to start providing services. Should I be
concerned that a large isp is close by and could be in this area with in
a couple of years?


Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry




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Re: [WISPA] Found a spot

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Can you say ... RUN! 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Liam Cummings
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:00 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Found a spot

Also I'm still researching but appears to be a low income area. Any
thoughts on that?
Sent from my Datacom Specialists black berry

- Original Message -
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tue May 04 18:14:59 2010
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Found a spot

I service an area with multiple isp's wisps as well as Comcast and  
ATT. The key is to differentiate yourself. It could be service or  
faster upload speeds or just a local business. Don't fear competition.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Liam Cummings
lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com 
  wrote:

 Ok I  think I found a location to start providing services. Should I  
 be concerned that a large isp is close by and could be in this area  
 with in a couple of years?


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Re: [WISPA] tower contracts

[Cliff]

My understanding is, even without that clause written, being a government
they have that clause.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] tower contracts

One of our favorite topics :)

So, I've had fairly good luck with the tower agreements that I've
posted until lately. It seems people are getting real particular these
days, which is fine. After two years of discusions, I've finally made
some progress of getting on a nearby towns water tank. My issue is
that they have scrapped my contract and come up with an easement
contract of their own. Its not too bad but I'm concerned about the
indemification section. Basically, it reads as follows:

INDEMNIFICATION:
The Grantee does hereby agree to defend, hold harmless, and indemnify
Grantor, its successors and assigns, from any claim of liability or any
other
claim involving the access, utilities, or arising out of the Grantee's
use of the
easement described above, unless caused by Grantor's negligent or willful
conduct or Grantor's failure to fulfill its maintenance obligations as set
forth
in Paragraph 6 above. As a government. the Grantor reserves all rights
afford under its Sovereign Immunity.

Basically, it protects them but not me. LOL, normally my contract does
the reverse! Thoughts?
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[WISPA] Looking for Trango 5830int

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I'm looking for used - working- Trango 5830INT subscribers.

 

If you nave any that you may want to part with, please send qty and
price off-line.

 

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[WISPA] Radwin 1000

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I have a client looking for a Radwin 1000 link.
Does anyone on this list sell these units? 
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[WISPA] Apple Disney TV?

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Can Steve Jobs unplug cable TV?

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/22/can-steve-jobs-un
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Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

[Cliff]

We bought the two smokers in our Company the e-cigarettes.  They seem to
like them.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

 I have one customer who burns up laptops.  Not from overheating or
whatever,
 but from cigarettes.  She sits in front of the laptop drinking and smoking
 and passes out with the cigarette landing on the keyboard or against the
 screen.  Has killed three in the past 2 years that way.  Sure, we replace
 keyboards and lcd panels but eventually it dies from repeated abuse.  Or
 beer being spilled on it.  Works for awhile until it gets fuzzy inside.
 Yuck!

Has she heard of the E cigarette?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U81x8t2iMhw

Very popular christmas gift this year.  Thought of getting a family
member one who is smoker.

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[WISPA] Looking for an iDirect Partner

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Is anyone an iDirect Partner? I may have a lead. Contact me off-list.

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Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 question

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Swap the radios with each other to see if the problem follows the radio or
stays at the location.


On 11/27/09 5:22 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:

 I have a 2.2 mile link with clear LOS using TrangoLink45 radios.  One
 direction (MU to RU) maintains a steady 54mbps air rate all the time.
 The other direction (RU to MU) will work at 54mbps for a while, but
 always slowly (over about 3-5 minutes) drops to 12mbps.  I have tried
 some other channels and polarities to no success.
 Does anyone know how to get a log from these units that might show why
 the link slows down?
 Any thing I should be checking other than the frequency and polarity?






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[WISPA] WTB - Alvarion 900 AU

[Cliff Leboeuf]

I am looking for a used Alvarion 900 AU. If interested in selling 1-2 to
me, contact me off-list.
- Cliff



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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Cliff Leboeuf]

 you will soon become a rich man.
Not if he is counting on WISPs to pay him! :)




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gary Garrett
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with
network.

Yes, this is the answer I am looking for.
Let me know when this is available / stable, and you will soon become a 
rich man.




things
like NetFlix will be AUTOMATICALLY identified and handled according to
the network administrator's wishes.

Is that the answer you wanted?  LOL.




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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

[Cliff Leboeuf]

One is about 18 miles, the other is just over 20 miles.
- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

We're still guessing here.  He's never told us how LONG the links are.
If 
they are 10 miles apart it's probably not ducting.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss


 The way I understand it, and have worked to my advantage as a ham, is
 the layers stratify at fairly definite borders in tropospheric
 ducting.  The layer works more like a duct with a mirror like
 top.  The signals can be repeatedly reflected back down into the
duct.

 I did some experiments during one tropo opening using some long
 circular polarized yagis at both vhf and uhf.  The signals appear to
 become more randomly polarized as the distance in the duct
 increases.  The signals coming from areas around the Gulf coming into
 SW Fl during the events had components of both vertical and
 horizontal polarization.

 Refraction is the deflection of a wave on passing obliquely from one
 transparent medium into a second medium in which its speed is
different.

 So, both upon entering and leaving the duct the signal can also be
 subject to refraction?  Not sure.

 Mike


 At 10:52 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
That is correct. So my next question: Can refraction be caused by
thermal ducting? -RickG







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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Joe,

Both links are using Radiowave 3' high performance antennas. One link is a pair 
of Orthogon units, the other are Trango Tlink10's and a third 20mi link are 
Trango Atlases.

This scenario is setup as an OSPF 'ring'.

Cliff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Joe Miller
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

Cliff,

What type of radio are you using? I have a 19.2 link over here in Gulfport and 
it has been rock solid. I'm using 3ft dishes too.

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-238-2563
www.dslbyair.com



- Original Message 
From: Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:21:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

One is about 18 miles, the other is just over 20 miles.
- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

We're still guessing here.  He's never told us how LONG the links are.
If 
they are 10 miles apart it's probably not ducting.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss


 The way I understand it, and have worked to my advantage as a ham, is
 the layers stratify at fairly definite borders in tropospheric
 ducting.  The layer works more like a duct with a mirror like
 top.  The signals can be repeatedly reflected back down into the
duct.

 I did some experiments during one tropo opening using some long
 circular polarized yagis at both vhf and uhf.  The signals appear to
 become more randomly polarized as the distance in the duct
 increases.  The signals coming from areas around the Gulf coming into
 SW Fl during the events had components of both vertical and
 horizontal polarization.

 Refraction is the deflection of a wave on passing obliquely from one
 transparent medium into a second medium in which its speed is
different.

 So, both upon entering and leaving the duct the signal can also be
 subject to refraction?  Not sure.

 Mike


 At 10:52 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
That is correct. So my next question: Can refraction be caused by
thermal ducting? -RickG







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[WISPA] FW: US broadband report: more popular, more expensive

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Subject: US broadband report: more popular, more expensive

http://tinyurl.com/mk448g

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Re: [WISPA] As seen on Twitter

[Cliff Olle]

Isn't the federal usf already 11.2 percent? 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] As seen on Twitter

So he is suggesting that existing broadband consumers foot the $7billion 
bill via USF broadband taxes?  I'd like to see what that fee calculates to. 
I bet the USF tax will be higher than the cost of broadband service. 
Clearly not in line with reducing costs of broadband for consumers.  Does 
anyone know how much revenue USF brings in today?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:08 AM
Subject: [WISPA] As seen on Twitter


 Recently I saw these comments made on Twitter and I was wondering if 
 anyone could track down some quotable sources for these.

 Rep Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) says that historically a $1 investment in broadband

 yields a $10 return. So a $7.2B investment...

 NTIA's Larry Irving wants to see USF funds provide $7B ANNUALLY for 
 broadband. Says that the current $7.2 is a down payment.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
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[WISPA] Joomla Programmer

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

I am interested on redesigning a couple of websites and want to consider
Joomla.

I don't have the time to learn from scratch, but I would like to maintain it
myself afterwards.

I am looking for someone to design, and assist me with the on-going
maintenance.

If you have those skills, and are interested, please contact me off-list.

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Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?

[Cliff Leboeuf]

You should know that a contract doesn't make anyone exempt from taxes,
only death does that.

Not even death exempts one from all taxes... Ever hear of inheritance
or estate taxes?





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can a village levy a tax on my AP's?

You should know that a contract doesn't make anyone exempt from taxes, 
only death does that.

It's probably personal property tax. Many places charge property tax 
which includes things like being taxed on the value of your land/home, 
excise tax for the car, and personal property tax. Personal property tax

is not as big a money maker in most towns and many are not very hawkish 
on it, so you haven't had to deal with it yet. Most towns are probably 
too busy making sure everyone pays their normal property taxes on time.

You'll declare your AP on the tax papers, and send them a few dollars 
every year.

It differs from town to town perhaps on how sharp they are for noticing 
the opportunity to tax, if it's a non-conforming use of the property, 
probably special attention was paid to it's installation, and all the 
advertising you do advertises you have equipment in this town.

All this differs from state to state, so you should check with a skilled

accountant or an attorney with municipal skills.



On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 11:55:44AM -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 I recently set up an AP on a nearby village's water tower and they are
now
 sending me income tax papers saying I need file with their village.
Our
 office is not in their village and I don't live in their village so I
see no
 reason for filing. The only thing that ties me to them is the lone AP
on
 their water tower. I am on 3 other city's water tower's in the same
area and
 none of them have said anything about filing with them.
 
  
 
 The contract between the village and I states nothing about taxes or
 exchange of money for using the tower. 
 
  
 
 1 - Is income derived from clients residing in the village limits
taxable as
 income?
 
 2 - What about income derived from clients residing outside the
village
 limits but running off the AP in the village limits?
 
 3 - Even if so, why do the other ISP's that provide service to
residents in
 the village not have to file income tax to this village?
 
 4 - By filing income within the village I would technically be paying
tax on
 income from all my towers generating revenue that have nothing to do
with
 their tower. 
 
  
 
 As far as I know there is no ordinance regarding internet service
within the
 village in any way.
 
  
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] Promotion

[Cliff Olle]

I would think that could easily be done with a mikrotik

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Promotion

I got towers.  Lots of them.  Many don't have any kind
of wireless service anywhere close, some don't have any
kind of high speed service of any kind.

I would like to put up on some of them, for a fairly short
period of time, something like a hotspot, say a cheap router
that people can connect to, they see a splash page that says

If you are intersted in HIGH SPEED WIRELESS service, please
call 800-467-2346

Then we could log the calls, take their information, and if enough 
calls were recieved we could start talking to WISPS in adjoining
areas to see if someone might be interested in providing service
there.

A market study if you will.

Who makes a cheap box that I could hook to an OMNI with
such a thing?  
Don't take your organs to heaven, 
heaven knows we need them down here!
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

[Cliff Olle]

I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days
or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
only using 4 class Cs?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


Scott
- Original Message - 
From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
 you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's 
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

[Cliff Olle]

With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the filing
in 5 minutes.  I highly recommend if you are getting close to crunch time
and are looking up tract data to give him a shot on this.  Best $100 I ever
spent.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

oh man, we're STILL working on the 477.  Isn't that an absolute disaster?

We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.

sigh

I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files 
that will export the data in a file for the fcc.  Let them sort all of the 
crap out.

My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this!

g
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 agreed

 When we had specific questions, we called ARIN.  Got someone right away 
 that
 new what they were talking about

 Easier than Form 477 for us

 Scott


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN



 You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its
 easy.

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Cliff Olle]

Interesting, I never would have thought that much.  I was thinking more of
about 3-4 degrees.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 11:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

I disagree,  Precise Tilt does matter quite a bit with Tiltek 900Mhz 
sectors.

Let me give an example of mounted at 400ft with Tiltek sectors having 17 deg

vert beamwidth.

8 deg downtilt, min .25 miles, max horizon.

9 degree downtilt, min .24 miles, max 8.6 miles.

10 degree downtilt, Min distance .22 miles, Max distance 2.8 miles.

11 deg downtilt, min .21 miles, Max 1.7 miles

Near field coverage is rarely a problem with 900Mhz, regardless of the tilt.
But what people forget is how much the far field is effected by just a 
single degree.

The difference between 9 versus10 degrees is the difference of 5 miles ! 
coverage at optimal signal strength.
The difference between 8 versus 10 degrees is the difference of whether you 
interfere with your other towers 30 miles away versus 3 miles away.

With 900Mhz, EVERY DB counts. The reason is two fold.  1) The noise floor is

ften high. 2) Its very easy to get colocated AP antenna self interference, 
when foliage can degrade the signal of a single link severally. For example,

the Front-to-back isolation loss could be equivellent to the loss of foliage

in a path.

The goal is to get the highest signal uniformally to the largest area within

your desired coverage area. Then you can always lower CPE transmit power as 
needed on links without foliage loss.  In my 900 deployments, I have found 
that 3db lost or gained can be the difference between a typically good 
versus bad link.

Now, its true the above beamwidths are only the distances that show 3 db 
loss, so a 10 degree downtilt, sector will still have a significant amount 
of signal going out to and heard from the the horizon. But every DB counts.

The critical question becomes do you mount high or not? Higher avoids more 
trees. HIgher hears more interference. We found what was best for us was to 
go higher, but add more downtilt. We shoot for 10 degree downtilt. But it 
can be a delicate balance, dependent on your environment and noise levels 
and locations. We will usally put a larger focus on reducing noise to our 
adjacent cell sites, even if at the cost of gain to our intended coverage 
area.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


 For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna,
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[WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

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For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna,
if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?  




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Re: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'

[Cliff Olle]

10-12 miles

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Depends on your distance to the target audience
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [WISPA] 900 Downtilt at 300'


For the 900 Mhz connectorized AP (by cyclone) with the 120 tiltek antenna,
if I am mounted at 300', what amount of down tilt is normal?  





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[WISPA] TeraBridgeT 5845

[Cliff Leboeuf]

Does anyone have personal experience using the Proxim TeraBridge(tm)
5845 radios?

If so, I'd like to know the good and bad.

 

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Friday fun news...

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

10 Ways Microsoft's Retail Stores Will Differ From Apple Stores

http://www.pcworld.com/article/159521/10_ways_microsofts_retail_stores_will_
differ_from_apple_stores.html

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Re: [WISPA] tower site management

[Cliff - Home]

Marlon,

Check with a Real Estate agent in your area. Many of them provide this type
of service for rental property owners.

The way the ones here work a percentage of the revenue. For their monthly
fee, they have to show the property when necessary, take tenant calls and
coordinate contractor repairs, etc.

What you describe seems familiar.

Good luck,
Cliff



On 2/12/09 7:25 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I've got a tower owner that's got a now nearly empty tower or about 80' on
 the top of a 700 foot hill.  He doesn't want the hassle of dealing with
 people that would like to go up there.
 
 He would, however, be interested in more rent money.
 
 It's been suggested that I manage the site and somehow split any revenue
 with him.
 
 Is anyone else doing this?
 
 How do you go about such an arraignment?
 
 Anyone have a contract I can use as a boiler plate?
 
 Thanks,
 marlon
 
 
 
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[WISPA] Google-backed tool detects Net filtering, blocking

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10152117-38.html?tag=mncol;posts

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Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!

[Cliff Leboeuf]

With a girl?

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!

OK guys - - - anyone have a picture of me having sex??? :-)

Seems that everything good is bad for your health and all that is bad
(tastes bad) is good for you.

Jim - that's the first fried food I've seen in 3 weeks (in that picture
you
attached) and it makes me hungry ;-)

Mac



 -Original Message-
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On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:35 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!
 
 Too true!  Of course the left hand part of this photo is probably not
 too healthy either!
 
 Jeff
 
 
 -Original Message-
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On
 Behalf Of Jim Patient
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:03 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks all!
 
 Mac,
 
 Smoking is bad but it isn't the only thing you need to change.
 
 The attached picture shows another problem;-)
 
 Jim
 
 
 John Scrivner wrote:
 
  Glad to hear there was no damage!  Awesome news!  As for the quite
  smoking incentive, I hope it doesn't take that much for some others
  (me included).  I just have to quit liking it.  :-(
 
 
 
 
  I have to give credit where credit is due. I smoked from age 16 for
 at
  least 20 years. I must have tried unsuccessfully to quit smoking 20
  times until I finally gave it to God and told him he would have to
  take that one. You have to be careful what you pray for though. So I
  asked God to take the smokes away and help me not like them any
 longer
  but asked if he could do it with something a little less severe than
  cancer. The next day when I got out of bed I could no longer be
 around
  smoke at all. The smell made me sick to my stomach and I would have
  sinus and breathing issues even being around the smoke. I never
 smoked
  again and to this day have no cravings. For any of you who smoke you
  know that is miraculous. That was a few years back. Those of you
that
  know me well know I am the farthest thing from a model Christian. I
  guess my point is that this had to work really good for me to make
  these statements. If any of you want to quit then hit me offlist and
  we
 can talk more.
 
  Mac, we are glad you are well brother! (Physically anyway...the jury
  is still out on your mental status!) Cheers, Scriv
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

[Cliff Olle]

I use untangle at many of the companies that I manage.  Makes my job easier,
and makes their employees more productive. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

FYI there's also a semi-official hack (information is on their forum:  
forums.untangle.com) about how to install ntop reporting as well.  
Hopefully that as well as more detailed reporting will be included in  
future releases. I participated in the recent Astaro beta and that  
really spoiled me. It has much better reporting (by user, by domain,  
etc) and the content filtering is better and more stable in my opinion  
but it's very expensive to buy. So I run Untangle here.

Greg

On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Eric Rogers wrote:

 I just wanted to follow up for those that are interested.  I included
 the original email below, but I will summarize.  I was asked to find a
 way to log where employees are going on the internet.  I took the many
 suggestions of NTop, PRTG, using NetFlow data and a reporting server,
 etc.  They worked, but not exactly the simple reporting the employer
 wanted.  What I stumbled across is a program called Untangle.  It  
 is a
 unix load and very nicely done http://www.untangle.com.  Very secure.
 It is a transparent bridge that also does firewalling and is a content
 firewall.  I loaded it onto a 1U old Dell server they retired.  We
 turned all of the blocking rules to log, so it was totally transparent
 to the users.  It logs where each workstation went on the internet for
 about 2 months.  Now that they have collected the information, they  
 have
 confronted the employees and at least made it public they were being
 watched.  Then turned it onto blocking the sites they were wasting  
 time.
 It also now blocks the spyware that was running rampant on their
 network.

 Best of all, Untangle is free, and open source.  There are other Pay
 For devices like Barracuda Web (310) is similar, but is routinely
 maintained.  They are also great products.  Once this server outlives
 its life, they will probably move up to the Barracuda for better
 reporting and constant updates.

 Anyone that does want more information, I can send screenshots and/or
 answer questions should they arise later.

 Thanks,

 Eric Rogers
 Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 (317) 831-3000 x200



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
 On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Employee Tracking Program

 I have a company that would like to track real-time and summary
 information of internet activity of it's employees (by IP).  They are
 looking for summary information, not email content/instant messenger
 chats/passwords.  What would be ideal would be a passive device that
 acts like a sniffer that either hits layer 7 and reads the
 www.xx.com from the data portion of the packets, or just looks at
 the DNS traffic, tracks IPs and reports it.  Maybe even amount of
 bandwidth spent at each IP... or something of that nature.



 Any ideas?  I have recommended software that is a keylogger and
 recorder, but they want something that is totally transparent, i.e.
 sniffer.



 Thanks,



 Eric Rogers

 Precision Data Solutions, LLC

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[WISPA] FW: Bayou national News Coverage

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Bayou Internet and Communications makes national news once again.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

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Let's see.between 100-300ft
3 - 2.4Ghz AP's
5 - 5.8Ghz AP's
2 - 5.3Ghz AP's
3 - 38Ghz radios
1 - 18Ghz radio
2 - 5.8Ghz backhauls
2 - 5.3Ghz backhauls
1 - 900Mhz AP

... $350 per month -- I'll brag! :)




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

I'm not bragging by any means, but we're paying $1k and more for 3 APs
and 2-3 backhauls with 2'-3' dishes.

Of course we live in Rev G land so tower space isn't as easy to come by,
but I miss the sub $1k days.  :(

Dylan

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

Wow, can I get your lease.
I am paying just over $800/m on a Crown Castle tower.  At 265' on a 300'

tower.  3 sectors, 2 backhauls.
Contact at Crown is Grant Childers in Indianapolis.
Office: 317-249-2055
Cell: 317-797-4620
grant.child...@crowncastle.com
He is good to work with, but I will avoid Crown Castles towers like the 
plague.  6 months and $3000 to add the second backhaul.
Plus specific climbers required.  Just a pain in general.

Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Does anyone have good contacts for colocation on Cell Towers?  

  

 Cingular/T-Mobile/Sprint/Verizon

  

 I know a lot of SBA/Crown/etc. companies own/manage the towers they
are
 on as well.  Does anyone have any good contacts for those companies
too?


  

 Care to share the expense?

  

 I have a few leases that are from $150-$350 a month on these
commercial
 types of towers.

  

 Regards,

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 502-722-9292
 ch...@avolutia.com mailto:ch...@avolutia.com 
 www.avolutia.com http://www.avolutia.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

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Which companies are in the $150 range?  Our contracts with Crown are in the
higher of that range.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:16 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Colocation on Cell Towers

Does anyone have good contacts for colocation on Cell Towers?  

 

Cingular/T-Mobile/Sprint/Verizon

 

I know a lot of SBA/Crown/etc. companies own/manage the towers they are
on as well.  Does anyone have any good contacts for those companies too?


 

Care to share the expense?

 

I have a few leases that are from $150-$350 a month on these commercial
types of towers.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

[Cliff Olle]

This what you are looking for? http://dataprobe.com/iboot-remote-reboot.html


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:34 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote
reboot and power metering device?  I don't want to spend $700 on a regular
rack mounted one because I would never make my money back.  Ideas?


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[WISPA] One ISP says RIAA must pay for piracy protection

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127841-93.html


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[WISPA] Dems blast FCC chief Martin for Œbad man ners¹

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http://government.zdnet.com/?p=4217

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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

[Cliff Olle]

Will it be able to do a topographic view like delorme does as well for new
customers?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

Here is a screenshot of my company's RF mapping integration with Powercode.
Brian Webster (www.wirelessmapping.com) provides the mapping service and we
have overlaid his map into the GoogleMaps interface that's already built
into Powercode (www.powercode.com), complete with all types of customers and
infrastructure. Here's a cool feature, you can click on any of the pins and
it pulls up that customer's contact information, which is all hyperlinked
directly to your version of Powercode.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom DeReggi
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Tim,

 Now that you have made your shameless self promotion sales pitch :-)  
 I thought I'd scrutinize your comments, palying devils advocate :-)

 I have not looked at your BOSS software or Firmwre, so I am asking 
 blind at this point. But I am interested in your perspective, since 
 you are interested in WISP markets.

  AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but once installed 
  can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our firmware ported 
  to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all 
  the time.

 The above was the key comment that got my attention, and how that 
 would reflect the reality of what could be a viable target market..

 Is it really realistic to use a BOSS provider's Firmware on APs and
CPEs?
 Come on WISPs have graduated basic Wifi APs and CPEs. It has taken 
 almost a decade for the Firmware leaders of today to develop feature 
 rich products that WISPs can actually count on working well enough for 
 commercial deployment. (examples... Mikrotik, StarOS, Ligowave, etc).
 Why would a WISP risk a tried and true solution to convert to 
 something new, just for integration into a BOSS system? Could they 
 risk that?  Thats like going to a CLEC provider and saying... We have 
 this new BOSS system, would you mind just throwing away all your 
 CISCOs..  Generally what WISPs would want more is a BOSS system that 
 could integrate will all their pre-eixsting diverse product lines. As 
 a WISP, we all know there are a lot of tools in the toolbox, and there 
 is the right tool for each type of job. Even the WISPs most religious 
 to staying true to one brand have branched out to use many different 
 product lines, because technical reasons and differences in their 
 technology forced them to, if they wanted to stay competitive.  I 
 would find it more viable to have a agent application that could be 
 integrated into pre-existing OS, to add compatibility. (although that 
 could also be a huge task technically, and politically also)

 When a BOSS requires its own Firmware for devices, it usually means 
 that the WISPs will now need two BOSS systems. One for their new 
 proprietary system, and one for all their other stuff. That means 
 duplication of ALL costs.
 Labor, hardware, CC processing, learning curve, documentation, etc, 
 etc. So teh service subscribption could no longer be justified as a 
 time saver, as it would be yet another application added to the list 
 to manage.  Also note a platform change is not jsut a technology 
 change, it is also a process change.

 Do not misunderstand me, I am NOT Bashing your product. I'm just 
 sharing the first thoughts that came to my mind, when I don't yet 
 understand your product, and it would potentually be a thought likely 
 to cross other WISP's minds.

 How do you feel your product, will or could fit into an existing 
 WISP's operation?  And what processes/features could be extended to 
 pre-existing models?
 To be more politically correct, this is a question not necessarilly 
 directed specifically to your product, but any product that offers a 
 more narrow specialized management solution (such as HotSpot) to 
 integrate into an exist provider's network of any type.

 A trend I see is many vendors are providing RMS systems for their 
 radio firmware platforms. (I'll spare you the list, but atleast 10 I 
 could name off teh top of my head). However, most are jsut compatible 
 with their own product, which takes away a large part of the value 
 proposition for many WISPs.  I personally, see 2009 and 2010 being 
 about increasing BOSS's compatibilty to encompass a much larger models 
 and products.  The analogy I like to use is looking at a company like 
 at  Comcast or a Verizon. Would they give their support staff 5 
 different OSS platforms to manage all the peices of their network? 
 WISPS are growing, and there is a dream for one platform that does it 
 all, and it will be even more importnat as teh roll ups occur. Or will it
be a technical impossibilty?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 

[WISPA] Service Opportunity - Hartington, NE

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Does anyone service the Hartington, NE Area?


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Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

The government doesn't pay for anything. WE do the citizens who pay
taxes...


On 10/9/08 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays
 for USF???
 No, it is industry supported.  100% of the revenue comes from
 telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
 companies.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
 :-).
 
 Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry.  I
 can't
 fault him (too much) for that.  I wish I were in a similar situation.
 
 My frustration isn't that USF exists as much as it is that USF is being
 used
 to give my competitor a government backed competitive advantage.  A huge
 one
 at that.
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so far,
 I suspect you don't have a clue about the situation and therefore
 posted mindless babble
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
 right in the head...
 
 
 
 Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 It is a cost recovery mechanism.  I got audited by USAC this year to
 prove
 that the USF we receive is to cover the costs of providing the service.
 But
 think how expensive it is to run a hundred miles of fiber and put in a
 class
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Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

The hell it ain't a tax! It is taxing on my buying power! :)

Also, wouldn't it fit in this definition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

A tax is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution,
exacted pursuant to legislative authority and is any contribution imposed
by government [Š] whether under the name of toll, tribute, tallage, gabel,
impost, duty, custom, excise, subsidy, aid, supply, or other name.[1]






On 10/9/08 10:55 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office.
 Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise.
 You do not have to participate.
 Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program.
 That is not a tax.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
 
 On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
 districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
 goods and services of E-rate funded projects.  The audits have not shown
 any
 telephone company to be misusing this money.
 
 And I want to repeat, this is not taxpayer money.  Most of this money is
 from a charge tacked onto the bills of the RBOC customers.  It is revenue
 pooling and re-distribution.
 
 So, lets back off the misuse by telephone company tone of this
 discussion.
 If we want to point fingers, you will find the fingers are pointing at
 the
 local networking and ISP companies.  That is the major source of the
 misuse.
 The second is cell phone companies claiming to be providing pots service
 to
 rural customers via tellular units.  Western Wireless built a business
 plan
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Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Chuck...WE may not cross subsidize, but I bet it would be hard convince
all of us that others don't.




On 10/9/08 11:35 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We are still forbidden to cross subsidize.
 - Original Message -
 From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago.
 The telco and ISP functions had to be seperate entities and their could be
 no cross subsidization. Somewhere along the time that ISP's and internet
 became big buisness, all that went to heck in a hand basket.
 
 Scottie
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:57:59 -0700
 
 Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
 :-).
 
 Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry.  I
 can't
 fault him (too much) for that.  I wish I were in a similar situation.
 
 My frustration isn't that USF exists as much as it is that USF is being
 used
 to give my competitor a government backed competitive advantage.  A huge
 one
 at that.
 marlon
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so far,
 I suspect you don't have a clue about the situation and therefore
 posted mindless babble
 
 
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
 
 
 If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not
 right in the head...
 
 
 
 Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 It is a cost recovery mechanism.  I got audited by USAC this year to
 prove
 that the USF we receive is to cover the costs of providing the service.
 But
 think how expensive it is to run a hundred miles of fiber and put in a
 class
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Re: [WISPA] Need- Alvarion 900AU

[Cliff - Home]

Rick,

I saw that and email him directly. I am waiting on his reply. I choose to
repost to the list again too.

Thanks,
Cliff



On 9/10/08 3:34 PM, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cliff,
 
 According to the Google Docs Spreadsheet, Chuck Bartosch had one at Ebay
 Pricing to sell.  His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Thanks,
 Rick
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:05 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Need- Alvarion 900AU
 
 We lost an Alvarion 900 AU during Gustav, primarily the ODU part.
 
 Does anyone have on for quick shipment? Please contact off list with
 details...
 
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[WISPA] Need- Alvarion 900AU

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

We lost an Alvarion 900 AU during Gustav, primarily the ODU part.

Does anyone have on for quick shipment? Please contact off list with
details...

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Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

John,

I am just getting time to settle down from my assessments.

THANK YOU for your offer to assist.

So far, from an infrastructure, the most critical is that one of the towers
we were on fell. It was 400' and the following Trango equipment was on it
and is no long useable.

1 Atlas P2P Ext using 5.4Ghz
1 3' Radiowaves dish
2 Trango 5830AP's

Since we are out of power around town, we can see how much equipment we have
lost at subs yet.

I would also like to order a 10-pack of 5830SU's.

Please ship all of the equipment above to:
Larry Van Pelt
501 South Cunningham St.
Rayne, LA 70578

Send UPS 2-3 day. Call me on my cell 985-852-6582 or office at 985-879-3219
if you have any questions.

Let me know the total and I can either send a check or give you my credit
card information if Trango doesn't have it on file.

Please confirm this email so that I can check it off my list.

Thanks again,
Cliff



On 9/3/08 10:54 AM, John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick, we can donate some gear.  I can offer up a TrangoLINK-45 PtP, and
 a few APs.   If you get in touch with Cliff find out exacly what
 frequencies he needs (for the APs), where he needs it and we'll get it
 shipped out today.
 
 John Seaman
 Trango Broadband 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:41 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials
 
 Thanks Mark, I have logged these items in our spreadsheet.  Once Cliff
 sends me a shipping address I will post it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:57 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Needed Materials
 
 I've got some Trango Fox SU's.  Not sure how many.  I believe I have a
 Trango AP as well.  5830 I think.  In a few weeks I'll be taking out
 some old BreezeCom (Alvarion) SU-I-D-1D's (2.4GHz).
 - Original Message -
 From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:14 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Needed Materials
 
 
 Cliff just responded to me that he could use the following items.
 Here is an excerpt of his email.
 
 
 
 Trango Atlas P2P's
 Trango AP
 Trango SU's (5830's and Fox5800)
 Old Alvarion 2.4 AU's and SU-A's
 Alvarion 900 AU and SU's
 
 Most importantly, Alvarion VL 5.3Ghz AU and SU's
 
 We also have some Mikrotiks too.
 
 Also I will be needing typical mast, tripods and mounting supplies
 (anchors, tape, etc.) I'm not sure about what I will be able to find
 locally. I have picked up some of this stuff, and have asked two other
 
 techs who evacuated to see what they can gather up on their way down.
 
 
 
 If you can compile a list of what people have available, I'll take
 what I can either through generous donation or discount. Then, I'll
 source the remainder.
 
 When I get a better assessment this week as I return. I'll send you a
 damage report. However, I can't get a good picture of the subs until
 they start returning.
 
 Hopefully I can get to the office tomorrow and get reliable Internet
 
 service to communicate with others again.
 
 Thanks again.
 Cliff
 
 
 
 Please send me an email if you can donate any of the above items.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Good Golly Gustav

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

To all those who have asked, or were wondering...

I live in Houma, LA, where Gustav visited...

For the first time in my life, we evacuated. Now... I'm stuck in MS
waiting to get home. Family is well. Internet access the past few days has
been difficult to get.

There is much devastation back home. I apparently lost two live oaks, a
pine through my barn/garage and other superficial damage at my home. My
babysitter that I offered to evacuate with us was determined to stay
home. At the last minute, she decided she wanted out. Too late... So,
she and her family stayed at my home since it is was much sturdier and
on much higher ground than hers (mine is about 6 ft about the sea as
compared to hers at 3 ft below and about 20 miles closer to the gulf
than mine). They were shaken but are as well as can be.

As-far-as the office, the building is good. NOC running on generator since
power went out Monday at about 7 am. Good thing it is fed by the city's
natural gas and I don't have to keep refueling...

We have much damage to our wireless infrastructure. Not sure of the extent,
but all towers have damage needing to be addressed. Don't know about the
subs since they don't have power for us to see their end, but am expecting
may problems with CPE's and mounts.

The whole area has much wind damage. On the bright side, it appears flooding
was only in the southern most part of the Parish from what I can tell.

If you have watched the weather channel, St. Francis School that was
ripped apart on TV is where my girls attend. The local State Trooper's
office had its roof torn off, as-well-as many homes. Trees and power line
down everywhere. They are forecasting three weeks with no electricity.

They are not letting people back in until Friday from what I hear. I do
have a pass permit to re-enter. Now that I have the family situated,
I'll head back tomorrow. It's a damn having the mixed feelings of whether I
should have stayed instead of leaving, but I guess the family is a little
more important to me these days than the business...Maybe I'm finally
growing up AND feel fortunate enough to be able to have been able to make
that choice for myself. Not everyone IS so lucky!

I'll provide more information when I can.

Thanks,
Cliff


On 9/2/08 12:52 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jeff  List folk,
 
 
 Gustav didn't pack the punch that Katrina did, but part of that is/was
 due to the Southern States having a plan in place to evacuate MANDATORARILY
 before the storm came ashore. This will be a huge factor in the amount of
 aide that will be needed today and in the weeks to come. The bad thing about
 the mandatory evacuation (from what we are seeing/hearing today) is that
 Gustav did roll in and destroy everything thus all the folks that evacuated
 this time will not leave next time a hurricane comes along. I personally
 feel like the next time a hurricane comes through Louisiana - - it will be
 devastating and many lives lost.
 
  The last account I heard was 1.2 million without electricity in the
 southern part of the state and we lost power here (up to 3 days out) 360
 miles North of landfall at 11:30am this morning. The NOC and our offices are
 powered by generators so we are ok - - -short of no air-conditioning in the
 office and the mosquitoes will be out in full force about dark:30We have
 gotten a lot of rain through all this and the wind has been howling here
 since the hurricane came ashore. We haven't lost but one AP (cable flopping
 up the tower in the wind) but have talked with Cliff LeBoeuf (Houma La,)
 this morning (CSSLA  Triparish.net) who is a WISPA member and he lost a
 400' tower as well as numerous APs and Back haul radios due to lightening
 and wind damage. He is currently in Mississippi with his wife and baby girls
 and all are doing fine in their RV. He is very concerned about his network
 and we are working with him to see that he has what it takes to get
 everything back up and running. Cliff's network admin rode the storm out and
 says all is fine with their NOC, bandwidth and offices, but the power is
 going to be the issue as they too are running on propane fired generators
 and may be three weeks till power is restored. That will take a few gallons
 of propane!
 
 I will try to keep everyone informed as things progress and more is known
 about the situation. I personally want to thank those who have volunteered
 to come down if there be need - -and to thank the vendors who volunteered to
 send gear. You folks are great! I personally want to set up a board of
 advisors for the next hurricane and all of you who volunteered will be on it
 if you are willing to assist me in setting up a formal relief strategy.
 
 (I am glad outlook saves a copy of email in progress - generator died while
 typing this) :-)
 
 Thanks again,
 Mac
  
 
 
   
 
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 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10

Re: [WISPA] OT: Property taxes

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Similarly, how do I represent myself on the death/inheritance tax
situation when that tax affects me?


On 7/28/08 9:43 AM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I wanted to share this scenario and see if it's the same around the
 country, or just here.
 
 We own the building our office is located in... however, none of the
 actual owners are located within the city limits where the office is
 located. This isn't a big deal, except we are unable to vote on any of
 the issues because none of the owners are in the city limits. So, when
 it's voting time, especially with tax related items, we are unable to
 cast our vote... even when it affects the amount of property taxes we
 have to pay on the building.
 
 Taxation without representation? It sure seems that way to me. Anyone
 else have similar experiences?
 
 Travis
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[WISPA] Looking to buy - SU-A-5.3-xx-VL's

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

I am looking for a couple of Alvarion Subscriber units P/N SU-A-5.3-6-BD-VL
or SU-A-5.3-54-BD-VL.

If you have any, new or USED, please send asking price and qty off-line.

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[WISPA] Opinion - Licensed P2P Link

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

I am considering upgrading a P2P link that is 18 miles to a licensed link.

It appears that Trango has attractive pricing on their Gigalink solution. We
have used Trango equipment and have experienced the good and bad. However, I
am overall pleased with the company and their products.

I would like to know the good and bad of their Gigalink products from those
that have implemented their solution, as-well-as any comparable/competitive
solutions.

Also, it appears that I can get 99.997 reliability out of an 11Ghz solution
with 4ft dishes, and 99.8 from 6Ghz with the 6ft dishes. Do both of
these numbers seem correct in my area of Louisiana? I do plan on keepong my
current Orthogon 5.8Ghz link as a fail-over.

Reply on or off-list.

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[WISPA] Wanted -- SU-NI-1D-HP-2.4

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

I am looking for a couple of Alvarion Subscriber Indoor units P/N
SU-NI-1D-HP-2.4.

If you have any, new or used, please send asking price and qty off-line.

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[WISPA] Calling JohnnyO...

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Oh where... Oh where... Has my Little JohnnyO gone
Oh where... Oh where... Can he be





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Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Wrap your equipment in a burlap sack! Recently went through such a
situation, but NOT the 3-day notice part.

What does your contract state for such work?



On 5/21/08 2:36 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't
 administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to
 maintenance on tower.  Evidently there is lead in the tower and a
 contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the
 tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards.  The problem is this
 is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs,
 and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been
 working on for 4-5 months.  Anyway has anyone had to work around similar
 situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they
 tell me it could be up to 2 months.  By that time there will be no one
 left that will want service.
 
  
 
 Any thoughts?
 
  
 
 __
 
  
 
 Patrick Nix, Jr.,
 
 csweb.net
 
 (800) 638-2614
 
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

Randy, your membership should carry the vote. Just like some of us pay more
taxes than others, we still only get one vote. (except in LA and FL)  ;D


On 5/21/08 12:50 PM, Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Davis,
 
   
 you'll pay $100 per year.  $400 subs, 400.
   
 Let me throw in a devils advocate question here.  If I have 400
 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000
 customers who pays $10,000?  If you look at this in the purely corporate
 sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble

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Time to revisit your contract IMO...


On 5/21/08 3:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off
 for water tower maintenance.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
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 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
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 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
 
 Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't
 administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to
 maintenance on tower.  Evidently there is lead in the tower and a
 contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the
 tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards.  The problem is this
 is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs,
 and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been
 working on for 4-5 months.  Anyway has anyone had to work around similar
 situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they
 tell me it could be up to 2 months.  By that time there will be no one
 left that will want service.
 
  
 
 Any thoughts?
 
  
 
 __
 
  
 
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 csweb.net
 
 (800) 638-2614
 
 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/
 
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[WISPA] Interesting information about Gmail

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This is an interesting article if you have a gmail account...

http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/2-hidden-ways-to-get-more-from-your.ht
ml

Of course you all probably already knew about this trick as I am always the
last to know... :)

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[WISPA] Needs - Antenna Mast

[Cliff - iBook]

I am looking for another source for the typical TV antenna pole that we have
been using.

We have been purchasing 30  50' telescopic antenna masts from our local
Lowes and Home Depot stores. Recently, they have stopped carrying these
here.

If anyone knows of another source for these at a reasonable cost, it would
be appreciated.

- Cliff




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[WISPA] Motivational

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I thought that some of you may enjoy watching these inspirational videos. I
did!
http://www.simpletruths.com/movies/index.asp


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Employees Plan to Protest Kevin Martin's 3rd Anniversary as FCC Chairman

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Did this event take place?


On 3/16/08 8:46 PM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 According to the following article, a number of FCC staffers are not
 happy working under FCC Chairman Kevin Martin.
 
 
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 A Federal Communications Commission employee called me on Friday and
 said that this Tuesday, the third anniversary of Kevin Martin's tenure
 as Chair of the FCC, at least some staff will arrive at work dressed in
 black. A silent but expressive protest is what they're calling the
 move. What for? I asked. Because this place is hell, came the reply.
 
 Some background: Last week Ars Technica published my story
 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080313-congress-dons-rubber-glove-prep
 ares-probe-of-fcc-chairman.html
 about how John Dingell's House Energy and Commerce Committee has
 demanded detailed FCC records related to over a dozen super-sensitive
 FCC issues and policies. We're talking e-mails, personnel records,
 letters of inquiry, meeting minutes, the works.
 
 Shortly after the piece appeared that I got this e-mail: In regard to
 Dingell's latest investigatory letter sent to the FCC March 12, it
 began, just heard from some old colleagues at the FCC that they are all
 happily working on meeting the requests in this letter. And that the FCC
 staff are all going to be wearing black on Tuesday, March 18
 http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/martin/, as a sign of protest on the
 third anniversary of Martin being Chairman 
 
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 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080316-fcc-insider-this-place-is-hell-s
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[WISPA] Managed Services Opportunity

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We have been asked to provided managed services for a wireless network that
we did not install.

The customer acquired this network through a grant. We are familiar with the
equipment installed and have the ability to support them in their on-going
needs.

My questions to the group are:

- Does anyone have an agreement to cover such services that they'd be
willing to share with me?

- How and what would you charge for:

- the initial assessment and inventory
- and the on-going monitoring and maintenance of their equipment and
network?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] tower install

[Cliff LeBoeuf]

JO, you're now a vendor member? :)


On 3/13/08 9:33 PM, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike - what city are you installing this in ? Let me know - we're in the
 area, I'll check on crane pricing and see what we could do for you.
 
 As Bob stated, make sure whoever it is has the proper insurance. Any
 mistakes or carelessness could cost you bigtime.
 
 We're fully equipped.
 
 Regards,
 
 JohnnyO
 337.368.7188
 
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 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower install
 
 
 We already purchased the tower.
 
 Mike Goicoechea
 
 
 
 
 
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 sounds pretty reasonable. Did you already buy the tower yourself or are
 they providing everything?
 
 -Cameron
 
 We are installing a tower (super titian sc 100 200 foot) in east Texas.
 We
 have got a bunch of quotes from different companies. We have received
 between $12,000-$24,000 for complete installation. Is that a normal
 amount?
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software

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Oh! ... I learn SO much from this organization... :)


On 2/28/08 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Implantable GPS locator/ heart-rate monitor.
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 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
 
 
 Alex wrote:
 Go hire a gumshoe.
 
 Hide a webcam in the ceiling (or under the bed or...) One of the new
 ones with built-in Web interface and wi-fi. Have it connect to the home
 network, forward a couple ports, spy on the spouse from the office.
 
 Or set up a Mikrotik to intercept/log traffic. Might as well use their
 CALEA support for something.
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software

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JO,

You may be a legend in your own mind, but she has BIGGER and BETTER things
in her life... :O

CL


On 2/28/08 8:32 PM, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cliff - you don't need to worry about cheating spouse software... I told you
 years ago it was ME who Marsha was seeing on the side..
 
 No need for a GPS tracker either, or camera, or any of that stuff. Anytime
 you want to know where we are, just call ! Anytime you want pics, let me
 know - I'll send you some ! Anytime you wanna see what she's sending me on
 the computer, let me know - I'll forward you the emails !
 
 Muahahahahaha
 
 Your buddy,
 
 JohnnyO
 
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 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
 
 
 Oh! ... I learn SO much from this organization... :)
 
 
 On 2/28/08 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Implantable GPS locator/ heart-rate monitor.
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 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
 
 
 Alex wrote:
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