Re: [WISPA] Stuff for Sale, Trango, Fiber, etc

[Sales]

Why did you pull the versatek fiber equipment ?

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On Aug 6, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Cameron Kilton  wrote:

> I have: (I will take care of shipping expenses within US)
>
> (1) Trango P5055M-EXT-US - Working pull this week - Would like to  
> see $450
>
> (1) Set of Adtran Opti-3 Fiber DS3 Multiplexer. Deliver three DS3  
> from a
> signle OC-3 Feed.
> http://www.adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/product/1184003L1/270 -
> Would like to see $600 or best offer for them.
>
> (1) Versa Tek VX-EP3108 GePON head end for 126 client card. Includes  
> 1 CPE
> http://www.versatek.com/products/vxep3108.htm
> $500 takes it paid over $3000 for it last fall.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Thanks,
> Cameron Kilton
> Project Manager
> Midcoast Internet Solutions
> http://www.midcoast.com
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> (207) 594-8277 x 108
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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[Sales]

Lol no!

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On Mar 11, 2010, at 5:01 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:

>
> Ima gonna tell stevie jobs on you! :)
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Sales  wrote:
>
>> Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh
>>  works like a charm.
>>
>> John Buwa
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>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology  wrote:
>>
>>> I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an
>>> ssh
>>> app for the iPhone.
>>> I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need
>>> something
>>> like because I don't have an iPhone.
>>>
>>> But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh
>>> app.
>>>
>>> I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it.  I know that
>>> $7.99
>>> for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I
>>> don't
>>> mind spending the money.  This also appears to have a vnc client as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
>>> operations would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> LaRoy McCann
>>> Data Technology
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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[Sales]

Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh  
 works like a charm.

John Buwa
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On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology  wrote:

> I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh
> app for the iPhone.
> I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need  
> something
> like because I don't have an iPhone.
>
> But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh  
> app.
>
> I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it.  I know that  
> $7.99
> for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I  
> don't
> mind spending the money.  This also appears to have a vnc client as  
> well.
>
> Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
> operations would be appreciated.
>
> LaRoy McCann
> Data Technology
>
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[WISPA] Need Trango 900 AP

[Computer Sales]

Need 1 or 2 M900S-AP 's. Please contact off list. Tks.



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Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddata delivery is here to stay.

[sales]

Hmm great comcast plans on launching there own on demand service now...

"http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Comcast-On-Demand-Online-live-next-month-111309.aspx";

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

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I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?

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- Original Message -
From: "Jayson Baker" 
To: "Joe Miller" , "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:35:17 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

MikroTik Level 7 matching?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Joe Miller  wrote:

> I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything
> on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of
> the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Sales 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
>
> So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?
>
> John Buwa
> Michiana Wireless,Inc
> 574-233-7170
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> > Just confirmed with torch.
> >
> > Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
> > Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
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> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
> >>> Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
> >>> even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been
> >>> getting
> >>> some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the
> >>> day.
> >>> I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
> >>> down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then
> >>> that
> >>> is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.
> >>
> >> Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
> >> Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.
> >>
> >>> How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
> >>> curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
> >>> streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and
> >>> complaining
> >>> about the slow Internet speeds.
> >>
> >> Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
> >> priority than other traffic.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Sales]

So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?

John Buwa
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On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman   
wrote:

> Just confirmed with torch.
>
> Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
> Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans   
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
>>> Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
>>> even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been  
>>> getting
>>> some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the  
>>> day.
>>> I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
>>> down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then  
>>> that
>>> is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.
>>
>> Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
>> Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.
>>
>>> How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
>>> curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
>>> streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and  
>>> complaining
>>> about the slow Internet speeds.
>>
>> Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
>> priority than other traffic.
>>
>> --
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[WISPA] Wind Load 60cm (2') Parabolic Dish

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

Anyone have a breakdown on this somewhere? Showing wind load at various wind
speeds?

Thanks



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Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

[Sales]

Awesome but that wasn't much help lol.

John Buwa
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On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, "Dennis Burgess"  
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> Plenty of ways :)
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Sales
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
>
> We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same
> interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we
> seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to
> tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would
> like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.
>
> Thanks
> John
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[WISPA] Bgp and mt

[Sales]

We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same  
interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we  
seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to  
tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would  
like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.

Thanks
John 



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[WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

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Ok,

Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the 
other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. 
Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were 
getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router 
to everything. 

average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. 

We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc 
to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port 
ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL 
getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd 
part I do not get.

We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on 
the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping 
specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us 
around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the 
bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is 
this possible?

PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets

Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets

? 




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[WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

[sales]

Ok,

Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the 
other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. 
Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were 
getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router 
to everything. 

average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. 

We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc 
to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port 
ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL 
getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd 
part I do not get.

We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on 
the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping 
specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us 
around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the 
bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is 
this possible?

PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets

Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets

? 




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Re: [WISPA] Organite defense

[sales]

HAARP anyone? :)

- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:55:35 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: [WISPA] Organite defense

Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your
towers?

Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned
organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been
working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather
control project.

I'm looking for something that can counter act this most powerful substance.
Any ideas? My handlers at the NSA won't help, you all know how THAT goes!
Always their needs, never mine.  National security this, weather control
that, blah, blah, blah  Whatever.

In case you aren't in the loop and haven't received your secret and
confidential memo, look it up on You Tube.  It will explain the danger.

I feel like I need to sprinkle maybe some ground up goat spleen or something
around the tower for protection from the organite energy waves...
It works to slow my electric meter, maybe it will defend against this as
well.  Too bad Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies isn't with us any more,
she would certainly know the fix for this.

Suggestions are welcome.



The serious side of this is that I see it's been going around and I just saw
it.  More crazies messing about the towers.  I had a long
conversation with a customer today about all of this, she was "concerned"
about these weather experiments and wanted to know if we were involved.  How
do you defend against stupidity?









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Phone: 574-233-7170 

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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric 
company and he had no idea that they ceased opporations. He is not aware there 
is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested 
in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and 
left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take 
over the pole attachments eagerly.

Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they 
have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont 
think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in 
the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they 
got in place and tie it back to our stuff?

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: jree...@18-30chat.net
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they
ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the
amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles.

Blake Bowers wrote:
> We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and
> almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost
> total disarray when sold.
> 
> It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found
> being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of
> years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from
> whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous.  You
> may have better luck.
> 
> http://www.windjammercable.com
> 
> 
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
> 
> 
>> During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric 
>> company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting 
>> to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased 
>> providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of 
>> the digital transition.
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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

Ok here is the current situation. I spoke with my pole rep at the electric 
company and he had no idea that they ceased operations. He is not aware there 
is any problem with payment on the pole agreements. How he was very interested 
in avoiding another situation from another cable company that went belly up and 
left fiber. He said if they, windjammer, give the ok they will allow us to take 
over the pole attachments eagerly.

Now that leads to my big question. If we can take over the existing cable they 
have, can we use it? Would we have to replace it with something else? I dont 
think we will get access to where the headend was but only existing cable in 
the area we are looking to run fiber in. Can we manage to leverage what they 
got in place and tie it back to our stuff?

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Blake Bowers" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:29:57 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

Same sort of situation we ran into.  The selling company only owned them a
fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their
attachment fees from the company before.

Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with 
others.


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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications


> The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving 
> areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading 
> the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only 
> been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles 
> etc...
>




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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

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The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving 
areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the 
rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead 
for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc...

John

- Original Message -
From: jree...@18-30chat.net
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Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they
ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the
amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles.

Blake Bowers wrote:
> We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and
> almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost
> total disarray when sold.
> 
> It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found
> being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of
> years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from
> whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous.  You
> may have better luck.
> 
> http://www.windjammercable.com
> 
> 
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
> 
> 
>> During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric 
>> company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting 
>> to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased 
>> providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of 
>> the digital transition.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

So was your deal with the power company based on wind jammer infrastructure? 
Can you tell more about this deal? Did you use existing copper or replace with 
fiber or go hybrid? Off list if you prefer. The owners of the poles is the 
electric company.

Thanks for any insight!

John


We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was
hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be
a "discount" because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so.

if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be
a little more fruit-full.

ryan

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers  wrote:
> We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and
> almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost
> total disarray when sold.
>
> It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found
> being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of
> years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from
> whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous.  You
> may have better luck.
>
> http://www.windjammercable.com
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
>
>
>> During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric
>> company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting
>> to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased
>> providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of
>> the digital transition.
>
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[WISPA] wind jammer communications

[sales]

During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric 
company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to 
get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing 
services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital 
transition.

Does anyone know if it would be of any worth to see about acquiring windjammers 
existing infrastructure in the rural areas that they stopped using? Anyone 
actively doing this? I am not sure if it would be worth pursuing but seeing 
that the infrastructure is in place already, just a wild idea.

John




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Re: [WISPA] Nesc codes

[Sales]

How safe would the follow assumption be when counting existing cables  
in the communications space on poles?

4 just forget it
3 might be able to
2 pretty good chance
1 great chance

:) ?

John Buwa
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574-233-7170
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On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:51 PM, AJ  wrote:

> The work we do with Idaho Power here requires us to be 30" below the  
> lowest
> conductor (grounded neutral in our case) from power and 40" from the  
> lowest
> primary distribution. However, if triplex is coming off the pole  
> (secondary
> single phase 120/240v from transformer to house, basically the power  
> drop),
> we have to be 40" below the attachment point of the secondary and  
> 30" apart
> at the lowest sag point mid-span.
>
> The 40" applies to basically primary below 13kv... Above 13kv, i.e.  
> 14.4kv
> or 24.94 kv, we have to be at least 43" below the lowest primary  
> conductor
> or any part of the insulator of the conductor at a cross arm.
>
> As far as attachment at the pole, we're required to maintain 12"  
> between the
> centers of the attachment bolts between CATV, Phone and any other
> communications provider, i.e. point to point fiber, alarm,  
> government fiber,
> etc. Any amplifier or other device on the line, including drip loops  
> on
> hardline coax, have to maintain 6" clearance from any other  
> communications
> cable.
>
> With that being said, for new attachments with ice loading, we have to
> maintain the lowest possible sag of 15' 6" which leaves us at  
> between 17'
> and 19' AGL at the attachment. Combine this is a transformer and  
> residential
> triplex drop leaves you with three, sometimes less, eligible  
> communications
> attachments on the majority of the shorter 45' and 55' poles.
>
> In some of our more crowded corridors, we've gone to cross arms  
> where we can
> load up 4 to 6 utilities horizontally rather than vertically,  
> however, this
> is usually to compensate for sag at mid span or too short of a pole  
> for 6
> attachments to begin with.
>
> You're looking for NESC Joint Use with is between sections 230 and  
> 238 I
> believe...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Sales   
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does anyone know exactly what the nesc codes for fiber on poles are?
>> We have a run that we want to do and the poles are kinda crowded. The
>> electric company told us the phone company has to stay on bottom and
>> there has to be certain gaps. If they have to move people up to make
>> room they may need to replace poles at our cost. He said we can be  
>> the
>> judge for free if we follow nesc codes and estimate if we can find a
>> gap anywhere. So what exactly are we looking for ?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nesc codes

[Sales]

Can we send pics to this list? I noticed on most poles between power  
and nonpower lines there is a plastic looking black ring wrapped  
around the pole. Is this a marker of sort for seperation?

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On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:51 PM, AJ  wrote:

> The work we do with Idaho Power here requires us to be 30" below the  
> lowest
> conductor (grounded neutral in our case) from power and 40" from the  
> lowest
> primary distribution. However, if triplex is coming off the pole  
> (secondary
> single phase 120/240v from transformer to house, basically the power  
> drop),
> we have to be 40" below the attachment point of the secondary and  
> 30" apart
> at the lowest sag point mid-span.
>
> The 40" applies to basically primary below 13kv... Above 13kv, i.e.  
> 14.4kv
> or 24.94 kv, we have to be at least 43" below the lowest primary  
> conductor
> or any part of the insulator of the conductor at a cross arm.
>
> As far as attachment at the pole, we're required to maintain 12"  
> between the
> centers of the attachment bolts between CATV, Phone and any other
> communications provider, i.e. point to point fiber, alarm,  
> government fiber,
> etc. Any amplifier or other device on the line, including drip loops  
> on
> hardline coax, have to maintain 6" clearance from any other  
> communications
> cable.
>
> With that being said, for new attachments with ice loading, we have to
> maintain the lowest possible sag of 15' 6" which leaves us at  
> between 17'
> and 19' AGL at the attachment. Combine this is a transformer and  
> residential
> triplex drop leaves you with three, sometimes less, eligible  
> communications
> attachments on the majority of the shorter 45' and 55' poles.
>
> In some of our more crowded corridors, we've gone to cross arms  
> where we can
> load up 4 to 6 utilities horizontally rather than vertically,  
> however, this
> is usually to compensate for sag at mid span or too short of a pole  
> for 6
> attachments to begin with.
>
> You're looking for NESC Joint Use with is between sections 230 and  
> 238 I
> believe...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Sales   
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does anyone know exactly what the nesc codes for fiber on poles are?
>> We have a run that we want to do and the poles are kinda crowded. The
>> electric company told us the phone company has to stay on bottom and
>> there has to be certain gaps. If they have to move people up to make
>> room they may need to replace poles at our cost. He said we can be  
>> the
>> judge for free if we follow nesc codes and estimate if we can find a
>> gap anywhere. So what exactly are we looking for ?
>>
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[WISPA] Nesc codes

[Sales]

Does anyone know exactly what the nesc codes for fiber on poles are?
We have a run that we want to do and the poles are kinda crowded. The
electric company told us the phone company has to stay on bottom and
there has to be certain gaps. If they have to move people up to make
room they may need to replace poles at our cost. He said we can be the
judge for free if we follow nesc codes and estimate if we can find a
gap anywhere. So what exactly are we looking for ?



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[WISPA] Mikrotik BGP

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How to weight bgp paths with Mikrotik? 

We have two feeds using two bgp connections to two different providers. Our 
first that we been using is completely usage based. The new one we just added 
is our new cogent link which is 100M flat rate. I would prefer most if not all 
traffic now use the cogent link of course. But how in MT can you instruct it to 
send most traffic when possible over a specific bgp path vs. the other path? 
This can not be done via physical interface as they are both connected to the 
same port on the router.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] BBS'n

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Lord rocked, I think I ran that on my spitfire system before we went  
to worldgroup. Running deskview so we could run multiple lines on  
spitfire. Then roboboard, wow the memories ;)

John Buwa
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On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:55 AM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:

> On Sun, August 23, 2009 11:15 pm, Blake Bowers wrote:
>> Now I have this desire to play Global War
>
> If I look through the filing cabinet long enough, I betcha I still  
> have my
> license key for Legend of the Red Dragon, which I bought for a then- 
> local
> BBS in 1994 or so...
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

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Hmm,

Well anything is possible, I guess. But I do not see how alerting a customer 
that his account went past due and presenting the option to pay it now, is 
slandering. If his account is past due, then it is past due, just a fact. I 
happen to know when I forget to pay may dish network bill and I have friends 
and family over watching tv that dish doesn't mind broadcasting to every TV in 
the house the announcement that my bill is past due and I should call them now 
to avoid interruption in my satellite service, they even present me with an 
option of paying right now by clicking pay now screen button. Hmmm, maybe I 
should file a law suite against dish to fund my next rollout :) All joking 
aside, We also have in our contracts that we can limit, redirect and remove 
access to ports, etc for whatever reason we feel we need to do that.

As for cutting off a client, yes we been there done that and still do it and it 
really p*sses them off. But if they had a choice they just wouldn't pay cause 
we owe them the Internet. Fact is some clients just wont pay there bill until 
there account is turned off, period. I am just trying to streamline the whole 
process so it can be done automatically and inconveniently convenient for 
everyone. Even with phone calls and letters etc... There are the clients who 
don't open there mail, those who are never home and don't have answering 
machines and those who check there email about once every other month or so. 
This is ideal for them and others, I feel at least.

They have total control over there account then. If they choose to wait till it 
gets turned off, at least with this method if they come home at 3am on a friday 
and try to use there internet for the first time and see there account was 
finally turned off they could immediately pay and get turned back on by 3:10 am 
instead of waiting till they can reach someone at the office the next day.

I guess there are pro's and con's... I like it though. I think we would be 
'owed' alot less money that we are now. 

John

There is some potential liability in this.

You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the
subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially
accidentally) using it.  In any case, you could be slandering the
subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people.  

It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a
demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their
subscription.  It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a
real deadbeat.

Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to
"never do business with that company again."  What you need to do is talk
with them without slandering them.

...just a thought...

. . . J o n a t h a n
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually
add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that
redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, "You
didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make a
payment to before your web surfing will be available again." Email still
works, etc...

We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my
billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing
system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally
interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting
them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay now.
If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were
doing. This way they are always in the "know" that they are behind and are
presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is
not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally.

Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next
script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely
to the pay your bill page until paid.

I hope that explains it better.

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Profito" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to
the 'Gracious Offer' page,  "If you call in the next seven days there will
be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!", Or maybe just redirect them to
a Web Mail Portal sign in page...  then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned
off including cancellation fees, if any.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California



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From: wireless-boun...@w

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

[sales]

Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually add a 
rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that redirects all his 
port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, "You didn't pay you bill for 
a long time and you need to contact us and make a payment to before your web 
surfing will be available again." Email still works, etc...

We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my billing 
system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing system and set 
a rule on the router board that will now occasionally interrupt the clients web 
browsing by redirecting them to a page letting them know they are now 31+ past 
due and offer them the chance to pay now. If they chose to not pay now, they 
can just continue with what they were doing. This way they are always in the 
"know" that they are behind and are presented with a way to cure that 
immediately. Again since the client is not way behind I just want the surfing 
to be redirect occasionally.

Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next script 
would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic indefinitely to the pay 
your bill page until paid.

I hope that explains it better.

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Profito" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to the
'Gracious Offer' page,  "If you call in the next seven days there will be no
reup fees, please see your e-mail!", Or maybe just redirect them to a Web
Mail Portal sign in page...  then 7-14 days later it ALL gets turned off
including cancellation fees, if any.


Chuck Profito
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cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of
the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit
a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. 

You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the
advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the
user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will
display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then
the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal.  

/ Eje

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Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client
routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will
occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets
them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they
refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be
multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a
quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid.

I tried this experiment on my home connection:

0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 
 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 
 nth=5,1

Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the
1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially
displayed pages?

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[WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

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What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client routerboard 
when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will occasionally 
redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets them know there 
account is past due and offer a payment page. If they refresh they should be 
able to continue browsing. This is intended to be multipurpose, informative to 
the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a quick way to get caught up and be 
a tad annoying until paid.

I tried this experiment on my home connection:

0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 
 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 
 nth=5,1

Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the 
1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially 
displayed pages?

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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Link Loss

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

No, nothing new. This has been an ongoing issue for years. Does not last all
day and does not happen every day. Can start as early as 8pm but usually
after midnight. Usually gone before or just after sunrise. (Has occurred
during daylight on rare occasions - I'm going to have to start a log just
for this event!). Seems to be predominant in the summer. I see it happening
to short links (PtMP) also, just doesn't get bad enough to "drop". My gut
feeling has always been that it's "temperature/pressure change" related.

Ed

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Has the link changed completely?  Or does it come and go with time of
> day?  Are both ends of the link at the same height?  If so, the
> reflection point will be roughly half the path.  If not, the
> reflection point will be closer to the lower antenna.  Has anything
> changed in the terrain at the reflection point?  Are these paths
> urban or rural?  Could there be some new growth at the reflection point?
>
> If the phenomenon has not passed, it may not be tropospheric
> ducting.  Although ducting can persist for a day or so, if it's still
> degraded, probably not.
>
> If the path is over an urban are it may be Rayleigh fading, or Rician
> fading if the path is over trees and such.
>
> Did someone else show up and start shooting across your path,
> especially at mid path?
>
> There is a wealth of knowledge on this list, but we still need some more
> info.
>
> Did all of the 3? paths degrade similarly?
>
> Mike
>
> >Both links are using Radiowave 3' high performance antennas. One
> >link is a pair of Orthogon units, the other are Trango Tlink10's and
> >a third 20mi link are Trango Atlases.
> >
> >This scenario is setup as an OSPF 'ring'.
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Re: [WISPA] Throttle

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Majority is Mikrotik for cpe with some trango mixed. The tower 
routers/bandwidth limiting is done via Mikrotik as well. Tower units are RB600 
or PC based Mikrotik.

> Currently we have a router setup at each tower site and do bandwidth limiting 
> on it with simple queues and the users ip. But we want to setup our billing 
> system so the office help can change packages and we just have it login to 
> the 
> ip in billing and automatically run a script to set the bandwidth throttle.

What kind of router and cpe?  Much of this will depend on the answers to
those questions.

> But is the a disadvantage to limiting at the cpe vs. the tower?

There is no disadvantage given the fact that you will be scripting the
configuration.  The only real disadvantage is the management aspect, but
with this being controlled centrally, there is no disadvantage at all.

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[WISPA] Throttle

[sales]

Question: Which is better? Throttle the cpe at the cpe or at the router?

Currently we have a router setup at each tower site and do bandwidth limiting 
on it with simple queues and the users ip. But we want to setup our billing 
system so the office help can change packages and we just have it login to the 
ip in billing and automatically run a script to set the bandwidth throttle.

But is the a disadvantage to limiting at the cpe vs. the tower?

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Re: [WISPA] Used gear

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Wow yes we will buy trango 900's working for 70.00 as well :)

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On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:22 PM, jp  wrote:

> We'd pay $200 for 900 trango SUs. ten at a time.
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:22:10PM -0700, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>> I need 18GHz DW dishes 2' or larger - I'd pay $70 for working  
>> 900MHz Trango SUs with internal antenna.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> `S
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:11 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Used gear
>>
>> Trying to clean out some of our inventory, thought I'd try here first
>> before ebay, just email me if you have any interest.
>>
>> Highlights, of tested gear, if you are looking for something else  
>> let me
>> know, we have quite a lot we are testing and sorting still.
>>
>> Teletronics 120/19db horizontal, Maxrad 120 adjustable sectors
>> horizontal, Tranzeo CPQ15's and 19's, TR-6000's, TR-5a's/5A-24's,  
>> Trango
>> 900mhz, 95 degree horizontal sectors.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Routerboard Heat Tolerances

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

RB532's and 112's in enclosures on top of water towers. It's been >95 every
day for almost 2 weeks! (I think the heat advisory icon in my system tray is
permanent!) Most of these are multiple years old.

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> Has anyone used a Routerboard (Specifically a 433) in a hot
> enviroment? I have cabinets that reach 115*F in the summer, even after
> being shaded and ventilated. Would I be looking at lockup problems or
> an early death? An AP-1000s will lock up in the box, although a
> Linksys WRT won't. (don't ask)
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Re: [WISPA] FTTx

[sales]

Mike,

Who are you working with for the build out quotes? We got quotes around 13,000 
per mile. Was this the hang it or bury it?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: sarn...@info-ed.com, "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:08:43 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx

It's about $10k/mile to build aerial 60 - 96 strand aerial cable.

It's about $1600/home to do a 400 or so home FTTx deployment.

Singlemode is what you'll want to use.


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From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FTTx

> What kind of cost are we looking at to get into fiber? What is the cost of 
> fiber now by the foot...I know this will vary by type and strands...so say 
> multimode, around 100 strands. I do not know much about fiber, so sorry if 
> these are stupid questions.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Charles Wyble 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:03:21 -0700
>
>>H. thanks for the heads up.
>>
>>Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>>> On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Charles Wyble wrote:
>>>
 I'm also interested in this information.

 WiFI and other wireless networking technologies have there place, but
 fiber does as well.

 Is there any operational lists for small/medium FTTx providers?
>>>
>>> Funny you should ask...WISPA is just starting up a new Fiber list as
>>> it turns out. It's a WISPA members list.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
 Mike Hammett wrote:
> okay, PONs have gotten faster since I last looked.  Last I knew
> they had
> peaks of a few hundred megs per it's equivalent of an AP.  Now it's
> peak is
> 2.5 GB and there's a new spec due later this year for maybe 10 GB.
> I'll
> open it up to PONs.  ;-)
>
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> Subject: [WISPA] FTTx
>
>> Has anyone here done any FTTx deployments?  I'm looking for a non-
>> PON
>> solution.  Small scale.
>>
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[WISPA] Fiber Products

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Hello,

Does anyone have a good online source for OSP fiber products such as trunk 
cables, pedestals, dmarcs, etc...?

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Re: [WISPA] IPTV (OT but hey, we are all in this biz to do crazy IP based stuff)

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Can you email me offlist about this stuff?

Thanks,
John Buwa

- Original Message -
From: "Joe Miller" 
To: "D. Ryan Spott" , "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:41:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV (OT but hey, we are all in this biz to do crazy IP 
based stuff)


pretty muchnow we have fiber CPE's, pedestals, fiber switches, a 4 gateway 
DirecTV MFH3 IPTV system, and other parts collecting dust in a building.



- Original Message 
From: D. Ryan Spott 
To: Joe Miller ; WISPA General List 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:36:17 PM
Subject: IPTV (OT but hey, we are all in this biz to do crazy IP based stuff)

So why did it get shutdown?

ryan

Joe Miller wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You looking for equipment for IPTV? or any other FTTX equipment? I was doing 
> a ftth project and it got shut down. I do have some AFL material along with a 
> complete MFH3 TVIP system for sale.
>
> Hit me off list.
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> - Original Message 
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> To: WISPA General List 
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> Subject: [WISPA] Other lists
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> Does anyone know of any good discussion lists\forums that cover MVNO and IPTV 
> operations?
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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

[sales]

With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments? Our 
current leasing providers are not interested because of it being fiber? So what 
is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments?

John

- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-highway" if you
build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so
you should be able to stretch out the loan over many years. I am
looking at this myself. I think that it makes sense on long runs like
this to consider fiber. Pricing has come down considerably. Just my 2
cents worth.
Scriv


On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at
> least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so
> that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have
> maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about
> $1,000 per month.
>
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> Microserv
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> Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>> Those of you that are paying >$50/Mbps, what is keeping you from
>> building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber,
>> etc.)?  It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the
>> business plan as this is a big MRC.  Don't wait for someone to bring you
>> cheap bandwidth...go get it!  :-)
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

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Um. Amen !


-Original Message-
From: Blair Davis 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:11 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Some simple numbers...

$1700/month for 10Mbits.  Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I was paying 
out here.

1Mbit per Netflix or IPTV user.

$170 cost of bandwidth per user.

Users out here are not going to pay that.  Period.

The problem, out in the rural areas at least, is not delivering the bandwidth, 
it is getting it at a reasonable cost.

These apps use an order of magnitude more bandwidth than the standard web 
browsing and email apps we are used to.  But the users don't and won't 
understand that.

If you went to buy a new TV and it used an order of magnitude more power to run 
it, your electric bill would soon show you the error of your ways.

The only real solution to this problem is to move to per bit pricing.  That 
way, users will see the cost of what they are doing and adjust their usage to 
what they are willing to pay for.

Netflix, IPTV and other apps like them simply shift the their cost of doing 
business to us.  Unless we either refuse to support these apps, or begin 
billing our users for them, it will kill us.

The cable and dsl providers are starting to figure this out.

Blair



Tom DeReggi wrote: 
Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired
world?

Depends who you are referring by stating "wireless world".

The WISP providers are surely NOT "happy" with that.  They are just 
realistic about what they have available.
And they are creative enough to understand that there are still markets 
willing to deal with that, because WISPs have other things to offer of equal 
or greater value, to creat a WISP market.

I'm also not sure the public is "happy" with that. I haven't heard one 
public advocate at Broadband public meetings advocating "Please give money 
to wireless companies so we can have slower service".  Wireless will be a 
part of Stimulus grants because... We can argue we'll get you service 
sooner, and we'll stretch the dollar further to serve more areas and people, 
so less people get left without being served, and more people get better 
service than they currently have. In the long run, with Wireless, consumers 
will have to compromise for less, in exchange for the instant gratification 
that can be gained today.

WISPs deal with it because comparatively they are either broke, lazy, or 
impatient, in order to meet demand. Or I should say, don't want to end up 
broke.
I'm not meaning to be derogatory in using those terms. What I mean is...

Sure we'd all like to lay fiber.  We just don't want to wait 20 years for an 
ROI (impatient :-). We don't have millions and billions of Finance capabilty 
upfront (broke :-).
We don't want to spend years trying to get permits and negotiating easements 
with entities that care less about advancing our cause quickly (lazy :-).
The truth is Monopolies are willing to do all these things.  But they also 
grudgingly backout of their committments and delay as long as possible, 
because honestly they don't want to do it either, and are even more lazy, 
and clearly have all the time in the world, without competition forcing them 
to work harder.

The truth is, Wireless providers DO NEED faster equipment.  And the Truth 
is, we really aren't "lazy". (I was just kidding before :-)

So WiMax vendors,  Make us faster equipment!!! That we can Afford 
today!!!

There is a lot of grant money comming up this year. Here is your chance for 
volume orders, from the WISP market. Give us a reason to stay wireless 
providers and not to become a fiber provider. Backhaul transport providers 
are doing their part. But I think last mile manufacturers still have to do a 
better job. But more importantly give grant Decission makers a reason to 
favor wireless. Give them speeds that public advocates will be excited 
about. And give us price points that will let us do microcells to accomplish 
top penetration.  Wimax isn;t competing against wifi anymore, they are 
competing against fiber. I admit, Its a tall order to fill.  But I think 
clever innovators should be able to fill it.

$7 billion is not a lot to come anywhere close to helping "All" Americans 
get next generation broadband.  But $7 billion is a hech of a lot of money 
to inject into an ISP manufacturer industry. Lets just say $1 billion of it 
would go to Wireless infrastructure. Thats a lot of gear.  Lets start 
getting creative with those volume order low price offers? How low can you 
go to get a peice of that $billion?

Manufacturers, Let us know! The industry is writing their grant proposals 
now.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Suitor" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


  
Folks,

I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation.  This
th

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

I hear ya on the added zeroes, I think I saw that as well. I'm also pretty
sure they "lost" some of the data between when I started early last week and
when I resumed it this past weekend - I had to re-key a bunch of stuff I was
sure I already had done. Also started requiring 0% on residential when
earlier it allowed blank cells.

Ed


On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Randy Cosby  wrote:

> I actually did have Brian do ours as well.  My problem had more to do
> with how my internal stuff was organized and my rusty excel skills.
> We'll be much more prepared next time.  Thanks again Brian!
>
> Maybe I'm imagining things, but I could have sworn the FCC site put some
> of those zeros in automagically.
>
> Randy
>
>
> Don Renner wrote:
> > I would second the recommendation of Brian Webster's work. Took our 1000
> > people and produced the 28 census tracts in 7 counties. Total time after
> > receiving 1hr 15 min.
> >
> > Don Renner
> > NetsurfUSA
> > 812-936-4514
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:40 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN (form 477 comments)
> >
> > If you're asking about form 477 the due date is in 22 minutes.
> > http://www.fcc.gov/form477/
> >
> > JUST got ours in 20 min ago. Shew!!! Only took 2 guys 7 hours straight
> > to churn the data into FCC acceptabledata. I'll keep my comments to
> > myself on this.
> >
> > Dylan
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:42 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> > What is the due date for that form?
> >
> > Cliff Olle wrote:
> > With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the
> > filing
> > in 5 minutes.  I highly recommend if you are getting close to crunch
> > time
> > and are looking up tract data to give him a shot on this.  Best $100 I
> > ever
> > spent.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> > oh man, we're STILL working on the 477.  Isn't that an absolute
> > disaster?
> >
> > We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.
> >
> > sigh
> >
> > I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files
> >
> > that will export the data in a file for the fcc.  Let them sort all of
> > the
> > crap out.
> >
> > My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this!
> >
> > g
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Scott Piehn"  
> > To:   ;
> > "WISPA General List"  
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> >
> >
> >   agreed
> >
> >   When we had specific questions, we called ARIN.  Got someone
> > right away
> >   that
> >   new what they were talking about
> >
> >   Easier than Form 477 for us
> >
> >   Scott
> >
> >
> >   - Original Message -
> >   From: "Scott Carullo" 
> > 
> >   To: "WISPA General List" 
> > 
> >   Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> >
> >
> >   You dont need that - just go to their website and you
> > can call too - its
> >   easy.
> >
> >   Scott Carullo
> >   Brevard Wireless
> >   321-205-1100 x102
> >
> >    Original Message 
> >
> >   From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> > 
> >   Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
> >   To: "WISPA General List" 
> > 
> >   Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> >   We probably need to get our own ip addys now.
> > We're using 4 class c's
> >
> >   and
> >
> >   will need more pretty soon in one location.
> >
> >   Anyone know a consultant that can help with the
> > application process?
> >
> >   marlon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
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Re: [WISPA] WAS: speaking of ARIN now 477

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

The 23 page instruction doc shows "Estimated Average Burden Hours per
Response: 72 hours"  I have between 20 and 30 hours on mine. Census tracts
about double the number of zip codes, but yes, we'll keep the data, start
tracking it on new customers and use the csv option next time


On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Yeah, it is the opposite in many rural states. I can name one state that
> has
> 2 census tracts and 7 zip codes.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martha Huizenga" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:59 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] WAS: speaking of ARIN now 477
>
>
> > Yeah, it took me about 4 or 5 hours and we are a small WISP. I couldn't
> > bear lying about my census tracts. The biggest problem is that the
> > system adds them all up for you and then they don't give you good info
> > about which one might be wrong. It's really a nightmare. I had 43 census
> > tracts for my TWO zip codes.
> >
> > Can anyone beat that for census tracts?
> >
> > Sounds like if you are in a more rural area you might have more zips
> > then census tracts.
> >
> > Martha Huizenga
> > DC Access, LLC
> > 202-546-5898
> > */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
> > Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
> >
> > /*
> >
> >
> >
> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >> oh man, we're STILL working on the 477.  Isn't that an absolute
> disaster?
> >>
> >> We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.
> >>
> >> sigh
> >>
> >> I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files
> >> that will export the data in a file for the fcc.  Let them sort all of
> >> the
> >> crap out.
> >>
> >> My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this!
> >>
> >> g
> >> marlon
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Scott Piehn" 
> >> To: ; "WISPA General List"
> >> 
> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> agreed
> >>>
> >>> When we had specific questions, we called ARIN.  Got someone right away
> >>> that
> >>> new what they were talking about
> >>>
> >>> Easier than Form 477 for us
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Scott Carullo" 
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too -
>  its
>  easy.
> 
>  Scott Carullo
>  Brevard Wireless
>  321-205-1100 x102
> 
>   Original Message 
> 
> > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> > We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class
> c's
> >
>  and
> 
> > will need more pretty soon in one location.
> >
> > Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?
> >
> > marlon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

[sales]

Lol no dont email the fiber please... Yeah send the maps\contact info if you 
would.

Thanks,
John

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 7:57:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

Send the fiber your way or send maps\contact information your way?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:36 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

> Mike,
>
> Please send one my way.
>
> Thanks,
> John Buwa
> Michiana Wireless
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber
>
> If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these 
> markets, let me know.  Locations should be available every 60 miles, 
> possibly as short as every 1 - 2 miles.
>
> Manhattan, NY
> Hudson River Tunnel, NY
> Hoboken, NJ
> Port Reading Junction, NJ
> Harrisburg, PA
> Pittsburgh, PA
> Cleveland, OH
> Toledo, OH
> South Bend, IN
> Indiana Harbor, IN
> Chicago, IL
> Front Royal, VA
> Marshall, VA
> Ashburn, VA
>
> Fiber is being laid for 2Q 2010.
>
> I have maps available and can pass along the appropriate contact 
> information.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

[sales]

Mike, 

Please send one my way.

Thanks,
John Buwa 
Michiana Wireless 


-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:35 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Dark Fiber

If anyone is near these markets looking for dark fiber to another of these 
markets, let me know.  Locations should be available every 60 miles, possibly 
as short as every 1 - 2 miles.

Manhattan, NY
Hudson River Tunnel, NY
Hoboken, NJ
Port Reading Junction, NJ
Harrisburg, PA
Pittsburgh, PA
Cleveland, OH
Toledo, OH
South Bend, IN
Indiana Harbor, IN
Chicago, IL
Front Royal, VA
Marshall, VA
Ashburn, VA

Fiber is being laid for 2Q 2010.

I have maps available and can pass along the appropriate contact information.


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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding

[sales]

Speaking of this, what is an average pps on a normal connection. When is it 
considered abnormal. I would like to create some MT rules to detect and 
abnormal pps rate and alert us to it as well as append a rule to trim them back 
until we can investigate it further.

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- Original Message -
From: "Tom Sharples" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:51:27 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding

If the problem shows up as a ping storm, you could try something like the 
following, but to be really effective it needs to be running near the edge 
of your network (e.g. the client AP):

iptables -N lmticmp
iptables -F lmticmp
iptables -A lmticmp -j ACCEPT -s ! 192.168.0.0/16
iptables -A lmticmp -j ACCEPT -s 192.168.0.0/16 -m limit --limit 30/s
iptables -A lmticmp -j LOG -m limit --limit 5/min --limit-burst 
5 --log-level 0 --log-prefix "PACKETSTORM"
iptables -A lmticmp -j DROP

There's also a good posting on this subject here:

http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-networking/59497-what-limitation-iptabless-limit-option.html

Tom Sharples
Qorvus Systems, Inc.


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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding


> As I say in my Traffic Management and Firewalling Mikrotik Courses,  "If
> you can't identify the traffic, you can't control it, block it, limit
> it, or otherwise do ANYTHING with it! "
>
> Traffic Identification is first! :)
>
> * ---
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> Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
>> You really need to find out exactly WHAT the problematic traffic is
>> before you worry about how to best block it. Hook up a machine with
>> Wireshark to a tap or a mirrored switch port that is seeing the
>> offending traffic. If you can't immediately identify the problem traffic
>> by looking at the packets live from the wire, you can have Wireshark
>> sort the flows by all kinds of different factors.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>>
>> Patrick Nix Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> Right, I'm routing already to my customers. I just can't seem to
>>> identify where the flood of traffic is coming from.  My guess is that
>>> someone is using some sort of p2p and opening gazillions of connections
>>> for either upload or download traffic or someone has a virus that is
>>> flooding the network with a bunch of small packets.  I've tried to setup
>>> some iptables rules in our imagestream to prevent both of these but I am
>>> a newbie with iptables and I either end up killing all internet traffic
>>> to everyone or it has no effect at all.  Does anyone care to share some
>>> suggestions for iptables rules using Powercode with an imagestream
>>> router.
>>>
>>> Thanks a million.
>>>
>>> __
>>>
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>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:33 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding
>>>
>>> Routing man.
>>>
>>> * ---
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>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Te

Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now

[sales]

Why would be nice to know ?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:17 PM
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Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

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Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an 18ghz 
license?

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[WISPA] Netflow

[sales]

Does anyone know of any good open source netflow tools / collectors geared more 
for accounting than analyzing traffic? I would like to use netflow for our 
usage base billing since all our routers are mikrotik it should be easy to do. 
I looked at ntop and its flow capture system is more for seeing what is going 
on than for overall accounting and usage (At least that's what I got from it.)

I see marlon is using one netflow collector that is subscription based so there 
must be an open source equivalent that I can hack to work with our freeside 
billing system for importing usage.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik CPU graphing

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Why not use the dude?

John Buwa
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- Original Message -
From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:25:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik CPU graphing

Hello all,

I'm trying to figure out how to track CPU load and PPS on our Mikrotik 
core router.   Is there a simple guide for tracking this with MRTG/RRD 
somewhere out there?   I"m not having much luck finding it.

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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3

[Sales]

Oh Wow. That was good reading. Especially about the offset. I had no idea my
XR9 Cells was losing 10db of signal out of the default MT setup. I made the
manual adjustments and some of those questionable links shaped right up :)

Thanks!

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
> 
> Also, when working with UBNT cards and Mikrotik, be sure you are
> adjusting for correct power settings.  See
> http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/ubi_mtik_power.pdf for a pretty thorough
> explanation.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > I use the brazil country code. On the main wireless tab under
> frequency mode
> > make sure that you have selected "manual_txpower" instead of
> "regulatory
> > domain" or it will try to limit your power due to local regulatory
> laws
> > without you knowing.
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:45 AM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
> >
> > We are testing a 3.65 GHz setup with MT and XR3 using a 11 dBi Omni
> and 14
> > dBi panel. My results are not really impressive with signal levels.
> However,
> > In order to use 3663 MHz you must set the card for 5770 MHz and 5770
> MHz is
> > not available unless you purchase a special frequency license for
> each ap
> > and cpe from MT. However someone on the list pointed out that
> selecting a
> > different country other than the good old USA would allow you to
> select the
> > 5770 Mhz frequency. This is true and we used the Germany 5ghz ptp
> setting
> > for country and we now have the needed 5770 Mhz frequency available
> for
> > selection. So now I am starting to wonder if this may be the reason
> we are
> > getting less than anticipated results with signal levels. So now
> finally the
> > real question I am asking; is there really a difference between
> purchasing a
> > special frequency license from MT and using the cheat of selecting a
> > different country in order to select 5770 Mhz? Isn't 5770 Mhz still
> 5770 Mhz
> > no matter what?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Buwa
> >
> > Michiana Wireless
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3

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status: running-ap
   band: 5ghz
  frequency: 5770MHz
noise-floor: -98dBm
 overall-tx-ccq: 31%
 registered-clients: 0
  authenticated-clients: 0
nstreme: yes
polling: yes
  csma-disabled: no
  current-tx-powers: 6Mbps:23(16),9Mbps:23(16),12Mbps:23(16),
 18Mbps:23(16),24Mbps:23(16),36Mbps:21(14),
 48Mbps:19(12),54Mbps:18(11)
notify-external-fdb: no

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Changing the country code is the same as buying the Custom Frequency
> license.
> 
> What does your power output table show on the AP and CPE side? What
> kind
> of signals are you getting?
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > We are testing a 3.65 GHz setup with MT and XR3 using a 11 dBi Omni
> and 14
> > dBi panel. My results are not really impressive with signal levels.
> However,
> > In order to use 3663 MHz you must set the card for 5770 MHz and 5770
> MHz is
> > not available unless you purchase a special frequency license for
> each ap
> > and cpe from MT. However someone on the list pointed out that
> selecting a
> > different country other than the good old USA would allow you to
> select the
> > 5770 Mhz frequency. This is true and we used the Germany 5ghz ptp
> setting
> > for country and we now have the needed 5770 Mhz frequency available
> for
> > selection. So now I am starting to wonder if this may be the reason
> we are
> > getting less than anticipated results with signal levels. So now
> finally the
> > real question I am asking; is there really a difference between
> purchasing a
> > special frequency license from MT and using the cheat of selecting a
> > different country in order to select 5770 Mhz? Isn't 5770 Mhz still
> 5770 Mhz
> > no matter what?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John Buwa
> >
> > Michiana Wireless
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3

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Hmm... Under the Brazil country code 5770 is not available?

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
> 
> I use the brazil country code. On the main wireless tab under frequency
> mode
> make sure that you have selected "manual_txpower" instead of
> "regulatory
> domain" or it will try to limit your power due to local regulatory laws
> without you knowing.
> 
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:45 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3
> 
> We are testing a 3.65 GHz setup with MT and XR3 using a 11 dBi Omni and
> 14
> dBi panel. My results are not really impressive with signal levels.
> However,
> In order to use 3663 MHz you must set the card for 5770 MHz and 5770
> MHz is
> not available unless you purchase a special frequency license for each
> ap
> and cpe from MT. However someone on the list pointed out that selecting
> a
> different country other than the good old USA would allow you to select
> the
> 5770 Mhz frequency. This is true and we used the Germany 5ghz ptp
> setting
> for country and we now have the needed 5770 Mhz frequency available for
> selection. So now I am starting to wonder if this may be the reason we
> are
> getting less than anticipated results with signal levels. So now
> finally the
> real question I am asking; is there really a difference between
> purchasing a
> special frequency license from MT and using the cheat of selecting a
> different country in order to select 5770 Mhz? Isn't 5770 Mhz still
> 5770 Mhz
> no matter what?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John Buwa
> 
> Michiana Wireless
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] FCC licensing

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Is there allot of this going on?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless

- Original Message -
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:23:45 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC licensing

Did you confirm whether the user actually licensed their gear that they 
installed?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC licensing


  I have always received notifications via USPS in the past (even just a week 
ago for another company doing some 18ghz stuff in my area).

  Travis
  Microserv

  David E. Smith wrote: 
Travis Johnson wrote:

  What is the "required" notification distance on 18ghz licensing? I have 
a tower with 18ghz links, and just found a new tower that went up about 
20 miles away with 18ghz and yet I never received notification. Is there 
a certain distance that they don't notify?

Did you do all the licensing yourself? Most smaller operators tend to 
just let someone else handle the paperwork; if you go that route, 
chances are that firm, not you, got any licensing notifications.

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[WISPA] MikroTik and UBQ XR3

[sales]

We are testing a 3.65 GHz setup with MT and XR3 using a 11 dBi Omni and 14
dBi panel. My results are not really impressive with signal levels. However,
In order to use 3663 MHz you must set the card for 5770 MHz and 5770 MHz is
not available unless you purchase a special frequency license for each ap
and cpe from MT. However someone on the list pointed out that selecting a
different country other than the good old USA would allow you to select the
5770 Mhz frequency. This is true and we used the Germany 5ghz ptp setting
for country and we now have the needed 5770 Mhz frequency available for
selection. So now I am starting to wonder if this may be the reason we are
getting less than anticipated results with signal levels. So now finally the
real question I am asking; is there really a difference between purchasing a
special frequency license from MT and using the cheat of selecting a
different country in order to select 5770 Mhz? Isn't 5770 Mhz still 5770 Mhz
no matter what?

 

Thanks,

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[WISPA] importing addresses into google maps.

[sales]

I have MySQL database the has our nogo's, pending surveys and pending installs 
listed in there. I would like to be able to show them in google maps. Is there 
an api that will import the addresses from a MySQl database and display those 
address on a webpage with google maps?

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Re: [WISPA] Taxes

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Well I was told by the Indiana state tax department that all communications
including internet access should be charged sales tax. Although I don't know
anyone here doing that.

John Buwa
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Taxes
> 
> Any Internet except for a few grandfathered states is tax except by
> Federal law.
> Phone services are taxed to the end of the world, USF, State, Federal
> etc. this includes VOIP.
> 
> Disclaimer, I am not a tax attorney nor do I play one on the boob tube
> or even youtube.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] XR3

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Found out from MT you have to buy a custom frequency license for each to use
it.

John Buwa
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XR3
> 
> What did the sticker say with the card?  Mine said to bump it 2.0GHz, so
> 5.540 = 3.540.  That worked for me.  Following the instructions in the
> forum did not.
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Anyone using the XR3/ 20mhz spacing on the list? The conversion table
> says
> > Channel B real 5770Mhz equals 3663 Mhz but 5770 is not selectable unless
> the
> > card is in 5 or 10 mhz channels? What gives?
> >
> > John Buwa
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> >
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
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[WISPA] XR3

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Anyone using the XR3/ 20mhz spacing on the list? The conversion table says
Channel B real 5770Mhz equals 3663 Mhz but 5770 is not selectable unless the
card is in 5 or 10 mhz channels? What gives?

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> 
> I have 1.2.24 on my AN100
> 
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[WISPA] Throughput MT

[sales]

We have a 5ghz backhaul PTP link with MT 532 on one end and 411 on the 
other. We have a -57 signal ccq in 100% and a potential throughput listed as 
30 Mbps on a solid 54M link. However I can never push more than 20 megs 
through it.? Anyone else have a simular setup doing better? Were using 
Nstream best fit.

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Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

[Sales]

We use Freeside for billing so importing the data won't be an issue. We need
to not only accurately track the usage but allow customer access to a portal
page that lets them monitor their usage as well. What would be even nicer
than just telling them you have used X Gigs this month but a summary of
their usage as well. Like summary of sites visited, where they have used
most of their bandwidth etc...

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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> That's exactly what I'm looking at doing.
> 
> A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this.
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:15 AM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> > Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be
> our
> > entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give
> everyone the
> > same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing.
> > Plans
> > will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer
> amount per
> > level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer
> and a
> > decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not
> count on
> > the bandwidth metering nor the phone services.
> >
> > The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual
> internet
> > usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager
> would
> > work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some
> searching
> > and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ?
> >
> > Michiana Wireless, Inc.
> > John Buwa, President
> >
> > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
> > 574-233-7170
> >
> > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"
> >
> > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> il.net> wrote:
> >> > They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version
> >> and an HD
> >> > DVR version.
> >>
> >> Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
> >> channel (I
> >> > asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100
> >> megabits.  It
> >> > is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the
> same
> >> > upstream...  stream.
> >>
> >> Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more
> prodding
> >> about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that
> does
> >> wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels
> >> maybe?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
> >> project and
> >> > massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.
> >>
> >> Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they
> would
> >> do.
> >>
> >> >  The deal with the ROW is
> >> > that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be
> considered
> >> a
> >> > franchise.
> >>
> >> That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My
> >> understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a
> >> franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the
> >> last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen
> >> places I could use this if I can make a business case for it.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Mike Hammett
> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> >> >
> >> >> I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup
> a
> >> >> mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
> >> receivers
> >> >> involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume
> >> this
> >> >> would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per
> channel?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

[Sales]

Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our
entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the
same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans
will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per
level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a
decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on
the bandwidth metering nor the phone services.

The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet
usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would
work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching
and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? 

Michiana Wireless, Inc.
John Buwa, President
 
http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
574-233-7170
 
"Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"

*US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> il.net> wrote:
> > They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version
> and an HD
> > DVR version.
> 
> Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series.
> 
> >
> > AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
> channel (I
> > asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100
> megabits.  It
> > is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same
> > upstream...  stream.
> 
> Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding
> about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does
> wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels
> maybe?
> 
> >
> > The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
> project and
> > massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.
> 
> Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would
> do.
> 
> >  The deal with the ROW is
> > that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered
> a
> > franchise.
> 
> That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My
> understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a
> franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the
> last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen
> places I could use this if I can make a business case for it.
> 
> >
> > http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> >
> >> I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a
> >> mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
> receivers
> >> involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume
> this
> >> would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel?
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> il.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send
> the
> >>> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the
> DirecTV
> >>> receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to
> cross a
> >>> public right of way with the DirecTV content.
> >>>
> >>> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass
> you on
> >>> to
> >>> the reps at the companies I've been working with.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> >>>
>  Ok folks,
> 
>  Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
>  started
>  because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they
> are
>  debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this
> one
>  is
>  to
>  build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed
> to
>  the
>  tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run
> fiber
>  to
>  the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a
> great
>  time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we
> will
>  be
>  offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service
> over
> 

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

[Sales]

Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs?

Michiana Wireless, Inc.
John Buwa, President
 
http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
574-233-7170
 
"Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"

*US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version and
> an HD
> DVR version.
> 
> AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
> channel (I
> asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits.
> It
> is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same
> upstream...  stream.
> 
> The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
> project and
> massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.  The deal with the ROW
> is
> that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a
> franchise.
> 
> http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> > I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a
> > mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
> receivers
> > involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this
> > would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> il.net>
> > wrote:
> >> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send
> the
> >> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV
> >> receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to
> cross a
> >> public right of way with the DirecTV content.
> >>
> >> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass
> you on
> >> to
> >> the reps at the companies I've been working with.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> >>
> >>> Ok folks,
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
> >>> started
> >>> because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they
> are
> >>> debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this
> one
> >>> is
> >>> to
> >>> build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed
> to
> >>> the
> >>> tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run
> fiber
> >>> to
> >>> the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a
> great
> >>> time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we
> will
> >>> be
> >>> offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service
> over
> >>> the
> >>> FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do
> fiber
> >>> here
> >>> is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that,
> so
> >>> chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of
> trees. So
> >>> again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or
> satellite
> >>> service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go
> with us
> >>> if
> >>> we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of
> a way
> >>> to
> >>> distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the
> dish
> >>> on
> >>> the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to
> the
> >>> homes over the fiber?
> >>>
> >>> Michiana Wireless, Inc.
> >>> John Buwa, President
> >>>
> >>> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
> >>> 574-233-7170
> >>>
> >>> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"
> >>>
> >>> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
> 
>  We can buy the ONT for $375.
>  The COE per sub works out to about another $200.
>  So $500 plus the strand of fiber.  Drop fiber can be had for 25
> cents
>  per
>  foot.
>  Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot.   Including cleanup.
>   In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub.
>  And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. 

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

[Sales]

We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the
homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV
services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will
them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one
provider, us.


Thanks,
John


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send the
> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV
> receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a
> public right of way with the DirecTV content.
> 
> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass you on
> to
> the reps at the companies I've been working with.
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> --
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
> 
> > Ok folks,
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
> started
> > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are
> > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one
> is
> > to
> > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to
> the
> > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber
> to
> > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great
> > time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will
> be
> > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over
> the
> > FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber
> > here
> > is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so
> > chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So
> > again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite
> > service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us
> if
> > we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way
> > to
> > distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish
> > on
> > the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the
> > homes over the fiber?
> >
> > Michiana Wireless, Inc.
> > John Buwa, President
> >
> > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
> > 574-233-7170
> >
> > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"
> >
> > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
> >>
> >> We can buy the ONT for $375.
> >> The COE per sub works out to about another $200.
> >> So $500 plus the strand of fiber.  Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents
> >> per
> >> foot.
> >> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot.   Including cleanup.
> >>  In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub.
> >> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum.  We are
> >> in
> >> the black the second year.
> >> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping
> >> much.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the
> >> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or
> >> County.
> >> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with
> >> the
> >> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something
> >> somewhere
> >> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time
> >> it's
> >> >> all said and done (possibly more).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper
> >> is
> >> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom
> >> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of
> >> subscribers
> >> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront.
> >> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way
> >> ahead
> >> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Yep.  And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of
> >> > rights o

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

[Sales]

Ok folks,

Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started
because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are
debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to
build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the
tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to
the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it’s a great
time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be
offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the
FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here
is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so
chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So
again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite
service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if
we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to
distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on
the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the
homes over the fiber?

Michiana Wireless, Inc.
John Buwa, President
 
http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
574-233-7170
 
"Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"

*US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
> 
> We can buy the ONT for $375.
> The COE per sub works out to about another $200.
> So $500 plus the strand of fiber.  Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents
> per
> foot.
> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot.   Including cleanup.
>  In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub.
> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum.  We are
> in
> the black the second year.
> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping
> much.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
> 
> 
> > Jerry Richardson wrote:
> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the
> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or
> County.
> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with
> the
> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc.
> >>
> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something
> somewhere
> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup.
> >>
> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time
> it's
> >> all said and done (possibly more).
> >>
> >
> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper
> is
> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom
> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of
> subscribers
> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront.
> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way
> ahead
> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k).
> >>
> >
> > Yep.  And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of
> > rights of way etc.
> >
> > --
> > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059
> > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com
> > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project
> >
> >
> >
> > -
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[WISPA] Running Fiber

[Sales]

Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the
subject!

-=-=-=-=

Hello,

If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the
obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What
are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing
which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive
conduit underneath concrete drives and such?

Michiana Wireless, Inc.
John Buwa, President
 
http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
574-233-7170
 
"Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!"

*US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas?
> 
> Antennas a cheap these days.  When in doubt, toss it out.
> 
> I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now.  Started
> doing
> that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work
> load
> lighter!
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas?
> 
> 
> > So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is
> it
> > ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine?
> >
> >
> > Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be
> under
> > powered.  The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable
> or
> > omni, I don't know.  I replaced it all.  The reason I ask about the
> omni
> > is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some
> > water issues.  A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and
> mastic
> > on the bottom by the connector.  I wrapped it up too high and thick
> and
> > covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni.  So maybe I got
> > condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out
> >
> > So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok?  What about a
> > dipole on a grid?
> >
> > Brian
> >
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Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas?

[Sales]

Hello,

If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the
obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What
are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing
which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive
conduit underneath concrete drives and such?

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Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

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Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on
3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read
on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you register your
base stations? What about searching the site for deployed base stations in
your area?

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
> 
> That's a lot easier *SAID* than done...
> 
> Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures
> those depending on the type of traffic)
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> 
> Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar
> GPS
> settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues
> of
> interference.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Booher
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
> 
> John,
> 
> >From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same
> >GPS
> sync, so all WiMax gear with the appropriate timing settings equal can
> be
> timed together.  Apparently the FCC is requiring it for the equipment
> to be
> certified.
> 
> Daniel White
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
> 
> I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into
> their
> networks over the next 1-3 years.
> Why??? Roaming!!! It will be the real deal and the WISP market, if they
> do
> the right things, will be able to setup roaming agreements to exist
> with
> each other all over the USA.
> CPE will be available in all sorts of devices between 2.3 and 3.8 GHz
> and
> yes 3.65 falls in that window. Device frequency scanning will be
> dictated by
> 
> availabilty. So if the WISP Market, small and large, build compatable
> 3.65
> networks with viable roaming agreements with the right service flows
> everyone could be happy. Keep in mind the right things need to fall in
> place
> 
> for this to happen.
> 
> Hurdles...
> -CPE that really are interoperable and in many types of devices.
> -Base Station RF in a cellular sence. That equals build outs with
> competitive priced Base stations in mobile mind set.
> -Base stations from different manufactureers that can GPS sync with
> each
> other so UL/DL ratios can co exist in a given area. To my knowledge
> this
> does not exist yet but would be critical to help with interference in
> the
> 3.65 GHz band. The WiMAX forum needs to make sure this does exist
> between
> base stations along with the interoperability standards they are
> developing.
> 
> The GPS peice may exist but I have yet to see in in the standerds.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Need a Karlnet base station license

[Sales]

Been so long what is the Sg4200 license? We are decommissioning a large
amount of Karlnet and will be selling them off. We have down some kn205 base
stations with the license for base station mode.

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> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:33 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Need a Karlnet base station license
> 
> We had a bad storm that killed my last spare Karlnet base station this
> week and I have about 35 client systems I don't want to change out yet.
> My distributor said Proxim quit selling the license keys this year. The
> last board I have is loaded with SG4200 software and I wouldn't mind
> keeping it as I have a site running a PtP still using a pair of these.
> Does anyone have either a KN105 /205 board with SG4400 software? At the
> very least a SG4400 key.
> 
> Please send responses off list.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostations

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These post bring back memories from the Karlnet days of Karlnet vs. non
Karlnet systems :)

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Matt Ferre
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:38 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
> 
> It's not about the upload speed, it's about the packets per second.
> Get just one customer with computer infected with some decent virus
> and it will generate 5000 packets per seconds, which may account to
> only 256kbps in raw traffic terms. But with regular Access Point this
> will bring your AP to the knees or even worse and there is NOTHING you
> can do about it. You could try to limit packet per second that
> customer but it will only happen after the traffic hits Access Point
> and will not stop the viri operation. Or get some customer with few
> uncapped p2p apps and you will see pretty much the same.
> 
> Sorry, polling is the only way to go. Every mature network type uses
> some type of polling scheme (from cellular 'time slots' through WiMAX
> to all MMDS systems) and it's there for a reason. And it's one really
> good reason - performance.
> 
> Matt
> 
> > I see where you are getting at, but it isn't really relevant, at
> least
> > the way I have my network setup.   None of my customers have an
> upload
> > that gets to even 40% (I don't do symmetrical upload, so the highest
> > upload we offer is 2meg) and the access points handle it pretty
> easily
> > at that rate.
> >
> > If you are offering a symmetrical service, then I will concede that
> > polling is an important consideration.   It is pretty easy to work
> > around it if you are not offering symmetrical service, however.
> >
> > Matt Larsen
> > vistabeam.com
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)

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I would go

John Buwa
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- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Jeff Ehman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)


> As some of you may (or may not) know, we used to organize large trade 
> shows several years ago...at its height, WiNOG had over 500+ attendees 
> with 50+ exhibiting sponsors (I still have pictures of Rick Harnish and 
> Mac Dearman @ the inaugural WISPA meeting in Chicago almost 3+ years ago 
> =)
> In 2006, I decided to put an end to the large shows and change the format 
> into a 1-day traveling road-show due to the fact for the there hasn't 
> really been anything all that exciting out there in the market that would 
> drive traffic to get me to put forth the effort to organize a large 
> show...That said, I believe that with recent market developments, 
> including the release of the 3.65 GHz band, the commercialization of WiMAX 
> equipment in the US and the maturation of the market, I have enough stuff 
> to work with to build an interesting content program.
> That said, before I go out and spend a lot of time and effort throwing 
> something together, I'd like to get a feel for what people feel:
> Here are my thoughts
>
> 1.   WiMAX World 2008 is scheduled for Sept 30-Oct 2, 2008 
> (Tuesday-Thursday) in Chicago...with 100+ exhibitors, it makes for a 
> pretty large gathering of the wireless operator industry
>
> 2.   While WiMAX World has a lot of people coming together, it's 
> focusing more on large mobile broadband operators (ClearWire / Sprint) and 
> the 802.16e WiMAX standard instead of small-to-medium operators who would 
> utilize 802.16d (fixed) WiMAX
>
> 3.   A three-day conference pass for WiMAX World costs almost 
> $2,000...additionally, in looking at the programming, it seems more suited 
> for Wall-Street / Gartner-type Analysts than for operators deploying 
> systems in the field
>
> 4.   WiMAX World (Yankee Group) is aware that they're content program 
> doesn't really cater to the small-to-medium fixed-wireless operators, so 
> they've come to me with a proposal to put together a more focused / 
> targeted program on the side (that's also cheaper)
> Here's my idea
>
> 1.   Do WiNOG as a smaller sub-get-together (100 or so people) focused 
> on the specific issues of fixed-operators on September 29-30 
> (Monday-Tuesday) right before WiMAX World
>
> 2.   Make WiNOG affordable to the network operators (have 2 tiers of 
> admissions - 1 tier for service providers at say $95 to pay for food and 
> another tier for vendors / consultants / random people at $500+)
>
> 3.   Give attendees of WiNOG (through some cross-promotional 
> agreement) the ability to go to the WiMAX World Exhibit hall for free on 
> Oct 1-2 (Wednesday / Thursday), so they would get the focused content and 
> operator peer-to-peer discussion along with the chance to experience a 
> massive exhibit hall
> Thoughts? Comments?
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[WISPA] How much data

[Sales]

Ok silly question that has probably been asked a million times. But if a
user had a 1M connection how much data in Megs could he transfer if it ran
at maximum capacity for 24 hours?

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Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell

[Ed Spoon - Computer Sales & Services, Inc.]

's OK - saved me from having to ask ;-)



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity
cell

Uggh. Sorry folks. I thought it was an offlist request like all the
others I have received. 

Patrick

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:48 PM
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Here you go Marlon...hope all is well

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cell

I'll take one please.
marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell


> Hi folks,
>
> Mike Bushard of Wisper High Speed Internet was kind enough to send me
an
> excellent picture of one of their BreezeMAX 802.16e WiMAX cells. It is
> maybe the clearest example of what 4th order diversity, 3-sector cell
> actually looks like hanging on a tower. If you'd like a copy, send me
a
> note and I'll reply with the 676k PNG file.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Plesk

[Sales]

What about email management for end users? Any programs out there where you
can set limits, like how many accounts they can have and let the customer
create/delete there own email accounts off our domain? Right now we manually
setup customer email account in our sendmail configuration. Would like to
eliminate our need to make those changes/additions and or deletions.

Thanks,
John


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> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Plesk
> 
> Travis,
> You can still buy Plesk, it's $1399.00 for unlimited   :-)
> 
> http://www.parallels.com/en/buyonline/plesk/linux/
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> Frank
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> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:07 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] OT: Plesk
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > We have been running a few plesk hosting servers for the last 3-4 years.
> > About three weeks ago they changed their pricing model from a one-time,
> > up front purchase of their software to a monthly lease. We need to add
> > another server, but are not interested in a lifetime monthly lease
> option.
> >
> > What is everyone else running for domain hosting boxes that allow the
> > customers full-control of only their domain?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
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