[WISPA] Colo tower contract
Anyone want to share their colocation or tower contracts? I'll take what's submitted, combine what's good, have it reviewed by my attorney and post the final here - thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Content Filter
Recommendations on content filtering software? I'm aware of OpenDNS, thanks.. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PPPoE Concentrator Redundancy
Cross posting from another list for different opinions.. We're looking to have more than one PPPoE Concentrator available so that if one goes down due to catastrophic failure, the customers associated to that concentrator will rollover to the next one. However, the concern is that because the initial connection is layer 2 that both concentrators may see the same connection attempt and authenticate both. Is there a real effective way of having two concentrators that either load balance or provide redundancy? Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE Concentrator Redundancy
Thx both of you for the replies. We're using ImageStream routers. I've considered the two running in parallel and whoever responds first thing- but it seems like a router reboot or equipment failure or whatever would totally throw off the load balancing aspect of things from which its never really recover unless both routers were rebooted at the same time. Not a huge deal since I'm really after redundancy here, not load balancing. Just wondering how the big boys who use pppoe have their redundancy built out- I'm guessing something like the delay method. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Nov 3, 2010, at 0:00, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I assume you're using MikroTik. You can run multiple PPPoE servers on a single Ethernet segment. The client will send its PPPoE Active Discovery Initiation (PADI) packet, and both servers will reply with their PPPoE Active Discovery Offer (PADO). The client will then select which AC it wants to use based off of which AC replied first, AC name, service name, or any combination thereof. http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/PPPoE#Stages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol_over_Ethernet#Server_to_client:_Offer_.28PADO.29 Posting on Cisco mailing list regarding PPPoE AC redundancy. http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-bba/2005-April/000477.html Juniper's PPPoE AC implementation has a 'delay' feature in its 'Service Name Tables' which allow an administrator to explicitly set an AC as backup. http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.1/information-products/topic-collections/config-guide-network-interfaces/topic-40403.html#jd0e116783 Because MikroTik doesn't support this 'delay' you'd really end up just load balancing your clients across the two AC's. Not a bad solution and it still provides some level of redundancy. -- Blake Covarrubias On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Cross posting from another list for different opinions.. We're looking to have more than one PPPoE Concentrator available so that if one goes down due to catastrophic failure, the customers associated to that concentrator will rollover to the next one. However, the concern is that because the initial connection is layer 2 that both concentrators may see the same connection attempt and authenticate both. Is there a real effective way of having two concentrators that either load balance or provide redundancy? Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer
Seriously- according to some folks here, there isn't ANYTHING in LIFE you can encounter where the answer isn't either MikroTik or Ubiquity. (: `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer MT washes my clothes and folds my pants. It can do EVERYTHING! Bob- - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netequilizer Why can't MT do that? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Cisco router handles all of my routing so I was looking for something to go between. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Pretty expensive version of Linux iptables. MT is a pretty solid low cost solution with lotsa support. A Pentium 4 with 2GB RAM will handle a butt load of traffic. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netequilizer Anybody using this product? We have a pretty good set of qos in our wimax platform but was considering a netequilizer to help with a few HD video streamers we have. Sent from my iPhone --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
Can you name a similiar manufacture that allows you to open their product, add 3rd party hardware yourself - and then still honor the original warranty? Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me that IS wants to provide a stable product and wants to keep the HW legit and the installation thereof professional and controlled. Earlier in this thread someone referenced ordering an intel NIC from Newegg- we once purchased 35 Gigabit Intel NICs from Newegg and one failed within 60 days. We RMAed it directly to Intel who KEPT the NIC, wrote me a letter back saying the NIC is not a legit Intel NIC but a China immitation - furthermore Newegg is NOT an authorized Intel reseller and buys their junk from non-authorized China distributors. Before whole thing was done Newegg refunded me over $1k for the batch of cards that we kept. So you install your own Intel NIC that works with IS so you can save what- $100? NIC acts funny and you blame IS or bog down their support. I think of all the pinches IS support has bailed me out of.. I'll keep backing IS.. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:24 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card Imagestream installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) Hi All, I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ support. Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup... that's the one. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Thanks guys! - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. Travis Microserv Tom Sharples wrote: Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com, intel, whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary card? Thanks, Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal. A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new. (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older model that doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet expansion boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I don't know what this model costs new with the added ports. Way more than we really need. I'm looking forward to trying it out tho. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues. Need to push a little bit and use the phone. To this day I've not had a response to my emails without a phone call. On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: I really think you'll love ImageStream... I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we inherited. Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was pretty happy. I am not much of a fan of
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
Gotta disagree Brad- show me the price point differences between any Cisco and IS that are comporable - don't forget TCO for OS upgrades etc. Are you suggesting Cisco provides a cheaper HW upgrade solution? This is like pulling your car into the oil change station, handing the guy 5 qt of your own oil that you purchased for a few bucks cheaper and a new air filter.. Doesn't work that way- everyone needs a business model that's profitable. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if you buy an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) and install it in your Cisco router. I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user installing something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the card the end user installs is exactly the samewhat's the problem? Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured before it was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can simply say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just flat out void the warranty on the entire product. Anyway...just an opinion. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) How so Brad? We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to buy the pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that you do). How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear that went in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know if it is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are enough variables in the process already. ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support (including 24/7 emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. We offer free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance Guarantee with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the box come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco prices for RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card Imagestream installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) Hi All, I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ support. Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup... that's the one. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: Thanks guys! - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. Travis Microserv Tom Sharples wrote: Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard (e.g. 3com, intel, whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a proprietary card? Thanks, Tom S. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?)
K- be sure to call newegg at 3am when your core router is acting up and have them walk you thru a solution. Sorry- I just don't like seeing IS bashed when I think their pricing is fair- you're buying HW, support, and profit. Aren't you guys in business yourself? Would you let your customers modify your Internet service equipment so they could save a few bucks by not buying from you since you charge more? Is your router really the device on your network where your decisions are made on price only? Ok- said my bit! Don't want to sound all crabby or anything. (: Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The joys of x86 hardware...lower cost with a chance of additional discussion. I've not looked at a price for the card individually as I have not needed it, but maybe we can get an MSRP for it? If it's another $25 or something who cares, but I have been told verbally it is much much higher. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to co ntinue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: I would guess that Cisco will honor if you add a Cisco built card, but not third party and only if you don't open the case. Brad Belton wrote: I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if you buy an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) and install it in your Cisco router. I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user installing something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the card the end user installs is exactly the samewhat's the problem? Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured before it was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can simply say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just flat out void the warranty on the entire product. Anyway...just an opinion. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) How so Brad? We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to buy the pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that you do). How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear that went in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know if it is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are enough variables in the process already. ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support (including 24/7 emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. We offer free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance Guarantee with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the box come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco prices for RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card Imagestream installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) Hi All, I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ support. Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yup... that's the one. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Last Mile Gear- they sell/make Cyclones, and standard gear plus are a wisp = good support. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote: We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering This is for Canopy radios: http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. Weatherproof enclosure. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com RickG wrote: Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most. You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom, boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics). Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side benefit along with ease of access. At any rate, you're maintenance adapter is right on target but I'm not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device out there that incorporates these features and is factory made. -RickG On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Rick- Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..). Our pricing model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer. Lighting isn't really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting. That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the problem) or their power supply for the radio etc. When we need to, and the customer isn't home - we have simple maintenance adapter that we made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out. The adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop. Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector. Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to depend on the customer to be there? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies Canopy APs with power. Would something like this be appropriate, or even on the right track? http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9http://bit.ly/a3WKJ9 Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
Installing APs on a FM tower. Fiber from base of tower fib/copper switch at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper switch NEMA enclosure to APs. APs are getting eth port errors when in 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue. 24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains. Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues. I believe the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable. I did not run a shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable. So I'm looking for something to just drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs. Thanks for reading! `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the trick for DC power. For ethernet, the WISP approved method seems to be adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering This is for Canopy radios: http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. Weatherproof enclosure. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com RickG wrote: Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most. You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom, boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics). Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side benefit along with ease of access. At any rate, you're maintenance adapter is right on target but I'm not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device out there that incorporates these features and is factory made. -RickG On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Rick- Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..). Our pricing model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer. Lighting isn't really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002 never had a single tower, customer, anything negatively affected by lighting. That being said - we don't like to do a maintenance call when the customer isn't home b/c then you can't get to their equipment (which may be the problem) or their power supply for the radio etc. When we need to, and the customer isn't home - we have simple maintenance adapter that we made - it has two RJ45 jacks and a short CAT5 cable coming out. The adapter is placed in-line between the radio and PoE CAT5 (to customer's power supply in home) - the short CAT5 goes plugs into the radio and the remaining RJ45 port has access to the network only (PoE pins removed) for use in your laptop. Down side is it requires rebooting CPE to install (unplugging cable) and also you need to get access to CPE which can be difficult sometimes. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering This is inline with my previous question about a lightning protector. Would it be a good idea to incorporate a unit that does filtering/LP in a small enclosure on the outside of the home/business with an ethernet port for easy access to the network rather than having to depend on the customer to be there? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Looking to filter conducted FM EMI off a 24VDC power line that supplies Canopy APs with power. Would something like this be appropriate, or even on the right track
Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering
Patrick- Got everything except the EMI gasket - didn't know that existed but sounds cool. I've looked into http://www.zero-ground.com/ for the liquid tight but went with cheap-o hardware store instead. Not a PoE switch, hacked as you say - but in a professional way. (: Canopy Cyclone APs encased in metal housings, grounded and all the good stuff.. Thanks for your help - I just didn't know if that filter would be any benefit at all or not, I'll give it a shot and see how we do, thanks again. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering Yes, I'd start by putting that filter you found on the incoming power to the switch enclosure. Also, -Make sure the door is bonded to the enclosure cabinet with a ground strap at minimum, preferably metal EMI gasket around door seal also -Keep the size of any enclosure penetrations to a minimum, though at FM frequencies you should be okay here -Make sure the liquid tight is bonded to the enclosure and APs -Make sure AP cases are bonded to enclosure through equipment grounds -You're using shielded RJ45's at both ends of the STP between switch and APs, right? Is this a PoE switch or is there some hacking of the ethernet cables going on to inject power for the APs? What kind of APs? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Installing APs on a FM tower. Fiber from base of tower fib/copper switch at AP location. STP encased in flexible metal liquid tight from fib/copper switch NEMA enclosure to APs. APs are getting eth port errors when in 100FDX, locking in 10FDX solves the issue. 24VDC is injected in to each AP in the NEMA enclosure - I have ferrite beads on both ends of the STP (near switch and base of AP) but problem remains. Additional ferrite beads on the DC power line, still have issues. I believe the majority of EMI is entering through the power cable. I did not run a shielded power cable or power through coax or anything intelligent like that - just a standard 2-16ga outdoor cable. So I'm looking for something to just drain off any conducted FM EMI off that 24VDC power line before it gets injected directly on the CAT5 that feeds those APs. Thanks for reading! `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering Off the ethernet line or power? The EMI filter you posted should do the trick for DC power. For ethernet, the WISP approved method seems to be adding ferrite beads to the cat-5 cable at the end. I've never done this myself. Tell us a little more about the problem you're trying to solve... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Any suggestions for filtering off FM noise? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EMI Filtering This is for Canopy radios: http://www.wbmfg.com/products/accessories/surge-suppressor Test port, voltage/current indicator LEDs, lightning protection. Weatherproof enclosure. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com RickG wrote: Lightning season is when I miss my home state of California the most. You really dont know what your missing! I feel like the British must have felt in WWII during the German bombing runs. Every year, boom, boom, boom. (sorry for the dramatics). Neither did I include an LP/EMI device in my business model but I also didnt count on so many truck rolls. It just becomes a matter of which is more cost effective and beneficial to customer satisfaction. I too prefer that the customer be there but obviously this is only a side benefit along with ease of access. At any rate, you're maintenance adapter is right on target but I'm not big into home made stuff. So, I'm hoping someone knows of a device out there that incorporates these features and is factory made. -RickG On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Rick- Obviously this application is for a tower (hence APs..). Our pricing model doesn't permit us the extra $20-30 per customer plus installation time etc. to install a LA/EMI Filter for every customer. Lighting isn't really a problem where we are (California) - Since we started in 2002
Re: [WISPA] Scheduling - again!
Yeah, that's a cool website - thanks for the link. Route optimization is only about 30% of the battle though, it's also remembering all the non-critical appointments and automating as much as possible.. Take care, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Scheduling - again! I assume you don't want to use http://goldenstatenetwork.com/circuitfiles/ http://goldenstatenetwork.com/circuitfiles/ryan On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: I've brought up the vehicle route optimization scheduling question a few times and based upon the responses, it doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone else but us! (: Anyhow, we're getting a custom program built through rentacoder.com - I've created a crummy screencast with a non-functional mock-up to better convey to the coders what I want the final product to resemble. I wanted to open this up to the list to see if anyone else is interested in this project, suggestion of improvements etc. or if something simple could be changed to make the program usable by other companies as well. The program links names/address for the auto complete from our Plat SQL database table. Part 1/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozKnR0lPz1w Part 2/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f32rc1x0vfk Also attached is a .ZIP of the HTML mock-ups. Here's a link to the rentacoder listing: http://bit.ly/c2ALED So far we have bids ranging from $650-2600. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Scheduling - again!
At any given point in time our schedule has at least 60+ pending stops scattered over a 2,000+ square mile territory, some that need to be done ASAP, other that are somewhat urgent, and still others just when we're in the area. Certain stops require certain vehicles and others don't. I think the Google thing works OK if you have someone micro managing the pins, but it totally breaks down (for us anyhow) in the real world. Imagine FedEx planning all their fleet's stops for the day using pushpins on Google Maps! (: There's a threshold of planned and future stop capacity where something a bit more automated and algorithm-based managing is needed. Thanks for your input and example - that's totally what I'm looking for on a daily basis. Take care, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Scheduling - again! Why not just use Google ? It is free - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=317+S.+North+ST,++Washington+Court+House,+OH,+43160daddr=1104+N+North+St,+Washington+Court+House,+OH,+43160+to:769+Leslie+Trace,+Washington+Court+House,+OH,+43160+to:13891+Compton+Rd,+Jeffersonville,+OH,+43128+to:OH-323+E+to:39.730426,-83.371124+to:12000+Commercial+Point+Rd,+Ashville+OH+to:OH-3+S%2FUS-62+W+to:317+S.+North+ST,++Washington+Court+House,+OH,+43160hl=engeocode=FQJDWwIdQOAG-yltXV6hu0hHiDEHfIdNoSLSQA%3BFZVrWwIdf7QG-ykhDNy_y0hHiDGoNcG1qovszQ%3BFVDNWwIdBUsG-ympFoeh3U5HiDEFKyO0cHUzCw%3BFdTHXQIduoEE-ykps8-_NFNHiDELpaZXGB1QwQ%3BFTJUXgId4KcE-w%3B%3BFeWDXgId_ZUM-ylZp3EEPX1HiDEVluw_FWLpMA%3BFQGFXQIdwfMI-w%3BFQJDWwIdQOAG-yltXV6hu0hHiDEHfIdNoSLSQAmra=dpemrcr=3mrsp=5sz=11via=4,5,7sll=39.757352,-83.39035sspn=0.40276,0.766983ie=UTF8ll=39.665971,-83.29216spn=0.403293,0.766983t=hz=11layer=t there is an example of a simple route _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. On Feb 26, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Yeah, that's a cool website - thanks for the link. Route optimization is only about 30% of the battle though, it's also remembering all the non-critical appointments and automating as much as possible.. Take care, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Scheduling - again! I assume you don't want to use http://goldenstatenetwork.com/circuitfiles/ http://goldenstatenetwork.com/circuitfiles/ryan On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: I've brought up the vehicle route optimization scheduling question a few times and based upon the responses, it doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone else but us! (: Anyhow, we're getting a custom program built through rentacoder.com - I've created a crummy screencast with a non-functional mock-up to better convey to the coders what I want the final product to resemble. I wanted to open this up to the list to see if anyone else is interested in this project, suggestion of improvements etc. or if something simple could be changed to make the program usable by other companies as well. The program links names/address for the auto complete from our Plat SQL database table. Part 1/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozKnR0lPz1w Part 2/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f32rc1x0vfk Also attached is a .ZIP of the HTML mock-ups. Here's a link to the rentacoder listing: http://bit.ly/c2ALED So far we have bids ranging from $650-2600. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
[WISPA] Route optimization and scheduling software
Looking for software to efficiently schedule/route surveys, maintenance, installations, special projects etc. based upon proximity and urgency. Most of what I've seen is geared for larger firms - thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BGP Load Balancing Help
On a single ImageStream router we have two circuits: DS3 @ 45mb/s Fiber @ 100mb/s The DS3 is routed more efficiently (less hops) and the fiber less efficient (more hops). Since the BGP is routing traffic based upon number of hops to final destination only, the DS3 gets 95+% of all our internal traffic. What can I do to shift some (or even possibly all) of the traffic to the Fiber to balance things out? Thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Load Balancing Help
Matt- Forgive my ignorance, I think this is where you're adding simulated hops or something similar, correct? Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Load Balancing Help The simplest way is to prepend the DS3 circuit. Scott Vander Dussen wrote: On a single ImageStream router we have two circuits: DS3 @ 45mb/s Fiber @ 100mb/s The DS3 is routed more efficiently (less hops) and the fiber less efficient (more hops). Since the BGP is routing traffic based upon number of hops to final destination only, the DS3 gets 95+% of all our internal traffic. What can I do to shift some (or even possibly all) of the traffic to the Fiber to balance things out? Thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Load Balancing Help
Ok, thanks Travis, Faisal, and Matt for your input. We're looking to get this resolved quickly - so this is a formal petition for any BGP Gurus that have experience with the ImageStream OS - please send me an email off list. Or, any recommendations who I should contact? Thanks again. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Load Balancing Help AS Prepends don't work so well now-a-days. We have 3 full BGP feeds and keeping them balanced (incoming traffic) is quite a chore. It can be done, but it takes using communities and other BGP tricks. It would be worth finding a BGP Guru that can do some BGP magic and paying them a couple hundred $$'s to make it happen... Travis Microserv Scott Vander Dussen wrote: On a single ImageStream router we have two circuits: DS3 @ 45mb/s Fiber @ 100mb/s The DS3 is routed more efficiently (less hops) and the fiber less efficient (more hops). Since the BGP is routing traffic based upon number of hops to final destination only, the DS3 gets 95+% of all our internal traffic. What can I do to shift some (or even possibly all) of the traffic to the Fiber to balance things out? Thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that led me to the hps- why do you like them better? Thx. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen mailto:sc...@velociter.netsc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Randy- I don't see a need for that in our network - what practical applications would a PPPoE-based ISP have for MPLS? I don't know much about the benefits of MPLS as I've never worked with it, thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Do you want to do MPLS in the future? On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116
[WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement
Rick- Thanks a lot - I really appreciate it! Helps to have some foundation to begin from. Take care Happy new year! `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement You're welcome to use the attached but it comes with no guarantees. -RickG On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: Looking for a boiler-plate tower lease agreement - anyone willing to share? Thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower Lease Agreement
Looking for a boiler-plate tower lease agreement - anyone willing to share? Thanks in advance. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT Lamer question
Lamer question- I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are trying to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace back to China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a temporary (12 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts? Thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question
Oh yeah, it's been so long! (: Ok, that's what we did in the past too.. thanks.. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question I've never seen a rule like this on Mikrotik, but what Butch preaches is a proactive approach. I do this on my core router. Filter rules: accept input 22/tcp from src.addr list block all of the input 22/tcp traffic Repeat for 21, 8291, 80 etc Add good or well known IPs to the src.addr list This way you have to come from a known IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: Lamer question- I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are trying to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace back to China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a temporary (12 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts? Thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Long + Fast BH
Pathing a ~43mile backhaul with little luck meeting the throughput requirements. I'd buy whatever radio and antenna set could get me there - any help would be greatly appreciated! Licensed link would be most desirable. Offlist sales to sc...@velociter.net OK, thanks. Sacramento (rooftop): 38.57846N 121.49761W (38*34'42.44N / -121*29'51.38W) Height: 45m (151') Mean IP throughput required: 75mb/s (99.9+%) Min IP throughput required: 40mb/s (99.995+%) Stockton (tower): 37.99652N 121.20541W (37*59'47.46N / -121*12'19.49W) Height: 81m (266') Mean IP throughput required: 150mb/s (99.9+%) Min IP throughput required: 80mb/s (99.995+%) Rain rate 0.01% 37.87 mm/hr Thanks, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Well said! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Seriously? Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200 years. The list should start and end with the military and that can be argued either way. The only thing the government could do to help is to not do anything at all. Josh Luthman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Mike- Thanks - I have a feeling something is still wrong, the connection count is just too low - there are 10's of 1,000s of connections on our network and this thing is only showing 120 or so at a time. Investigating this closer, I see (even when refreshing and taking into consideration this is a snapshot) that the only connections are from nodes within the device's management IP subnet - does that seem right to you? It's on a very tight subnet which 95+% of our customers are not a part of. I thought the bridge IP was transparent, perhaps not? Was this fixed or remedied in later firmware revisions? Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question Current connections is a snapshot. You'd have to keep hitting refresh to see connections, some of which happen and are over in a fraction of a second. The penalty kicks in when the pipe begins to get full. Then it looks at IPs with multiple connections, and persistent connections. The only setting you really HAVE to do is set your trunk up and trunk down. It is a nice device and will keep you from having to buy more bandwidth. It just makes everybody play fair in an agnostic sort of way. Mike At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Climbing harness accessories
Anyone have a tower climbing harness tool/junk bag that works better than these: http://bit.ly/LuMGK and http://bit.ly/dLiN1 I had a zippered bag that fit around the harness belt but I can't buy those anymore. Also, we've used and really liked these radio holsters: http://bit.ly/10ER2c Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer contract
Randy- We're just using the ghetto $10/mo. Pro account, it's great. We used to email the docs to customers from within the Echosign portal which gave more control over who can read them and it also let us know how long they had the link before they e-signed, could send reminders and all that fancy junk - but we've found the webpage model that we're using now overall is more efficient for us. Feel free to run through the process if you'd like - just put in test only or something similar for the address fields and we'll disregard - you can see all the steps involved for the customer and how you get the doc PDFed back to your email etc. Take care, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer contract How do you like echosign? Are you using the Enterprise account, or just a Pro? Randy RickG wrote: Mike, Very nice! I like the e-signature. -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Scott Vander Dussensc...@velociter.net wrote: Mike- You can read ours at http://velociter.net/index2.html by clicking on the New Subscriber link on the bottom. Personally, I think our agreement rocks (: Lots of junk we learned the hard way has made its way in there. Hope it helps you out. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer contract Here you go. -RickG On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mike Goicoecheam...@cielosystems.net wrote: Can anyone send me a generic contract for a wisp customer? Please feel free to comment on what terms you have found most helpful. Thanks! Mike Goicoechea -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer contract
Mike- You can read ours at http://velociter.net/index2.html by clicking on the New Subscriber link on the bottom. Personally, I think our agreement rocks (: Lots of junk we learned the hard way has made its way in there. Hope it helps you out. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 7:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer contract Here you go. -RickG On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mike Goicoecheam...@cielosystems.net wrote: Can anyone send me a generic contract for a wisp customer? Please feel free to comment on what terms you have found most helpful. Thanks! Mike Goicoechea -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Used gear
I need 18GHz DW dishes 2' or larger - I'd pay $70 for working 900MHz Trango SUs with internal antenna. Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 9:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Used gear Trying to clean out some of our inventory, thought I'd try here first before ebay, just email me if you have any interest. Highlights, of tested gear, if you are looking for something else let me know, we have quite a lot we are testing and sorting still. Teletronics 120/19db horizontal, Maxrad 120 adjustable sectors horizontal, Tranzeo CPQ15's and 19's, TR-6000's, TR-5a's/5A-24's, Trango 900mhz, 95 degree horizontal sectors. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Content Filtering
Recommendations for home user grade content filtering (either software or hardware) - thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need service near San Diego, CA
Need descent 2mb/s symmetrical package or so for this address: 31812 Rancho Amigos RD Bonsall CA 92003 Please contact off list if you have any service, thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
**sigh** So anyhow, about my chest hair.. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks! I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on an old PC first. Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the something very small and simple. Thanks for the push! Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol. There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you can use Winbox for all configuration changes. The web interface is not the way to go at all.There is a on-line Wiki, and a manual on-line that will tell you what you need to know, but you have to know how to implement it. its not paste it in and magic happens. As far as making the leap, man I don't think so. Eje I am sure would agree there? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:13:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Jerry- Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported? I couldn't find anything on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this product in stock. Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for their full duplex backhauls. It'd be cool to combo a bullet5 and pico hp2 with a crossover harness that injects power where the bullet5 + omni would BH the devices and the pico would provide service to end users. Seems like you'd get a ghetto mesh for ~130/node. Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks I just went through this exercise - spent hours looking at various options. Deliberant and Engenius are the two options I arrived at. These seemed like the best price/performance to me and are refined enough to be easily supported. It's not true Mesh but rather WDS distribution via radio 1 and client access on radio 2 - Engenius EOC-7550 Dual radio AP (4 SSID/VLAN) - 199 - cheesy omni's included I think - Deliberant DUO Dual radio AP (16 SSID/VLAN) - 349 - no antennas If you can get away with a single radio WDS setup, then the costs drop through the floor - Sprinkle them around like chicklets: - Ubiquity Pico, Nano, etc - 49 and up - Engenius - copy cats - 49 and up - Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT - etc If it really needs to be mesh then the two lowest cost options I found are: - MikroTik with two radios - 349/kit assembled - no antennas - Ligowave DUO and Quad - 1k and up - no antennas __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Does MT make ice cream? If they did, it would be the BEST! Haha, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks hmmm. ice cream * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Harold Bledsoe wrote: Or ice cream. :) -Original Message- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800 I think you are making the point that mesh is a very broad term; it's like happiness - there are many flavors... Harold Bledsoe wrote: Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Vander
[WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some fun. I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good enough to justify a cost, otherwise free. Was hoping there is was a turn-key solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT). Anyhow, turn-key like Meraki advertises would be cool. How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware that works on those that could mesh? Very new to mesh - thanks in advance. `S PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT. (: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FOR SALE: Spectrum Analyzer + Trango Stuff
Nice Bumblebee SA + Trango Stuff http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZscottvd Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Travis- As Brad and some others have mentioned, we use a PB stamping system as well - monthly fees are nominal and works well. As a side note we charge $2.99/mo paper statement fee for customers who demand paper statements mailed monthly, 6mo and 12mo pre-paid customers get them for free though; email/CC free. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Postage Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Kernmantle Rope
Looking for 1200' of kernmantle rope. I found a spool here (sorry for the long URL, TinyURL doesn't work for this link) - https://www.nettechdi.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAINID~1=107ID~2=864ID~3=865CLEV=5PLEV=1QLEV=1PN=12764ITEM.NO=8PN.CT=21TRACKNO=J2537830143BANNERID= Price seems reasonable at $680/1200' thought I'd ask if anyone has a better source. Thanks! `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colored Lanyards
Yeah, found some blue ones, thanks for the link. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:41 AM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colored Lanyards That page does have several colors - great link, thanks! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:37 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Yeah. Midwest Unlimited Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:52:34 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Colored Lanyards I'd like to pick up some new nylon web lanyards for tower work but was hoping to get something other than the common yellow. I think it'd be an extra layer of safety to have different colored lanyards - if they're all the same color it's easier to get them mixed up which one you're clipping or unclipping. Any links, I can't find them at my normal stops? Thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Colored Lanyards
I'd like to pick up some new nylon web lanyards for tower work but was hoping to get something other than the common yellow. I think it'd be an extra layer of safety to have different colored lanyards - if they're all the same color it's easier to get them mixed up which one you're clipping or unclipping. Any links, I can't find them at my normal stops? Thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OSBridge Needed
Looking for an OSBridge 5GXT HPN radio needed for upcoming deadline (highgain is out of stock) - please email me scottatvelociter.net offlist if you have one to sell - thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
