Re: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?

[Brian J. Smith]

Hi Rob,  Attached is an example fiber lit building list for the region.
CTL/Level3 might work if Geneva is an option,  Verizon I never find to be
equitable.

Best,

Brian
800-997-8281

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 2:14 PM Jason Guzzo  wrote:

> Rob,
>
> FirstLight purchased the assets of FingerLake Technologies and had Fiber
> Optic facilities in the area for Middle Mile.  Frontier was awarded funding
> in the New NY Broadband Grant in that general area along with Hughes
> (satellite). The closet WISP that I know of is Clarity Fiber Solutions in
> Ithaca, NY or NYSYS in Rochester, NY.
>
> Jason Guzzo - General Manager
> Hudson Valley Wireless
> 34 Russell Rd. | Albany, NY 12205
> E-mail: jason.gu...@hvwisp.com
> Web: http://www.hvwisp.com | http://www.hvcomm.com
> Main: 518.458.7006Direct: 518.379.9470  Direct Fax:
> 518.379.9469
> Connect with us:
>
> Scheduling Page:
> https://hudsonvalley.acuityscheduling.com/schedule.php?calendarID=1118971
> GoToMeeting: https://www.gotomeet.me/JasonGuzzo
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:39 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Service in Finger Lakes?
>
> Hello WISPA community,
>
> Does anyone offer service in the Finger Lakes area of New York;
> specifically the stretch between Keuka and Seneca lakes?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
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[WISPA] WISP Service Request - 1107 Ulysses St NEBlaine, MN 55434

[Brian J. Smith]

HI,

Local carriers Comcast and Centurylink wont meet a install timeline for
this new construction.  Can anyone offer service here?

You can contact Jonathan McDonagh off list here

Jonathan 612-435-2001

Service Address:
*1107 Ulysses St NEBlaine, MN 55434*


I used Tower Coverage and see it might be an under served market.

Thank you

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST

[Brian Webster]

Re-reading your email, no there are not any produced maps other than a few 
cities I ran some investigative maps for to check the methodology in comparison 
to other data I had. The maps need to be generated based on the area of 
interest. The way the data gets sampled and resampled to create the color 
shading is related to the total number of records, and the ranges of the values 
in that subset. For instance looking at a county and making a map and then just 
clipping out data only for a city within that county a new map gets created. If 
one wanted to look at just the downtown area yet another map has to be 
generated. This currently is a manual process. 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software 
OFF LIST

 

Freudian slip.! :) . I for one found it educational.

 

Is there a place one can see these 5g maps easily for an area ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 

  _  

From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping
softwareOFF LIST

Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the list…….

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software 
OFF LIST

 

Bryan,

Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on 
the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two 
weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your 
question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF 
predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, 
actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways 
but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and 
coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to 
call and discuss in detail if you want.

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bryan Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software

 

 

What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) 
and post- install wifi heatmapping?

 

Regards,

Bryan

 

Bryan Brooks

Pavlov Media

217-530-1946

 


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Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST

[Brian Webster]

The carriers all publish their own mapping and apps on their web sites. 5G 
having not been accurately defined is not on those apps but 3G and 4G are. 
Usually you have to click on a tab to show that layer only. I used the term 5G 
in the blog to get some of the clueless people to pay attention. In reality 
it’s more small cells and network densification. The densification is being 
done only where capacity increase is needed. It does not have to be ubiquitous 
over the whole network. Those maps were shown to some carriers and their 
reaction, they were a bit surprised. One person who I know has been diving deep 
using their own switch data was surprised to find out we knew what they thought 
was only known internally to the company. Let’s just say they were not happy 
because it related to setting rent rates for locating small cells. The method 
can help municipalities level the playing field and get the best rents for the 
prime locations. A fact the carriers were hoping to keep secret.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software 
OFF LIST

 

Freudian slip.! :) . I for one found it educational.

 

Is there a place one can see these 5g maps easily for an area ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 

  _  

From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping
softwareOFF LIST

Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the list…….

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software 
OFF LIST

 

Bryan,

Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions on 
the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published two 
weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses your 
question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF 
predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your options, 
actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in quite a few ways 
but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building surveying and 
coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor solutions? Feel free to 
call and discuss in detail if you want.

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Bryan Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software

 

 

What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably 3D) 
and post- install wifi heatmapping?

 

Regards,

Bryan

 

Bryan Brooks

Pavlov Media

217-530-1946

 


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Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST

[Brian Webster]

Wish the recall message thing actually worked in situations like this….

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software 
OFF LIST

 

Whoops.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST

[Brian Webster]

Crap and you have to remember to change the address. Apologies to the
list...

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software
OFF LIST

 

Bryan,

Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions
on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published
two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses
your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF
predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your
options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in
quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building
surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor
solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want.

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-ne
tworks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software

 

 

What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably
3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping?

 

Regards,

Bryan

 

Bryan Brooks

Pavlov Media

217-530-1946

 

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Re: [WISPA] OFF LIST Predictive placement and heat mapping software OFF LIST

[Brian Webster]

Bryan,

Since they get touchy if we self-promote our own solutions
on the list I am sending this to you off list. Here is a blog I published
two weeks ago talking about a solution I have developed that may addresses
your question if you are looking for placement based on need. For other RF
predictions there are a few solutions. 3D RF modeling cuts down your
options, actual field survey data and post modeling can also be done in
quite a few ways but Ekahu seems to have a popular solution for in building
surveying and coverage mapping. Are you looking for indoor or outdoor
solutions? Feel free to call and discuss in detail if you want.

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-ne
tworks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Brooks
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Predictive placement and heat mapping software

 

 

What are folks using these days for predictive wifi heatmapping (preferably
3D) and post- install wifi heatmapping?

 

Regards,

Bryan

 

Bryan Brooks

Pavlov Media

217-530-1946

 

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[WISPA] Billing Solution

[Brian Rohrbacher]

What do we got out there for billing solutions?  My current one is not 
working out.  I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
falling apart.  I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
days and they just can't get it done.  It's beyond frustrating, time 
consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
my payment site is not secure.  I can't take it anymore.  I need some 
recommendations on whats out there.  I want good support.  I need a 
solution with support.  What's everybody using?  What do you like and 
dislike about it?


Brian


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Re: [WISPA] SIC codes

[Brian Webster]

SIC codes have been migrated to NAICS codes a number of years ago. That code
could be 517312 but they reference having licensed spectrum. They do mention
wireless internet providers specifically in the description though.

 

https://siccode.com/en/naicscodes/517312/wireless-telecommunications-carrier
s-except-satellite

 

 

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Lenig
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 11:30 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] SIC codes

 

Anyone know the SIC for a WISP?   I see "Internet Service - 7374021" and I
see Satellite Service has its own #, but nothing for WISP.

 

-Joe Lenig

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

[Brian Webster]

Daniel,

I am heading up the WECAT response for this. Please send me an 
email to bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com. Gino Villarini is a large WISP on the 
island who has requested help. The problem is logistics right now. His 
replacement equipment is still stateside and we are working on ways to get it 
to him. He has asked that I coordinate the manpower resources and response. 
There are no scheduled commercial flights to the island yet. Until he gets the 
equipment there,. Having people show up is not prudent. He is working on a 
detailed manpower list for me once that equipment hits the island.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Daniel K
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:10 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Puerto Rico assistance

 

Back in 2005 Mac Dearman had organized some relief for the gulf coast after 
Hurricane Katrina -- I believe it was under an organization called 
RadioResponse, which I'm not finding much on now. 

 

I spent several weeks with them in Mississippi helping set up phones, 
communications, and computers for several of the shelters and helping some of 
the local WISPs get back on their feet. 

 

Does anyone know of anything similar for Puerto Rico? I don't have much for 
resources but do have an authorized climber certification and a strong 
electrical, mechanical, network, and WISP background that I'm sure could 
benefit any similar effort if there is one.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Dan

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ping

[Brian Young]

Happy Labor Day.



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7 edge.


 Original message 
From: Marco Coelho 
Date: 9/4/17 12:24 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Ping

Is anyone out there?


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Re: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188

[Brian Young]

Correct.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet


 Original message 
From: Mike Hammett 
Date: 7/19/17 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188

My first thought is E-Vergent.



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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]

From: "David Funderburk" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:45:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188

Can anyone provide residential service this area in Illinois?
Carol Stream, IL 60188


Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] EIRP quick question

[Brian Webster]

You are reading the rules correctly. While you can increase power with a wider 
channel, you also lose power on the receive side when the channel gets wider. 
Going from a 5 MHz wide channel to a 10 MHz wide channel you lose 3 dB in 
receive. So in that case the power increase is a wash due to the decrease in 
receiver signal. This is a power density thing. You will also limit your 
ability to move around if you have any interference as well when you have wider 
channels. 3 dB gain doubles your power and 3 dB loss cuts your receive signal 
level in half.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eduardo
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] EIRP quick question

 

Hi guys,

 

We’re reviewing one of our links that is using RocketM365 radio and a RD-3G-26 
in each end. The link is using 5MHz channel width.

 

Here is the question:

 

Checking the FCC regulation part 90.1321 I found that the limitation of the 
EIRP is defined as follow:

 

§ 90.1321 Power and antenna limits. (a)  Base and fixed stations are limited to 
25 watts/25 MHz equivalent isotropically radiated power (EIRP). In any event, 
the peak EIRP power density shall not exceed 1 Watt in any one-megahertz slice 
of spectrum.

 

What I understand from this text is that for instance, if the link is using a 
25 MHz channel then the maximum EIRP is 25 W, and if the link was 10 MHz 
channel width then the maximum EIRP  is 10 W.

 

If I’m getting it right, our link can still increase the bandwidth changing the 
channel width to 10 or 25 MHz and still comply with the maximum EIRP establish 
by the regulation.

 

I’m interpreting the limitation correctly?

 

Thanks,

Eduardo Mejia

Webjogger Internet Services

www.webjogger.net

 

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Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??

[Brian Young]

Jan, CTI is an acronym for ConVergence Technologies, Inc.  I will have an 
account manager reach out off list.

thank you


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bundle With Dish Network TV??


Been trying to make contact with Real Choice, they don't seem to call back.  
It's a matter of adding 5-6Mbps to the client?  Is an additional server needed? 
 Who is CTI?

Jan Van Kort

Manager: Oregon Online, LLC

PO Box 71, Coquille, OR 97423

Office: 541-435-0509, Cell: 541-404-7001

[cid:part1.8D8B05C6.438BB040@oregononline.net]


On 02/14/2017 01:31 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
They just can't stop marketing to your customers.  Once you give them Dish 
Satellite, they will bundle in other services in the bills and continually 
blast them with commercials on all the channels they serve, including gift card 
offers, etc.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
The price includes support with server plus...so them.


-Sean


On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM RickG 
> wrote:
Who supports it, you or them?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi William,

The HD stream on realchoicetv uses about 5-6mbps which is about the same as 
Netflix and Hulu.  We really didn't need to "budget" any more bandwidth 
capacity because our clients are already streaming video.

As for costs contact CTI they are doing the sales for realchoice and they can 
give you their pricing.

We figure we'll be able to add at least $25 more/mo net revenue per sub to our 
bottom line.

-Sean

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:14 AM William C Bardwell 
> wrote:
Sean,

I have given this some thought for our network. What type of speeds and network 
capacity have to penciled in for your network? What is the cost?

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Other operators have complained that the harvest your client list and advertise 
heavily to get them to use DSL.  I've personally never sold satellite tv so I 
can't say that is true myself.

We are about to deploy RealchoiceTV which is Over the top (OTT) live streaming 
TV with local channels.  They are a WISPA member.

-Sean



On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:34 PM Scott Pope 
> wrote:
Hello All,

We have been contacted by Dish Network TV regarding the "Opportunity" to bundle 
with them and their Satellite TV product.  The representative has told me that 
they have partnered with many other WISP's in other areas of the country.  I 
was wondering if any other Operators had any success or failure stories to 
share?  I am cautiously optimistic of the idea.  I am just looking for feedback.

Thank You in Advance!

Scott Pope
Network and Operations Officer
Arbuckle Communications, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Brian Webster]

Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz
spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They
seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile
connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum
in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and
Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses.  All of
the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it
too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per
sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type
system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network
expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business
class circuits.

http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600

http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
> Deployment.
> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical.  They have 
> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
> connectivity being wireless to the home.  Details on bands used have 
> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have
> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan.   
> Interesting times.

That's right.  FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is
mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston
that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and
simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a
new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of
their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just
building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't
made it clear to the locals.

While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying
LTE, because 5 comes after 4".

ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP. 
It basically means they're abandoning most of the copper, updating some
short loops to U-Verse, and putting in a lot more wireless to replace the
copper. It's not fiber speed but it's cheap. Both AT and Verizon are very
very interested in 3.5 GHz CBRS, as well as millimeter wave for where that
works. You may recall that a few months ago, AT announced a plan to put
millimeter wave backhaul on top of utility poles, beaming pole to pole
(about half a mile), and using the electrical wires as a sort of waveguide
to help the signal.


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Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

[Brian Webster]

You have to walk away from that site. If you cannot reasonably discuss this
with a tower owner you never will. Your time will be much better spent on
finding a new or even building a new location. If you run in to a zoning
issue where they try to make you locate on the existing tower, most zoning
laws have exemptions for when there is not a structural capability and/or it
would place an economic hardship on the business. You may have to disclose
more business details than you prefer but it is an option if you have to go
that far.

If people are convinced they have gold and you can't make the case that
there have not been any carriers offering up those rates in recent years to
be on their site, then they will have to learn that the hard way.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Going Rate for Smaller Structures

On 1/11/17 15:56, Tim wrote:
> Free internet
> Warranty on all equipment
>
> Would not do a per sub.  The trust factor is to high risk.
>
>

How do you guys handle people that have been poisoned by what cell companies
pay? Like if someone says they need at least $2,500/mo from you because
that's what they would get from Verizon/AT/Sprint. I usually want to say
if a cell company wanted to be at your site they probably would have by now,
but I say something like they have a bigger subscriber base than we do and
we're only looking to target X customers in this area vs. thousands of
mobile devices.

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Coverage in Charlotte, MI

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I might be able to help, it's at the edge of my coverage area. Send me 
the address.




Brian Rohrbacher

Reliable Internet, LLC


On 8/12/2016 7:23 PM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net wrote:
I am looking for a WISP in Charlottle, MI area.  This is a city south 
of Lansing, MI.  Have a person searching for service.


Thank you,

Troy

Byhalia.net, LLC



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Re: [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

[Brian Joseph Smith]

HI Tim,

As a vendor Member of WISPA, we work with Service Providers and helping provide 
Centurylink carrier grade access all the time.  Their agreements do not have 
restrictions for distribution over your network, they only limit “resale” which 
is taking the entire product and marking it up, then offering to a single third 
party.

If you send me your desired address or town, with speed I can get a couple 
options for you for symmetrical Ethernet service.  In many cases we see 1Gb 
local access down to $900 and a burst able port with 100Mb commit for $646.  
Fixed port where fiber exists might be $1350 for 100Mb.  All depends on the 
fiber being available. 

Best,

Brian


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From:  <wireless-boun...@wispa.org> on behalf of Tim Way <t...@way.vg>
Reply-To:  WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Date:  Friday, June 10, 2016 at 8:41 AM
To:  WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject:  [WISPA] CenturyLink ... Will They Work With A WISP?

Does anyone have experience working with CenturyLink in regards to getting a 
proper circuit from that will legally allow you to resell bandwidth on it? In 
particular I know of a remote area that can get residential DSL but for miles 
and miles after that there is nothing. My hope is CenturyLink would convert 
that a business service would allow me to resell it. I'd be willing to extend 
from there outwards into areas that are completely without non satellite or 
cellular service.

Some quick Google work shows up only 1 relevant result and it would seem I 
would need to be a CLEC to make that work.

Being the peach they are usually to work with just looking for what others have 
experienced before I try to work through some phone trees at CenturyLink.

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Red Shift on here?

[Brian Wilson]

Anyone from Red Shift on this list?
Or anyone else in the Monterey area?
Will be visiting the area soon.

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Brian Wilson]

There's a California list?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
wrote:

  Cool.  I'll set something up.  Are you guys all on the California list?

 -Kristian

 On 11/14/2014 11:55 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

 Totally should!



 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
 wrote:

  We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all seem to be
 close enough to smell the same stink. ;-)

 -Kristian


 On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

 Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that
 intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks.

  Moo.

  -Mike


 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com wrote:

   Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

  The smell is most likely residual...

   *From:* Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Looking for service


 Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom.

 Think they accidentally swapped the names...
 On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
 wrote:

  A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the
 county line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure
 I'm missing some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

 -Kristian

 On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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  From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
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 Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

   Looking for 10 meg

 1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
 Manteca, CA 95337

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Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb

[Brian Wilson]

Goggles will go right over the top of your glasses.

Finally I can make a cogent response on here based on my experiences. As a
bicyclist.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 What if you wear glasses?


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 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Get some ski goggles.  Keep your eyes warm and your body won’t be so
 cold.  Proven scientific fact.

 Justin


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 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] chilly tower climb

 Amazing how much faster I climb when it's cold outside!

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Re: [WISPA] procera or similiar product

[Brian Wilson]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Chris Wright ch...@velociter.net wrote:

 Well I doubt it’ll get easier and less expensive than Apple’s $20 Server
 plugin for OSX. As far as Windows, I don’t think M$ offers anything. You
 could set up a squid server – good luck.



 Chris Wright

 Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/



Setting Squid itself is pretty easy,  but Windows Updates are weird.
Go look here: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/WindowsUpdate
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Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?

[Brian Webster]

Here is an analysis we did in Illinois of the various technologies within the 
state and the household densities those technology footprints represent.

 

Analysis Results for Illinois

Based on Round 9 data

 


TECHNOLOGY

HOUSING UNITS PER SQMI

% OF HOMES PASSED

% AREA


DSL (T10, T20)

150

93.4

53.5


Other Copper (T30)

1093

61.9

4.9


CABLE (T40, T41)

483

91.5

16.3


FTTH (T50)

256

13.8

4.6


SATELLITE (T60)

86

100.0

100.0


Fixed Wireless (T70, T71)

93

95.1

87.9


Mobile Wireless (T80)

86

100.0

99.4


Broadband Over Power line (T90)

449

0.1

0.0


NOT SERVED

5

0.3

4.6

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?

 

So 32.8 blocks per square mile.  Over 4 times the density in our area.  What 
are you big sky western folks seeing?

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brett Woollum
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?

 

I had 6,000+ for our suburban area which includes 183sq mi and 490k population.

I imagine our blocks are much denser than a rural area, for example.

http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/New-FCC-477-Filing-Requirements-Data-Conversion-Tools-SOLVED/m-p/1013743#U1013743

Brett Woollum
Senior Sales Engineer
br...@tekify.com

Tekify Broadband Internet Services
Web: http://www.tekify.com
Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200
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  _  

From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:03:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?

Our actual RF coverage area is 702 square miles.  This is 5503 census blocks 
that we have service available in and not just blocks we have subscribers in.  
That comes to about 7.83 blocks per square mile on average.  

 

Just curious if y'all are seeing this many blocks per square mile in other 
areas?  

Be sure you're not under submitting on the 477 fixed broadband deployment 
section.  This is for areas you can provide service in and not only blocks you 
have subscribers in.  We don't want to under represent our ability to provide 
service in these areas.

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 

towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ 

ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com/  

 


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Re: [WISPA] help with kubuntu and Dude

[Brian Wilson]

It should not be expanding the tilde with incorrect casing, that's odd. I'd
try putting the full path in instead of the tilde notation

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

  I would make a symlink from /Home to /home and see if that fixes it.

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 09/08/2014 08:52 AM, Sam wrote:

 At first guess I'd say it's looking for /Home/ but you have it in /home/

 (Linux is case-sensitive on file and directory names.)

 On 9/5/2014 19:37, J. Van Kort wrote:

  running kubuntu 14.04LTS
 cannot get Dude to run in root mode.  Having issue with the proper
 command line syntax.

 Dude is installed at: /home/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Dude/dude.exe

 Attempted command line entry: kdesudo wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program
 Files/Dude/dude.exe 

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Re: [WISPA] Ticketing software

[Brian Wilson]

Usually I think organic means the system was not designed but grew on its
own. References to fertilizers might not be completely off base though.

Our home grown system is actually both billing and work flow but does not
really include a clean way to track calls, it allows for assigning tasks to
field workers but does not have a help desk orientation.

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Re: [WISPA] Ticketing software

[Brian Wilson]

Our current billing system is home grown. Completely organic.


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote:


 As do most of the other billing systems that are WISPA members.

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[WISPA] Ticketing software

[Brian Wilson]

What are people using for customer support ticketing software?

We currently use a combination of pink notes and email.
(and I wish I was joking.)

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Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring Program

[Brian Wilson]

I have inherited a very old version of Nagios and we also use The Dude from
Mikrotik.

That's what we have installed here right now, not a recommendation. ;-)

I am very interested to hear what other people are using, too.
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Re: [WISPA] FCC PET LAb goodies in July

[Brian Wilson]

Did you mean to include a URL with this message?


On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

   Is it Xmas in July? Lots of FCC approval  goodies coming out…



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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

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I don’t see it as a beginning to an end, it’s an enhanced option for a low cost 
data plan. Ala Carte if you will, the consumer may just do a bulk of their data 
use on something like Facebook and minimally for other uses. Why pay for a 
whopping big data plan when you may not need it. Get a decent base price 
program and then bump up where you want it. This may work well for audio in the 
car. Should be cheaper than Satellite radio. Don’t vilify something like this, 
if it becomes more commonplace carriers on any type of network may be able to 
increase their ARPU for low data use customers by changing their billing model. 

 

You don’t go to a fast food restaurant and pay one price for access to the menu 
by weight knowing you cannot eat all that weight, you just buy what you need. 
The video content companies need to go to this eventually to stem the massive 
erosion of the cable video subscribers, but they are going to milk that cash 
cow as long as they can.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

 

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburner
 
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/30/12-a-month-for-facebook-sprint-tramples-over-net-neutrality-with-new-prepaid-plan/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29utm_content=FaceBook
 
utm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+DroidLife+%28Droid+Life%29utm_content=FaceBook

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Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

[Brian Webster]

I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular 
somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. 
I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works 
well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Coenraad Loubser
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

 

Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? 
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680

I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions 
possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it 
works on your networks?

Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock 
the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie?

On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by 
their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? 


Regards



Coenraad Loubser

WISH Networks (Pty) Ltd.
2nd Floor, Merriman Place, Cnr. Merriman  Bird Str, Stellenbosch, 7600, ZA

Office: 087 805 7480
Skype: Wish_Support
Email:  mailto:coenr...@wish.org.za coenr...@wish.org.za

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Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

[Brian Webster]

It does allow your cellular text messaging to work as well. For those who do 
have to take calls for work and such it’s nice when they are in areas that 
cellular coverage is lacking or spotty like basements and such. For a company 
say like a small WISP that answers their business phones while they are out 
working, it serves a good purpose, especially at tower sites where you may not 
have cell coverage but have Wi-Fi running on site for data connectivity.

 

Surprisingly enough Josh not everyone is a 20 something who is glued to their 
apps and social media sites or email ;-)

 

 

Thank You,

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www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

 

Seems pointless nowadays to do any of this, so I know I am not expecting it to 
happen with ATT or Verizon.  Who uses voice minutes any more?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:

I don’t remember the actual protocol but it is in the standards for cellular 
somewhere. This company www.republicwireless.com is doing it with CDMA as well. 
I have been a beta tester for them since their inception. It works and works 
well on just about any Wi-Fi connection that does not have horrible latency.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Coenraad Loubser
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 2:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling

 

Has anyone looked at exactly how T-Mobile's Wi-Fi Calling works? 
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680

I'm interested in what protocols they use, if there are any special provisions 
possible on the Wi-Fi network side, how reliable it is, and how seamlessly it 
works on your networks?

Reason being, IOS 8 is adding similar functionality. Isn't this bound to rock 
the voice boat somewhat, and start re-slicing the pie?

On a related note, is anyone invoicing any of the incumbents for data used by 
their customers in some sort of data offloading agreement, yet? 


Regards



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Ceragon IP20's?

[Brian Rohrbacher]

  
  
I'm also interested in some feedback.

On 6/12/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini
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Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

[Brian Webster]

I have been a beta tester from the early days as well. Great product and it 
does roam on to the Verizon network when you don’t have Sprint coverage. The 
rest of my Verizon phones will be moving to Republic when the contracts are up.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 8:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's 
and couldn't be happier!

On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 

They've been doing this for a couple years now.



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From: TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I 
don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload 
seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but 
when I only have wifi coverage.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

https://republicwireless.com/

Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs.

Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either.

 



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 

 

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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?

What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/  do? I don’t seem to grasp the whole 
deal…

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

*nods* I reached out to the guys that Bandwidth.com started up, but they said 
they were too early in the business to worry about stuff like that.

Hotspot 2.0 (according to the hype) could be nice for us - doing last mile to 
the WiFi networks.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 

 

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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:17:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?

I think this is something Wispa could/should manage as part of WISPA 
strategic/business development area

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

The future is going to be interesting for sure.

 

A few questions come to mind. 

Is there a business model where WISP’s can partner with a Google or Microsoft 
to help advance our offerings or would you be just selling your soul to Satan.

How do you compete against that level of investment if they start putting up 
hotspots to offload from the LTE networks in your area since that will most 
likely destroy 2.4 and 5.7-8 bands.

 

Steve Barnes

General Manager

PCSWIN.com

Howard LLC.

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

http://gigaom.com/2014/05/21/google-reportedly-plans-to-target-businesses-with-wi-fi/?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

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Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

[Brian Webster]

That is their drawback for some and the reason being they have to build a
custom ROM that has their Wi-Fi programming in it and then they have to get
Sprint to test and approve the phone for their network. The availability of
the Moto X and G phones along with the older DefyXT give a little more
choice than when they started service. My son just received his MotoG and
loves it. Doesn't do 4G data but Sprint has not upgraded their network here
anyway. My older kids will be getting Republic phones by the end of summer.
This will shave $150 a month from my cell phone costs and since we all have
Android phones now it's not a major change. I will just lose my slide out
keyboard. The big plus will be not having to worry about the kids going over
on the shared data plan. They are good about that now but it is one less
worry.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Martha Huizenga
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Jason Bailey; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

the CEO of republic wireless spoke at the WIFI conference in DC a couple of
weeks ago. Seemed like a pretty amazing service. If I could use my existing
phone I would sign up!

Martha Huizenga
202-546-5898

DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ 
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Promote your business locally with HillAds http://www.hillads.com 

On 5/23/2014 8:19 AM, Jason Bailey wrote:

I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to
Moto-X's and couldn't be happier!

On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 

They've been doing this for a couple years now.



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From: TJ Trout  mailto:t...@pcguys.us t...@pcguys.us
To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main
stream, I don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and
wifi offload seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm
on network but when I only have wifi coverage.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:



https://republicwireless.com/

Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs.

Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either. 

 



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 

 


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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?

What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/  do? I don't seem to grasp the
whole deal.

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 6:46 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

*nods* I reached out to the guys that Bandwidth.com started up, but they
said they were too early in the business to worry about stuff like that.

Hotspot 2.0 (according to the hype) could be nice for us - doing last mile
to the WiFi networks.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 

 


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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:17:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?

I think this is something Wispa could/should manage as part of WISPA
strategic/business development area

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

The future is going to be interesting for sure.

 

A few questions come to mind. 

Is there a business model where WISP's can partner with a Google or
Microsoft to help advance our offerings or would you be just selling your
soul to Satan.

How do you compete against that level of investment if they start putting up
hotspots to offload

Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Brian Webster]

American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did 
say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their 
tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. 
If the tower is very rural and they don’t have a lot or requests for space on 
it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing 
to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being 
able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals 
where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give 
the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site.

 

While there will be a lot of WISP’s who will say they can still build their own 
towers cheaper, being able to use a  major commercial tower company in a way 
that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in 
the right direction compared to years past.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

 

For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it.  Geez.

Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

- Original Message - 

From: Zach Underwood mailto:z...@zachunderwood.me  

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very 
well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. 

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

How pricing looked like?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: Zach Underwood z...@zachunderwood.me
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net 
wrote:

American tower, yes

On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

[Brian Webster]

At their presentation they mentioned having lower rent the first year, then 
bumping it in years two and three up to the final rate. I do know they were 
mentioning rent rates much lower than the typical cellular rates quoted in 
years past. You need to get in touch with the WISP program director at American 
Tower thought as some of the regional market people may not be aware of the 
program for WISP’s. Rick would have that contact person, I can’t seem to find 
it.

 

Thank You,

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www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

Brian 
when you say they  do graduated rent increase what do you mean by that? 
because alot of times its cheaper to rent space from village on there water 
towers or build your own for that 600-1000 per month from American Tower Co.

Tim

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From: Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Date: 05/23/14 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

American Tower spoke at the Mid Atlantic WISA Conference last week. They did 
say that rents are going to be location based, meaning that areas where their 
tower may be the only game in town due to zoning restriction you will pay more. 
If the tower is very rural and they don't have a lot or requests for space on 
it (and in some areas the towers are actually empty) they are much more willing 
to talk about lower rent. They did also mention something about any fees being 
able to be billed over 12 months. They also said that they have done deals 
where they do a graduated rent increase in the first couple of years to give 
the WISP a break until they get a revenue stream going on that site.

 

While there will be a lot of WISP's who will say they can still build their own 
towers cheaper, being able to use a major commercial tower company in a way 
that is at least in the ballpark for a WISP business model is a major leap in 
the right direction compared to years past.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 11:15 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

 

For $750 / month and 4k startup i'll put up a tower and sell space on it.  Geez.

Can't even get rent here for that in some parts of town

- Original Message -

From:Zach Underwood mailto:z...@zachunderwood.me 

To:WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org 

Sent:Friday, May 23, 2014 10:07 AM

Subject:Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

Example. I got pricing from ATC for 200 foot of 250 foot tower in a in a very 
well to do part of town for $750 mrc. Setup cost was $4k. 

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

How pricing looked like?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From:Zach Underwood  z...@zachunderwood.me 
Reply-To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
Date: Friday, May 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM 
To: WISPA General List  wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wisp friendly Tower co's

 

http://www.americantower.com/corporateus/solutions/solutions-for-industries/wireless-internet-service-providers/index.htm

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Adair Winter  ada...@amarillowireless.net 
wrote:

American tower, yes

On May 23, 2014 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini  g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

Who has the Wisp friendly program? American Towers?

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 


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Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

[Brian Webster]

I haven’t found an area on Verizon where it won’t roam yet. The sprint coverage 
around rural NY is spotty at best off the interstate corridors but Verizon 
Coverage is strong, roams just fine with both data and voice. If you search the 
republic blog on their site they actually go in to detail about how many of 
their customers do this and the minutes used over the whole, they say it still 
falls well within their business model.

 

The real neat thing about Republic is that the voice and texts also work over 
Wi-Fi, that means if you are in a no cell coverage area but can connect to 
Wi-Fi you now have cell coverage without having to use a FemToCell home base 
station connected to broadband.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

Ahh I did a search. You can roam onto verizon towers which sprint has roaming 
agreements on. This wouldn't be the entire network though. Probably just in 
small towns where verizon already has a network and sprint didn't think it was 
worth building in (low usage areas)

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:56 AM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us wrote:

Roam onto verizon but your main network is sprint? Are you positive about that? 
Seems unlikely.

 

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Brian Webster i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:

That is their drawback for some and the reason being they have to build a 
custom ROM that has their Wi-Fi programming in it and then they have to get 
Sprint to test and approve the phone for their network. The availability of the 
Moto X and G phones along with the older DefyXT give a little more choice than 
when they started service. My son just received his MotoG and loves it. Doesn’t 
do 4G data but Sprint has not upgraded their network here anyway. My older kids 
will be getting Republic phones by the end of summer. This will shave $150 a 
month from my cell phone costs and since we all have Android phones now it’s 
not a major change. I will just lose my slide out keyboard. The big plus will 
be not having to worry about the kids going over on the shared data plan. They 
are good about that now but it is one less worry.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Martha Huizenga
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Jason Bailey; WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

 

the CEO of republic wireless spoke at the WIFI conference in DC a couple of 
weeks ago. Seemed like a pretty amazing service. If I could use my existing 
phone I would sign up!

Martha Huizenga
202-546-5898

DC Access, LLC http://www.dcaccess.net/ 
Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!
Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
Join us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/DCAccess  or follow us on Twitter 
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On 5/23/2014 8:19 AM, Jason Bailey wrote:

I've had 2 lines with Republic since the early beta. Upgraded them to Moto-X's 
and couldn't be happier!

On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:16 AM, Mike Hammett  
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 

They've been doing this for a couple years now.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


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From: TJ Trout  mailto:t...@pcguys.us t...@pcguys.us
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Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market with Wifi gear?

I've been wonding when this would happen, hopefully this will go main stream, I 
don't know why it hasn't already. All networks are suffering and wifi offload 
seems like an answer. I want to be able to make calls like I'm on network but 
when I only have wifi coverage.

 

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

https://republicwireless.com/

Sprint MVNO with WiFi - cellular handoffs.

Also tried to resell\white-label and they weren't ready for that either. 

 



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http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ 

 


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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:24:06 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google luring Business Market  with Wifi gear?

What bandwidth.com http://bandwidth.com/  do? I don’t seem to grasp the whole 
deal…

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com/

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

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Reply-To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Brian Webster]

Matt,

Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal 
the even number Fresnel zones.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time 
foliage mapping. Not going to find it. 


On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the 
same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Brian Webster]

Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
(1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
(this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.

A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
signal due to same.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
grasp why it works.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 Matt,
 
 Signals do change as you change height as you expose 
 or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.
 
  
 
 Thank You,
 
 Brian Webster
 
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
 
 www.Broadband-Mapping.com
 
  
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
 
  
 
 Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real 
 time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.
 
 
 On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
 just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
 level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
 change as I increment height.
 
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
  
 
 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
 cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com
 mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:
 
 Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
 walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910
 
 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
  There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example
 wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
 site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
 as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
 map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
 able to adjust the elevation on the fly.
 
  
 
 I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
 too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for
 support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

[Brian Webster]

Not really, Fresnel zone size is a function of frequency and distance between 
the two end points. The zone is football shaped with the widest part of the 
zone half way between the two end points. Antenna patterns have nothing to do 
with Fresnel zone size. 

 

Here is a Fresnel Zone size calculator with a good basic illustration:   
http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/FresnelZone.asp

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Clay Stewart [mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:02 PM
To: Brian Webster; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks.

 

So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz you should never 
shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'?

 

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com 
wrote:

Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones
(1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed
Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the
ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones
(this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the
cancelling effect giving an apparent gain.

A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light
with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular
pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark
rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd
numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the
rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get
more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more
even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in
signal due to same.


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Can you explain this more?  This isn't what I was getting at... but since
you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth
explaining in more detail.  I'm familiar with the concept but still can't
grasp why it works.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 

On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 Matt,

 Signals do change as you change height as you expose
 or conceal the even number Fresnel zones.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?



 Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real
 time foliage mapping. Not going to find it.


 On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.
  What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to
 just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground
 level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal
 change as I increment height.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart
 cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com
 mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can
 walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 
 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910

 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
  There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example
 wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a
 site and putting them in the same list.  I feel with technology
 as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a
 map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being
 able to adjust the elevation on the fly.



 I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
 too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions

Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

[Brian]

yes that is correct.



On 1/21/2014 2:55 PM, Aaron D. Osgood wrote:
 Do you mean Teleco Springfield?

 www.telecospfd.com





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 TEL: 207-781-5561
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 GVoice: 207.518.8455
 GTalk: aaron.osgood
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Mattox
 Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

 Missouri Secretary of State website shows it is a fictitious registration
 filed in 1998 for Advantage Telecom, Inc. from Crocker, MO.

 On 1/20/2014 8:37 PM, Brian wrote:
 No just looking for info.


 On 1/20/2014 8:04 PM, Craig House wrote:
 I know nothing about them.  What are you looking to do with them
 Bandwidth? Fiber?
 Craig


 - Original Message -
 From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:02:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

 Denis and Carol Ringer are the owners.


 On 1/20/2014 7:52 PM, Craig House wrote:
 We are in Springfield.  Never heard of them.  Any other name?

 Cra
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 From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:39:04 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

 Hello To the group.

 Has anyone had any dealings with this company? Telco Springfield.

 Thanks,
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[WISPA] teleco springfield MO

[Brian]

Hello To the group.

Has anyone had any dealings with this company? Telco Springfield.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

[Brian]

Denis and Carol Ringer are the owners.


On 1/20/2014 7:52 PM, Craig House wrote:
 We are in Springfield.  Never heard of them.  Any other name?

 Cra
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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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 Hello To the group.

 Has anyone had any dealings with this company? Telco Springfield.

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

[Brian]

No just looking for info.


On 1/20/2014 8:04 PM, Craig House wrote:
 I know nothing about them.  What are you looking to do with them  Bandwidth? 
 Fiber?

 Craig


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 From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:02:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

 Denis and Carol Ringer are the owners.


 On 1/20/2014 7:52 PM, Craig House wrote:
 We are in Springfield.  Never heard of them.  Any other name?

 Cra
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 From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:39:04 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] teleco springfield MO

 Hello To the group.

 Has anyone had any dealings with this company? Telco Springfield.

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Brian Webster]

One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space
loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP
router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter
distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 

Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all
know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I
saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea
until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the
stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another
any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work
around it, we always do.

I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and
see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3
connections in the whole city to them

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg 

 

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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General
List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Are you seeing any impact from them?


On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
wrote:

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354
5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg 

 


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From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to
power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers
who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision
threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  We have been
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going
to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his
prepared testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0  (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0  (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 
- Broadcasting  Cable has this story
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Brian Webster]

I bid a lot of the RF work on these networks two years ago with another
company (they got greedy on the bid, didn't win). They are building these
networks to offer the fixed broadband customers a mobility component to help
reduce churn with the cord cutting mentality crowd. If the low bandwidth
users can do everything over their cell phone data plan, why would they need
the cable company and cable internet? Now if they have FREE mobile data
coverage in most of the places they go as part of their home broadband
connection, it offers some added benefit and helps reduce their churn, which
is part of the cost justification model for them. Given they don't have to
pay any backhaul or pole rental costs for these, they only have the
hardware, labor and power investment. They are using capital money they
received from selling spectrum to Verizon a couple of years ago (a group of
cable companies had a block of spectrum). 

These devices are clearly capable of multiple SSID's so another possible
revenue stream will be to go to the cellular companies and offer their own
SSID for cellular data network offload. Since these cable companies are
building a large footprint per carrier in the most dense cellular data
consumption markets, they have the best chance of making that type of
program work. They will have the critical mass of network coverage to get
the cell companies to want to pay for this offload rather than let the
customer worry about it.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out 
but also pollute more.

The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast
attempting to do here?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
 Having had the privilege of living through PGE's rollout of 900MHz
 smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.

 The PGE smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
 got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
 miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
 and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.

 Making a few assumptions here:
 Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
 WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
 At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.

 If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
 for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
noise.

 Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
 PGE is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers


 On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
 Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
 example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
 cable plants and blasting all over the town.

 On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
 WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
 covering the town!


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312

 On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
   How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
  
   What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
 Internet over Wireless?
  
   If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
 would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
 deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
  
   If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
 of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
 infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
  
   Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
 a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
 like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
  
   --Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
   Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
  
   Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain

Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

Hello Craig,

Thanks for the call on Saturday. Sorry to here that you was in a car 
accident. I think at this time I would be more interested in the used 
towers that you have. Let me know what you have on ground and maybe we 
can get together over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks,
Brian



On 11/2/2013 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
 45G 100' Guyed tower kit delivered price is 4249.00

 75' freestanding is a bit harder to match exactly since they dont seem to 
 make one exactly that size so here is a close price 70' KA series kit is 
 available as follows.  I can probably get something cheaper in an 1810 series 
 tower but would have to get specific pricing on it for you if interested.


 sorry this took so long to get to you.  I have been sick all week

 Craig


 Tower and Height 70’ KA Self-Supporting Tower
   
 Base Width 4’-1”
   
 Top Width 1’-6”
   
 Design Specification EIA/TIA 222-F
 Basic Wind Speed Per Dwg. 1441
 and Ice Loading Please note: This tower is engineered for a maximum of 70 
 mph. To determine if the tower
 can withstand higher wind speeds, you will need to go thru the engineering 
 process which
 could change the price on your tower
   
 Standard Items The following items are included in the price of your tower:
   Hot-dipped galvanized sections and components per ASTM 123
 All Steel manufactured per ASTM A513
 Tower assembly hardware (A 325)
 Anchor Bolt Base Cage Assembly
   
 Price $6659.00
   
 Optional Items Cable Safety Climb System (excludes harness) - $915.00
   Standard Top Plate with 2” mast - $189.00
   Flat top plate – no drill holes - $165.00
   Base Grounding Kit - $90.00
   FAA Lighting-Varies need more info.
   P.E. signed and sealed drawings (site specific) – $1,500.00
 Custom foundation design if soil report is supplied, or normal 4000 p.s.f. 
 soil will be utilized –
 $1,500.00
   
 Delivery Approx. 2-3 Weeks
 Freight Shipping to 65610 -$800.00 per tower (Commercial Address)
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Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

Craig

100 foot in guyed and 75 in freestanding. Complete kits are ok.

Thanks,
Brian

On 10/27/2013 7:31 PM, Craig House wrote:
 Brian.  What heights are you looking for?  I can get them for you and have 
 them shipped within a week generally.  Are you looking for complete kits with 
 base plate or bottom section and with top sections?  Complete kits include 
 turnbuckles, thimbles, cable, big grips, ground rods, tension brackets, 
 anchors etc.  Let me know what you need I can get you pricing.  Need to know 
 what your looking for in freestanding sizes as well.

 Craig


 - Original Message -
 From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26:09 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Tower

 I'm looking for Rohn 45G or equivalent. I'm also looking for some
 inexpensive free standing towers aswell. I can remove some of the
 smaller towers myself.

 Thanks,
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[WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

I'm looking for Rohn 45G or equivalent. I'm also looking for some 
inexpensive free standing towers aswell. I can remove some of the 
smaller towers myself.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video?

[Brian Webster]

Rick,
I would highly recommend you purchase the new frames for the go
pros. They are not waterproof but allow you use the same mounting system yet
leave the camera so that you can plug in a USB power supply while the camera
is running, this will also expose the microphones for better audio
recordings.

http://gopro.com/camera-mounts/the-frame

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 7:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video?

Matt,

I bought extended batteries for our GoPros to record the event without issue
this time.  They will be made available to WISPA Members.  It won't be right
away as it takes some time to process 50 or so 1 hour sessions.

Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
Join Us at WISPAPALOOZA 2013 - Las Vegas, Oct 12-18

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org
adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)






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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 5:43 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] WISPALOOZA Video?
 
 Will there be any video/youtube recording of WISPALOOZA this year?  I 
 am pretty sure not all out key people cannot make the fiber weekend 
 and the conference.  Very interested in the fiber weekend.
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Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd

[Brian Webster]

Right now the rule of thumb for adequate bandwidth to a school is 100k per 
student. Documenting what schools currently have is a hot topic for the 
national broadband map. We are diving deep on this topic in Illinois and it’s 
like herding cats. We did hear back from the Chicago City Schools and while we 
are trying to get a more definitive data set from them, they did state that the 
high school buildings typically have 50 meg and the elementary buildings 20 
meg. There are many more elementary school buildings than high school buildings 
in Chicago so the student population at each location is different and this the 
different bandwidth. 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Owen
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 3:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd

 

It will be an interesting discussion for sure.  We currently have service built 
to many schools, most with the capacity to provide 100 + megs.  Most schools 
are purchasing somewhere in the 5 – 20meg range as that is what they can 
afford, including their current subsidy from E-Rate.  We are providing service 
to rural schools and they just can’t afford more.  Not sure how the FCC feels 
these schools will be able to afford 100+ meg connections and beyond that, 
where does the money come from to continue to fund E-Rate with what are sure to 
be large increased demands on the funding to support these larger pipes.

 

Kevin

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ConnectEd

 

I think so. I asked the same question a few weeks ago and the response was 
something to the effect of, Is this something WISPA members want to respond 
to? The response seemed to be a resounding yes.

Now I just hope that it's something that we can get a piece of vs. telling them 
to not do it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: Kevin Owen ko...@fsr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 1:42:13 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ConnectEd

Do we know if WISPA as an organization is currently reviewing or plans to 
review/make comments to the NPRM for the revisions to the E-Rate program.  Is 
WISPA following the discussions concerning the Federal ConnectED program that 
wants to see a minimum connection standard to all schools and libraries of 100 
megs with a 5 year goal of having access to 1 gig of available bandwidth for 
all schools and libraries?

thanks,

Kevin Owen

First Step Internet, LLC  


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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] NTIA reporting limit of 25Mbps for wireless networks

[Brian Webster]

He is incorrect. 

 

The error check tool we states have to run will throw an error and the state
has to make an exception record entry in to their submitted documentation
but it does not prohibit any state from submitting data for fixed wireless
carriers above 25 meg. I have done this for Illinois in the past. This is a
common argument I have with the NTIA as they do not seem to keep up with the
technology advancements in the fixed wireless world and thus their error
check tool always seems to lag based on speeds reported. They have been
limiting what MOBILE wireless carriers are allowed to report but that has
been based upon the massive difference in claims of speed vs. the speed test
data they have been gathering from their speed test app they give away for
smart phone users. I have reviewed the speed test data for Illinois, and
specifically the mobile data. The NTIA is correct in pushing the mobile
wireless carriers to report a lot less than their claims. Last year they had
a big meeting with the mobile wireless carriers where they hashed this issue
out. The 25 meg rule was part of the result of those meetings. States cannot
report mobile carriers at more than that but they most certainly can for
fixed wireless.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 1:49 PM
To: a...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [AFMUG] NTIA reporting limit of 25Mbps for wireless networks

 

I was just informed by Tom McKean of the State of Colorado broadband mapping
agency OIT tom.mck...@state.co.us that the NTIA doesn't let them report
any wireless plans as being faster than 25Mbps.

 

We have deployed quite a bit of Canopy 450 this year and we have plans that
are 30Mbps down and 10Mbps up.

 

Are his statements correct?  Why does the NTIA have an arbitrary limit for
wireless networks?

 

inquiring minds want to know!

 

-sean

 

 

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[WISPA] Service in Southern New England

[Brian Spade]

Does anyone know any companies providing service in Southern New England,
such as Groton / New London, CT?  Prefer 100 Mbps+

Thanks...
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Re: [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL

[Brian Webster]

Remember when looking at stats like this that the cable and DSL industries
have been doing this a lot longer and have already built up a large number
of customers in a mature market. Say you have 8 thousand customers, to get a
7.2% increase you would have to add 576 customers. If you are a new fiber to
the home or wireless operator and have 500 customers, you only need to add
100 customers to get a 20% increase. A fixed wireless operator with 1000
customers would only have to add 120 new subscribers to get that 12%
increase.  If you look at the year adds column in this article, the DSL
industry had more than 4 million more new customers than cable but only
posted half the growth rate percentage and still had over 9 million more new
subscribers than fiber to the home.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:51 PM
To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
Subject: [WISPA] Fixed Wireless growing faster than Cable and DSL

 

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/04/world-broadband-users-reach-643
-7-million-fuelled-by-fibre-optic-connectivity.html

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I've contacted MT support once.  It was a week ago.  I had an old 532 
running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade.  I went to the website, filled out 
the form, attached the sup file and sent it.  I got a reply five minutes 
later with a new key.  I upgraded.  Life is good.  :)

Brian


On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to
 use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely
 absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said,
 usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been
 fixed in a newer release.

 MT support in their forum is hit and miss.  I get timely responses
 from supp...@mikrotik.com.  I don't understand the people who
 complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to
 e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com.  I am not saying that Mike is one of
 those guys.  I don't know if his statement is based on experience
 with supp...@mikrotik.com or not.

 The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a
 different take on things than we in North America do.  I think
 that's just due to the culture and language differences.  They tend
 to come off as being a bit brusk to us.

 I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment.
 They go into designated test environments.  The Edge Router may be
 the best thing since sliced bread.  However, the devices I've used
 the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing
 stack.  Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which
 had its own problems.  Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS
 to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition.

 When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk.  Then
 it will be put a nearby but small tower site.  If it behaves, I'll
 put one on a non-leaf node tower.  I'm not in a hurry to get my
 first EdgeRouter.

 Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21.  We have not run
 any production MikroTik wireless gear.  We just haven't.  We picked
 up some Ubiquiti gear first.  No other reason.

 I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house.  It has wireless.  It
 works for my personal devices.  I wouldn't consider using RouterOS
 6 on customer use gear, yet.  Not even when they are calling it the
 6th release candidate.  It's not a release candidate if you are
 still adding new features.  If you are still adding new features,
 it is an alpha release...

 I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench.  They aren't in
 the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter
 in the field.

 UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues.  At this price
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Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

[Brian Matthews]

As a former DN Employee that installed Sat. Internet, I couldn't see how 
they could compete with a large WISP.  When DN bought out Hughes and 
made it Dishnet, I asked the question to some of the senior people. Is 
this going to be like Wild Blue? Meaning, as the different spot beams 
fill up will it slow down to slow DSL? I still have yet to get an 
answer. In my opinion if all the wisps would stick together and form a 
large CO-OP. DN wouldn't have a chance in the wireless internet field.


Brian




On 12/27/2012 4:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
LOL Doug...I know I was a big DN proponent for quite some time...but 
their recent moves have left me with some food for thought.


I guess this is the whole reason we're planning FTTH...

Regards,
Chuck


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com 
mailto:d...@txox.com wrote:


This song comes to mind Chuck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST86JM1RPl0
/---Original Message---/
/*From:*/ Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com
/*Date:*/ 12/27/2012 2:30:37 PM
/*To:*/ WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
/*Subject:*/ Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us
Is anyone else worried that Google will also throw money into the
bowl for LTE with DN?  They have a good working relationship right
now...

Regards,
Chuck


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net
mailto:pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote:
Yes, we average a little over 3 per month.

Paul C Diem
pcd...@foxvalley.net

On 12/27/2012 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 3 per month?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net
wrote:

 We signed up as a DISH Network reseller back in 2010 when they were
 approaching WISP's. We've averaged around 3+ new DISH installs per
 month. Last month we received notice that we have not met their
minimum
 requirements and our reseller account will be terminated on 12/31.

 Our install volume is not huge because we mainly sell to our
new and
 existing and customers We have used their co-op marketing
program as
 well. Our old account manager would tell us our sales were
great. Our
 new account manager has been nothing but a pain. I can't
imagine they
 have much expense by maintaining us as a reseller.

 I know other WISP's became DISH resellers around that time. Has
anyone
 else been dropped as a reseller by DISH?
 --
 Paul C Diem
 pcd...@foxvalley.net

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!

[Brian Webster]

The rule as it stands now is 3 meg down and 768 up. The 4 meg down and 1 meg
up was something put in the National Broadband Plan by the white house team.
Problem with that is the National Broadband Map (of which was already spec'd
out when they wrote that plan) uses download speed tier breakouts of 3 and 6
meg and 768 and 1.5 meg. There will be no way to actually compute the 4 meg
1 meg rule unless they change the national broadband map AND they get all
carriers to revise their reporting. The rule is not really 4 meg and 1 meg
either, it's an aggregate to 5 meg, you could be doing 3 meg down and 2 up
and meet the standard. Remember that is currently just your advertised
maximum download and upload speed. Not all of your customers have to
subscribe to that. A WISP even using 900 MHz could limit those plans to say
only 1 to 5% of the customers on an AP and technically still be within the
rules.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!

At 11/30/2012 11:45 AM, Matt wrote:
  approach is used, you could comment that raising it from 768/200 to 
  4/1 is excessive, and perhaps say a 1.5/384 standard is more 
  appropriate.  Even Canopy 100 can probably claim that (if it's not
loaded), though YMMV.

Are you saying no one is providing service past 1.5/384 with Canopy 100?

I'm referring to the 900 MHz version with a 4 Mbps one-way burst rate.  That
won't pass the 4/1 test.


  --
  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein at ionary.com
  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!

[Brian Webster]

A WISP could also offer these speeds and raise the price for this plan to
account for the total number of regular speed clients they might lose due to
capacity issues with the higher speed plan. Nowhere do the rules state that
you have to offer those speeds at any given price.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
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www.Broadband-Mapping.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!

The rule as it stands now is 3 meg down and 768 up. The 4 meg down and 1 meg
up was something put in the National Broadband Plan by the white house team.
Problem with that is the National Broadband Map (of which was already spec'd
out when they wrote that plan) uses download speed tier breakouts of 3 and 6
meg and 768 and 1.5 meg. There will be no way to actually compute the 4 meg
1 meg rule unless they change the national broadband map AND they get all
carriers to revise their reporting. The rule is not really 4 meg and 1 meg
either, it's an aggregate to 5 meg, you could be doing 3 meg down and 2 up
and meet the standard. Remember that is currently just your advertised
maximum download and upload speed. Not all of your customers have to
subscribe to that. A WISP even using 900 MHz could limit those plans to say
only 1 to 5% of the customers on an AP and technically still be within the
rules.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!

At 11/30/2012 11:45 AM, Matt wrote:
  approach is used, you could comment that raising it from 768/200 to
  4/1 is excessive, and perhaps say a 1.5/384 standard is more 
  appropriate.  Even Canopy 100 can probably claim that (if it's not
loaded), though YMMV.

Are you saying no one is providing service past 1.5/384 with Canopy 100?

I'm referring to the 900 MHz version with a 4 Mbps one-way burst rate.  That
won't pass the 4/1 test.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!

[Brian Webster]

Rick,
It is important to note that generating a coverage map(s) on
Towercoverage.com does not create a map that is easily acceptable to the
state mapping agencies and it certainly cannot just be uploaded to the
national broadband map. There is a great deal of post processing work to
make any of those usable for the National Broadband map. The site does
export a nice list of tower sites and other data that is part of the
required information to be submitted. Some states may still not accept the
data from this site depending on the skills of their GIS and mapping
contractors. We do not want to mislead WISP's in to thinking that if they
sign up with that site that would all they need to do to supply mapping data
and participating on that site does not guarantee that their mapping data
will be included either.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
Telecom Project Coordinator
Partnership for Connected Illinois
(217) 886-4228 Main Number
(217) 886-4229 Direct Line
(217) 718-4546 Fax
http://www.BroadbandIllinois.org

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!

Fred,

I assure you the WISPA FCC Committee is indeed on this.  You make great
points and we appreciate your review. You are definitely correct, that WISPs
NEED to get on the National Broadband Map NOW!  Those that don't will be
suffering from subsidized competition.  Anyone who does not know who to
contact, drop me a line.  I have contacts now for all states.  Maybe, I can
get that list up on the WISPA website under WISP Resources.  There is one
now, but it is not complete.  I now have 4-5 names per state I believe.

The guys at towercoverage.com are making it easy and inexpensive to make
your maps and get them uploaded to the National/State Maps as well.  

Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:17 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!
 
 The FCC's home page ( transition.fcc.gov ) has an item about Connect
America
 Fund, posted with no description.  This turns out to be a further NPRM
about
 Phase I funding.
 
 As you may recall, CAF Phase I was the short-term (2012) step that 
 offered
 $775 per line to price-cap ILECs (the Bells and other big
 ones) to bring broadband to unserved areas that they otherwise
wouldn't. It
 was budgeted for $300M but only about $115M was claimed, mostly by 
 Frontier.  The Bells didn't take much.  CenturyLink however whined 
 that
the
 definition of served should be changed to specifically exclude areas
WISPs, so
 they could get subsidy money to overbuild existing WISPs.  The FCC 
 turned
that
 one down, though CenturyLink did take money for some other areas.
 
 The new Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking:

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db1119/FCC-12-
 138A1.pdf
 asks what to do about the remaining Phase I money.  While they could 
 of course just not spend it, lowering the USF tax (now around 17%!), 
 that's
not one
 of the two options they are proposing to select from.  One option is 
 to
simply
 add this funding to Phase II, which begins in 2013.  Phase II allows 
 for competition in the awarding of funds; there will be a reverse 
 auction, and
the
 bidder who asks for the least subsidy money gets it.
 
 Most of the FNPRM, however, is devoted to the other option, 
 essentially a second round of Phase I.  They propose changing Phase I 
 rules to encourage
the
 ILECs to take more money.  There are a lot of questions about details, 
 but
the
 basic ideas are along these lines:
 
 1)  Redefine unserved to be anywhere that doesn't have 4/1 service, vs.
 768k/200k in the first round.  This would be based on the National
Broadband
 Map, using 3M/768k as a surrogate for 4/1.  (The agencies apparently
hadn't
 agreed on speed tiers.)  So an area served by a WISP at 2M/500k, or by
Canopy
 100s, would be deemed unserved, since it's not 4/1.
 
 2)  Allow challenges to the national map.  So if an ILEC thinks an 
 area is unserved even if a WISP claims it's served, they can argue the 
 matter to
the
 FCC.  This works both ways, so I suppose an ISP could claim that the 
 map omitted them by mistake.  But it points out that a WISP SHOULD 
 MAKE SURE ITS COVERAGE AREAS ARE ON THE MAP!  (Just a little shouting 
 in case anyone didn't hear it.)
 
 They are supposed to come out with a list of unserved areas (census
 blocks0 next month.
 
 There are some other interesting details.  Phase I awards are $775 per

[WISPA] Hot Spot Pricing

[Brian Matthews]

Hello All,

I'm looking at putting is some Hot Spots.  I would like some information 
on pricing plans, ie per day, per hour etc. etc.

Thanks,
Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot / Internet Cafe billing management solution

[Brian Matthews]

On 11/3/2012 7:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
 I am working with a client who will be offering paid hotspot and PC
 workstation rental in a retail setting. I am looking for a billing and
 management solution to offer them.

 Some features they want:
 Counter sale to buy X minutes/hours in one setting, shut off when time is up
 Account based, we bill you for what you use (automatically to credit
 card, or deduct from account balance)
 Web filtering on per-user basis (restricted access for kids, less
 restricted for adults)
 Work station - charge for printing per page
 Work station - automatically reset to default configuration when
 session ends, if desired
 Work station - allow user to keep an existing user profile, save their
 documents, installed programs etc.

 I really have no idea what's available in this market - just starting
 to research it. Their budget is under $1000, they would be happier
 under $500. A per-seat license would be okay, this will be a fairly
 small installation.

 Thanks for your suggestions!

 Chris Fabien
 LakeNet LLC
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I would take a look at Azotel.  That is what I have employed and seems 
to be working very well. Tech support is second to none in this industry.
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[WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Brian Gray]

Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far
as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems
for us or the AM tower?

How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?

How do I ground my gear?

My initial thoughts are:

Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.
Run 1 metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
continue run from enclosure with 1 MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum
enclosure
run 2 3/4 MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25
to start with)
run 3 3/4 MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT
Rocket M2)
drill small weep holes in 3/4 runs as they will not be weather tight to
radios
run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.
Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables.
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and
just before router.
wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to
circuit panel
No clue on grounding this thing.

Thank you in advance!



Brian Gray

Joink LLC
Network Manager
812-231-7087 direct
812-870-3332 mobile

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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] FCC broadband deployment report

[Brian Webster]

The FCC report is based on round 4 data which would have been current as of
June 2011. If you just submitted the last round they did not use that data
for this report. This is the first report on broadband the FCC has done that
does not use the 477 data.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
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From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC broadband deployment report

Hi all,

Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems troubling to
me.  We submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and they
submitted our data for the national map.  However, this FCC broadband
deployment report includes this map which doesn't show our coverage.

Report: http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
Map: http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map

What gives???  WISPA???

Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?

Best regards,


Sean Heskett
ZIRKEL Wireless
High-speed Internet

www.zirkelwireless.com
970-871-8500

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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] RE: FCC broadband deployment report

[Brian Webster]

Rick,

Andrew is no longer with the NTIA. I took some time to
review this FCC report and can shed some light on what problems people are
seeing. First this data is compiled from round 4 which was current as of
June 2011. If anyone updated or provided data to their states this last
round, your data will not show in this report. Second, the data shown does
include fixed wireless service but not satellite or cellular. What they
appear to have done is create a merge of data. In the report they tried to
replicate the 4 meg down 1 meg up national broadband plan set as the
national goal. The national broadband map was created before the wonderful
people who wrote that report had the brilliant idea of defining something
that is not part of the map standards. Give that problem the FCC decided to
use the category of 3 meg or greater as the download speed and 768 or
greater as the upload speed. If any WISP has reported data in round 4 or
earlier that does not meet those speed tiers, it was not used in this
report.

As with any mapping and report it is very important to read
their methodology before throwing stones. I had to answer to some of our
research people in Illinois today because the FCC report says 6% unserved in
Illinois and my mapping data says 1%. Most of the difference is that we
calculated using just the download speed tier information and the FCC
further restricted areas they deemed served by adding in the 768 or greater
upload requirement. Some WISP's get bumped off the map because of the upload
requirements they used in their study.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: a...@afmug.com [mailto:a...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] RE: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

 

Andrew,  (Andrew MacRae from the NTIA is BCC'd)

 

There seems to be some discrepancy in the Colorado and Michigan Data.  Can
you assist as to why Wisp coverage is not represented?  Please read the
email below my signature line.  Also, here are some other comments from
other providers.

 

. Merrill, MI: Our coverage area is not displayed on that map. Is it
only including wireline providers?

 

. Jackson, MI:  My coverage update for the 2nd to last round is not
there, but the rest is. The map is for 3Meg svc. and up also.

 

. Steamboat Springs: If you hover over a county a popup chart on the
right shows up and displays the demographics for that county and % of
broadband that is Fiber, Cable, DSL, or fixed wireless.  both the counties
we serve show 0% fixed wireless.

 

. Yuma: wow, they have my area as covered as NON-Rural DSL and Cable
no wireless links at all..

I think someone fixed the books on this info. As its completely BS..

 

1. everything out here in our area is Rural..

2. No wireless listed at ALL ( there are 2 providers ourselves and the telco
to the south of us) 

3. The local cable company has only a handful of customers 

4. says that over 3500 folks in my county have NO internet.. Complete and
total BS.. This is farm country and I'd PAY to find more than 50 homes that
don't have internet.

 

Again.. the books have been cooked, thanks to either bad info or
competition.

 

 

Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Executive Director

WISPA

260-307-4000 cell

866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office

Skype: rick.harnish.

rharn...@wispa.org

adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)

 

 

 

 

 

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 Behalf Of Sean Heskett

 Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:29 PM

 To: wireless@wispa.org; a...@afmug.com; us...@wug.cc; color...@wispa.org

 Subject: [WISPA] FCC broadband deployment report

 

 Hi all,

 

 Sorry for all the cross posts on multiple lists but this seems troubling
to me.  We

 submitted our coverage data to the state of Colorado and they submitted
our

 data for the national map.  However, this FCC broadband deployment report

 includes this map which doesn't show our coverage.

 

 Report:  http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report
http://www.fcc.gov/reports/eighth-broadband-progress-report

 Map:  http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map
http://www.fcc.gov/maps/section-706-fixed-broadband-deployment-map

 

 What gives???  WISPA???

 

 Is anyone else noticing their coverage area is not included?

 

 Best regards,

 

 

 Sean Heskett

 ZIRKEL Wireless

 High-speed Internet

 

  http://www.zirkelwireless.com www.zirkelwireless.com

 970-871-8500

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Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

[Brian Webster]

It's an issue with the size of the file. Google Maps is only supposed to
support a file overlay size of up to 1 meg. This one is about 2.2 meg so
sometimes it does not act properly. And yes this file needs to be updated,
problem is it's going to make the file larger and probably break it.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

 

Working for me now.  Weird.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote:


Way out-dated..but it's good here too.

--- On Fri, 5/11/12, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:


From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:02 PM

 

Works for me
Regards,
Chuck



On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
http://mc/compose?to=rharn...@wispa.org  wrote:

Worked for me


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Yes.

On 05/11/2012 05:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Does this fail to load at all or completely for anyone else?

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

[Brian Webster]

The good thing about this band is that free space loss is your best friend
with regards to interference. Any use in this band to get an appreciable
amount of signal requires very narrow beamwidth antennas to keep the power
levels up to a point to overcome the attenuation through space. Couple those
tighter patterns with the fact that the signal falls off very rapidly in
free space and you have a greatly reduced opportunity for interference. I do
agree with you on the channel width that many people will waste capacity
only because they can.

Thank You,
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

Any way you look at it, the UBNT 24Ghz product is a game changer. Its
bringing a price point, that will mass excellerate the adoption of 24Ghz
use.
At that price, there are 1000s of uses.  Its very exciting. Its also a big
bonus that it is MIMO, which should give it a good link budget, compared to
the methods other technologies use to accommodate dual pol.

What I dont like about it is that it uses to much spectrum and is to fast,
which will cause parties to deploy faster speeds than they need, simply
because they can, and cause more interference in urban areas, and reduce the
number of links in an area. Often people incorrectly think that millimeter
is like inteference free. What they forget is the low range is based on Rain
fade, but when its not raining the signal goes very far, and reflections can
reflect all over the place, even though narrow beamwidth.

But there will still be a strong market for other products like SAF.  For
example, windloading and mounting.  I jsut bought a SAF radio for that
reason, where the 1ft dish option was preferred.
SAF also has 256QAM support, quite a bit more efficient than UBNT's 64QAM
limit, allowing high speed in smaller channels, allowing more radios to be
colocated at a single site.

I think UBNT's marketing is their typical overstated marketing.. Just like
AIRMAX 5.8 where they promote as 300mb, when in reallity Dual Pol 20Mhz
channels, the common size that can be used, yields more like between 40mb
and 80mb depending on link budget and noise floor.  So in doing apples to
apples comparisons, its important to take that into consideration. For
example, a 13mile link just isn't going to happen in my rain zone, but might
be doable in the desert.  With 2ft dishes, I dare not go over 2-1/4 miles,
and still prefer under 1.5m.

I believe the UBNT 24 product will also put a hurting on the 60Ghz market.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

[Brian Webster]

Wow, after watching the video you can really see the frustration these guys
had working for Motorola and the refusal to innovate. Knowing Motorola's
corporate attitudes, this does not surprise me at all. Kudo's to the UBNT
team for getting them to come over!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 

I got the impression that 24Ghz was good out to 2 miles.  How are they
reaching 15km with airFiber?  Awesome stuff, and a great video.
http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber 

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

2995 actually

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mar 23, 2012 12:17 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:


2999.00 per link! 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Zach Mann mailto:zma...@gmail.com 

Date: 3/23/2012 11:13:51 AM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 

Price range ?  :)

On Mar 23, 2012 12:06 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

700 mbps fdx, 1.4 Gig Agg

 

24Ghz

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: a...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirFiber Radio Pics

 

Nice.  Gig speeds ?

On Mar 23, 2012 12:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

[Brian Webster]

The remote reboot power strip does nothing for you if the GFCI outlet or
breaker has tripped, that needs to be reset unless it's an auto reset
device.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

Is there a remote power strip that can be activated by a cell phone?

 

i.e. 

strip  cell phone  pstn  my computer

 

Victoria Proffer

STLWiMAX, LLC http://www.stlwimax.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

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Behalf Of Ryan Ghering
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preventing stupid outages

 

We don't use them at towers, but I have here at home auto resetting GFCI
outlets for my 
Saltwater reef tank. Got them from Home Depot.. They reset automatically
after a few mins..

Ryan

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

You have to have GFCI outlets indoors?  I've never heard of that
regulation before.

A few thoughts come to mind:

* Battery backup with 2 or so hours of run time along with a remote page
for a power outage.  Doesn't prevent you from having to dispatch but it
keeps you from having an outage.

* Re-check code?  I don't understand why you need a GFCI outlet inside
your shack.You don't have a sink or other water nearby.  I don't
have GFCI outlets in my office.  Maybe I'm missing something here.

If you are mounting an outdoor NEMA box with your equipment and just
plugging into a GFCI then maybe you can figure out some way to get a
hardwire into the box rather than plugging into an outside GFCI?


On 3/16/12 9:04 AM, Troy Settle wrote:
 Ok, so to keep to code, we have a GFCI outlet for most of our towers.
 One of them tripped last night, causing me to have to put on some 80
 miles just to push a button (yes, it could have been much worse).

 Is there anything to prevent stupid outages like this from happening
 without violating code?

 Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Brian Webster]

www.airspaceusa.com is another good consulting firm that can do a study for
around $200. If this is listed as an FAA public airport definitely do a
study. If it is not in their database as a public strip but rather a private
one, you do not have to file. You can certainly do a quick check on the FCC
site tool but that is going to be conservative. Depending on how you file
with the FAA and any surveyor certifications, the FAA office conducting the
study will add up to an additional 50ft height margin of error to see if it
violates any airspace approach patterns for that strip or any others nearby.
If you submit a 2C certification letter they still add 20ft height, a 1A
certification letter only adds 3ft height margin of error by the FAA office.
For a site that close to an affected strip, that extra 47 feet of allowable
height can make a big difference. These are reasons why it's good to pay a
consultant to advise you on these points.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

 

There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ )
that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting
companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety analysis
on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every penny. The
last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause some kind
of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit properly, or
you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives including your
own.

 

Cameron

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The
NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only
takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do,
fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


- Original Message -
From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport



 I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
 path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
 clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
 into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
 close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
 yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
 all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
 issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
 airport.

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Re: [WISPA] It's all over but the screaming! Light Speed is done for!

[Brian Webster]

Very glad to see that science actually beat politics this time. That does
not happen very often these days, although I doubt this is the last we will
hear of lightsquared...

 

Brian

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] It's all over but the screaming! Light Speed is done for!

 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/happy-valentines-day-us-gove
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Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[Brian Webster]

Tom,

I have sat in on planning these networks with Time Warner
and Comcast. The way they are building these versions they will work for
their purposes. Trust me I have built a couple of large scale muni networks
J In regards to the mounting issues, so long as they have above ground
outside plant life will be good for them. These nodes mount on the suspended
messenger wire, not the poles. That means they can just attach them to their
existing lines. I'm not saying that it will be easy but it's much easier
than someone else trying to build given the fact that they already occupy
the space on said poles. They are also planning to ink deals with local
businesses to mount nodes when necessary. Since they will be wiring every
node to their network for backhaul, there is no requirement for any wireless
meshing, just connectivity to the client device. They do not necessarily
plan to have a contiguous network market wide, just where there are likely
to be high concentrations of users. This also not meant to be a network that
will hand off connections from node to node at highway speeds. They are
assuming a relatively stationary user of the system. 

 

This whole design philosophy is quite different from the
muni Wi-Fi networks most of us think about. The real reason they are
building these is to keep customer churn down by offering existing broadband
and video customers a free mobility component in areas they are likely to
need it. I would expect they will also later ink some roaming deals will
cellular carriers but that is not on their initial radar as of now. They
will be using nodes that have smart channel selection capability which will
pick the quietest channel. In some cases there are also plans to include the
5 gig spectrum as consumer devices are now showing up on the market capable
of using both bands.

 

I would not be so quick to dismiss this iteration of outdoor
Wi-Fi. It's coming; they have combined an extra 3.5 billion dollars they
just received from selling spectrum to Verizon. They are hiring plenty of
skill to build this properly and/or fix issues that arise. It's change and
it's coming. There is enough at stake to have to make this work. Cellular
needs a successful deployment strategy for outdoor Wi-Fi to work as well for
their offload needs. The manufacturers have a lot of radios they want to
sell so they have to make it work now. Outdoor Wi-Fi will not go away now,
you can take that bet to the bank. You may not like or want that to happen
but it's going to just the same.

 

When people say it can't happen I just remind myself of how
many times I have said that over my wireless career and how many times I was
proven wrong. Heck just a few months ago people were complaining that the
spectral mask in TVWS was not going to allow for any reasonable speed
offerings, yet now all of the sudden we have manufacturers coming up with
designs that work. Everything changes and they change faster when more money
is at stake.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:46 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

 

Yes, a typical tactic for the sole purpose to destroy the RF environment,
and scare high ARPU businesses and investors from trusting third party
unlicensed wireless providers solutions.

Its all about fear factor. 

But Just like any other large scale MUNI network, it wont work, and will be
to costly to maintain, and the bad press will incourage the Cable Cos to
shut down the networks instead of continueing to damage their brand's
reputation as a quality high speed resildential provider. They can plan to
deploy 10,000 nodes, but planning has no value if there is no where to
put/mount them.  Maybe they could mount them inside people's homes :-)
Surely, they aren't going to work mounted on their tiny green 2ft pedestals
on every corner.  Surely, they aren't going to pay landlords $200/month each
to mount on 10,000 commercial building roofs. What they more likely would do
is go put in Wifi access points into the communities that they do not want
to dig up the streets and bring cable to, that the City/states are trying to
force them to do with cable, leveraging the franchise agreement
renegotiations. A  attitude like, get off my back, why spend $5000 to dig,
when I can spend $200 on an access point and pretend we serve everyone, and
make it a play on all the lobbying WISPs did to say, wireless is good
enough for WISPs,  so it must also be good enough for Cable Cos. I could
easilly see Comcast applying for USF, and using Wireless combined with
Cable.

 

Time Warner is planning I believe around 10,000 node in the LA market this
year and after they get that market proven, they plan on rolling out
nationwide in their markets

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[Brian Webster]

With 10 to 18,000 nodes in a cable citywide deployment you will not have
enough spectrum to do that. These new deployments are hard wiring every node
to their infrastructure either DOCSIS or fiber. The feature of that is just
that your footprint to the end user gets smaller with more interference,
your backhaul does not get bothered. Whoever can still connect in the face
of interference can still move traffic. New consumer devices with Wi-Fi are
being built to use BOTH 2.4 and 5GHz bands. 

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying
BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use
antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal
and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is
100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a huge selling
point for us in competing with the ILEC and cable company!

On 01/27/2012 03:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[Brian Webster]

It's not just the cellular industry. Comcast is deploying 18,000 outdoor
wi-fi nodes this year and giving that service for free to their customers to
keep them happy in a mobile environment and reduce churn. Time Warner is
planning I believe around 10,000 node in the LA market this year and after
they get that market proven, they plan on rolling out nationwide in their
markets. The networks are specifically being designed for tablets and wi-fi
enabled phones in a nomadic but not seamless mobile environment. Being that
the cable companies who sold spectrum to Verizon for 3.5 billion dollars,
they are using some of that money for these deployments.

 

For those in those metro markets, these carriers are planning both 2.4 and 5
GHz dual mode radios.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 12:00 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org w; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

 

In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi,
telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its
high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told
GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless
vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive
cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more
generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech...

http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-bu
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Re: [WISPA] Future of WiFi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

[Brian Webster]

John,
I think this will happen faster than you predict. With the Lucent
light radio being software defined the technology already exists to do this.
Carrier engineering departments are just a bit slow to change. Carriers have
to look at the Pico cell design to increase capacity by more frequency reuse
in smaller footprints. Their challenge right know as you suggest if the
fiber to the pole infrastructure to serve these Pico cells. To a certain
extent they can do this now with the cable companies. These Bellaire radios
have docsis modems built right in and they are working on power over coax to
run the node radios. It's not a big stretch to change out the Wi-Fi radio
with an LTE Pico radio at all. You are spot on with your understanding of
how things will evolve. Technically it's a no brainer. The interesting part
will be the business models, partnerships and/or roaming type agreements.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir,
betting on Wi-Fi

Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of
Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise
generally licensed zealots of the mobile world:

The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to
the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out
using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will
develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin
than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents.
Cellcos, cablecos, etc.
will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE
pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing
the disadvantages from either platform for their needs.

I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile
wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game.
Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home
operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access
Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With
an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for
customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the
terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the
homes.

I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my
crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and
be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so
far offor not!:-)
John Scrivner




On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about 
 Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, 
 adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its 
 portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in 
 the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored 
 their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet 
 growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi
tech...

 http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-netwo
 rks-buy/

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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

[Brian Webster]

Reminds me of an old saying,

The successful man is one who can make more money than his wife can spend
The successful woman is the one who can find that man!

 

Brian

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

 


I would say that 99% of all the absolute Beautiful women in the world would
take a man that has lots of money

over anything else.  Money even makes UGLY good looking!! Money is King!


 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Gary Garrett mailto:ggarr...@nidaho.net 

Date: 1/18/2012 10:10:43 PM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

 

I figured it out by lurking on Match.com,  
All the Chicks want younger guys,  any car will do.







By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red convertible that I
bought doesn't seem to be helping me get any chicks? 

jack



 

 




 

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Re: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.

[Brian Webster]

Here is a table that shows what the household density is for WISP only
service areas as compared to state density. Most cable and DSL deployments
are at a minimum of 1000 households per square mile.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
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www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] population density map for Washington.

This is very interesting.

http://wabroadbandmapping.org/PDF/Statewide/Population_Density_2010.pdf

I'm in Lincoln Co.  Us and Douglas probably have the lowest population
density in the entire state.

I'd love to compare that to a state like Vermont or something.  People like
to talk about rural access.  Man, I can tell you *all* about rural access!

grin
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Re: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference

[Brian Webster]

With the price of cordless phones now days and the cost of your customer
support time, I would just buy them a new phone. If you get a DECT 6.0
version you are certain not to have problems. Those are used exclusively in
the guard bands around the 1800 MHz PCS frequencies and are set aside
specifically for cordless phones only. It's also fairly cheap to get a multi
extension set.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cordless Phone Ring Interference

I have a customer that has determined that every time the phone rings, the
Internet goes down.  Once the phone is answered, the Internet works.  We are
using 2.4GHz to the house, with an integrated Arc panel on the roof.
The customer has checked and the phone does not have a channel selection
button.
Anyone have suggestions as to how to get the phone to not kill the wireless
link?

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Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

[Brian Webster]

You can also use the national broadband map and find out who offers service
there. They may not be able to give you 100 meg but I would bet they know
who can.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

Peruse the carrier maps and see what's in your area. I would love it if
someone asked me for 100 megs.

Check www.telecomramblings.com for links to maps.

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On 11/7/2011 10:22 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote:
 How do I go about finding a bandwidth provider? I have been tasked to 
 find 100Megs of Internet and have exhausted all the options I know.
 What I have done so far is contact other ISP's in the area and asked 
 them if they can get me Internet. So far everybody has said no because 
 they can figure out a way to deliver it.

 So what I am asking what are some other avenues that I can explore to 
 get bandwidth to this location? Generic advise is fine as I may have 
 to do this once more for another site.

 I am purposely not saying the address on a public list but if that 
 will help I can let you know off list.

 Thanks,
   _
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Brian Webster]

One major factor you have to consider for Verizon and FIOs is the union
problem. Verizon had established specialized teams to deploy fiber and were
moving along at or ahead of schedule and budgets. The teams would go to the
new areas and stay to get the work done. Then the union stepped up and filed
grievances stating it was taking work away from the local guys. Short story
is the union won out, now they have to deploy with people who have no
incentive to hurry up and get the work done so they can go back home to
their families. I think this is why you have seen them slow down. The union
is the most counterproductive aspect of Verizon, even the employees who are
non-union know this. The wireless division refuses to unionize, that should
tell you something.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

At 10/27/2011 03:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It makes it easier to increase your penetration percentage when you 
sell off what you don't intend on putting fiber in.

Worse.  They sold off what they could of that plant where they didn't intend
to put in fiber.  But they couldn't sell it all.  So they're going to nurse
the old copper plant along for the foreseeable future.  In some areas it'll
be all they have; in other areas, where there is FiOS, its penetration isn't
all that high anyway.


  --
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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Brian Webster]

But what did you know right Cameron? The arrogance and ignorance of carriers
still never ceases to amaze me. Most times it is due to the fact that the
person in that position of network design authority, who should already know
those answers, simply does not and feel like they need to draw the line in
the sand and make it seem like they know more than the consultant, otherwise
they fear their bosses will question their value to the organization...

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

 

That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity
came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part
in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different
countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They
quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage
meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like
with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with
CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban
morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate
near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more
area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least
initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a
waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play,
then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it
yet. It was  tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint
first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage
was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to
add 25% more sites after turning the network up. 

 

Cameron

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have
so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.

In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of
intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with
very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels.
(and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to
be able to talk to it)

Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may
have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network, may
have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the
equipment inside is different TOE.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


- Original Message -
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie



I have a dissenting opinion...

It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
effectively provide broadband.

 A cellular network is built for coverage

 Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective,
 will tend to put the same equipment everywhere

 What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the
 tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway
 where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment and
 capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous
 users

 So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base station
 have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage
 requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity

 In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP and
 putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers aren't
 affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is found money --
 self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower
 with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor

 -Charles

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[WISPA] Old time technology for pulling fiber

[Brian Webster]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/us-vermont-internet-idUSTRE75R6Y72
0110628

 

This is a great idea!

 

Thank You,

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WISPA National Disaster Committee - Seeking Volunteers

[Brian Webster]

Victoria,

I have made this suggestion a couple of times to various
members of the board over the years and I will do it again. In the days
following hurricane Katrina members of WISPA discovered how difficult it is
to help in disasters when you are not part of a recognized group in the
emergency management system. Many WISP's are also Amateur Radio operators
(hams's). This group is recognized by both the FCC and emergency management
agencies as a participating agency and has memorandums of understanding in
place with non-governmental organizations (NGO's) such as the Salvation Army
and the Red Cross through their national organization call the American
Radio Relay League (ARRL www.arrl.org) . This group of people typically
belong to the Amateur Radio Emergency Services (ARES) and/or the Radio
Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES). They are trained in providing
disaster communications and are an integral part of the Incident Command
System. They have a national training program and a full-fledged field
organization nationwide. 

I would recommend that WISPA establish a memorandum of
understanding with the ARRL and do our best to integrate disaster efforts
outside of helping individual WISP companies. Being able to establish
internet and/or point to point Ethernet connectivity is very important after
a disaster. WISP's can quickly do this. Being part of a recognized
organization will help eliminate the problems associated with trying to do
so in a disaster area.

 

I will help with this committee, you should reach out to the
ham wisp list that was created to see who else from that group would like to
participate.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Victoria Proffer
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:05 AM
To: 'Principal WISPA Member List'; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA Members] WISPA National Disaster Committee - Seeking
Volunteers

 

The mid-west and east coast have taken several tornado beatings over the
last few weeks, as well as we have seen extensive flooding in the mid-west.

I would say, it is just Spring, but I have never seen a Spring this
devastating.

 

A few weeks ago, at our in-person board meeting, we voted to form a National
Disaster Committee; which passed unanimously.  

 

During this last 'epidemic' storm, I contacted WISPA State Coordinators to
assist, if there was any significant damage in their areas.  

Fortunately, we are not hearing of any major damage from our members, with
the exception of Hudson Technology Solutions, that lost a tower in El Reno,
OK.

 

I was in touch with State Coordinators over the last few days, in the event
that more WISPA members could have  been affected.  

I was also in touch with the Missouri WISPA members regarding help for a
'downed' WISP in Joplin, MO.   

 

I was impressed with our WISPA members that volunteered to help in the event
of touchdowns in KS, MO and OK:

 

.Airlink Internet - OK

.BPS Telephone - MO

.Computers  Tele-Comm, Inc. -MO/KS

.Mark Twain Telephone - MO 

.Mercury Communications and Construction - MO

.WISPERS ISP - IL

 

The WISPA National Disaster Committee will create procedures of dealing with
disasters when they affect our members and associated areas.   

With the way that Spring of 2011 is lining up, I believe it is important to
establish this committee ASAP.

 

 

Please contact me to volunteer for this committee.

 

Thanks!

Victoria Proffer 

President/CEO

St. Louis Broadband, LLC http://stlbroadband.com/ 

314-974-5600

 

 http://wispa.org/ Wispa_logo+slogan2008SM 2010 - 2011 Board of
Directors

Committee Chairs - Bylaws | National Disaster | State Coordinators |Missouri
State Coordinator

 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Brian Webster]

I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

 

One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative
on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477
form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with
our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
unable to tell us when the law went into effect, or which piece of
legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for
this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know.

Regards,

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[WISPA] Paetec drives Ethernet-over-copper to 100 Mb/s

[Brian Webster]

http://connectedplanetonline.com/business_services/news/paetec-drives-copper
-over-ethernet-to-100mbs-0503/

 

I wonder if this will help anyone with transport or backhaul costs.

 

Thank You,

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Re: [Wisp] Thanks to those concerned

[Brian Webster]

Also keep in mind you may be able to help responding agencies with their own
radio connectivity. Many emergency responder agencies now have radio over IP
boxed systems they can use. Sometimes it's self-contained and sometimes they
use Ethernet connectivity to place multiple transmitters over larger
geographic areas. Once your network is functioning make contact with your
local emergency operations center and let them know you can provide
bandwidth.

 

John, as a ham I am sure you already have contacts with the proper people or
can get introduced quickly.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB Jay
Weekley
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Rick Harnish; WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List;
motor...@afmug.com
Cc: motor...@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [Motorola II] Re: [Wisp] [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

 

 

Wow, John, I can't imagine.  I understand there is damage VERY SIMILAR to
that in Huntsville around our tower site up there but our net admin for
Huntsville (Alex Dumas) was inbetween the damage.  His house is fine, but
damage very close by going any direction.

Jerry Head (from Blount County, works with us and is my partner in
Huntsville) is a tower climber and Alex climbs too. Why am I talking about
tower climbing...I have no idea.  Your network sounds about as good as ours
(except we lost our main tower in the Cullman tornado).  I'm more concerned
about Marlon - what is his condition and his family's condition?

I think I was going to offer help to you once we got our stuff back up and
running - but you're in the same boat we are - debating about how important
it is to power up our sites when our customers have no power.  Hard to know
if anything else is problematic under these circimstances.  I

I talked to my grandparents this evening and heard their power actually went
out about 30 minutes after the Cullman tornado (they are on the north side
of the county, closer to a northern substation and should not have been
affected by the downtown cullman trauma in infrastructure) - i understand
their power went out (and thus the TVA outage affecting all of north
alabama) about 30 minutes after the tornado took us down downtown

Keep in touch ; it sounds like network damage on your end isn't near as
profound as the human damage.

Thanks and be well

-jay fuller

 

 


On Thu Apr 28 21:37 , 'Rick Harnish' rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

John,

Thanks for the update. Good to hear your network is in good shape, but very
sad to hear your description of the deaths and destruction. Keep us posted.

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
javascript:top.opencompose('wireless-boun...@wispa.org','','','1')
[wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:top.opencompose('%3ca%20href=
','','','1')wireless-boun...@wispa.org
javascript:top.opencompose('wireless-boun...@wispa.org','','','1') ] On
 Behalf Of John McDowell
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: Principal WISPA Member List; WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
javascript:top.opencompose('motor...@afmug.com','','','1') 
 Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
 
 Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these
 lists, was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went
 by there today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half
 mile in each direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the
 road some people were found dead lying in a church parking lot and
 nearby field. A Sara Lee truck pulled up today in a small town called
 Henagar at the 4 way stop, opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've
 thought it was a third world country watching the people rush to get
 bread.
 
 Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites
 today, all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the
 cabinet but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.
 
 We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
 power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going
 to come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging
 from the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage
 lines have been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the
 county.
 
 Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of
 assistance I will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with
 all my employees tending to their families. Water has been cut off in
 most homes across the county. Its almost unbelievable what is
 transpiring. It could get ugly quick.
 
 Regards,
 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932 Office
 j...@boonlink.com
javascript:top.opencompose('j...@boonlink.com','','','1') 
 www.boonlink.com
 
 
 
 This message contains information which may be confidential

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [Wisp] Thanks to those concerned

[Brian Webster]

Jay, John;

After having participated in the Katrina effort with WISPA I
would imagine that getting your networks up and running and then helping
people like FEMA and the Insurance companies will help a great deal in
assisting those who have lost everything in getting claims filed and paid to
start the recovery process. So much is done on line now that the internet
connectivity is very important even if it's in a tent full of computers like
we set up in Mississippi. I believe NetSapiens also offered to set up some
phone support. Depending on how long it takes to get phone and cell service
back up VOIP services can be the quickest way to set up phone service.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of CBB Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 1:05 AM
To: Rick Harnish; WISPA General List; Principal WISPA Member List;
motor...@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Wisp] [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

 

 

Wow, John, I can't imagine.  I understand there is damage VERY SIMILAR to
that in Huntsville around our tower site up there but our net admin for
Huntsville (Alex Dumas) was inbetween the damage.  His house is fine, but
damage very close by going any direction.

Jerry Head (from Blount County, works with us and is my partner in
Huntsville) is a tower climber and Alex climbs too. Why am I talking about
tower climbing...I have no idea.  Your network sounds about as good as ours
(except we lost our main tower in the Cullman tornado).  I'm more concerned
about Marlon - what is his condition and his family's condition?

I think I was going to offer help to you once we got our stuff back up and
running - but you're in the same boat we are - debating about how important
it is to power up our sites when our customers have no power.  Hard to know
if anything else is problematic under these circimstances.  I

I talked to my grandparents this evening and heard their power actually went
out about 30 minutes after the Cullman tornado (they are on the north side
of the county, closer to a northern substation and should not have been
affected by the downtown cullman trauma in infrastructure) - i understand
their power went out (and thus the TVA outage affecting all of north
alabama) about 30 minutes after the tornado took us down downtown

Keep in touch ; it sounds like network damage on your end isn't near as
profound as the human damage.

Thanks and be well

-jay fuller

 

 


On Thu Apr 28 21:37 , 'Rick Harnish' rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

John,

Thanks for the update. Good to hear your network is in good shape, but very
sad to hear your description of the deaths and destruction. Keep us posted.

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
javascript:top.opencompose('wireless-boun...@wispa.org','','','1')
[wireless-boun...@wispa.org javascript:top.opencompose('%3ca%20href=
','','','1')wireless-boun...@wispa.org
javascript:top.opencompose('wireless-boun...@wispa.org','','','1') ] On
 Behalf Of John McDowell
 Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: Principal WISPA Member List; WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
javascript:top.opencompose('motor...@afmug.com','','','1') 
 Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned
 
 Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these
 lists, was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went
 by there today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half
 mile in each direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the
 road some people were found dead lying in a church parking lot and
 nearby field. A Sara Lee truck pulled up today in a small town called
 Henagar at the 4 way stop, opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've
 thought it was a third world country watching the people rush to get
 bread.
 
 Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites
 today, all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the
 cabinet but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.
 
 We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
 power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going
 to come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging
 from the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage
 lines have been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the
 county.
 
 Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of
 assistance I will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with
 all my employees tending to their families. Water has been cut off in
 most homes across the county. Its almost unbelievable what is
 transpiring. It could get ugly quick.
 
 Regards,
 
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932 Office
 j...@boonlink.com

Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

[Brian Webster]

I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like more
efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he uses as
well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would give you a
consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual land has to deal
with mother nature and a shorter growing period. These pods can constantly
grow plants and stagger the age of the seedlings to give a consistent yield
on a daily or weekly basis thus giving you and constant availability of
product and not have to deal with the problem of in season or the massive
increase in shipping costs to bring product that is desired from areas that
do have an active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is
not just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders with
their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue stream if they
keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer be bad years
because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!

Brian

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

Matt, are you around?

This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would otherwise
be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource efficient.  However,
I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in yield vs. conventional
farming.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the
guy some credit...

 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

[Brian Webster]

Your definition of small is huge by NY dairy farm standards. Most around
here have between 100 and 300 acres. These small farms could do well by
supplementing their dairy product with some of these produce pods. There is
a decent demand for specialty foods in relatively small quantities as
compared to what you are used to. I do not know how well it would scale for
the volume of what you are describing. I would imagine the biggest challenge
would be the harvesting process and how much labor it would involve as
compared to the mechanized methods in use today. The idea of producing a
significant portion of consumer foods at points near or nearer to the point
of consumption has merit, plus as well all know distributed production does
not leave one as vulnerable to shortages and/or price fixing.

Thank You,
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Cooperstown, NY 13326
(607) 643-4055 Office
(607) 435-3988 Mobile
(208) 692-1898 Fax
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

*nods*  I come from a relatively small farm (2500 acres, 2400 pigs, 2 dozen
cattle).  Being a technologist I am always curious as to advancements in
production efficiency.

I do wonder about the cost effectiveness of this model and how well it can
scale (within a given crop and to other crops).  Can we get the almost 500k
bushels of corn and soybeans we get now from 18 containers?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 4/16/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like 
 more efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he 
 uses as well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would 
 give you a consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual 
 land has to deal with mother nature and a shorter growing period. 
 These pods can constantly grow plants and stagger the age of the 
 seedlings to give a consistent yield on a daily or weekly basis thus 
 giving you and constant availability of product and not have to deal 
 with the problem of in season or the massive increase in shipping 
 costs to bring product that is desired from areas that do have an 
 active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is not 
 just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders 
 with their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue 
 stream if they keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer
be bad years because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!

 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would 
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource 
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in 
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give 
 the
 guy some credit...
 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included

[Brian Webster]

I don’t have an easy way to plot circles around Canadian zip codes. What I
would need is some sort of coverage polygon. If you can create one in Google
Earth or is you have a shape file or other GIS formatted polygon I can use
those as well. I am more than happy to add the Canadian coverage’s.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Aaron Remer [mailto:aa...@acces.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:54 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List';
motor...@afmug.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP
Footprint - WISPA principal members included

 

When are you going to show our footprints as well?

 

Let us know what to do

 

 

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From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Brian Webster
Sent: April-14-11 9:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA Members] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -
WISPA principal members included

 

I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National
Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins
that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to
click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact
information along with web site links if they exist.

 

http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm

 

Thank You,

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Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -WISPA principal members included

[Brian Webster]

The pushpins are only WISPA principal members. This was something Rick
compiled a while ago. I do not have a full list of WISP's and their
addresses out of the directory site. Matt only provides me with a list of
zip codes.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis Burgess [mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:53 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint
-WISPA principal members included

Why is this not showing all WISPS that have put in zip codes?

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: April 14, 2011 9:56 PM
To: 'Chuck Hogg'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint
-WISPA principal members included

These are a combination of various coverage maps plus the zip codes
listed by each WISP voluntarily in the WISP Directory site. If you have
more zip codes you service you should log in to your account and add
then to the directory. I get a zip code export from there when I do
updates.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:28 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -
WISPA principal members included

Are these just zip code circles?  I've got a lot more zip codes to give
you.

Regards,

Chuck



On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
 I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National 
 Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members 
 pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with 
 the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company 
 name and contact information along with web site links if they exist.



 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm



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[WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included

[Brian Webster]

I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National
Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members pushpins
that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with the ability to
click on the pin and get a popup window with company name and contact
information along with web site links if they exist.

 

http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 




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Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint - WISPA principal members included

[Brian Webster]

These are a combination of various coverage maps plus the zip codes listed
by each WISP voluntarily in the WISP Directory site. If you have more zip
codes you service you should log in to your account and add then to the
directory. I get a zip code export from there when I do updates.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:28 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Updated Google Maps Version of the WISP Footprint -
WISPA principal members included

Are these just zip code circles?  I've got a lot more zip codes to give you.

Regards,

Chuck



On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
 I had a chance to update the Google Maps version of the WISP National 
 Footprint. This time I did a mashup of the WISPA principal members 
 pushpins that Rick had created. The map now shows WISP pushpins with 
 the ability to click on the pin and get a popup window with company 
 name and contact information along with web site links if they exist.



 http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm



 Thank You,

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 www.Broadband-Mapping.com




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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Brian Webster]

I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to
deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that
needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are
bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain
competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true
Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over
all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in
the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing
and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it
seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded
other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans
that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain
continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and
replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also
need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show
that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is
throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range

That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it
side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
big file via FTP or whatever.
It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

~V~

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
router on phone

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all

to yourself.

I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
the big antenna outside.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW


 It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW

 most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one
 direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
 then the customer upload).

 Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
 have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
 the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
 totally different ;)

 Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
 interface when the test is running...

 Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla  Speedtest.net test are
 bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
 algorithms.

 On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote:

 Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at
 Speedtest.Net to my handset



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[WISPA] Carlson TVWS Article in Urgent Communications Magazine today with Video Showing the WISPA Banner at the California WISP meeting

[Brian Webster]

http://urgentcomm.com/mobile_data/news/software-defined-radio-rural-broadban
d-20110323/#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUAuyGTK4k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCUAuyGTK4kfeature=player_embedded#at=86
feature=player_embedded#at=86

 

 

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[WISPA] Tom DeReggi's testimony is on the web with the WISP map

[Brian Webster]

Yesterday Tom DeReggi testified in front of the house subcommittee on
Communications and Technology regarding Net Neutrality. I had provided him
with a map and data that a WISPA team used the week before at meetings with
the FCC. Tom used this map and information in his submitted testimony and it
is now on the public record along with the Ex Parte filing from our FCC
visit. The interesting thing is that I picked this link up through a Google
Alert for Wirelessmapping.com today. That fact that the WISP industry can
reach over 75 million homes is becoming well known. 

 

http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/Hearings/Telecom/0309
11/DeReggi.pdf

 

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Re: [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements

[Brian Webster]

At minimum it needs to have the tower ASR registration number and emergency
contact phone number. It needs to be posted where it is visible at the point
where the public has the closest access. If there is a locked gate near the
road the sign needs to be there and not only at the tower. 

 

http://wireless.fcc.gov/antenna/index.htm?job=about_posting

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ASR Sign Requirements

 

I own a registered tower site that I bought from another ASR registrant. We
have made all needed changes to the ASR records online showing proper
ownership information. We still need to prepare the physical sign required
at the location. I cannot seem to find the page on the ASR site that
describes the requirements of the sign at the registered tower location. Can
anyone send me the link to this information or even forward a doc with this
data? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

[Brian Webster]

I agree with Fred. It's not about the number of clients that causes the
problem. The physical separation of the radios is probably the key factor in
the increased performance. Putting multiple radios with possibly leaky
pigtails inside the same enclosure can introduce opportunities for
self-interference by near field RF energies and mixing products. Unless an
enclosure have been specifically designed, tested and built for that
particular combination or radios and cable routing, there is no telling how
it may or may not perform. Adding more radios to the MT just compounds the
problem. Having the RF section outside the MT box is never a bad idea to
avoid this phenomenon. 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM
To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic

At 2/14/2011 08:50 AM, OptimumWS wrote:
Hello.

Thought I share this with the list.

I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his 
radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, 
similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He was explaining 
that he finds the bullets outperforms the ubiquiti radios on the MT by 
far. His
explanation:

The reason why bullets outperfoms the radios intalled on a router 
board is because of the pigtail used from the radio to the antenna. 
This pigtail works like a electricity cable in that the thicker the 
cable the more current is able to pass through so, the mikrotik 
pigtails are way too thin. When there is a certain number of clients 
connected to that radio the pigtail saturates the radio traffic because 
of the 'high traffic or current passing through the pigtail' and as a 
result; links between clients and ap can be slow and performance 
decreases. Now, the bullets do not have any pigtail or other connector 
and thats a reason why links with bullets are more stable and performs 
better than having a routerboard and radios with pigtails.

What you guys think of his logic?

Note:
Posted this on dslreports wisp mainling list as well so, for those also 
registered to that list: sorry for the double posts.

This was discussed on some vendor forums too, I think UBNTs.

Most pigtails shipped with radios are too cheap for their own good.  They
are not properly shielded.  Some WISPs have found that they can put more
radios on a tower if they use better pigtails, which they either make
themselves or hand-select (one person found that Laird pigtails were
sometimes good, but not all of them).

Pigtails can be lossy, reducing effective antenna gain, and can leak, which
makes it susceptible to local interference. This has nothing to do with the
number of clients, though.  That's just silly.


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

[Brian Webster]

One suggestion to get the word out about this problem would be to get press
releases and journalists from the IT magazine industries involved. IT types
who just throw up a link or two probably don't even know how to spell WISPA
or TDWR.



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Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes
needed

On 2/9/2011 9:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys, and
a
 nasty fine for repeat offenders.
jau Joint FAA/FCC Enforcement teams have been out for a long time but this
is 
a VERY costly solution and likely not sustainable in this era of shrinking 
budgets. That's why it's better to solve this problem before enforcement
becomes 
the option of (costly) last resort. WISPA has suggested to the FCC that they

better PUBLICIZE enforcement actions and they are considering that.
 After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done right
 this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of
 spectrum while not bothering anyone else?
jau This is much more difficult that it sounds. The wireless industry has
been 
working for over a year (manufacturers, chip makers, etc.) to do this and
has so 
far been unable to come up with an acceptable technical solution. The effort
is 
on hold at the moment.
 The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect.
jau They are not so easy to detect. New radar waveforms come into use.
Radars 
go on and off-line. Wireless systems can't sit around all day just
listening; 
they have real world traffic to handle. Again, the best minds in the
industry 
have so far failed to figure out an acceptable solution.
 The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio name,
 signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc.  Certainly any
 radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR
signal
 at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could
 then lock out the needed channels for that particular location.
jau You are more than welcome to volunteer to join the wireless Industry 
Group engineering team that has been addressing this issue for the last
year. 
I'll be happy to introduce you to the team leader so you can sign up to 
contribute your engineering advice.
 This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or new
 hardware out there.
jau Well, the manufacturers are not stepping up to develop new firmware.
This 
is one of the frustrations that the FCC feels.
 Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz of
 newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country.
jauI would welcome your help to reach out to and motivate the
manufacturers to 
do this. Let me know when you are ready to start your outreach program.
 A quick note on PR.  The operator(s) there has run foot loose and fancy
free
 with the rules for as long as I can remember.  Perhaps it's time to fine
 them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business?  Kind of a
3
 strikes your out thing.
jau Yep. Sounds right.

jack

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com
 To:memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 1:47 PM
 Subject: [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed



 In spite of the noteworthy efforts on the part of many WISP operators and
in
 spite of a temporary decrease in the levels of TDWR interference reported
to
 us
 by the FCC, the TDWR interference situation has unfortunately
deteriorated.
 The
 FCC now reports that some locations (New York, Chicago, Denver and Dallas)
 that
 were recently cleared of interference are once again experiencing
 significant
 interference problems. The TDWR interference in San Juan Puerto Rico is so
 bad
 that the TDWR system had to be shut off by the FAA. This is not good news
 because the FAA is pushing the FCC to solve these interference problems
once
 and
 for all.

 Voluntary database registration has unfortunately not proven to be
effective
 enough. There are still some operators who apparently have not heard about
 the
 TDWR interference problem and some who have simply failed to bring and
keep
 their systems in compliance. On the supply-chain side, there are several
 manufacturers and distributors who did take positive, affirmative and
 responsible action to help address the problem however they were they in
the
 minority. Most manufacturers and distributors did not step up to the
plate
 with customer education or software upgrades. Because airline safety is a
 very
 important issue, it only takes a few bad actors to cause significant
 problems
 for everyone else

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes needed

[Brian Webster]

The problem is all of the equipment that is already out in the supply
channels.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Your input on 5 GHz rules changes
needed

I notice that the FCC issued a $10,000 fine to Ayustar in San Juan 
about a year ago.  I hope they got the message.

It just might be that the FCC and NTIA were a little fast in making 
5600-5650 part of the Part 15 bands.  Sure, licensed equipment can be 
used without a license (vis. 3650) but that's a pretty 
straightforward violation.  On the other hand, it would be better to 
have access to that band, including the 30 MHz guard bands that the 
NTIA presentation shows as being needed, at least near the TDWRs.

And that's the rub:  There are 45 TDWRs, and a lot of places nowhere 
near them.  Sensing has not proven reliable.  But a GPS/database 
approach is costly.  Maybe the best compromise is to take 5570-5680 
and take it out of Part 15, or limit Part 15 use to indoor low power 
only (like 5150-5250).  Then the 110 MHz at risk can be made 
available under Part 90, as nonexclusive light licensing.  The 
license would have to specify its frqeuencies area of operation, and 
follow rules that avoid TDWR interference.  So if it's within say 10 
miles of a TDWR, it would need the 30 MHz spacing, and if within some 
larger radius, it would need less spacing, and if way far from one of 
them, it could operate within the TDWR band.  In exchange for this, 
we should ask for higher power limits, perhaps the same as on 
5725-5850 ISM, for places where it wouldn't interfere with TDWR (say 
if it's both 30 MHz and  20 km away, or 100 km away).  This could 
be done with a map of both TDWR and any other protected radars.

At 2/9/2011 01:59 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
On 2/9/2011 9:49 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  The proper fix for this problem is a visit from the enforcement guys,
and a
  nasty fine for repeat offenders.
jau Joint FAA/FCC Enforcement teams have been out for a long time 
but this is
a VERY costly solution and likely not sustainable in this era of shrinking
budgets. That's why it's better to solve this problem before 
enforcement becomes
the option of (costly) last resort. WISPA has suggested to the FCC that
they
better PUBLICIZE enforcement actions and they are considering that.
  After that, what would be so hard about using sensing and DFS (done
right
  this time) to cause systems near the radars to notch out the 110mhz of
  spectrum while not bothering anyone else?
jau This is much more difficult that it sounds. The wireless 
industry has been
working for over a year (manufacturers, chip makers, etc.) to do 
this and has so
far been unable to come up with an acceptable technical solution. 
The effort is
on hold at the moment.
  The radar systems are well known, should be an easy signal to detect.
jau They are not so easy to detect. New radar waveforms come into 
use. Radars
go on and off-line. Wireless systems can't sit around all day just
listening;
they have real world traffic to handle. Again, the best minds in the
industry
have so far failed to figure out an acceptable solution.
  The radios already tend to send a LOT of data back and forth, radio
name,
  signal levels, speed, language, channel used etc. etc. etc.  Certainly
any
  radio that turns on could sense for 30 seconds, if it detects a TDWR
signal
  at a certain threshold, then report than back to the AP and the AP could
  then lock out the needed channels for that particular location.
jau You are more than welcome to volunteer to join the wireless Industry
Group engineering team that has been addressing this issue for the 
last year.
I'll be happy to introduce you to the team leader so you can sign up to
contribute your engineering advice.
  This should be able to be done via a firmware upgrade to any legacy or
new
  hardware out there.
jau Well, the manufacturers are not stepping up to develop new 
firmware. This
is one of the frustrations that the FCC feels.
  Cheap, relatively easy, fixes the problem and does NOT take away 110mhz
of
  newly acquired spectrum from the rest of the country.
jauI would welcome your help to reach out to and motivate the 
manufacturers to
do this. Let me know when you are ready to start your outreach program.
  A quick note on PR.  The operator(s) there has run foot loose and 
 fancy free
  with the rules for as long as I can remember.  Perhaps it's time to fine
  them at a high enough level that it puts them out of business?  Kind of
a 3
  strikes your out thing.
jau Yep. Sounds right.

jack

  marlon
 

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