Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[Chuck Bartosch]

I've contacted the two congressman in our area already. Haven't reached out yet 
to the Senators.

Chuck

On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:12 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

> Just expressed that sentiment with our Senator, suggest you do the same ;-)
> 
> ~V~
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chuck Bartosch [mailto:ch...@clarityconnect.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:02 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
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> Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the
> funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the
> give back.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> 
>> Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet.
>> If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the
> other
>> RUS.  This would still leave the RUS fund @ <$1.5B.
>> 
>> And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war.
>> 
>> ~V~
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>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
>> 
>> Nice.  And for such a great cause, too.
>> 
>> Bob-
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>> http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[St. Louis Broadband]

Just expressed that sentiment with our Senator, suggest you do the same ;-)

~V~

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Bartosch [mailto:ch...@clarityconnect.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:02 PM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the
funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the
give back.

Chuck

On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

> Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet.
> If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the
other
> RUS.  This would still leave the RUS fund @ <$1.5B.
> 
> And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war.
> 
> ~V~
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
> 
> Nice.  And for such a great cause, too.
> 
> Bob-
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> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 AM
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> http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[Chuck Bartosch]

Of course that wouldn't be particular fair given that NTIA got 2/3rds of the 
funding in the first place. I'd hope they'd have to cough up 2/3rds of the give 
back.

Chuck

On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:04 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

> Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet.
> If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other
> RUS.  This would still leave the RUS fund @ <$1.5B.
> 
> And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war.
> 
> ~V~
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
> 
> Nice.  And for such a great cause, too.
> 
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[St. Louis Broadband]

Was just informed by our Senator's Aid that this has not been decided yet.
If it is approved half of the funds would come out of the NTIA and the other
RUS.  This would still leave the RUS fund @ <$1.5B.

And yes Robert, I hate to see tax dollars spent on a war.

~V~

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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

Nice.  And for such a great cause, too.

Bob-


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Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684


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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[Robert West]

Nice.  And for such a great cause, too.

Bob-


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http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684


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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?

[Mike Hammett]

http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684


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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

[Charles Wu]

Congrats

Out of curiosity -- was your last mile BIP or BTOP?

-Charles

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Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:09 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were 
informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still 
waiting our our last mile application.

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_federal_grant_to_h.html

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

[Brian Webster]

Congratulations!



Thank You,
Brian Webster

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Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were
informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still
waiting our our last mile application.

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_fe
deral_grant_to_h.html

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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

[Michael Baird]

Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were 
informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still 
waiting our our last mile application.

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_federal_grant_to_h.html

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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Update - NARUC Presentation by Jonathan Adelstein and Larry Strickling

[Charles Wu]

NARUC 121st Annual Convention:
11/17/09
11:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
5th Floor - Ballroom D
National Broadband Stimulus Update
Larry Strickling, Director of NTIA and Jonathan Adelstein, Administrator of the 
USDA Rural Utility Service provide an update on the American Recovery and 
Reinvestment Act broadband grant and loan programs.

Moderator: Hon Phil Jones - Commissioner: Washington Utilities and 
Transportation Commission
Panelists:
Hon Larry Strickling - Asst Secreatry for Communications and Info and Director, 
NTIA
Hon Jonathan Adelstein - Administrator, Rural Development Utilities - USDA

Recorded Audio Presentation can be downloaded here: 
http://www.winog.org/index.php?q=bbstimupdate_111709




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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Could Save Lives and Cash

[RickG]

I used the school bus argument as an extreme one but thanks for
underscoring my point :)

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Chuck Bartosch wrote:
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:46 PM, RickG wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of when I worked at McDonald Douglas. The engineers there
>> told me they could save more lives by putting in more safety equipment
>> into the jets. The problem was airline travel would cost 1000 times
>> more.
>> Ever wonder why there are no seat belts on school buses? Money.
>
> Though it is a "true" statement, it's misleading for school busses.
> Almost no one dies in a school bus (compared to auto accidents) in the
> first place. And seat belts wouldn't have much of any effect on the
> already exceedingly low death rates in a school bus. THAT'S why we
> don't spend money on it- it doesn't really make any difference. Yes, I
> know one could say "ah, but if you saved 1 life a year, you're making
> an economic argument that it isn't worth $500,000,000 to retrofit all
> busses to have seat belts". It's true, but kind of misleading because,
> if it would make much of a difference, we'd do it.
>
> Meanwhile, many many parents drive their kids to school despite the
> fact that the death rate due to driving kids to school is like 100
> times higher. In both cases though, the rates are so low, it isn't
> really any issue.
>
>> The point is, we can save more lives in many ways but at what cost?
>
> 
>
> Chuck
>
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Lists wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Could Save Lives and Cash

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:46 PM, RickG wrote:

> Reminds me of when I worked at McDonald Douglas. The engineers there
> told me they could save more lives by putting in more safety equipment
> into the jets. The problem was airline travel would cost 1000 times
> more.
> Ever wonder why there are no seat belts on school buses? Money.

Though it is a "true" statement, it's misleading for school busses.  
Almost no one dies in a school bus (compared to auto accidents) in the  
first place. And seat belts wouldn't have much of any effect on the  
already exceedingly low death rates in a school bus. THAT'S why we  
don't spend money on it- it doesn't really make any difference. Yes, I  
know one could say "ah, but if you saved 1 life a year, you're making  
an economic argument that it isn't worth $500,000,000 to retrofit all  
busses to have seat belts". It's true, but kind of misleading because,  
if it would make much of a difference, we'd do it.

Meanwhile, many many parents drive their kids to school despite the  
fact that the death rate due to driving kids to school is like 100  
times higher. In both cases though, the rates are so low, it isn't  
really any issue.

> The point is, we can save more lives in many ways but at what cost?



Chuck

> -RickG
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Lists wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Could Save Lives and Cash

[RickG]

Reminds me of when I worked at McDonald Douglas. The engineers there
told me they could save more lives by putting in more safety equipment
into the jets. The problem was airline travel would cost 1000 times
more.
Ever wonder why there are no seat belts on school buses? Money.
The point is, we can save more lives in many ways but at what cost?
-RickG

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[RickG]

"Audit" = excitment, fun, & adventure!

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Yes, for the portion of your business that relates to the Grant proceeds.
> Some disclosure of financial statements would likely be required do to
> proving your need that you wouldn't do the upgrade without recieving the
> funds, or to prove your economic need, and your viablity for sustainabilty.
> But it would be up to you what you were willing to share. Accepting money
> does not give them the rights to your books, beyond showing compliance to
> grant terms.
> There will be a requirement to report deployed coverage down to the census
> block level, where using Grant proceeds, as well as your prices offered.
>
> For example, you would not be audited for prior non-related tax compliance.
> Auditors would audit grant compliance.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "RickG" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>
>
> Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody
>> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning
>> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they
>> publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a
>> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are
>> receieved.
>>
>> What you need to do is
>>
>> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you
>> got
>> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward
>> thinking :-)
>> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant
>> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
>> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and
>> rules
>> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
>> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and
>> rules
>> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time
>> left,
>> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT
>> deadline.
>>
>> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding
>> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's
>> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details
>> when it is released.
>>
>> In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be
>> the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak,
>> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the
>> targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to
>> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really
>> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.
>>
>> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to
>> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know
>> for
>> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within
>> reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that
>> are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case
>> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when
>> the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be
>> any
>> reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that
>> incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that
>> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to
>> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without
>> the
>> WISP giving their business away.
>>
>> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is
>> that they never applied.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allo

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[RickG]

Sure it matters! I run a private company. We have enough laws, rules,
and regualtions to abide by as it is. It's enough to make you dizzy.
To open up your books to politicians and the likes with nothing better
to do than pick on capitalist is a disaster in the making. I know
plenty of farmers that will tell you their stories. I'm an honest guy
and go overboard to make sure I play by the rules but I dont trust
others and their agendas.
-RickG

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Does it matter..?
>
> On 5/26/09, RickG  wrote:
>> Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi 
>> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody
>>> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning
>>> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they
>>> publish rules.  I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a
>>> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are
>>> receieved.
>>>
>>> What you need to do is
>>>
>>> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you
>>> got
>>> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward
>>> thinking :-)
>>> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant
>>> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
>>> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and
>>> rules
>>> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
>>> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and
>>> rules
>>> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time
>>> left,
>>> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT
>>> deadline.
>>>
>>> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding
>>> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's
>>> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details
>>> when it is released.
>>>
>>> In  the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be
>>> the future rules.  WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak,
>>> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the
>>> targeted awardee.  But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to
>>> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really
>>> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.
>>>
>>> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to
>>> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know
>>> for
>>> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within
>>> reality.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that
>>> are well written, and justified.  My advise is to do all the business case
>>> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when
>>> the NOFA is released.  Remember, they have not stated that there will be
>>> any
>>> reward for deploying cheaper.  But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that
>>> incourage additional investments.  Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs
>>> that
>>> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to
>>> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without
>>> the
>>> WISP giving their business away.
>>>
>>> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is
>>> that they never applied.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Even here, I eventually expect
>>>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>>>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>>>
>>> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes, for the portion of your business that relates to the Grant proceeds.
Some disclosure of financial statements would likely be required do to 
proving your need that you wouldn't do the upgrade without recieving the 
funds, or to prove your economic need, and your viablity for sustainabilty. 
But it would be up to you what you were willing to share. Accepting money 
does not give them the rights to your books, beyond showing compliance to 
grant terms.
There will be a requirement to report deployed coverage down to the census 
block level, where using Grant proceeds, as well as your prices offered.

For example, you would not be audited for prior non-related tax compliance. 
Auditors would audit grant compliance.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?


Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money?
-RickG

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi  
wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody
> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning
> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they
> publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a
> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are
> receieved.
>
> What you need to do is
>
> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you 
> got
> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward
> thinking :-)
> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant
> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and 
> rules
> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and 
> rules
> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time 
> left,
> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT
> deadline.
>
> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding
> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's
> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details
> when it is released.
>
> In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be
> the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak,
> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the
> targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to
> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really
> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.
>
> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to
> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know 
> for
> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within
> reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that
> are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case
> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when
> the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be 
> any
> reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that
> incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that
> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to
> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without 
> the
> WISP giving their business away.
>
> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is
> that they never applied.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>
>
>
>>Even here, I eventually expect
>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband 
> stimulus
> package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership 
> fees(after
> tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an 
> A**,
> but I belonged to o

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Josh Luthman]

Does it matter..?

On 5/26/09, RickG  wrote:
> Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody
>> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning
>> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they
>> publish rules.  I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a
>> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are
>> receieved.
>>
>> What you need to do is
>>
>> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you
>> got
>> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward
>> thinking :-)
>> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant
>> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
>> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and
>> rules
>> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
>> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and
>> rules
>> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time
>> left,
>> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT
>> deadline.
>>
>> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding
>> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's
>> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details
>> when it is released.
>>
>> In  the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be
>> the future rules.  WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak,
>> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the
>> targeted awardee.  But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to
>> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really
>> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.
>>
>> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to
>> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know
>> for
>> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within
>> reality.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that
>> are well written, and justified.  My advise is to do all the business case
>> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when
>> the NOFA is released.  Remember, they have not stated that there will be
>> any
>> reward for deploying cheaper.  But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that
>> incourage additional investments.  Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs
>> that
>> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to
>> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without
>> the
>> WISP giving their business away.
>>
>> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is
>> that they never applied.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Even here, I eventually expect
>>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>>
>> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband
>> stimulus
>> package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership
>> fees(after
>> tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an
>> A**,
>> but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.
>>
>> I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this.
>> Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that
>> opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: RickG 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400
>>
>>>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a custome

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[RickG]

Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money?
-RickG

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody
> knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning
> the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they
> publish rules.  I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a
> science project to see what type of applicants and applications are
> receieved.
>
> What you need to do is
>
> 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got
> some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward
> thinking :-)
> 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant
> funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
> 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules
> are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
> 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules
> a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left,
> and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT
> deadline.
>
> The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding
> notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's
> Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details
> when it is released.
>
> In  the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be
> the future rules.  WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak,
> because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the
> targeted awardee.  But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to
> WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really
> wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.
>
> The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to
> award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for
> a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within
> reality.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that
> are well written, and justified.  My advise is to do all the business case
> plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when
> the NOFA is released.  Remember, they have not stated that there will be any
> reward for deploying cheaper.  But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that
> incourage additional investments.  Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that
> have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to
> attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the
> WISP giving their business away.
>
> Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is
> that they never applied.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>
>
>
>>Even here, I eventually expect
>>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus
> package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after
> tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**,
> but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.
>
> I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this.
> Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that
> opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: RickG 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400
>
>>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
>>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
>>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
>>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big
>>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
>>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
>>monopoly world (r

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Matt]

With what Wispa has done with the Calea and 700mhz whitespace issues alone
it seems to be worth the check to me.  And they have done much more then
that.

Matt


On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

>
> >Even here, I eventually expect
> >competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
> >sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
> What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus
> package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after
> tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**,
> but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.
>
> I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this.
> Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that
> opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
>
> Scottie
>



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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Tom DeReggi]

Scott,

Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody 
knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning 
the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they 
publish rules.  I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a 
science project to see what type of applicants and applications are 
receieved.

What you need to do is

1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got 
some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward 
thinking :-)
2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant 
funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas.
3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules 
are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate.
4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules 
a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left, 
and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT 
deadline.

The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding 
notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's 
Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details 
when it is released.

In  the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be 
the future rules.  WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, 
because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the 
targeted awardee.  But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to 
WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really 
wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available.

The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to 
award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for 
a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within 
reality.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that 
are well written, and justified.  My advise is to do all the business case 
plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when 
the NOFA is released.  Remember, they have not stated that there will be any 
reward for deploying cheaper.  But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that 
incourage additional investments.  Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that 
have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to 
attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the 
WISP giving their business away.

Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is 
that they never applied.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?



>Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.

What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus 
package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after 
tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, 
but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.

I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. 
Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that 
opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400

>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big
>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
>-RickG
>
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu  wrote:
>>>All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because 
>>>you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. 
>>>Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, >

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Dustin Jurman]

WISPA did have a group of people that were attending meetings and trying to
sway policy. The time schedule has just been published and hopefully rules
and definitions will be firmed up shortly. 

WISPA could start delivering a facts sheet,  Timeline and useful resources. 

WISPA should get vendors together to monetize the event as part of the
communications effort. 

Maybe the board should think about a short term position to do this where
someone makes some bucks managing this and the communications /
opportunities for WISPA and the Members.  

Daniel,  please don't start conversations with Charles is 100% right,  Some
of us are enjoying a nice hot cup of coffee and it could be dangerous to
ourselves and equipment so early in the morning  ;-)  

Dustin 




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

Charles is right 100%, and he is being as proactive as any VAR (including DR
and ourselves... Charles did a WiNOG on this not to long ago) trying to
figure the mess out so you can get the money (hopefully you'll spend it with
us right!).  

Here is what I know (and I've done more research and had more conversations
than I think I cared to):

- No one knows where the money is going to go or who is going to get it.
Some people think the States are going to get all the money, others that
Fiber will get all of the money, Telco's will get it, only people that have
received RUS funding in the past will get it, etc.  No one has a clear idea
of where the money is going, so it's hard to say what anyone can do to help
you get the money except give you an idea of what the RUS process is like.

- Realistically, the only (and best) thing WISPA can do is provide a forum
for people to discuss what they are doing to get the money, and WISPA can
help lobby the government to get the money into our hands.  I wouldn't
expect WISPA to provide a "grant in a box" widget :-)

- Many people are arguing already that if you haven't already filed
paperwork, you're not going to get any money.  It's amazing how many people
have already put in RUS applications to get this money, before the rules on
who is going to get it has been defined!

- There are a 1,000 people now that think they are going to get a million
dollars from the Government to start a WISP... I'm afraid they are going to
crash and burn Metricom style.  So while an incumbent might be the better
choice to get the money, the packages newcomers are putting together are
pretty impressive.  But I digress... because...

- Personally, I'm going to be surprised if the WISP industry gets even 10%
of the money... the sad thing being we can do much more with it than the
people that probably will get it.

Anyways, I wouldn't expect any reseller/distributor/trade organization to
give you the secret sauce on how to get that money.  Sure we are all doing
research to try to help people get money, but it doesn't mean they will be
right (I've seen some pretty interesting ideas on who/how people are going
to get money... some that I've wanted to laugh at).  So I would start
looking at filling out some of the RUS paperwork, and gathering as much
information as you can.  In the long run, if you want the money, YOUR going
to have to go get it... everyone else can help though :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Charles Wu
>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>
>Hi Scott,
>
>>What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband
>stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my
>membership fees(after >tax season) are sitting here... give me something
>to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but
>didn't get much out of it.
>
>>I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on
>this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump
>on that >opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
>
>>From someone who's successfully navigated this process in various
>iterations, the process of putting in an application for government
>funding (be it RUS/NTIA/etc) is something that's measured in inches of
>thickness of paper and months (or years) of labor -- at the last ISPCON,
>Donny Bell, a WISP out of Minnesota mentioned that he spent in excess of
>$250k in time / effort / manpower / legal fees for his first RUS loan
>application -- and was denied!
>
>Keep in mind too, if you 

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Matt Liotta]

At the end of the day, the agencies giving out the money have to give  
out a lot of money in a very short period of time. To achieve this  
they plan on dividing up the allocations across a variety of other  
entities for help as well as allocating large sums to individual  
companies. This means applications for small amounts of money just  
aren't going to be considered. Of course the flip side is that  
organizations submitting applications for larger amounts than they can  
actual handle are going to be denied as well. In other words, this  
whole process is self-selecting for large companies with resources.

Now then... what do you need to be able to show to have any chance?  
Your application needs to be for a large amount of money say at least  
$25MM. Your company needs to have previously been awarded a grant for  
a broadband project. You need to have matching funds lined up ahead of  
time that cover not only the requirements of the grant, but also your  
overhead costs associated with ramping up to do the project. This is  
because you need to hire people to implement the project or it won't  
be "shovel ready".

Once you have the above then you will be just another application  
worthy of consideration. If you want to get to the top of the pile  
then you are going to need recommendations from your PUC/PSC, and/or  
congressman, and/or governor.

Also, should you be submitting applications to RUS that plan on  
utilizing 3650, remember that Adelstein was a major proponent of  
3650's hybrid licensing model. Do you have a large 3650 deployment? Is  
it compliant with the rules?

-Matt

On May 25, 2009, at 9:01 AM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Charles is right 100%, and he is being as proactive as any VAR  
> (including DR
> and ourselves... Charles did a WiNOG on this not to long ago) trying  
> to
> figure the mess out so you can get the money (hopefully you'll spend  
> it with
> us right!).
>
> Here is what I know (and I've done more research and had more  
> conversations
> than I think I cared to):
>
> - No one knows where the money is going to go or who is going to get  
> it.
> Some people think the States are going to get all the money, others  
> that
> Fiber will get all of the money, Telco's will get it, only people  
> that have
> received RUS funding in the past will get it, etc.  No one has a  
> clear idea
> of where the money is going, so it's hard to say what anyone can do  
> to help
> you get the money except give you an idea of what the RUS process is  
> like.
>
> - Realistically, the only (and best) thing WISPA can do is provide a  
> forum
> for people to discuss what they are doing to get the money, and  
> WISPA can
> help lobby the government to get the money into our hands.  I wouldn't
> expect WISPA to provide a "grant in a box" widget :-)
>
> - Many people are arguing already that if you haven't already filed
> paperwork, you're not going to get any money.  It's amazing how many  
> people
> have already put in RUS applications to get this money, before the  
> rules on
> who is going to get it has been defined!
>
> - There are a 1,000 people now that think they are going to get a  
> million
> dollars from the Government to start a WISP... I'm afraid they are  
> going to
> crash and burn Metricom style.  So while an incumbent might be the  
> better
> choice to get the money, the packages newcomers are putting together  
> are
> pretty impressive.  But I digress... because...
>
> - Personally, I'm going to be surprised if the WISP industry gets  
> even 10%
> of the money... the sad thing being we can do much more with it than  
> the
> people that probably will get it.
>
> Anyways, I wouldn't expect any reseller/distributor/trade  
> organization to
> give you the secret sauce on how to get that money.  Sure we are all  
> doing
> research to try to help people get money, but it doesn't mean they  
> will be
> right (I've seen some pretty interesting ideas on who/how people are  
> going
> to get money... some that I've wanted to laugh at).  So I would start
> looking at filling out some of the RUS paperwork, and gathering as  
> much
> information as you can.  In the long run, if you want the money,  
> YOUR going
> to have to go get it... everyone else can help though :-)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Charles Wu
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[3-dB Networks]

Charles is right 100%, and he is being as proactive as any VAR (including DR
and ourselves... Charles did a WiNOG on this not to long ago) trying to
figure the mess out so you can get the money (hopefully you'll spend it with
us right!).  

Here is what I know (and I've done more research and had more conversations
than I think I cared to):

- No one knows where the money is going to go or who is going to get it.
Some people think the States are going to get all the money, others that
Fiber will get all of the money, Telco's will get it, only people that have
received RUS funding in the past will get it, etc.  No one has a clear idea
of where the money is going, so it's hard to say what anyone can do to help
you get the money except give you an idea of what the RUS process is like.

- Realistically, the only (and best) thing WISPA can do is provide a forum
for people to discuss what they are doing to get the money, and WISPA can
help lobby the government to get the money into our hands.  I wouldn't
expect WISPA to provide a "grant in a box" widget :-)

- Many people are arguing already that if you haven't already filed
paperwork, you're not going to get any money.  It's amazing how many people
have already put in RUS applications to get this money, before the rules on
who is going to get it has been defined!

- There are a 1,000 people now that think they are going to get a million
dollars from the Government to start a WISP... I'm afraid they are going to
crash and burn Metricom style.  So while an incumbent might be the better
choice to get the money, the packages newcomers are putting together are
pretty impressive.  But I digress... because...

- Personally, I'm going to be surprised if the WISP industry gets even 10%
of the money... the sad thing being we can do much more with it than the
people that probably will get it.

Anyways, I wouldn't expect any reseller/distributor/trade organization to
give you the secret sauce on how to get that money.  Sure we are all doing
research to try to help people get money, but it doesn't mean they will be
right (I've seen some pretty interesting ideas on who/how people are going
to get money... some that I've wanted to laugh at).  So I would start
looking at filling out some of the RUS paperwork, and gathering as much
information as you can.  In the long run, if you want the money, YOUR going
to have to go get it... everyone else can help though :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Charles Wu
>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:46 PM
>To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
>
>Hi Scott,
>
>>What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband
>stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my
>membership fees(after >tax season) are sitting here... give me something
>to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but
>didn't get much out of it.
>
>>I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on
>this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump
>on that >opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
>
>>From someone who's successfully navigated this process in various
>iterations, the process of putting in an application for government
>funding (be it RUS/NTIA/etc) is something that's measured in inches of
>thickness of paper and months (or years) of labor -- at the last ISPCON,
>Donny Bell, a WISP out of Minnesota mentioned that he spent in excess of
>$250k in time / effort / manpower / legal fees for his first RUS loan
>application -- and was denied!
>
>Keep in mind too, if you take a look at the comments on the stimulus
>funding, there were thousands of comments (and many from people with
>deep pockets and plenty of lawyers and DC lobbying) -- the competition
>for this money will be, IMO, incredibly stiff and will require a full-
>time expensive, sustained effort if you even want to have a chance to
>win
>
>I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect $250 / year in dues to provide
>you a turn-key solution for grant funding
>
>That said, for your information -- here's a link to the latest in BTOP
>updates: http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/program-
>plan&program_id=5517#schedule
>
>-Charles
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: RickG 
>Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400
>
>>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Marlon K. Schafer]

You're looking at this all backward Scottie.

WISPA isn't here to do for YOU.  It's a mechanism that allows YOU to help 
the INDUSTRY which then also helps you..

This is a TRADE  ASSOCIATION, not a buying group, purchasing group etc.  Our 
main function in life is to make our industry better.  Mainly that's done at 
the governmental level so far.

Our ability to affect changes (or stop them) that help you out cost money 
and take time.  You have to join (and get everyone else to as well) so that 
we have the funding and the man power to do what we have to do.

Want to know what'll happen to us if we don't organize and STAY active? 
It's easy to see.

Two words.

Dial-up

I don't want to go down that road.

I helped form WISPA.  I put in money and time.  I don't even want to know 
how much time but I'll bet it's in the thousands over the years now.  I've 
never gotten a pay check.  In fact I'm not even an officer anymore.  How's 
that for keeping it real!

If you still want to play the me, me, me (big grin) card, you have to join 
wispa to get on the members only list.  That's where all of the "secret 
sauce" discussions take place!  (wicked maniacal laugh)

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?



>Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.

What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus 
package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after 
tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, 
but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.

I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. 
Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that 
opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400

>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big
>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
>-RickG
>
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu  wrote:
>>>All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because 
>>>you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. 
>>>Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, >Cable, 
>>>competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to 
>>>get the customers NOW.
>>
>> Now that's a more interesting discussion
>>
>> What's the business plan for customer acquisition? Do you still keep 
>> building out into unserved areas (e.g., "first to market")?
>>
>> At this point, I would guess that most areas have competition - so then 
>> is the business model based upon arbitraging attrition and moves?
>>
>> e.g., the average American moves every 7 years - so that means 12% of the 
>> population is available "yearly" as a "new customer"
>>
>> So, say you have 5,000 customers in a market of 100,000
>>
>> You'll churn 1% / month (50) - but there's a market of "new adds" of 
>> 1,000 customers every month due to just organic moving activity...so 
>> assuming 20% market share, market equilibrium would be 20,000 subscribers
>>
>> Not necessarily a bad thing =)
>>
>> That said, I'd be curious to talk about "secret sauce" methods to convert 
>> customers from the competition
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Wu wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding debt...I've found that there's a "scale inflection point" in 
>> running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be 
>> reached -- the main purpose for taking on debt (becau

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Charles Wu]

Hi Scott,

>What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus 
>package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after 
>>tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, 
>but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.

>I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just 
>wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that 
>>opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.

>From someone who's successfully navigated this process in various iterations, 
>the process of putting in an application for government funding (be it 
>RUS/NTIA/etc) is something that's measured in inches of thickness of paper and 
>months (or years) of labor -- at the last ISPCON, Donny Bell, a WISP out of 
>Minnesota mentioned that he spent in excess of $250k in time / effort / 
>manpower / legal fees for his first RUS loan application -- and was denied!

Keep in mind too, if you take a look at the comments on the stimulus funding, 
there were thousands of comments (and many from people with deep pockets and 
plenty of lawyers and DC lobbying) -- the competition for this money will be, 
IMO, incredibly stiff and will require a full-time expensive, sustained effort 
if you even want to have a chance to win

I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect $250 / year in dues to provide you a 
turn-key solution for grant funding

That said, for your information -- here's a link to the latest in BTOP updates: 
http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/program-plan&program_id=5517#schedule

-Charles

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400

>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big
>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
>-RickG
>
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu  wrote:
>>>All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because 
>>>you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. 
>>>Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, >Cable, 
>>>competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to get 
>>>the customers NOW.
>>
>> Now that's a more interesting discussion
>>
>> What's the business plan for customer acquisition?  Do you still keep 
>> building out into unserved areas (e.g., "first to market")?
>>
>> At this point, I would guess that most areas have competition - so then is 
>> the business model based upon arbitraging attrition and moves?
>>
>> e.g., the average American moves every 7 years - so that means 12% of the 
>> population is available "yearly" as a "new customer"
>>
>> So, say you have 5,000 customers in a market of 100,000
>>
>> You'll churn 1%  / month (50) - but there's a market of "new adds" of 1,000 
>> customers every month due to just organic moving activity...so assuming 20% 
>> market share, market equilibrium would be 20,000 subscribers
>>
>> Not necessarily a bad thing =)
>>
>> That said, I'd be curious to talk about "secret sauce" methods to convert 
>> customers from the competition
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Wu wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding debt...I've found that there's a "scale inflection point" in 
>> running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be reached -- 
>> the main purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest, you end up 
>> paying more in the longer term instead of buying cash), is to accelerate 
>> growth so one can progress beyond this point
>>
>>
>>
>> e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if you 
>> take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs / month
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP
>>
>>
>>
>> As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k / 
>> month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in 
>> operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300, 800 
>> or 1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is bleeding 
>> cash...at 800 customers the business is just about at a break-even, and at 
>> 1500 customers, the business is a cash machine
>>
>>
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

[Scottie Arnett]

>Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.

What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus 
package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after tax 
season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, but I 
belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.

I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just 
wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that 
opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: RickG 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400

>I find the "secret sauce" of converting a customer a very interesting
>subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
>monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
>owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
>competitive market and I could not overcome the "go with the big
>company" mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
>they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
>monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect
>competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the "secret
>sauce" so I can be better prepared for that day.
>
>-RickG
>
>On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu  wrote:
>>>All I can say is if you are "holding back" on doing more installs because 
>>>you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. 
>>>Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, >Cable, 
>>>competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to get 
>>>the customers NOW.
>>
>> Now that's a more interesting discussion
>>
>> What's the business plan for customer acquisition?  Do you still keep 
>> building out into unserved areas (e.g., "first to market")?
>>
>> At this point, I would guess that most areas have competition - so then is 
>> the business model based upon arbitraging attrition and moves?
>>
>> e.g., the average American moves every 7 years - so that means 12% of the 
>> population is available "yearly" as a "new customer"
>>
>> So, say you have 5,000 customers in a market of 100,000
>>
>> You'll churn 1%  / month (50) - but there's a market of "new adds" of 1,000 
>> customers every month due to just organic moving activity...so assuming 20% 
>> market share, market equilibrium would be 20,000 subscribers
>>
>> Not necessarily a bad thing =)
>>
>> That said, I'd be curious to talk about "secret sauce" methods to convert 
>> customers from the competition
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> Charles Wu wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding debt...I've found that there's a "scale inflection point" in 
>> running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be reached -- 
>> the main purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest, you end up 
>> paying more in the longer term instead of buying cash), is to accelerate 
>> growth so one can progress beyond this point
>>
>>
>>
>> e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if you 
>> take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs / month
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP
>>
>>
>>
>> As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k / 
>> month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in 
>> operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300, 800 
>> or 1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is bleeding 
>> cash...at 800 customers the business is just about at a break-even, and at 
>> 1500 customers, the business is a cash machine
>>
>>
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:20 PM
>>
>> To: WISPA General List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability
>>
>>
>>
>> So I will take option 4 from a previous post since Travis made the point.
>>
>> "Up to 60 months with $1 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan."
>>
>> I want to run debt free as soon a possible.  That being the case I don't
>>
>> lease and have not leased to keep debt down.  I do have a start-up loan
>>
>> that is being paid on a little slower than I would like, but we have
>>
>> paid off 1/2 of it in < 5 years and based on our payments, we are cash
>>
>> flow positive.
>>
>> Granted, my WISP is a lot smaller than many that post here and our
>>
>> growth rate is small, but some of that is managing growth to stay
>>
>> cash-flow positive.
>>
>> I have seen several companies die because they became cash rich, but
>>
>> sti

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Link

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www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants

The rules won't be out for at least two more weeks, I expect them by the
end of next month. The only new federal funding guidance out is for
Community Connect.

 
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any good link for detailed info on the Stimulus plan?
 

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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Link

[Gino Villarini]

any good link for detailed info on the Stimulus plan?
 

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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Lobbying Fundraising Update Feb. 4, 2008

[Rick Harnish]

I missed a $500 donation from Greg Coffey, my sincere apologies.  

 

We are over halfway to our goal!  

Donations can be made by sending a check to:

 

WISPA 

P O Box 1582

Mount Vernon, IL 62864

 

Or via Paypal  to bill...@wispa.org.  

 

Please send an email to bo...@wispa.org to let us know what your pledge will
be.  Please note that we are willing to make allowances for smaller
donations over time.  We understand the tight economy and cash flows and
will make efforts as needed to accommodate your contribution payment
schedules.  Please make note of that when making your pledge.  

 

Previous lobbying efforts for the TV Whitespaces have been paid for out of
membership dues.  With the current urgency of the Broadband Stimulus
Lobbying Effort which is currently taking place as I write this and with
other Administrative Goals yet to be accomplished this year, we felt it
necessary to ask our membership and the industry to support this effort
through a donation fund drive.  We appreciate all who have donated thus far
and we continue to seek additional donations.

 

Broadband Stimulus Lobbying Fund Drive Goal is $30,000

 

Matt Larsen Vistabeam   $250

Mark AckawayMyakka Technologies $1500

George Rogato   OregonFast  $1000

Nathan Stooke   WisperISP   $1000

Brian RohrbacherReliable Inter.net  $500

Don Renner  NetSurfUSA  $1000

John Scrivner   MVN.Net $500

Gino Villarini  Aeronet $1000

Mike HammettIntelligent Computer Solutions  $50

Charles Bender  Skynet Broadband$500

Craig Baird Xpressweb   $500

Dave Giles  Invisimax   $500

Jay Dominique   Access Paging   $500

David Sovereen  Mercury Network $1000

Mark Radabaugh  Amplex  $500

Cliff Leboeuf   Computer Sales & Services, Inc. $500

Steve BarnesRCWIFI  $250

Craig House Total Wireless Communications   $250

Roland HouinFourway $500

Dustin Jurman   Rapid Systems   $500

Ron Wallace Tiger Internet  $250

Marlon Schafer  Odessa Office Equipment $500

Travis Johnson  Microserv   $2000

Chuck Bartosch  Clarity Connect $500

Jason McCernie  Veloxinet   $250

Anand Buch  NetSapiens  $250

Joel White  Nexgenaccess.com$450

Greg Coffey Alluretech/Coffeynet$500

Total Raised Thus Far   $17000

 

Current February Membership Applicants

Jamie Lummack   Crossover Distribution (Vendor) 

Brent HavensMark Twain Communications Company

Adam JohnsonConvertec Corporation

James Olson Sun Dot Communications

Elton WilsonAloha Broadband

Roger Chien EnGenius Technologies, Inc
(Vendor)

 

February New Member Goal is 30.  Current count is 6.

 

Visit http://signup.wispa.org to Join WISPA

 

 

 

Respectively,

 

Rick Harnish

 




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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Lobbying Fundraising Update

[Rick Harnish]

We are over halfway to our goal!  

Donations can be made by sending a check to:

 

WISPA 

P O Box 1582

Mount Vernon, IL 62864

 

Or via Paypal  to bill...@wispa.org.  

 

Please send an email to bo...@wispa.org to let us know what your pledge will
be.  Please note that we are willing to make allowances for smaller
donations over time.  We understand the tight economy and cash flows and
will make efforts as needed to accommodate your contribution payment
schedules.  Please make note of that when making your pledge.  

 

Previous lobbying efforts for the TV Whitespaces have been paid for out of
membership dues.  With the current urgency of the Broadband Stimulus
Lobbying Effort which is currently taking place as I write this and with
other Administrative Goals yet to be accomplished this year, we felt it
necessary to ask our membership and the industry to support this effort
through a donation fund drive.  We appreciate all who have donated thus far
and we continue to seek additional donations.

 

Broadband Stimulus Lobbying Fund Drive Goal is $30,000

 

Matt Larsen Vistabeam   $250

Mark AckawayMyakka Technologies $1500

George Rogato   OregonFast  $1000

Nathan Stooke   WisperISP   $1000

Brian RohrbacherReliable Inter.net  $500

Don Renner  NetSurfUSA  $1000

John Scrivner   MVN.Net $500

Gino Villarini  Aeronet $1000

Mike HammettIntelligent Computer Solutions  $50

Charles Bender  Skynet Broadband$500

Craig Baird Xpressweb   $500

Dave Giles  Invisimax   $500

Jay Dominique   Access Paging   $500

David Sovereen  Mercury Network $1000

Mark Radabaugh  Amplex  $500

Cliff Leboeuf   Computer Sales & Services, Inc. $500

Steve BarnesRCWIFI  $250

Craig House Total Wireless Communications   $250

Roland HouinFourway $500

Dustin Jurman   Rapid Systems   $500

Ron Wallace Tiger Internet  $250

Marlon Schafer  Odessa Office Equipment $500

Travis Johnson  Microserv   $2000

Chuck Bartosch  Clarity Connect $500

Jason McCernie  Veloxinet   $250

Anand Buch  NetSapiens  $250

Joel White  Nexgenaccess.com$450

Total Raised Thus Far   $16500

 

Current February Membership Applicants

Jamie Lummack   Crossover Distribution (Vendor) 

Brent HavensMark Twain Communications Company

Adam JohnsonConvertec Corporation

James Olson Sun Dot Communications

Elton WilsonAloha Broadband

Roger Chien EnGenius Technologies, Inc
(Vendor)

 

February New Member Goal is 30.  Current count is 6.

 

Visit http://signup.wispa.org to Join WISPA

 

 

 

Respectively,

 

Rick Harnish

 

 

 




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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Act Representation Financial Needs

[Rick Harnish]

To all WISPA members and interested parties,

 

I am writing this as a member of WISPA and as a WISP who is concerned about
the upcoming Broadband Stimulus Legislation that is moving through Congress
as I speak.  I feel that it is imperative that we as a group work diligently
to lobby our congressmen on the abilities of WISPs to meet the Broadband
Deployment Issues at hand.  There is a large amount of funding that will be
made available for Broadband Providers to extend their networks.  We need to
speak up and be heard NOW or we may not have access to this funding in the
process of awarding Grants and Loan Programs.

 

To do this, we need to hire representation as a group to make sure our
interests are heard as this policy and procedure is defined.  We have
received a quote from Steve Coran, Rini-Coran and Mercury Strategies to
represent WISPA for three months for a fee of $30,000.  I have attached this
proposal for your review.  The Board has this proposal under consideration
and Tom DeReggi is heading the Legislative Committee to work directly with
Rini-Coran and Mercury through this process.  Our concern as a board is that
this fee on top of the fees incurred for the TV Whitespaces work that
Rini-Coran is doing for us will rapidly deplete our financial resources.
However, it is very valuable work that needs to be done to insure that the
WISP industry has a future.

 

Our dilemma is that we need to raise additional funding from our members to
insure that WISPA can still exist and remain a meaningful Association to
represent your interests as this Broadband push continues in the future.  I
am seeking voluntary donations from individual operators and Vendors to
assist in making this happen.  We have always kept dues low to make sure we
included even the smallest WISPs but our fees do not allow us to have the
resources to lobby the way we should.  We will publicly post the company
names of those who donate to this cause and I am seeking suggestions on how
we can compensate those who donate with some sort of preferential treatment
in the process of obtaining grant writing resources and prioritizing those
grant applications in the work flow in good measure for your donation.  This
is a very resourceful group of operators and I encourage your participation
in deriving this plan.

 

WISPA is growing daily in membership and respect amongst the
telecommunications industry.  With a new website on the way, potential costs
of Association Management, TV Whitespaces Lobbying efforts, US Broadband
Coalition strategy and other upcoming expenses, I see no choice but to bring
this to the membership for input and review.  We are on the verge of doing
something to insure our placement in the future.  We all need to help one
another.

 

If you would like to speak to me directly, please call me at 260-827-2482.
I prefer email but will speak to anyone, time allowing that would like to
talk.

 

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish

President

WISPA


 

 




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