[WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Jawad A Hai
Hello All,

I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one 
option.
but the distance is 2.6 KM.
We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
its from fsona.

http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
Any suggestions.
Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


Regards
Aali 




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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

Why can't you do licensed?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
 option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



 
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[WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Jawad A Hai
Hello All,

I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one 
option.
but the distance is 2.6 KM.
We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
its from fsona.

http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
Any suggestions.
Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


Regards
Aali 




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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Jawad A Hai
60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
 option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Matt Jenkins
Where is this link going to be? (City/State?)

On 10/26/2011 09:02 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote:
 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


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 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Haiahja...@hotmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
 option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/26/2011 12:02 PM, Aali wrote:
60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.

It's not clear if that limit is hard (timing-based) or soft 
(loss-based).  If you're in a relatively dry area, and it's a soft 
limit, you might get a bit of extra range.  But I suspect that only 
would apply in FE mode, not GE mode, which needs more power.

I'd also check Dragonwave, whose brochures are behind a 
registration/mail wall.  But reliable GE for that distance on 
microwave is a stretch.

The fSONA product is free space optical, not microwave.  It might do 
the job but FSO requires a genuine, true, real line-of-sight path.


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

  Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
 
  Why can't you do licensed?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Hello All,
 
  I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
  option.
  but the distance is 2.6 KM.
  We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
  its from fsona.
 
  http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
 
  Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
  Any suggestions.
  Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
  Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
 
 
  Regards
  Aali
 

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 




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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread can...@believewireless.net
80GHz will work but it's pricey.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matt Jenkins
m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:
 Where is this link going to be? (City/State?)

 On 10/26/2011 09:02 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote:
 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


 --
 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Haiahja...@hotmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
 option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel White
The limit is based on O2 absorption.  It is hard limit, not hardware or
software based but atmospheric attenuation based.

2.5km is usually a slam dunk for 80GHz.

Daniel White


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

At 10/26/2011 12:02 PM, Aali wrote:
60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.

It's not clear if that limit is hard (timing-based) or soft (loss-based).
If you're in a relatively dry area, and it's a soft limit, you might get a
bit of extra range.  But I suspect that only would apply in FE mode, not GE
mode, which needs more power.


I'd also check Dragonwave, whose brochures are behind a registration/mail
wall.  But reliable GE for that distance on microwave is a stretch.

The fSONA product is free space optical, not microwave.  It might do the job
but FSO requires a genuine, true, real line-of-sight path.


--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

  Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
 
  Why can't you do licensed?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com
wrote:
  Hello All,
 
  I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
  option.
  but the distance is 2.6 KM.
  We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
  its from fsona.
 
  http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
 
  Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
  Any suggestions.
  Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
  Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
 
 
  Regards
  Aali
 

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 





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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel White
Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio, so
that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.

Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible to
changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.

If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.

Daniel White
Director of Field Engineering
BridgeWave Communications
daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is 
 one option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Josh Luthman
I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
miles.  It was military or medical, something high up.  Is this
possible?

I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
in any knowledge you have on them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
 world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio, so
 that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.

 Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible to
 changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.

 If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.

 Daniel White
 Director of Field Engineering
 BridgeWave Communications
 daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


 --
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
 one option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Dorn Hetzel
Well, sure, it's possible, as long as you are able to use levels of laser
power that would be really unfriendly to anyone unlucky enough to step in
front of it.  You can bounce laser signals off the reflector left on the
moon, so I don't think 35 miles would be that much of a challenge :)  Now,
could a civilian deploy something with this range at a reasonable bandwidth
in a location where faces might conceivable intercept the beam?  I'm
guessing not so much...

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
 miles.  It was military or medical, something high up.  Is this
 possible?

 I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
 in any knowledge you have on them.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
  Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
  world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio,
 so
  that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.
 
  Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible
 to
  changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.
 
  If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.
 
  Daniel White
  Director of Field Engineering
  BridgeWave Communications
  daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
  Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
 
  60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
 
 
  --
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
 
  Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
 
  Why can't you do licensed?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
 
 
  On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello All,
 
  I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
  one option.
  but the distance is 2.6 KM.
  We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
  its from fsona.
 
  http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
 
  Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
  Any suggestions.
  Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
  Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
 
 
  Regards
  Aali
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

2011-10-26 Thread Justin Wilson
Entirely possible. Bandwidth across it doubtful.

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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:08 -0400
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
miles.  It was military or medical, something high up.  Is this
possible?

I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
in any knowledge you have on them.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of
the
 world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the
radio, so
 that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.

 Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very
susceptible to
 changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.

 If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.

 Daniel White
 Director of Field Engineering
 BridgeWave Communications
 daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

 Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

 Why can't you do licensed?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com
wrote:
 Hello All,

 I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
 one option.
 but the distance is 2.6 KM.
 We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
 its from fsona.

 http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m

 Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
 Any suggestions.
 Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
 Appreciate your comments and suggestions.


 Regards
 Aali



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