Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-11 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 8 February 2011 12:17, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote:

 Are you sure on that?

 I'm not an expert on CISCO, and could have it wrong but, I had thought

 Known fact... Cisco 3550 (enterprise OS ver)  was an industry standard Gig
 router that also did OSPF and BGP, although now End of Lifed..
 It was easy and affordable to find on used market.  It didn't support newer
 things like MPLS packet sizes and such.

 However, I thought the 3560 was actually a newer model but also a scaled
 down version of the 3550 router. Either having less processing power or
 RAM
 limits.
 Therefore not very advantageous to get a 3560.

 I then thought the 3750 (enterprise OS ver) switch was the current day
 product equivellent to the 3550 spec, good for BGP and OSPF, but better,
 for
 example using the smaller FC iconnectors nstead of SC connectors, and
 possibly support of newer Cisco supported protocols also.

 So my question is Is the 3560 really an equivellent of a 3750 minus
 stackwise?


Correct on the stacking. The 3750 and 3560 are the exact same switch, but
one has stacking capabilities. You can turn a 3560/3750 in to a full blown
router, OSPF, BGP etc, but you aren't going to hold any external BGP tables,
for sure. Loading different SDM templates will give you up to eight routed
interfaces.

The 3550 is getting really old now, and technically has a lower powered
processor than the 3560, but does do a better job of doing ingress/egress
limiting on switchports.



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-08 Thread Tom DeReggi
Are you sure on that?

I'm not an expert on CISCO, and could have it wrong but, I had thought

Known fact... Cisco 3550 (enterprise OS ver)  was an industry standard Gig 
router that also did OSPF and BGP, although now End of Lifed..
It was easy and affordable to find on used market.  It didn't support newer 
things like MPLS packet sizes and such.

However, I thought the 3560 was actually a newer model but also a scaled 
down version of the 3550 router. Either having less processing power or RAM 
limits.
Therefore not very advantageous to get a 3560.

I then thought the 3750 (enterprise OS ver) switch was the current day 
product equivellent to the 3550 spec, good for BGP and OSPF, but better, for 
example using the smaller FC iconnectors nstead of SC connectors, and 
possibly support of newer Cisco supported protocols also.

So my question is Is the 3560 really an equivellent of a 3750 minus 
stackwise?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?


 3660 is a router, 3560 is a switch. In fact, the 3560 is pretty much the 
 3750 series w/out StackWise.

 A Catalyst 3750 can be had for around 2k on the refurbished market. I can 
 put you in touch with a reseller if needed.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias

 On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:

 Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap
 value.


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?


 Cisco 3560 series are about $4000...




 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-04 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
I'd look at Imagestream or Vyatta. Cisco, like you say is pretty high priced
(You'd probably want a ASR1K). I love my Foundry routers, but they don't do
services (Great at moving packets though) i would look to a CER from
Foundry, but price will still be higher than you may want, think 10k.







On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote:

  They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection.
 Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably in
 the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.


 On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

  How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet
 size?



 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
 Cisco:



 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html





 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 tel:+18008135123 x106
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 *Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?



 I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
 traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
 RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
 Foundry.

 Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
 will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
 in the $20k-$40k range.

 Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
 firewall or filtering on this device.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-03 Thread John J Thomas
Cisco 3560 series are about $4000...

John


-Original Message-
From: Nick [mailto:lists-wi...@atomsplash.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2011 11:18 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection. 
Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably 
in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.

On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

 How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet 
 size?

 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than 
 the Cisco:

 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106

 

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
 *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
 traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
 RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
 Foundry.

 Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
 will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
 in the $20k-$40k range.

 Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
 firewall or filtering on this device.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-03 Thread Blake Bowers
Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap 
value.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?


 Cisco 3560 series are about $4000...





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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-03 Thread Blake Covarrubias
3660 is a router, 3560 is a switch. In fact, the 3560 is pretty much the 3750 
series w/out StackWise.

A Catalyst 3750 can be had for around 2k on the refurbished market. I can put 
you in touch with a reseller if needed.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:

 Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap 
 value.
 
 
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 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
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 Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-03 Thread John J Thomas
3560s are layer 3 switches that are current product..

John


-Original Message-
From: Blake Bowers [mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2011 10:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

Naturally - and I have stacks of 3660's that are barely above scrap 
value.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: John J Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?


 Cisco 3560 series are about $4000...





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[WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Nick
I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of 
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a 
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or 
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that 
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're 
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any 
firewall or filtering on this device.



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have to say I had an expensive cisco router that routed my entire network. 
Due to a lightning strike I was in a bind to replace it and didn't have 12K on 
hand to buy another one. After some thought (not much because time was of the 
essence) I went with mikrotik. Everything I have works better. Even to the 
point that customers noticed a difference  My ping times were greatly reduced 
and some small issues I was having before disappeared.  

Just my 2 cents. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 2, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote:

 I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of 
 traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 
 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a 
 RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or 
 Foundry.
 
 Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that 
 will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're 
 in the $20k-$40k range.
 
 Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any 
 firewall or filtering on this device.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet size?

 

You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
Cisco:

 

http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

 

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
firewall or filtering on this device.




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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Matt
 How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet size?

 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
 Cisco:

 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Does the Rebel support 10GE interfaces?



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Scott Reed
Would they accept ImageStream?   They are a vendor member of WISPA and 
have good pricing.

On 2/2/2011 12:16 PM, Nick wrote:
 I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
 traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
 RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
 Foundry.

 Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
 will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
 in the $20k-$40k range.

 Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
 firewall or filtering on this device.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Nick
They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection. 
Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably 
in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.


On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:


How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet 
size?


You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than 
the Cisco:


http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106



*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Nick

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
*To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
*Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
firewall or filtering on this device.



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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Cameron Kilton
http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/


Thanks,
Cameron Kilton
Project Manager
Midcoast Internet Solutions
http://www.midcoast.com
c...@midcoast.com
(207) 594-8277 x 108

On 2/2/2011 2:18 PM, Nick wrote:
   They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection.
 Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably
 in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size.

 On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

 How much real throughput do they need? Any idea of the average packet
 size?

 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than
 the Cisco:

 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream Sales Manager
 800-813-5123 x106

 

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Nick
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
 *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
 traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
 RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
 Foundry.

 Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
 will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
 in the $20k-$40k range.

 Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
 firewall or filtering on this device.


 
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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

2011-02-02 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
No, but we can populate them in our bigger routers.  We don't offer
wirespeed yet, but we can push multiple Gigs.

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 

 How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet
size?

 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
 Cisco:

 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Does the Rebel support 10GE interfaces?




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