Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes... YOu can also look at the connectors on the cable you might want to try and put new ones on there. Also, did you try a different POE injector at the tower? Let us know what you come up with. Leon * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:33 PM: Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? About 50 feet We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. We brought the 133 back into the office and had no problem accessing it with short length Cat 5 and the wireless worked great, same for the new 433A board. So this leaves us with the 433AH and one card working at the 50 foot length radio mount but not the 133 or 433a which work perfectly in the office. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. We can try this. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from not very good in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Who RMAs a $100 board??? On 1/21/09, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from not very good in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Josh, to be honest the 4xx are giving us problems. We have a lot of boards with strange behaviors, I have a desk full of suspected of..., probably does not do this or that. I cannot tell you if the 5xx (e.g. 532) series were worse. We still have some 532/532A installed with 2.9.x and they work great, I admit the same is not for the 333/4xx series. Maybe it's because the number of nodes in our network has grown considerably and they are new boards. Just to tell you the one that we had today: - the 333/433 board looks burned with a +24V power supply, but it was working nicely with +18VDC. Same board family and same power supply family working in other sites - the 333/433 has ethernet problems with +24 but it works nicely with +18VDC. Don't ask me why... However, it surprised me to read about this: http://forum.routerboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=3868 Now, do you think that I will go up on the tower to open the box and see what is the capacitor on the board? Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. I will not talk about the software issues, it's too easy to talk about the bugs. Every release has new undiscovered bugs of the previous one. Honestly I would have preferred less features and more stability, but it's their choice. Just my 2EuroCents. P.S. I did not yet send the boards back to mikrotik, I don't have time for that, maybe in the near future. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from not very good in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
The 333 board sucked. That simple. I have dozens of customers with RB411 CPEs and our power is pretty good - never had to reboot the CPE for the last 6 months (we started deploying them 6 months ago). The 133 did have that power problem and I saw it many times, however, a $50 UPS can fix that. Not to mention if someone has a PC they should have one already... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Josh, to be honest the 4xx are giving us problems. We have a lot of boards with strange behaviors, I have a desk full of suspected of..., probably does not do this or that. I cannot tell you if the 5xx (e.g. 532) series were worse. We still have some 532/532A installed with 2.9.x and they work great, I admit the same is not for the 333/4xx series. Maybe it's because the number of nodes in our network has grown considerably and they are new boards. Just to tell you the one that we had today: - the 333/433 board looks burned with a +24V power supply, but it was working nicely with +18VDC. Same board family and same power supply family working in other sites - the 333/433 has ethernet problems with +24 but it works nicely with +18VDC. Don't ask me why... However, it surprised me to read about this: http://forum.routerboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=3868 Now, do you think that I will go up on the tower to open the box and see what is the capacitor on the board? Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. I will not talk about the software issues, it's too easy to talk about the bugs. Every release has new undiscovered bugs of the previous one. Honestly I would have preferred less features and more stability, but it's their choice. Just my 2EuroCents. P.S. I did not yet send the boards back to mikrotik, I don't have time for that, maybe in the near future. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from not very good in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
I do. Josh Luthman wrote: Who RMAs a $100 board??? On 1/21/09, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco difrance...@teleinform.com wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.tele
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
You are not alone! I've use a 48VDC to 15VDC converter in my boxes. All my tower gear is 48VDC and staying that way. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
What 48V to 15 V converters do you use? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness You are not alone! I've use a 48VDC to 15VDC converter in my boxes. All my tower gear is 48VDC and staying that way. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
* Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? About 50 feet We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. We brought the 133 back into the office and had no problem accessing it with short length Cat 5 and the wireless worked great, same for the new 433A board. So this leaves us with the 433AH and one card working at the 50 foot length radio mount but not the 133 or 433a which work perfectly in the office. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. We can try this. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a. The board that is working is the 433ah. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
We knew what you meant because the 433 has three ports and 411 has one. I do suggest putting a 433ah up there if you plan to have some good usage. Saving 50 dollars isn't worth playing with the board upgrade game for the capacity it provides. If the 433ah does work then your line is probably good, does usage change? If so the 100m/full change would be my suggestion too. Note the 4xx boards are very similar hardware (only changes are memory, ports and some models have bigger CPUs). On 1/20/09, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a. The board that is working is the 433ah. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Could it be that the board is getting to low a voltage? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Remember the 411AH and the 433AH are EXACTLY the same with two exceptions, less Ethernet and wireless ports and micro-sd slot. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Josh Luthman wrote: We knew what you meant because the 433 has three ports and 411 has one. I do suggest putting a 433ah up there if you plan to have some good usage. Saving 50 dollars isn't worth playing with the board upgrade game for the capacity it provides. If the 433ah does work then your line is probably good, does usage change? If so the 100m/full change would be my suggestion too. Note the 4xx boards are very similar hardware (only changes are memory, ports and some models have bigger CPUs). On 1/20/09, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a. The board that is working is the 433ah. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
The board works at 18v and there's only one wireless card. At 50ft or even 500ft you're not losing 1v. I'm betting you have a 24v poe? On 1/20/09, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Remember the 411AH and the 433AH are EXACTLY the same with two exceptions, less Ethernet and wireless ports and micro-sd slot. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Josh Luthman wrote: We knew what you meant because the 433 has three ports and 411 has one. I do suggest putting a 433ah up there if you plan to have some good usage. Saving 50 dollars isn't worth playing with the board upgrade game for the capacity it provides. If the 433ah does work then your line is probably good, does usage change? If so the 100m/full change would be my suggestion too. Note the 4xx boards are very similar hardware (only changes are memory, ports and some models have bigger CPUs). On 1/20/09, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Oops let me correct myself I've been saying 433a, it's actually a 411a. The board that is working is the 433ah. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: snip Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Hi Forbes A few questions/comments: : How long is the ethernet run? We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, only IPs. How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: 1/20/2009 2:34 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
