Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
IIRC the mac address randomizing code was[ half-baked and not random enough ]( https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/10/mac_address_randomization/ ) to be anonymous. Android more or less gave up on the feature and it's hardly implemented at all. But either way it's not a brand issue it's across the board. Just turn off WiFi when not in use. There's certainly legitimate uses for this technology but as with anything it can be abused as well. I'm more comfortable with a Muni. or public safety systems using it than a retail store. For those of you that don't mind throwing wrenches in gears that shouldn't exist there's a project called [ Linger ]( https://jaspervanloenen.com/linger/ ). Something like this could make statistical analysis of MAC addresses nearly impossible without some serious code to separate the noise. As for amusing SSID's my personal favorite seen in the wild: [Bring back my F*%!ing Leaf blower!] -Original Message- From: "Tim Cailloux" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 5:23pm To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group I thought Apple pretty well pissed on this concept of user tracking (at least with iPhone users) by psuedo-randomizing the MAC when scanning for WiFi networks? I never paid enough attention to how well it worked, but I saw it as a pretty big anti-tracking feature. (Not sure about Android. I never had an Android phone I liked. They exist, I'm sure, but I had bad luck.) tim -- Tim Cailloux [ t...@southern-internet.com ]( mailto:t...@southern-internet.com ) (404) 406-9911 On Thu, May 11, 2017, at 17:19, Nick Bright wrote: It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail chains to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all anonymized, there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential for abuse is there. We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to provide the city with analytic data on their down town area; it provides them with information that helps with chamber of commerce initiatives, public safety planning, and festival analytic data. When used responsibly, this anonymized data does not pose any privacy risk. However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent from does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It makes me wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real motivation?" On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, [ garrettshan...@vabb.com ]( mailto:garrettshan...@vabb.com ) wrote: Jokes aside: That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's all "technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties. Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques. -Original Message- From: "Jan-OOLLC" [ ]( mailto:j.vank...@oregononline.net ) Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm To: [ wireless@wispa.org ]( mailto:wireless@wispa.org ) Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group Maybe he owns a donut store? Jan V On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? ;-) -Mike Hammett[ Intelligent Computing Solutions ]( http://www.ics-il.com/ )[ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL )[ Midwest Internet Exchange ]( http://www.midwest-ix.com/ )[ ]( https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange )[ ]( https://twitter.com/mdwestix )[ The Brothers WISP ]( http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp )[ ]( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ) From: "Chris Stradtman" [ ]( mailto:cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com ) To: "WISPA General List" [ ]( mailto:wireless@wispa.org ) Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Query to the group Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman _
Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
have a look at this https://wigle.net/ Murray On 5/11/2017 1:04 AM, Chris Stradtman wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Best Regards WiFi-Texas brand products -- PoE-Texas LLC 512-479-0317 http://poe-texas.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
I thought Apple pretty well pissed on this concept of user tracking (at least with iPhone users) by psuedo-randomizing the MAC when scanning for WiFi networks? I never paid enough attention to how well it worked, but I saw it as a pretty big anti-tracking feature. (Not sure about Android. I never had an Android phone I liked. They exist, I'm sure, but I had bad luck.) tim -- Tim Cailloux t...@southern-internet.com (404) 406-9911 On Thu, May 11, 2017, at 17:19, Nick Bright wrote: > It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail > chains to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all > anonymized, there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential > for abuse is there.> > We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to > provide the city with analytic data on their down town area; it > provides them with information that helps with chamber of commerce > initiatives, public safety planning, and festival analytic data. > When used responsibly, this anonymized data does not pose any > privacy risk.> > However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent > from does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It > makes me wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real > motivation?"> > On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: >> >> Jokes aside: >> >> >> That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's >> all "technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with >> potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties.>> >> Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques.>> >> >> -Original Message- From: "Jan-OOLLC" >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm To: >> wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group>> Maybe he owns >> a donut store? >> Jan V >> On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[1] >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange[2] >>> >>> The Brothers WISP[3]>>> >>> *From: *"Chris Stradtman" >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" *Sent: *Thursday, >>> May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>> I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. >>> I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of >>> "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would>>> be >>> paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID >>> would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't >>> going into>>> any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the >>> content >>> of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either >>> be done through>>> vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be >>> done via a >>> passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear.>>> I thought I would float >>> this idea out to the group to see how it is >>> received.>>> Thanks in advance, >>> Chris Stradtman >>> >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>>> >>> >>> ___ Wireless mailing >>> list Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless>> >> >> ___ Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > > -- --- - Nick Bright > - - Vice President of Technology - - Valnet -=- We > Connect You -=- - - Tel 888-332-1616 x 315 / Fax 620-331- > 0789 - - Web http://www.valnet.net/ - > --- > - Are your files safe?- - Valnet Vault - > Secure Cloud Backup - - More information & 30 day free trial > at - - http://www.valnet.net/services/valnet-vault - > --- > This email message and any attachments are intend
Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
It's a widely used strategy in hotspot markets and large retail chains
to track movement within facilities. Since the data is all anonymized,
there's not any serious privacy issues; but the potential for abuse is
there.
We do utilize a similar system in one of our wifi projects, to provide
the city with analytic data on their down town area; it provides them
with information that helps with chamber of commerce initiatives, public
safety planning, and festival analytic data. When used responsibly, this
anonymized data does not pose any privacy risk.
However, I do have say that the domain that original email was sent from
does seem dubious - it goes to a link farm landing page. It makes me
wonder "Who is really asking, and what is their real motivation?"
On 5/11/2017 2:11 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote:
Jokes aside:
That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's all
"technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with
potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties.
Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques.
-Original Message-
From: "Jan-OOLLC"
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
Maybe he owns a donut store?
Jan V
On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
"FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"?
;-)
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*Sent: *Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group
Hi Everyone,
I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea.
I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of
"analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would
be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID
would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't
going into
any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the
content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It
could either be done through
vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a
passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear.
I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it
is received.
Thanks in advance,
Chris Stradtman
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Re: [WISPA] Query to the group
Jokes aside: That sounds too "gray area" for my liking personally. While it's all "technically" legal but still pushes some ethical issues with potential collection of MAC addresses from unwitting parties. Not that Lowe's and Target have any trouble with similar techniques. -Original Message- From: "Jan-OOLLC" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:48pm To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Query to the group Maybe he owns a donut store? Jan V On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? ;-) -Mike Hammett[ Intelligent Computing Solutions ]( http://www.ics-il.com/ )[ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL )[ Midwest Internet Exchange ]( http://www.midwest-ix.com/ )[ ]( https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange )[ ]( https://twitter.com/mdwestix )[ The Brothers WISP ]( http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ )[ ]( https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp )[ ]( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ) From: "Chris Stradtman" [ ]( mailto:cstradt...@greenpointcommunications.com ) To: "WISPA General List" [ ]( mailto:wireless@wispa.org ) Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Query to the group Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list [ Wireless@wispa.org ]( mailto:Wireless@wispa.org ) [ http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ]( http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ) ___Wireless mailing list[ Wireless@wispa.org ]( mailto:Wireless@wispa.org )[ http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ]( http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless )___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Maybe he owns a donut store? Jan V On 05/11/2017 05:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: "FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Chris Stradtman" *To: *"WISPA General List" *Sent: *Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Query to the group Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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"FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Stradtman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] Query to the group Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Query to the group
Hi Everyone, I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One of the possible things this would involve would be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe colocated with the WISP's gear. I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. Thanks in advance, Chris Stradtman ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
