Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a switch or any or all can be routed. The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically connected, so data just bypasses the router. On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
thanks Scott. Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the same switch group? - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? 2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a switch or any or all can be routed. The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically connected, so data just bypasses the router. On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
You can still bridge,you just cannot switch outside the groups. software hub vs hardware switch. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: thanks Scott. Does that mean that you can't bridge ports together that don't exist in the same switch group? - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? 2 Switch groups means you can either put any or all of the ports in a switch or any or all can be routed. The bypass is a pair of ports that if the power goes away are physically connected, so data just bypasses the router. On 11/1/2010 11:15 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Fair enough. I also get bitchy sometimes when conversations go awry and the point is lost for something I care about, so...sorry for my part in that like I hope the guy's question about install vehicles actually got ANSWERED ;) You get what you pay for. In the Mikrotik router game for port density there seems to be no middle ground where we have 10 or 12 ports but not with the horsepower that's out there now. I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I want to put these EVERYWHERE, and I don't want to pay $1400 just to add a router at every tower. I've got 20 towers and I know others have way more than that. 20x$1400=$28000. 20x$400=$8000. There are towers that I could use 3 or 4 more for additional access points, and some that need additional throughput and in those cases I could go for the higher end models. I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there Strictly Mikrotik options for this include: RB1100 - not available at this time due to backorders and EVERY distributor. RB800 + RB816 - The 816 board is around, but the RB800 (like the 1100) is hard to come by. RB1100 will be around $400 and the RB800 with expansion will be around $475-500. RB1100 has 13GigE ports while the RB800+816 will have 19 total ports with 3 GigE and 16 10/100. FWIW, they both have the same processor and (I think) the same memory. If timing is of essence, then one of the other routers that are out there are your only choice. Every distributor is giving a time frame, but nobody really knows. It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? No. It means that you have the ability to configure 2 groups of actual switch ports. In other words, if you chose to do so, you could have 2 switches + 3 additional ports all in the same box. 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason), there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic. This would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of devices) that may not rely on the same power source. I have not seen a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there. I'm happy to work with you on getting the right parts, but like everyone else, I am at the mercy of MT and the shippers. I would hope that you consider purchasing from my own store, given the time I'm investing in trying to help you understand your options (link is below). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Sure would have been nice if the RB800 or RB1100 had a USB port for monitoring APC UPS's... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there Strictly Mikrotik options for this include: RB1100 - not available at this time due to backorders and EVERY distributor. RB800 + RB816 - The 816 board is around, but the RB800 (like the 1100) is hard to come by. RB1100 will be around $400 and the RB800 with expansion will be around $475-500. RB1100 has 13GigE ports while the RB800+816 will have 19 total ports with 3 GigE and 16 10/100. FWIW, they both have the same processor and (I think) the same memory. If timing is of essence, then one of the other routers that are out there are your only choice. Every distributor is giving a time frame, but nobody really knows. It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? No. It means that you have the ability to configure 2 groups of actual switch ports. In other words, if you chose to do so, you could have 2 switches + 3 additional ports all in the same box. 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason), there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic. This would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of devices) that may not rely on the same power source. I have not seen a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there. I'm happy to work with you on getting the right parts, but like everyone else, I am at the mercy of MT and the shippers. I would hope that you consider purchasing from my own store, given the time I'm investing in trying to help you understand your options (link is below). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
We use a 2 router setup. 1st router is for backhauls. 2nd router is for Customer access (Aps, etc.). A 493 gains us 16 ports (2 are used for uplink between the 2). You can apply different firewall rules on the different routers if you so desire. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:27:05 -0500 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? Sure would have been nice if the RB800 or RB1100 had a USB port for monitoring APC UPS's... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there Strictly Mikrotik options for this include: RB1100 - not available at this time due to backorders and EVERY distributor. RB800 + RB816 - The 816 board is around, but the RB800 (like the 1100) is hard to come by. RB1100 will be around $400 and the RB800 with expansion will be around $475-500. RB1100 has 13GigE ports while the RB800+816 will have 19 total ports with 3 GigE and 16 10/100. FWIW, they both have the same processor and (I think) the same memory. If timing is of essence, then one of the other routers that are out there are your only choice. Every distributor is giving a time frame, but nobody really knows. It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? No. It means that you have the ability to configure 2 groups of actual switch ports. In other words, if you chose to do so, you could have 2 switches + 3 additional ports all in the same box. 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason), there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic. This would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of devices) that may not rely on the same power source. I have not seen a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there. I'm happy to work with you on getting the right parts, but like everyone else, I am at the mercy of MT and the shippers. I would hope that you consider purchasing from my own store, given the time I'm investing in trying to help you understand your options (link is below). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
I like this concept and unintentionally have started doing this. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/1/2010 12:33 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: We use a 2 router setup. 1st router is for backhauls. 2nd router is for Customer access (Aps, etc.). A 493 gains us 16 ports (2 are used for uplink between the 2). You can apply different firewall rules on the different routers if you so desire. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Brad Belton b...@belwave.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:27:05 -0500 *To: *'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? Sure would have been nice if the RB800 or RB1100 had a USB port for monitoring APC UPS's... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there Strictly Mikrotik options for this include: RB1100 - not available at this time due to backorders and EVERY distributor. RB800 + RB816 - The 816 board is around, but the RB800 (like the 1100) is hard to come by. RB1100 will be around $400 and the RB800 with expansion will be around $475-500. RB1100 has 13GigE ports while the RB800+816 will have 19 total ports with 3 GigE and 16 10/100. FWIW, they both have the same processor and (I think) the same memory. If timing is of essence, then one of the other routers that are out there are your only choice. Every distributor is giving a time frame, but nobody really knows. It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? No. It means that you have the ability to configure 2 groups of actual switch ports. In other words, if you chose to do so, you could have 2 switches + 3 additional ports all in the same box. 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason), there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic. This would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of devices) that may not rely on the same power source. I have not seen a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there. I'm happy to work with you on getting the right parts, but like everyone else, I am at the mercy of MT and the shippers. I would hope that you consider purchasing from my own store, given the time I'm investing in trying to help you understand your options (link is below). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
I'd like to have at least 8 ports at every site so that I don't have to include a switch: 2 for backhauls 3 for APs 1 for UPS 1 for remote power control unit 1 for laptop access when technician is there I just looked at the docs for the RB1100... It says thirteen individual gigabit ethernet ports, two 5-port switch groups, and includes ethernet bypass capability Be careful to test UPS and remote power control with the Routerboard you plan to buy. Gigabit ports and 10BASE-T Half-Duplex devices are not good friends, and I had to put a switch just for a remote power control unit once because of this. 10/100 devices perform ok, even if you had to hard-wire the config to something that works. The two questions I have: 1. The 5-port switch groups... Does this mean that the individual ports can't be routed independently of the other 4 ports in the switch group? They can all be routed, bridged or hardware switched; you can route or bridge all ports of all groups, but you can only hardware switch among ports of the same group. Bridging and hardware switching differs only in performance, so some planning is required like grouping low-rate devices (UPS, remote power etc.) on the same group so that if you want to do some high-speed trickery, it could be done. 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? Surviving the death of the RB-1100. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 08:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: 2. The ethernet bypass capability... What's the application for this? This just means that when the router loses power (for whatever reason), there is a pair of ports that will still pass ethernet traffic. This would be useful in the case where you have another device that (or pair of devices) that may not rely on the same power source. I have not seen a good example of where this will be useful in any WISP/tower configuration, though I am certain there may be some out there. It can be useful if you are using the device as a transparent bandwidth manager. Then when the device needs to be powered down, for whatever reason, then traffic will still flow. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Where can I find a list of hardware issues with these? I'm using several and I'm not aware of problems. I'd like to know though... Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? Imho, production of the RB1100 had to be stopped, first release had lots of hw issues Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:18 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Hard to say. There are a number of places that I am aware of that are over 150 back-ordered. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Jon Auer wrote: We prefer the RB1100 because we don't need a inverter for the switch at DC powered sites. Are you using -48VDC at these sites? What are you using to down convert to something operable with the RB1100? 24VDC off a AC-DC UPS module. DC output is regulated to safe range for MT as opposed to battery float voltage. We don't have RB1100s in production on DC sites yet, just RB450G and RB493AH because of RB1100 supply problems. What few RB1100s I have are at aggregation points where we have protected AC power for the MetroE gear. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Does anyone know of a company with stock of these? I am possibly looking for 6-8 of them. Thx, - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was end of November. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Does anyone know of a company with stock of these? I am possibly looking for 6-8 of them. Thx, - Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:49 -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was end of November. My earliest expectation (this is VERY optimistic guess) is third week of November. That's what I'm told from MT and shippers. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Otherwise I'm looking at having to order a half-year's supply right away just in case. (nice thing about MT is one can afford to overbuy to absorb their supply chain issues...) On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:49 -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was end of November. My earliest expectation (this is VERY optimistic guess) is third week of November. That's what I'm told from MT and shippers. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
HEY INDUSTRY!!! WE NEED MORE OF THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT OBVIOUSLY... ;) Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Otherwise I'm looking at having to order a half-year's supply right away just in case. (nice thing about MT is one can afford to overbuy to absorb their supply chain issues...) On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:49 -0400, Chuck Hogg wrote: You and about 30 other WISPs are looking for them. Last I heard was end of November. My earliest expectation (this is VERY optimistic guess) is third week of November. That's what I'm told from MT and shippers. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
12 ports for $400 isn't a bad deal. Kind of hard to get any attention to that product due to the lack of product. Hadn't looked at it till now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Well Butch you like very much to tell people that's not what I said when someone disagrees with you. Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. I wasn't comparing x86...don't even remember typing those characters on my keyboard. What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
What is the power draw of the 1100? On 10/29/2010 04:15 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Well Butch you like very much to tell people that's not what I said when someone disagrees with you. Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. I wasn't comparing x86...don't even remember typing those characters on my keyboard. What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
You did not say x86, but your price point is exactly where several vendors have x86 RouterOS devices with that port density. I made the same assumption Butch did before I even saw his response. On 10/29/2010 7:15 PM, Mark Nash wrote: Well Butch you like very much to tell people that's not what I said when someone disagrees with you. Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. I wasn't comparing x86...don't even remember typing those characters on my keyboard. What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. - Original Message - From: Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 15:31 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Seriously, we are hungry for this type of port density that doesn't cost us $1400... I suppose you are comparing the x86 routers that are available out there to the 1100? It's good to tell jokes on Fridays. I've always liked the Friday Funnies on these lists. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:18 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Hard to say. There are a number of places that I am aware of that are over 150 back-ordered. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took that leap. :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an x86 box and not the power draw of an x86 power supply. My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
Imho, production of the RB1100 had to be stopped, first release had lots of hw issues Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere? On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 17:18 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Any idea if this batch will last with dealers until they get the following shipment? Hard to say. There are a number of places that I am aware of that are over 150 back-ordered. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
WRT your suggestion, +1. At the moment we are rolling cisco switches (3500XL or 2950 if we need RSTP) with one or two RB450G depending on seperation of roles. (If multiple backhauls, site gets a router for handling MPLS) We prefer the RB1100 because we don't need a inverter for the switch at DC powered sites. On Oct 29, 2010 7:05 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 16:15 -0700, Mark Nash wrote: Well That's not what I said. You took th... :-) I only did so because your quoted price was in the range of the x86 systems. I didn't intend to offend, just thought it was funny that the comparison was made. If it wasn't intentional and I read it wrong, then I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Fair enough? What I said was that we need port density. That was no joke. I agree. I have mentioned to MT that they need to build a switch with more than 5 ports, too. Of course, the response was deadly silent. Many many many many MANY times... I need ports ports ports ports but not the horsepower of an ... My suggestion for this is to use whatever box you are gonna need and a low cost managed switch that you can vlan. You can buy Cisco switches off the secondary market for peanuts these days. That gives you the physical ports and you can back it with whatever horsepower you may want/need. If you want it all in one box, then you can build an rb800 with the expansion board for even more ports than you'd get in an rb1100 (and more power, too). -- * Butch Evans ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100U Anywhere?
On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Jon Auer wrote: WRT your suggestion, +1. Agreed. Refurbished Cisco 3500XL's and 2950's can be had for a few hundred. I actually have a few 12, 24, and 48 port 3500XL's which I'm looking to get rid of for cheap. Anyone interested hit me up off list. The only reason we don't want them is because they do not support RSTP and cannot handle MTU's higher than 1500 to support things like MPLS and VPLS. The exception is VLANs; They do automatically increase the supported MTU on a port if it is in 802.1q trunk mode to allow passing of a single VLAN ID. Nothing more. No support for Q-in-Q / VLAN stacking. My apologies to the list if this is not allowed. We prefer the RB1100 because we don't need a inverter for the switch at DC powered sites. Are you using -48VDC at these sites? What are you using to down convert to something operable with the RB1100? -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
