Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Josh Luthman]

Simply put - everything is in one pot.  There are also many capabilities.

One thing I see as a major benefit is the simplicity of CALEA
captures.  No extra work for what's already in place.

On 1/20/09, e...@wisp-router.com  wrote:
> I like to do both. Preference is pppoe but if they don't have a router we do
> dhcp. But with todays radios we often set the radio up to do pppoe.
> One of the nice thing with pppoe is its easy to segregate the clients and
> firewall them and quickly track down an virus infected user and prevent
> clients from infecting each others as well track bit usage on traffic
> between clients as well limit bandwidth utilization between two clients on
> the same ap no way to do with dhcp.
> Also easier to add more ips on a site since pppoe uses /32 networks for
> client ip assignments. So you do not have to route a complete subnet to the
> area just have a "central" pppoe pool and have ospf route things where it
> needs to go.
>
> /Eje
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> Jeremy Davis wrote:
>>> I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's
>>> something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.
>>
>> There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems,
>> change an IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to
>> non-payment portals, use radius to dole out IP address ranges,
>> authentication, encryption, and automatic bandwidth rules via MT's.  These
>> are just a few of the cool things can result with PPPoE / Radius systems.
>> Like David said all of these things can be done without PPPoE but it is a
>> lot easier to control the customer from an external system with these
>> things in place.
>
> I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and
> RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't
> have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or
> whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on
> eBay; they plug it in, it magically works.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[eje]

I like to do both. Preference is pppoe but if they don't have a router we do 
dhcp. But with todays radios we often set the radio up to do pppoe. 
One of the nice thing with pppoe is its easy to segregate the clients and 
firewall them and quickly track down an virus infected user and prevent clients 
from infecting each others as well track bit usage on traffic between clients 
as well limit bandwidth utilization between two clients on the same ap no way 
to do with dhcp. 
Also easier to add more ips on a site since pppoe uses /32 networks for client 
ip assignments. So you do not have to route a complete subnet to the area just 
have a "central" pppoe pool and have ospf route things where it needs to go. 

/Eje
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Jeremy Davis wrote:
>> I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's
>> something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.
> 
> There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems, change 
> an IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to non-payment 
> portals, use radius to dole out IP address ranges, authentication, 
> encryption, and automatic bandwidth rules via MT's.  These are just a few of 
> the cool things can result with PPPoE / Radius systems.  Like David said all 
> of these things can be done without PPPoE but it is a lot easier to control 
> the customer from an external system with these things in place.

I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and 
RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't 
have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or 
whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on 
eBay; they plug it in, it magically works.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Jeremy Davis]

> I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and
> RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't
> have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or
> whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on
> eBay; they plug it in, it magically works.

I try to avoid DHCP like the plague since there is no good way to detect rouge 
DHCP servers on the network.(I.E. plugging your router in backwards)  most 
people have routers that do PPPoE and Motorola canopy can do PPPoE from the SM. 
 So most of the time the customers just plug in the device into the router and 
there isn't a problem.  In most situations the customers do not even know they 
are on PPPoE.

Sincerely,

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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[David E. Smith]

Jeremy Davis wrote:
>> I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's
>> something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.
> 
> There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems, change 
> an IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to non-payment 
> portals, use radius to dole out IP address ranges, authentication, 
> encryption, and automatic bandwidth rules via MT's.  These are just a few of 
> the cool things can result with PPPoE / Radius systems.  Like David said all 
> of these things can be done without PPPoE but it is a lot easier to control 
> the customer from an external system with these things in place.

I just don't see which of those you can't do with simple DHCP and 
RADIUS, and that's a lot easier for the customer. The customer doesn't 
have to set up a PPPOE client on their PC or router or Xbox 360 or 
whatever dumb network appliance they just bought for seventeen bucks on 
eBay; they plug it in, it magically works.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Jeremy Davis]

> I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's
> something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.

There is a lot of cool things you can do with radius / pppoe systems, change an 
IP if they haven't paid which can redirect customers to non-payment portals, 
use radius to dole out IP address ranges, authentication, encryption, and 
automatic bandwidth rules via MT's.  These are just a few of the cool things 
can result with PPPoE / Radius systems.  Like David said all of these things 
can be done without PPPoE but it is a lot easier to control the customer from 
an external system with these things in place.


Sincerely,

Jeremy Davis, CEO
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

PPPoE offer the following advantage to an operator.
1. Allows for central management of a subcriber (all / many aspects of the
subcriber attributes) 
2. Separates the physical network from the subscriber connection. (Which
allows for network changes that could be totally transparent to the
subscribers.
3. Allows for consistent management over different forms of service delivery
networks.
4. Allows for Customer Service / Support Reps not to be  full engineers. 

All of these benefits are of lower value to a network operator with a
small(er) number of low end (less sophisticated / residental or small
business) subscribers. However all of these tend to have a very HIGH value
to network operators who have a large(er) number of such subcribers. 


Faisal Imtiaz

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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Many client radios can do pppoe as well as Windows has it's own pppoe 
> client I am told that works quite well.

(not trolling)

PPPOE requires extra configuration for every client, requires extra
configuration at every tower, and yields relatively little practical benefit
- as shown here, every benefit PPPOE gives you, can be had another way
that's easier on both the network operators and the customers.

I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's something
I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.

(Also, having realized that Mikrotik includes built-in RADIUS relay, I think
that will take care of the original question, and shoulda thought of it
before.)

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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[David E. Smith]

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Many client radios can do pppoe as well as Windows has it's own pppoe
> client I am told that works quite well.

(not trolling)

PPPOE requires extra configuration for every client, requires extra 
configuration at every tower, and yields relatively little practical 
benefit - as shown here, every benefit PPPOE gives you, can be had 
another way that's easier on both the network operators and the customers.

I really don't get the love affair with PPPOE; I assume there's 
something I'm missing, and I've always been curious as to what.

(Also, having realized that Mikrotik includes built-in RADIUS relay, I 
think that will take care of the original question, and shoulda thought 
of it before.)

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Josh Luthman]

Many client radios can do pppoe as well as Windows has it's own pppoe
client I am told that works quite well.

On 1/20/09, Scottie Arnett  wrote:
> Thank You! Nuf said!
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> Scottie
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> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:34:51 -0500
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>>Or radius and a pppoe client.
>>
>>On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the
>>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
>>>
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>>> /*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David E. Smith wrote:
 A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
 throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
 MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply
 say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.

 Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can
 shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks
 or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
 possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be
 even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like
 this.)

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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Scottie Arnett]

Thank You! Nuf said!

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
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Date:  Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:34:51 -0500

>Or radius and a pppoe client.
>
>On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the
>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> /*
>>
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply
>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can
>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks
>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be
>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like
>>> this.)
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Joel White]

We currently use Radius to apply up and down BW throttling at the MT AP, 
without MT clients. Some are some are not, but works the same. Also as 
mentioned through the Access List you can set the throttling on the wireless 
link rather than through a queue.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:14:50 -0600 
From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net"  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? 
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You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the 
AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though. 

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David E. Smith wrote: 
> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth 
> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device 
> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply 
> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done. 
> 
> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can 
> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks 
> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as 
> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be 
> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like 
> this.) 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

then down yes, up no.  The Nanos, you can use pCQ to do a default rate 
limit.

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Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU.
>
> -Cam
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>
> If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the 
> Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your 
> wireless interface properties.
>
> If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the
>
> AP Tx(client download) speeds.
>
> If you add the customers to the access list you can override these 
> default settings.
>
> -Gerard
>
> Cameron Kilton wrote:
>   
>> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
>>
>> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
>> unless other changed manually.
>>
>> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>>
>> Or radius and a pppoe client.
>>
>> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>>   
>>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or
>>>> 
> device
>   
>>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
>>>> 
>> simply
>> 
>>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
>>>> 
>> can
>> 
>>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
>>>> 
>> marks
>> 
>>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
>>>> 
>> be
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Cameron Kilton]

We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU.

-Cam

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the 
Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your 
wireless interface properties.

If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the

AP Tx(client download) speeds.

If you add the customers to the access list you can override these 
default settings.

-Gerard

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
> 
> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
> unless other changed manually.
> 
> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
> 
> Or radius and a pppoe client.
> 
> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> wrote:
>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
> the
>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or
device
>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
> simply
>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
> can
>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
> marks
>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
> be
>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
> like
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Gerard Dupont III]

If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the 
Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your 
wireless interface properties.

If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the 
AP Tx(client download) speeds.

If you add the customers to the access list you can override these 
default settings.

-Gerard

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
> 
> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
> unless other changed manually.
> 
> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
> 
> -Cameron
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
> 
> Or radius and a pppoe client.
> 
> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> wrote:
>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
> the
>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
> simply
>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
> can
>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
> marks
>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
> be
>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
> like
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

With MT clients, yes this is possible.  If you have a simple subnet you 
can do PCQ as well in in your queues if you wish too. 

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Cameron Kilton wrote:
> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
>
> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
> unless other changed manually.
>
> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>
> Or radius and a pppoe client.
>
> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> wrote:
>   
>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
>> 
> the
>   
>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
>>>   
> simply
>   
>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
>>>   
> can
>   
>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
>>>   
> marks
>   
>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
>>>   
> be
>   
>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
>>>   
> like
>   
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Cameron Kilton]

Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 

Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
unless other changed manually.

Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

Or radius and a pppoe client.

On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:
> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
the
> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>
>
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
simply
>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>
>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
can
>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
marks
>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
be
>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
like
>> this.)
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Josh Luthman]

Or radius and a pppoe client.

On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the
> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
>
>
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply
>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>
>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can
>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks
>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be
>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like
>> this.)
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the 
AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.

--
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
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David E. Smith wrote:
> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth 
> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device 
> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply 
> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>
> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can 
> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks 
> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as 
> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be 
> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like 
> this.)
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
>
>
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[WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[David E. Smith]

A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth 
throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device 
MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply 
say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.

Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can 
shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks 
or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as 
possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be 
even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like 
this.)

David Smith
MVN.net



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