Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I disagree with you Rick. Part-15's effort should be supported as well as WISPA's. Different organizations just have different ways that they can help, different resources to offer, and different goals to accomplish. Part-15 took an approach that may had more beurocracy involved and interaction with FEMA and FCC, but its still a method that got started early to fight through the beurocracy sooner, for a possible larger impact long term. WISPA member's support also had its roll to get help out immediately to those that needed it immediately like MAC's group, bypassing the beaurocracy. But all efforts help. At this point, I think most people's intentions are not self-serving, but to help where they can in a time of need. There will be plenty of reward after the fact for people that do assist, wether it is via press, compensation, access to new client's or just plain self satisfaction that the contributor attempted to be a better person. If we looked for corruption, minds could go wild, with possibilties. Imagination could make just about anyone's efforts look self serving. For example, where does the gear go after the crisis is over? But those are all secondary concerns to getting people help. Why shouldn't an association take advantage of benefits gainable associated with giving? So my opinion is put your contribution where you feel most comfortable putting it, but lets not knock anyone's assistence. Its not a competition. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:49 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I retract my previous statement, due to several things on the P15 side of the fence that appear to be ugly. I don't believe P15 is doing this without self promotion in mind. This is an effort that needs to be thankless, and in THAT fact, it will come out that a wireless organization stepped up to the plate, and because of their efforts, a whole lot of people were more comfortable. Imagine, after the city's cleaned up, and we got to collectively KEEP the antenna locations we borrowed to put the network in place, there'd be interviews on tv, etc that asked WISPA officials for their comments on the overall process, and the tag line could be simply Call WISPA today to find out how they can get a local WISP to help you! That said, I'm helping Mac and Johnny in their efforts, directly, for the same reason I never give money to the salvation army or the red cross. I want to know where my money / donations are going and what they're being used for. I think a whole lot of people here ought to think real hard about this new-found relationship with P15 that wouldn't exist without tragedy as the underlying cement. -Original Message- From: Rick Smith Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- No virus found
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
OK guys that's enough. Part-15 is doing what it's doing. We're (wispa) helping with that effort to the degree that we are able to. No more infighting, back-stabbing or other whining. The people in the heart of this mess (the Katrina mess) don't have the time, need, or desire to read this junk. If you don't want to work with a group, don't. If you have a problem beyond that take it up with the board not the world. Thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up Well, I've found myself to be personna non grata all over the place today. Seems every time I open my mouth, I am lauded as a wonderful thinker and a complete idiot all at the same time. Guess I just have some latent knack at stirring people up. I might as well end up getting myself removed from every list... so... Let me respond - though this is NOT an argument. I'd just like to add a little different perspective to what people see... - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I retract my previous statement, due to several things on the P15 side of the fence that appear to be ugly. I don't believe P15 is doing this without self promotion in mind. Whether this is true or not doesn't really matter. I don't think IBM, Intel, Cisco, WalMart, SBC, Microsoft and so on (the list is VERY long, VERY long) who are giving large amounts of money and products to the relief effort do this purely for humanitarian reasons. They plug themselves to every media outlet that will listen and publish... and promote themselves doing so.Does it matter? Well, motives may matter... but probably not to the person who can call his family, or find his family, or try to find a new life becuase someone donated something to make it happen. Does it change our view of these companies and organizations? Probably not. The Lord loveth a cheerful giver. But whether what the giver gave was given cheerfully or grudgingly, it still tends to do the same for the person who gets it. The difference is what it does for the one doing the giving. Let them find thier own reward or shame. This is an effort that needs to be thankless, and in THAT fact, it will come out that a wireless organization stepped up to the plate, and because of their efforts, a whole lot of people were more comfortable. Trust me, it will, for the most part, be thankless. Not a freaking soul's gonna remember (except those who see certain names circulated widely and often in our daily circles) who did what in a year. Imagine, after the city's cleaned up, and we got to collectively KEEP the antenna locations we borrowed to put the network in place, there'd be interviews on tv, etc that asked WISPA officials for their comments on the overall process, and the tag line could be simply Call WISPA today to find out how they can get a local WISP to help you! What a great notion. But isn't that less that perfectly altruistic, as well? Not that I'm criticising it at all. That said, I'm helping Mac and Johnny in their efforts, directly, for the same reason I never give money to the salvation army or the red cross. I want to know where my money / donations are going and what they're being used for. Money I have in almost no quantity. Time and effort I do. I think a whole lot of people here ought to think real hard about this new-found relationship with P15 that wouldn't exist without tragedy as the underlying cement. I would like to think that all of us grow a bit. And if personal frictions result in the future, or even now... Let's not let that get in the way of making the most of every opportunity to do something, no matter what we think of some of those in charge. There'll be plenty of time in the future to hash this out. I think it's a bit distracting now. Do what you think you should do, do it well, and do it as best you can. That's as good as anyone can do, isn't it? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - -Original Message- From: Rick Smith Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat
RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I retract my previous statement, due to several things on the P15 side of the fence that appear to be ugly. I don't believe P15 is doing this without self promotion in mind. This is an effort that needs to be thankless, and in THAT fact, it will come out that a wireless organization stepped up to the plate, and because of their efforts, a whole lot of people were more comfortable. Imagine, after the city's cleaned up, and we got to collectively KEEP the antenna locations we borrowed to put the network in place, there'd be interviews on tv, etc that asked WISPA officials for their comments on the overall process, and the tag line could be simply Call WISPA today to find out how they can get a local WISP to help you! That said, I'm helping Mac and Johnny in their efforts, directly, for the same reason I never give money to the salvation army or the red cross. I want to know where my money / donations are going and what they're being used for. I think a whole lot of people here ought to think real hard about this new-found relationship with P15 that wouldn't exist without tragedy as the underlying cement. -Original Message- From: Rick Smith Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
Guess I'll stick my neck out here and say that I have to agree. Duplication of efforts is NOT what is needed at this point in time... Just my $.02 worth.. Mike Rick Smith wrote: I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
One of our WISPA members, Mac Dearman, has already setup VOIP, Internet, food and shelter for evacuees, He is doing this right now in Louisiana. I do not care who gets the glory on this. I sent Mac $250. He has put out a call for money, food, equipment and people to help him there today. I am sure there are many people and organizations willing to help and I applaud all their efforts including those of Part-15. Right now I consider Mac's effort in place there to be our effort through WISPA and I think he is our front line and we should support him. I say we all give what we can and let those in place doing the work continue to help. I plan to go there myself and help but I cannot right now. So you ask if WISPA missed the boat? Call one of Mac's shelter VOIP lines and ask the evacuees who answers the phone there if we are helping today through Mac's efforts. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
Scriv I appreciate all of you more than you could know. We do not have FEMA or the Red Cross anywhere in our area. If we did I would not be doing what I am doing. It has been left up to whoever will to stand in for these folks. If Part15 will send somebody to this area with what is needed I say lets send it to them, but if they arent coming HERE in my local service area where I see all these needs - - I say ship it to me and I will put out there for their use. What I see needs to be tended to TODAY - - not held up in some bank account until you reach a dollar amount goal. To the moment we have received $1000.00 in funds and I want to thank all of you for that - - - - GEORGE that $300.00 has already made it - - GOD BLESS I know of a family sitting in a shelter right now that does not have the money to buy the wifes diabetes medicine - - - - well, now she does!!! She will have it before 10:00am this morning and they will know that WISPA.org has stepped up. http://65.82.69.13/photo/explorer.php?folder=Evacuees/ (Weds pics) http://65.82.69.13/photo/explorer.php?folder=evacuees2/(Thursday w/voip setups) Thanks Y'all -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4229 318-303-4231 318-450-4349 - Monroe, La 318-303-4227 - NOC John Scrivner wrote: One of our WISPA members, Mac Dearman, has already setup VOIP, Internet, food and shelter for evacuees, He is doing this right now in Louisiana. I do not care who gets the glory on this. I sent Mac $250. He has put out a call for money, food, equipment and people to help him there today. I am sure there are many people and organizations willing to help and I applaud all their efforts including those of Part-15. Right now I consider Mac's effort in place there to be our effort through WISPA and I think he is our front line and we should support him. I say we all give what we can and let those in place doing the work continue to help. I plan to go there myself and help but I cannot right now. So you ask if WISPA missed the boat? Call one of Mac's shelter VOIP lines and ask the evacuees who answers the phone there if we are helping today through Mac's efforts. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
Rick Smith wrote: I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html I don't think wispa is missing the boat. I am a paying member of Part-15 and WISPA. I will support both. Most of the people in WISPA are also either paid or non paid members of Part-15. First and foremost the help that is needed is what it takes to get these folks to make it to tomorrow. They need food cash medicine cash lodging cash clothes cash and to know that America is behind them. Internet is important as well, but the first thing these folks need is to live and get back on their feet. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
Johnny, You are mistaken - - it is not 1 man and its not one shelter. It is 3 Parishes full of evacuees and 11 shelters. (estimated 1100 evacuees) -- Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-303-4229 318-303-4231 318-450-4349 - Monroe, La 318-303-4227 - NOC JohnnyO wrote: Oh lord - here we go - nothing like a good pissin match in the middle of the morning on Friday eh ? I definitely applaud Mac for providing the Internet and VOIP to the shelters his church has setup for the Refugees. We have 4 or 5 shelters in the area that we are providing internet to - no go on VOIP - we are not prepared to do it unfortunately. WISPA does need to stepup and support Part-15.org's efforts as well. To not minimize what Mac or myself or other WISPs down here have done on a SMALL scale, this project Bullit is heading will need help. It's time for you leaders to bury the hatchet and overlook past history for awhile on this one. Scriv helping 1 shelter or supporting the efforts of a major Wireless rollout across 3 states on the coast - well - let's just say - nevermind. Any help that is provided is worth while - I just can't believe that WISPA is so weak that it is ONLY ABLE TO HELP 1 INDIVIDUAL ! Get real man ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up One of our WISPA members, Mac Dearman, has already setup VOIP, Internet, food and shelter for evacuees, He is doing this right now in Louisiana. I do not care who gets the glory on this. I sent Mac $250. He has put out a call for money, food, equipment and people to help him there today. I am sure there are many people and organizations willing to help and I applaud all their efforts including those of Part-15. Right now I consider Mac's effort in place there to be our effort through WISPA and I think he is our front line and we should support him. I say we all give what we can and let those in place doing the work continue to help. I plan to go there myself and help but I cannot right now. So you ask if WISPA missed the boat? Call one of Mac's shelter VOIP lines and ask the evacuees who answers the phone there if we are helping today through Mac's efforts. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: I'm wondering if WISPA has missed the boat for the relief effort. Shouldn't wispa stand behind and work with Part-15 on this one? This isn't a race to look best, but an effort to put WISPs on the map as reliable and trustworthy! http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/equipment.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rudolph Worrell Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up I am not sure where you will be getting uplink service to get out to the world from New Orleans but here is a link to someone who may be able to help with that. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ Quoting Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
Mac Dearman wrote: Johnny, You are mistaken - - it is not 1 man and its not one shelter. It is 3 Parishes full of evacuees and 11 shelters. (estimated 1100 evacuees) Mac do you have an address for people to send money to? Like the name of the church, address phone number etc. I would put a message on my web site for people to donate directly to. I suppose anyone can just give to the Red Cross, etc. But I'm sure cash sent directly to your church would be the most efficient way to donate. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I will add a link on my website as well and post it on the local forums -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up Mac Dearman wrote: Johnny, You are mistaken - - it is not 1 man and its not one shelter. It is 3 Parishes full of evacuees and 11 shelters. (estimated 1100 evacuees) Mac do you have an address for people to send money to? Like the name of the church, address phone number etc. I would put a message on my web site for people to donate directly to. I suppose anyone can just give to the Red Cross, etc. But I'm sure cash sent directly to your church would be the most efficient way to donate. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 09/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 09/01/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up - OFFLIST
Could you please quote one place where I have asked for any person to NOT support any effort including Part-15? By the way, thanks for belittling the efforts of myself and several other WISPA members. I have given $450 in the last 48 hours myself directly to people helping the effort. I would be there physically helping right now if I could. I hope you and everyone gets involved in some way. Please stop bashing me, Mac and WISPA for what we are doing. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Rick, Bullit has a list set up for thier efforts down there. Tehy're organizing an emergency communications response team as we read, so... Get on the list. I'm no fan of Bullit's either, but whatever I may feel personally, doesn't matter. Whoever is putting together action... I'm all for it and will back in any way I can. he has a website and a link to the list on the p-15 website. I'd go tomorrow if I had financial help. I can't even get there with what I have in the bank. sad. This is the time of life when we realize just how badly we need millionaires with a load of money in the bank. Too bad so many people wanted them taxed to oblivion... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up My efforts have been hampered by a busy schedule and a request to our WISPA attorney to find out exactly what we can legally do when it comes to funneling money directly to individual WISPs in need. I can tell you that it is very frustrating to deal with when there are so many people in need. I will try to get something on the website today. Cooperating with Part-15 efforts is fine with me. You will get no chest puffing from this guy either. I have already committed that I will start the WISPA relief fund to help Joe Laura (member of WISPA) who's business and home has been devastated. I will be sending a paypal donation of $1000 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] today to start that fund. Anyone wishing to donate money to this effort, please make a note on the paypal donation form for WISPA Hurricane Relief Fund. Other donations for refugee support should be made through your churches, the Red Cross or directly to Mac Dearman for his local efforts in northern LA. His paypal email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I look at these efforts as multi-leveled. There is no one avenue that is better than another. The fact is that all avenues lead to the same goal and that is to help these poor people in need with everything from money to infrastructure. Arguing about who is better or who is in the lead is childish in my mind. I will send Bullit an email today to see if we can cooperate together in this effort. Thank you, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up Importance: High Oh lord - here we go - nothing like a good pissin match in the middle of the morning on Friday eh ? I definitely applaud Mac for providing the Internet and VOIP to the shelters his church has setup for the Refugees. We have 4 or 5 shelters in the area that we are providing internet to - no go on VOIP - we are not prepared to do it unfortunately. WISPA does need to stepup and support Part-15.org's efforts as well. To not minimize what Mac or myself or other WISPs down here have done on a SMALL scale, this project Bullit is heading will need help. It's time for you leaders to bury the hatchet and overlook past history for awhile on this one. Scriv helping 1 shelter or supporting the efforts of a major Wireless rollout across 3 states on the coast - well - let's just say - nevermind. Any help that is provided is worth while - I just can't believe that WISPA is so weak that it is ONLY ABLE TO HELP 1 INDIVIDUAL ! Get real man ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up One of our WISPA members, Mac Dearman, has already setup VOIP, Internet, food and shelter for evacuees, He is doing this right now in Louisiana. I do not care who gets the glory on this. I sent Mac $250. He has put out a call for money, food, equipment and people to help him there today. I am sure there are many people and organizations willing to help and I
Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up - OFFLIST
Great. That is what we wanted to here. WISPA has opened the door. Rick Harnish wrote: Brian and others, I can tell you that I have spent all day working on an attempt to work with Part-15. This isn't about, WISPA, Part-15 or any personal members of either organization. This IS ALL ABOUT helping those in need. Getting organized together and using WISP resources efficiently and prudently makes total sense. We have opened the door to Part-15 and are working with several manufacturers and people well known to our industry to assist us in this effort to mend fences with Part-15. It is time for all members to stop all the criticism and get behind the effort. Trust me, we are working diligently to get this done. It is a huge effort, more volunteer help is needed. It's time to pull together. Our industry can use this effort to our benefit or we can continue to fracture the industry with criticism of others. The basic fact is this: WISPA members love and believe in our industry and so do Part-15 members! So what is the problem here? We just need to remove the personal barriers that have been built up in the last few years. The only way to do that in my eyes is to shake hands, offer help to each other and work together going forward with goals to accomplish great feats for all of our industry. Respectively, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up - OFFLIST However I don't think we should "get behind" P-15 effort. I would like it to be a joint effort by WISPs, not WISPA, P-15, Cisco, or whoever. Lets do this for the homeless down there with the side benefit of a little name (WISP) recognition. Not for a specific group to "get all the glory". I know WISPA is doing this for the right reasons, but still..Has a WISPA board member contacted P-15? I, as a paid member of WISPA, want to coordinate with P-15 and make this a joint effort. As soon as I get paid I will donate. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: That was not offlist. John Scrivner wrote: Could you please quote one place where I have asked for any person to NOT support any effort including Part-15? By the way, thanks for belittling the efforts of myself and several other WISPA members. I have given $450 in the last 48 hours myself directly to people helping the effort. I would be there physically helping right now if I could. I hope you and everyone gets involved in some way. Please stop bashing me, Mac and WISPA for what we are doing. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Rick, Bullit has a list set up for thier efforts down there. Tehy're organizing an emergency communications response team as we read, so... Get on the list. I'm no fan of Bullit's either, but whatever I may feel personally, doesn't matter. Whoever is putting together action... I'm all for it and will back in any way I can. he has a website and a link to the list on the p-15 website. I'd go tomorrow if I had financial help. I can't even get there with what I have in the bank. sad. This is the time of life when we realize just how badly we need millionaires with a load of money in the bank. Too bad so many people wanted them taxed to oblivion... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] need WISPA to step up My efforts have been hampered by a busy schedule and a request to our WISPA attorney to find out exactly what we can legally do when it comes to funneling money directly to individual WISPs in need. I can tell you that it is very frustrating to deal with when there are so many people in need. I will try to get something on the website today. Cooperating with Part-15 efforts is fine with me. You will get no chest puffing from this guy either. I have already committed that I will start the WISPA relief fund to help Joe Laura (member of WISPA) who's business and home has been devastated. I will be sending a paypal donation of $1000 to [EMAIL PROTECTED] t
[WISPA] need WISPA to step up
I think at this point there is the support needed to provide help for the hurricane, but we need some organization. It seems to me this should be a WISPA lead effort. I think someone from the board should lead the effort or have the board designate a volunteer to lead the effort. We are ready to provide support ourselves. We can offer Tropos equipment for instant Wi-Fi meshes as well as VoIP termination of phone calls. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
