Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181



Hi Mike!!!

I'm glad to see you made it onto the list. 
For those that don't know him, Mike is the owner of Electro-comm. Sharp 
guy and has a LOT of industry contacts.

Help me beat up on him and get him to officially 
sign EC up! grin

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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mike 
  Brownson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:25 
AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber 
  with your wireless deployments?
  We've got a few customers that are mainly fiber carriers and 
  use wireless to extend off that. The fiber business is a whole differnet 
  animal. It can be good, but requires that you really understand what 
  business you're getting into. Especially if you are leasing capacity to 
  other carriers, the audit requirements can get fairly hefty. Most of the 
  fiber folks I know of use the fiber as the primary backhaul for their wireless 
  system and for direct drops into the biggest customers. In one example a 
  school disctict actaully paid for the installation of the fiber to hit all 
  their schools (over 100 miles) but the WISP still owned it and was able to add 
  additional strands for a little extra $. But the school ended picking up 
  90%+ of the total cost. Now that makes the ROI look much 
  better.Mike BJohn J. Thomas wrote:
  Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more between repeaters.

John


  
-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


  We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.

I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


  
I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.

On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-15 Thread John J. Thomas

2 Netgear FSM726   ~ $200 =  $ 400
2 Netgear AGM721F  ~ $285 =  $ 570
2 500 Meter SC SC patch cables ~ 779  =  $1558
+ conduit, trench etc.

is one way to go.

Antoher is ethernet extenders. These will let you go 4000 feet at 16.67 
Megabits per sec over voice grade twisted pair for about $600 per set.

John


-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 09:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

I know distance isn't as much of an issue with fiber, but Marlon talked 
about ethernet *OR* fiber so I guess I was thinking ethernet over 
standard copper and was wondering if I was missing something 
simple/cheap to get/around over the 100m limit.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

John J. Thomas wrote:

Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more 
between repeaters.

John


  

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:



We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.

I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


  

I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.

On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-15 Thread John J. Thomas
:-)  I smile when I read the fiber specs sometimes. I understand that single 
mode was supposed to go 10 km, but some manufacturers got together and figured 
out that they can easily go 70 km. + 

John




-Original Message-
From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 09:10 AM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Graded index 850nm/1300nm multimode, at least back in 1990 or so when I was
a fiber tech, had basic specs that permitted 2km before repeating. I
installed many projects with those distances before repeating. Actual
equipment tolerances would have enabled the real distance to be much
further. And that was with LED-based equipment, not even LASER.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

I know distance isn't as much of an issue with fiber, but Marlon talked 
about ethernet *OR* fiber so I guess I was thinking ethernet over 
standard copper and was wondering if I was missing something 
simple/cheap to get/around over the 100m limit.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

John J. Thomas wrote:

Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or
more between repeaters.

John


  

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:



We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.

I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


  

I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.

On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-15 Thread John J. Thomas
Oops, forgot the link

http://www.patton.com/products/pe_products.asp?category=162tab=fbMiDAS_SessionID=c71906728f2547be800411b59ae3244a

John



-Original Message-
From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 07:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re:  [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


2 Netgear FSM726   ~ $200 =  $ 400
2 Netgear AGM721F  ~ $285 =  $ 570
2 500 Meter SC SC patch cables ~ 779  =  $1558
+ conduit, trench etc.

is one way to go.

Antoher is ethernet extenders. These will let you go 4000 feet at 16.67 
Megabits per sec over voice grade twisted pair for about $600 per set.

John


-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 09:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

I know distance isn't as much of an issue with fiber, but Marlon talked 
about ethernet *OR* fiber so I guess I was thinking ethernet over 
standard copper and was wondering if I was missing something 
simple/cheap to get/around over the 100m limit.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

John J. Thomas wrote:

Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more 
between repeaters.

John


  

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:



We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.

I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


  

I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.

On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-14 Thread Sam Tetherow
I know distance isn't as much of an issue with fiber, but Marlon talked 
about ethernet *OR* fiber so I guess I was thinking ethernet over 
standard copper and was wondering if I was missing something 
simple/cheap to get/around over the 100m limit.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

John J. Thomas wrote:


Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more 
between repeaters.

John


 


-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.


  Sam Tetherow
  Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

   

We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.


I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


 


I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.


On or off list replys welcome.

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-14 Thread Patrick Leary
Graded index 850nm/1300nm multimode, at least back in 1990 or so when I was
a fiber tech, had basic specs that permitted 2km before repeating. I
installed many projects with those distances before repeating. Actual
equipment tolerances would have enabled the real distance to be much
further. And that was with LED-based equipment, not even LASER.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

I know distance isn't as much of an issue with fiber, but Marlon talked 
about ethernet *OR* fiber so I guess I was thinking ethernet over 
standard copper and was wondering if I was missing something 
simple/cheap to get/around over the 100m limit.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

John J. Thomas wrote:

Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or
more between repeaters.

John


  

-Original Message-
From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:



We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.

I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?


  

I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.

On or off list replys welcome.

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not built my 
own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.


I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all out 
down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in at that 
time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of the down town 
businesses today!  sigh


Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?



I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.


On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?

2006-07-13 Thread Sam Tetherow
Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet?  I thought you were 
restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a 
switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something?  
I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an 
affordable use of them.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul.  I've not 
built my own fiber yet.  I'm sure the day is coming though.


I really screwed up a few years ago.  The town had the sidewalks all 
out down town.  I should have found the money and put some conduit in 
at that time.  I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of 
the down town businesses today!  sigh


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- Original Message - From: Mike Delp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?



I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement
their wireless operations.  We have a couple of leads we are looking at
making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities 
get
involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the 
venture.


On or off list replys welcome.

Thanks

Mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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