Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Ryan, Thanks for that method, too. I've done something similar with Delorme's TopoUSA software. But I'm coming to the conclusion that Google Earth is probably fine for around here. It is flat enough that the trees block the signal within a mile or so. -John (pinning my hopes on the whitespaces...) PS to Mike Hammett: I've tried using Radio Mobile twice. Spent two+ hours each time and never figured it out at all. Someday, I hope to devote more time to it. On December 29, at 1:43 AM December 29, D. Ryan Spott wrote: As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Thanks. I don't understand it, but I did it 3 times. You can do a lot with line of sight. 11 miles on 2.4 is never a problem for us when we have it. It is hard for me to visualize your terrain or what a grain leg even is, but I guess it must be like a silo or something. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
It took me a bit at first. Once I figured it out, I considered my time investment invaluable. Now if only I knew all the ins and outs of the program. I know I don't use it to its potential. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Ryan, Thanks for that method, too. I've done something similar with Delorme's TopoUSA software. But I'm coming to the conclusion that Google Earth is probably fine for around here. It is flat enough that the trees block the signal within a mile or so. -John (pinning my hopes on the whitespaces...) PS to Mike Hammett: I've tried using Radio Mobile twice. Spent two+ hours each time and never figured it out at all. Someday, I hope to devote more time to it. On December 29, at 1:43 AM December 29, D. Ryan Spott wrote: As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
These are silos: http://www.plant.uoguelph.ca/performance_recommendations/ofcc/pub/SILO.htg/silo2.gif The round things are bins and the center is a grain leg aka bucket elevator: http://www.grainbinsupply.com/images/bins.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ralphlists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Thanks. I don't understand it, but I did it 3 times. You can do a lot with line of sight. 11 miles on 2.4 is never a problem for us when we have it. It is hard for me to visualize your terrain or what a grain leg even is, but I guess it must be like a silo or something. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
I have users on 2.4GHz at a range of 30+ miles with clear LoS. On 5.8GHz I have links over 25 miles with clear LoS. Just wish I could get that 900MHz stuff to work better. John Valenti wrote: Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
http://www.wmwisp.net/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=13 Click on the picture for Koeman Farms and you will see a grain leg. ralphlists wrote: Thanks. I don't understand it, but I did it 3 times. You can do a lot with line of sight. 11 miles on 2.4 is never a problem for us when we have it. It is hard for me to visualize your terrain or what a grain leg even is, but I guess it must be like a silo or something. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Ahh Thanks. I had envisioned something like that, but figured the legs would be the leggy things extending out. You just mount your stuff on the top of that tower, then, I guess. Not a lot of them around N GA, but we got lots of pine trees :-) Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? These are silos: http://www.plant.uoguelph.ca/performance_recommendations/ofcc/pub/SILO.htg/s ilo2.gif The round things are bins and the center is a grain leg aka bucket elevator: http://www.grainbinsupply.com/images/bins.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ralphlists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Thanks. I don't understand it, but I did it 3 times. You can do a lot with line of sight. 11 miles on 2.4 is never a problem for us when we have it. It is hard for me to visualize your terrain or what a grain leg even is, but I guess it must be like a silo or something. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Wow, thank you! (really meant to send that message directly to you, but now the list can see your plots, too) It is flat here, but the trees are the problem for RF. Do I understand the last plot correctly: that ignoring trees, a 2.4GHz signal would work for ~12 miles? Amazing. I feel lucky when I can get a 2.4 customer connected at better than -80, and they are usually within a mile of a grain leg. On December 29, at 1:54 AM December 29, ralphlists wrote: Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Does that really take any less time than just doing it in Radio Mobile? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? John, As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. Then she tosses those coordinates into Topo and uses the compass tool to draw a line from the tower to the customer. The software can then do a quick walk along that line much like you describe below. The output gives a pretty good idea of wether or not the link tries to go through any rocks. I _really_ love Radio Mobile tho! Topo costs around 50-100 bucks and can hook to your GPS if needed. ryan On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:30 PM, John Valenti wrote: Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
For me? Not really. For my wife (or whomever you have working the phone) yes. ;) Just an option... Not a requirement. ryan -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: 12/29/07 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Does that really take any less time than just doing it in Radio Mobile? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? John, As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. Then she tosses those coordinates into Topo and uses the compass tool to draw a line from the tower to the customer. The software can then do a quick walk along that line much like you describe below. The output gives a pretty good idea of wether or not the link tries to go through any rocks. I _really_ love Radio Mobile tho! Topo costs around 50-100 bucks and can hook to your GPS if needed. ryan On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:30 PM, John Valenti wrote: Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Brian Webster does this. www.wirelessmapping.com He does a great job, and the price is well worth it. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralphlists Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Sure I will do it. Probably be Sat afternoon b4 I can though. Gotta do a router upgrade at one of our POPs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Radio Mobile? Patrick Leary wrote: The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Thanks guys. I thought that was it. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Radio mobile This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** * *** *** *** *** *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Sure I will do it. Probably be Sat afternoon b4 I can though. Gotta do a router upgrade at one of our POPs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
John, As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. Then she tosses those coordinates into Topo and uses the compass tool to draw a line from the tower to the customer. The software can then do a quick walk along that line much like you describe below. The output gives a pretty good idea of wether or not the link tries to go through any rocks. I _really_ love Radio Mobile tho! Topo costs around 50-100 bucks and can hook to your GPS if needed. ryan On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:30 PM, John Valenti wrote: Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
