Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
The disadvantage of 5.8, is that you never know what you are gonna get until 
its up in the air, because you dont know the noise floor you'll see.

The advantage of millimenter wave (I consider 24Ghz millimeter wave) is that 
the beam width is extremely narrow, and few people use it because of the 
distance limit, and difficulty to mount stationary. As well, it only allows low 
power ptp for everyone using the band, so you never have some unexpected high 
power PTP link or wide beam PtMP showing up to cause you interference like in 
5.8G. So its often considered inteference-free, allthough it is possible to get 
interference. In general you can expect to get full radio speed. Millimeter 
wave can go far, out in the dry desert. But in high rain zones, it does not. I 
never recommend over 2 miles with 24Ghz and 2ft dishes in Mid East coast rain 
zones.  For 20km and high capacity, I'd still suggest Licensed, since licensed 
gear is getting more affordable every day, and there again, you get full radio 
speed, because you know the noise floor and link budget in advance.

With UBNT MIMO (dual pol) and 20Mhz channels, 5.8G, and a noise free channel, 
2ft dish, you can get as much as 80mbps HDX.
But I never count on more than 40mbps HDX, until after I know the noise floor 
for the link, considering typical noise floors I often see in my areas.
   
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Moldashel 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2


  Not on a 10 Mb channel and not in the 5.4 Ghz band.  The distance is too 
great.  If you go to 5.8 GHz. band you will need to use a 32 MHz. channel.

  -B-




  On 9/28/2011 1:30 PM, Julius Igugu wrote: 
Hi,

How does this perform under very noisy conditions/interference?

I have a UBNT Rocket M5 on a 20.3km link signal with 10MHz channel size is 
about -60dBm on both ends and can only do about 30Mbps one way.  Will the Exalt 
perform better?  I need at least 50Mbps full duplex.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Julius Igugu
Lightning Networks


On 9/27/2011 7:57 PM, Me wrote: 
  5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 
440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-30 Thread Dorn Hetzel
Can you use more dish to improve the situation or is it diminishing returns
past 2ft dish on each end?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 **
 The disadvantage of 5.8, is that you never know what you are gonna get
 until its up in the air, because you dont know the noise floor you'll see.

 The advantage of millimenter wave (I consider 24Ghz millimeter wave) is
 that the beam width is extremely narrow, and few people use it because of
 the distance limit, and difficulty to mount stationary. As well, it only
 allows low power ptp for everyone using the band, so you never have some
 unexpected high power PTP link or wide beam PtMP showing up to cause you
 interference like in 5.8G. So its often considered inteference-free,
 allthough it is possible to get interference. In general you can expect to
 get full radio speed. Millimeter wave can go far, out in the dry desert. But
 in high rain zones, it does not. I never recommend over 2 miles with 24Ghz
 and 2ft dishes in Mid East coast rain zones.  For 20km and high capacity,
 I'd still suggest Licensed, since licensed gear is getting more affordable
 every day, and there again, you get full radio speed, because you know the
 noise floor and link budget in advance.

 With UBNT MIMO (dual pol) and 20Mhz channels, 5.8G, and a noise
 free channel, 2ft dish, you can get as much as 80mbps HDX.
 But I never count on more than 40mbps HDX, until after I know the noise
 floor for the link, considering typical noise floors I often see in my
 areas.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:47 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

 Not on a 10 Mb channel and not in the 5.4 Ghz band.  The distance is too
 great.  If you go to 5.8 GHz. band you will need to use a 32 MHz. channel.

 -B-




 On 9/28/2011 1:30 PM, Julius Igugu wrote:

 Hi,

 How does this perform under very noisy conditions/interference?

 I have a UBNT Rocket M5 on a 20.3km link signal with 10MHz channel size is
 about -60dBm on both ends and can only do about 30Mbps one way.  Will the
 Exalt perform better?  I need at least 50Mbps full duplex.

 Thanks for any suggestions.

 Julius Igugu
 Lightning Networks


 On 9/27/2011 7:57 PM, Me wrote:

 5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440
 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

 *Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless*


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-28 Thread Julius Igugu

Hi,

How does this perform under very noisy conditions/interference?

I have a UBNT Rocket M5 on a 20.3km link signal with 10MHz channel size 
is about -60dBm on both ends and can only do about 30Mbps one way.  Will 
the Exalt perform better?  I need at least 50Mbps full duplex.


Thanks for any suggestions.

Julius Igugu
Lightning Networks


On 9/27/2011 7:57 PM, Me wrote:
5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
Keep in mind I am not talking Motorola branded units.  I am talking 
Orthogon branded units which Motorola assured us over and over again 
would not be an issue once the transfer was complete.  But it was.


Maybe the Motorola supplies are different but we just changed one about 
5 weeks ago.   Dead as a door nail.


-B-




On 9/27/2011 7:46 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


We haven't seen those issues, rmas are provided without much questions 
asked..., never had an issue with PS either, got them on un vented 
enclosures


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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:55 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Honestly. Due to repair issues with Motorola we did not even 
consider them in any of our testing.  And now that the product line 
has changed hands again.. I am glad we didn't.


I know alot of people have had great experience with Motorola.  I was 
sold on the Orthogon line when it first came out and we deployed one 
of the early versions of their PtP links with great results.  Motorola 
bought them out and we got the run around when it came time to get 
Orthogon equipment repaired. Still have 3 or 4 radios in the box that 
need repair.


In addition, the power supplies run very hot. In a years time we 
probably go through 3-4 power supplies (with 11 links in service).


It might work fine.I just don't know and don't want to get stuck 
with something that may become obsolete or not supported...


-B-



On 9/27/2011 7:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:


We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro
NYC area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not
blacklisted channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.

There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple
math will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is
aggregate with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.

Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp
radios for such application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg
duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a
24Ghz link ?)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet  Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net  
mailto:supp...@snappydsl.net


On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able
to get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get
up to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper
than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-28 Thread Bob Moldashel
Not on a 10 Mb channel and not in the 5.4 Ghz band.  The distance is too 
great.  If you go to 5.8 GHz. band you will need to use a 32 MHz. channel.


-B-




On 9/28/2011 1:30 PM, Julius Igugu wrote:

Hi,

How does this perform under very noisy conditions/interference?

I have a UBNT Rocket M5 on a 20.3km link signal with 10MHz channel 
size is about -60dBm on both ends and can only do about 30Mbps one 
way.  Will the Exalt perform better?  I need at least 50Mbps full duplex.


Thanks for any suggestions.

Julius Igugu
Lightning Networks


On 9/27/2011 7:57 PM, Me wrote:
5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


/Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/


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To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org*
Sent: *Tue, Sep 27, 2011 18:47:55 GMT+00:00*
Subject: *Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2




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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Nick W
Alignment can be a pain, but once it's set up it's solid. Make sure they're
mounted to something solid. I have one shooting ~3 miles and can push
100/100 Mbps through it.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jawad A Hai ahja...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
 Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the
 product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about
 100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5
 ghz band its really crowded.
 The price band is around 10k USD.
 Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
 Appreciate your support.

 Aali




 
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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Me
5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440  
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Me
Let me clarify.A 160 Mbps Extendair will give you close to 100 for about  
30 percent less with 2 year warranty


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Mathew Howard
If I remember correctly that's a re-branded SAF. We have a SAF Lumina 24ghz 
unlicensed link, and it's been working flawlessly and does exactly what was 
promised. It's basically the exact same stuff as their licensed radios. 
5 KM shouldn't be a problem for 24GHZ, but I think that does depend on where 
you are, since 24ghz is supposed to be pretty sensitive to rain fade.

You may want to look at the SAF Lumina, I think our link was right around $10k, 
but it can do up to 366Mbps.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Hello,

Have any body used this product LIGOPTP24-2.
Its on 24 GHZ unlicensed spectrum, does not need an IDU unit. How is the 
product and does it really delivers what the vendor promises. I need about 
100 Mbps link, sites have LOS, distance is around 5 KM. don't wanna use 5 
ghz band its really crowded.
The price band is around 10k USD.
Or can any body suggest me a product in same lines ???
Appreciate your support.

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Mathew Howard
3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Gino Villarini
For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
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Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense
of this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

  For 100 mbps fdx? 

 ** **

 Gino A. Villarini

 g...@aeronetpr.com

 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

 787.273.4143

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

 ** **

 3.65ghz could be an option as well.

 ** **

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Me
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

 ** **

 5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440
 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Mathew Howard
The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing 
stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links 
(ours is less than 2 miles).

You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios 
for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you 
have no license fees.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend 
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense of 
this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'

Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Gino Villarini
yes, and with good shopping you can get them for way less than $10k

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

The main reason for doing it is that you don't have to wait for the licensing 
stuff to go through, and there aren't really any disadvantages for short links 
(ours is less than 2 miles).

You can actually get 366mbps with 24ghz for $10k - SAF makes the same radios 
for the same price for 24ghz unlicensed as they do for licensed stuff, but you 
have no license fees.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

Why spend $10k for a 24ghz unlicensed link and 100 mbps when you could spend 
$12k for a licensed link and 366 mbps?  Small amount of money (in the sense of 
this project) for a much greater return.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143tel:787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'

Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Mathew Howard
Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for 
such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz 
link ?)


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Gino Villarini
PTP600 does 150 mbps duplex on 30 mhz

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such 
application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered 
using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?)

:)


Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet  Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, Fl 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: 
supp...@snappydsl.netmailto:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Me
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Bob Moldashel
We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area 
and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or 
shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.


There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math 
will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate 
with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.


Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios 
for such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz 
link ?)


:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


/Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/



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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Cool. Nice this is the info I was looking for.. BTW can u share what one 
can expect to pay (cost) of such a link ?


Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 9/27/2011 7:21 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC 
area and Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted 
channels or shut down on false DFS hits related to noise.


There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math 
will provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate 
with 50/50, 65/35 or 80/20 data splits.


Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios 
for such application ?

(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you 
considered using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 
24Ghz link ?)


:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:


Umm... no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to 
get pretty close to 100mbps aggregate.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:19 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:10 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

3.65ghz could be an option as well.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Me

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:57 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up 
to 440 aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a 
Ligowave W4 Ghz


/Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless/



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Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

2011-09-27 Thread Gino Villarini
How the Motorola PTP units did on your tests?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Bob Moldashel 
lakel...@gbcx.netmailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

We have tested several manufacturers radios on 5.4 in the metro NYC area and 
Exalt is the only manufacturer that has not blacklisted channels or shut down 
on false DFS hits related to noise.

There are others but this is my preference.

Exalt (EX5r) will provide 440 Mbps on a 64 MHz. channel. Simple math will 
provide throughput for 32/16/8 Mhz. channels. This is aggregate with 50/50, 
65/35 or 80/20 data splits.

Also single polarity.

-B-




On 9/27/2011 4:14 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
What makes the Exalt  Radios on 5.4 better than any other ptp radios for such 
application ?
(doing MIMO on a 40Mhz channel will /should provide approx 90meg duplex).

??

(I guess you are suggesting to the original poster Have you considered 
using 5.4 Mimo Radios before you spend the bucks on a 24Ghz link ?)

:)

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On 9/27/2011 3:48 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Umm… no, not 100mbps fdx, but I would think you should be able to get pretty 
close to 100mbps aggregate.

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For 100 mbps fdx?

Gino A. Villarini
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
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3.65ghz could be an option as well.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] LIGOWAVE PTP24-2

5.4 GHz has to be open.  Use an Exalt link on 5:4 and you can get up to 440 
aggregate with an 80/20 traffic split.  Much cheaper than a Ligowave W4 Ghz

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