Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Frank Crawford]

Thanks Jack, I'm interested in such governmental actions around the 
world and the ways that it will be worked around.

Frank

On 1/27/2011 9:06 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>
> ***
> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action unprecedented 
> in
> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service
> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. Critical
> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for 
> now.
> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website,
> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian 
> ISPs
> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. 
> Link
> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers 
> and
> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>
> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually simultaneous
> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global routing
> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no
> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange Internet
> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet
> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>
> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Stuart Pierce]

Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.

-- Original Message --
From: Jack Unger 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800

>Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>
>***
>Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action unprecedented 
>in 
>Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service 
>providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. Critical 
>European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for 
>now. 
>But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, 
>school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian 
>ISPs 
>for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. 
>Link 
>Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers 
>and 
>partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>
>At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually simultaneous 
>withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global routing 
>table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no 
>valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange Internet 
>traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet 
>addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Bob Moldashel]

Now if we could just get Nigeria and Romania to have an uprising the  
Internet would be safe once again!


BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania that  
has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to  
Internet scams


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-Original message-
From: Stuart Pierce 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 13:03:26 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.

-- Original Message --
From: Jack Unger 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800


Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.

 

***
Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action  
unprecedented in 
Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service 
providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet.  
Critical 
European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for  
now. 
But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, 
school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian  
ISPs 
for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world.  
Link 
Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers  
and 

partners are, for the moment, off the air.

At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually  
simultaneous 
withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global  
routing 
table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no  


valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange  
Internet 
traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet 
addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.


 





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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Fred Goldstein]

At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:

BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" 
Romania that has more Western Union offices than New York has 
Starbucks all due to Internet scams

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Blake Covarrubias]

Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?

I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I received 
one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but haven't heard 
anything since.

The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due to 
phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually we just 
email or Skype.

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On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:
> 
>> BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania that 
>> has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
>> Internet scams
>> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
> 
> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too.
> ;-)
> 
> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses 
> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards of 
> the past.)
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Jack Unger]

I don't know but this link might yield more information. 


jack


On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?
>
> I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I 
> received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but 
> haven't heard anything since.
>
> The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due to 
> phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually we 
> just email or Skype.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
>> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:
>>
>>> BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania 
>>> that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
>>> Internet scams
>>> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too.
>> ;-)
>>
>> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses 
>> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards 
>> of the past.)
>>   --
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Jack Unger]

Here's more 


On 1/28/2011 1:50 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> I don't know but this link might yield more information.
> 
>
> jack
>
>
> On 1/28/2011 1:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?
>>
>> I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I 
>> received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but 
>> haven't heard anything since.
>>
>> The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due 
>> to phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually 
>> we just email or Skype.
>>
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>>
>>> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:
>>>
 BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania 
 that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
 Internet scams
 Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>>> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too.
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses 
>>> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards 
>>> of the past.)
>>>--
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Mike Hammett]

I think the PSTN is just full.  That darn over-subscription!

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On 1/28/2011 3:06 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Does anyone know if the PSTN is still operating in Egypt?
>
> I'm trying to get ahold of my sister who was attending school there. I 
> received one email a few days ago just as the riots were starting, but 
> haven't heard anything since.
>
> The landline and cell numbers I had for her are either no good, or out due to 
> phone infrastructure failure. I haven't called them in a while. Usually we 
> just email or Skype.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
>> At 1/28/2011 08:13 AM, BobM wrote:
>>
>>> BTW. Great article this month in 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" Romania 
>>> that has more Western Union offices than New York has Starbucks all due to 
>>> Internet scams
>>> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
>> Yes, 2843$ '!=!<8"3 !+975 ! _856 8" is one of my favorite newspapers too.
>> ;-)
>>
>> (Hmmm, the Droid doesn't have a numeric row on its hard keyboard; it uses 
>> something reminiscent of the LTRS/FIGS shift on the 3-row Baudot keyboards 
>> of the past.)
>>   --
>>   Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>   ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
>>   +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I am sorry but that is a cheap shot

I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from here 
in the US though.

:)

Faisal

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:

> Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Jack Unger 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
> 
>> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>> 
>> ***
>> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action unprecedented 
>> in 
>> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service 
>> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. 
>> Critical 
>> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected for 
>> now. 
>> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, website, 
>> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian 
>> ISPs 
>> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world. 
>> Link 
>> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their customers 
>> and 
>> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>> 
>> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually 
>> simultaneous 
>> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global 
>> routing 
>> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving no 
>> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange 
>> Internet 
>> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet 
>> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
>> Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[chris]

They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go 
through Egypt..

Chris

-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

I am sorry but that is a cheap shot

I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from 
here in the US though.

:)

Faisal

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:

> Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Jack Unger 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>
>> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>>
>> ***
>> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action 
>> unprecedented in
>> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service
>> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. 
>> Critical
>> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected 
>> for now.
>> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, 
>> website,
>> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four 
>> Egyptian ISPs
>> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the 
>> world. Link
>> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their 
>> customers and
>> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>>
>> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually 
>> simultaneous
>> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global 
>> routing
>> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving 
>> no
>> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange 
>> Internet
>> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet
>> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

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> and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs for their
Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world

Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .

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They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go 
through Egypt..

Chris

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Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

I am sorry but that is a cheap shot

I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from 
here in the US though.

:)

Faisal

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:

> Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Jack Unger 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>
>> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>>
>>

***
>> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action 
>> unprecedented in
>> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service
>> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. 
>> Critical
>> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected 
>> for now.
>> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, 
>> website,
>> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four 
>> Egyptian ISPs
>> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the 
>> world. Link
>> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their 
>> customers and
>> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>>
>> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually 
>> simultaneous
>> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global 
>> routing
>> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving 
>> no
>> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange 
>> Internet
>> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet
>> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>>
>>


>>
>>
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>> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
>> Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Marco Coelho]

Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we speak.
I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then mind
control.





On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband  wrote:

>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
>
> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into …
>
> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
>
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> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>
> They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go
>
> through Egypt..
>
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
>
> To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>
> I am sorry but that is a cheap shot
>
> I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from
>
> here in the US though.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal
>
> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:
>
> > Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>
> >
>
> > -- Original Message --
>
> > From: Jack Unger 
>
> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>
> > Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>
> >
>
> >> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>
> >>
>
> >>
> ***
>
> >> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action
>
> >> unprecedented in
>
> >> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered
> service
>
> >> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet.
>
> >> Critical
>
> >> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected
>
> >> for now.
>
> >> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe,
>
> >> website,
>
> >> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four
>
> >> Egyptian ISPs
>
> >> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the
>
> >> world. Link
>
> >> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their
>
> >> customers and
>
> >> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>
> >>
>
> >> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually
>
> >> simultaneous
>
> >> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global
>
> >> routing
>
> >> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving
>
>
> >> no
>
> >> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange
>
> >> Internet
>
> >> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's
> Internet
>
> >> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>
> >>
>
> >>
> 
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> --
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>
> >> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[St. Louis Broadband]

Article I published on my blog:
http://farmingtonmo.us/blog/2151/the-state-of-the-net/

 

 

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From: Marco Coelho [mailto:coelh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:19 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

 

Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we speak.
I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then mind
control.






On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:

> and government office that relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs for their
Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world

Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

www.ShowMeBroadband.com

www.StLouisBroadband.com

 <http://farmingtonforum.com/> www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go 

through Egypt..

Chris

-Original Message- 

From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM

To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

I am sorry but that is a cheap shot

I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from 

here in the US though.

:)

Faisal

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:

> Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.

> 

> -- Original Message --

> From: Jack Unger 

> Reply-To: WISPA General List 

> Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800

> 

>> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.

>> 

>>

***

>> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action 

>> unprecedented in

>> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered service

>> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet. 

>> Critical

>> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected 

>> for now.

>> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe, 

>> website,

>> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four 

>> Egyptian ISPs

>> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the 

>> world. Link

>> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their 

>> customers and

>> partners are, for the moment, off the air.

>> 

>> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually 

>> simultaneous

>> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global 

>> routing

>> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving 

>> no

>> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange 

>> Internet

>> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's Internet

>> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.

>> 

>>



>> 

>> 

>> -- 

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>> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"

>> Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993

>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Mike Hammett]

Could, but highly unlikely.  There is far too much middle mile\long-haul 
competition and too many independent ISPs for that to happen soon.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 1/29/2011 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:


>and government office that*/relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs/*for 
their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world


Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into...

***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_

___www.StLouisBroadband.com_

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com

Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go

through Egypt..

Chris

-Original Message-

From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM

To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

I am sorry but that is a cheap shot

I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam 
from


here in the US though.

:)

Faisal

On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:

> Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.

>

> -- Original Message --

> From: Jack Unger 

> Reply-To: WISPA General List 

> Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800

>

>> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.

>>

>> 
***


>> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action

>> unprecedented in

>> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered 
service


>> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet.

>> Critical

>> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected

>> for now.

>> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe,

>> website,

>> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four

>> Egyptian ISPs

>> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the

>> world. Link

>> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their

>> customers and

>> partners are, for the moment, off the air.

>>

>> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually

>> simultaneous

>> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global

>> routing

>> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, 
leaving


>> no

>> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange

>> Internet

>> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's 
Internet


>> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.

>>

>> 



>>

>>

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>> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks"

>> Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993

>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com

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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Stuart Pierce]

They can't stop the Godz Rock'n'Roll Machines !

-- Original Message --
From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:18:53 -0600

>Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we speak.
>I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then mind
>control.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband > wrote:
>
>>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
>> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
>>
>> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into …
>>
>> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
>>
>> *www.ShowMeBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.StLouisBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.FarmingtonForum.com* <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
>>
>> 314-974-5600
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go
>>
>> through Egypt..
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
>>
>> To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> I am sorry but that is a cheap shot
>>
>> I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam from
>>
>> here in the US though.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:
>>
>> > Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -- Original Message --
>>
>> > From: Jack Unger 
>>
>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> > Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>> ***
>>
>> >> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action
>>
>> >> unprecedented in
>>
>> >> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered
>> service
>>
>> >> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet.
>>
>> >> Critical
>>
>> >> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be unaffected
>>
>> >> for now.
>>
>> >> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe,
>>
>> >> website,
>>
>> >> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four
>>
>> >> Egyptian ISPs
>>
>> >> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the
>>
>> >> world. Link
>>
>> >> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their
>>
>> >> customers and
>>
>> >> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually
>>
>> >> simultaneous
>>
>> >> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in the Internet's global
>>
>> >> routing
>>
>> >> table. Approximately 3,500 individual BGP routes were withdrawn, leaving
>>
>>
>> >> no
>>
>> >> valid paths by which the rest of the world could continue to exchange
>>
>> >> Internet
>>
>> >> traffic with Egypt's service providers. Virtually all of Egypt's
>> Internet
>>
>> >> addresses are now unreachable, worldwide.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>> 
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>
>> >> Author (2003) - "Deploying License-Free W

Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Marco Coelho]

Here's a slashdot article:

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/01/30/0044222/Internet-Kill-Switch-Back-On-the-US-Legislative-Agenda



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Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Tom DeReggi]

Yeah, why do you think the Feds fund 1 large broadband winner per area? 
Reducing the number of broadband providers way simplifies feds taking 
control over them, if ever needed.  Same thing with meet-me-points between 
middle and last mile located in Schools and government buildings. Critical 
infrastructure is now on Government property to ease Feds gaining access to 
it.

If you ask me... The USA needs to continue to lead by example. Example of a 
Free Internet, Free from Government control.
The last thing the USA should do is try to immulate Egypt's mis-use to 
censor it's people.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart Pierce" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet



They can't stop the Godz Rock'n'Roll Machines !

-- Original Message --
From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:18:53 -0600

>Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we speak.
>I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then mind
>control.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
>> wrote:
>
>>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
>> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
>>
>> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .
>>
>> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
>>
>> *www.ShowMeBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.StLouisBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.FarmingtonForum.com* <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
>>
>> 314-974-5600
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go
>>
>> through Egypt..
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
>>
>> To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> I am sorry but that is a cheap shot
>>
>> I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam 
>> from
>>
>> here in the US though.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:
>>
>> > Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -- Original Message --
>>
>> > From: Jack Unger 
>>
>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> > Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>> ***
>>
>> >> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action
>>
>> >> unprecedented in
>>
>> >> Internet history, the Egyptian government appears to have ordered
>> service
>>
>> >> providers to shut down all international connections to the Internet.
>>
>> >> Critical
>>
>> >> European-Asian fiber-optic routes through Egypt appear to be 
>> >> unaffected
>>
>> >> for now.
>>
>> >> But every Egyptian provider, every business, bank, Internet cafe,
>>
>> >> website,
>>
>> >> school, embassy, and government office that relied on the big four
>>
>> >> Egyptian ISPs
>>
>> >> for their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the
>>
>> >> world. Link
>>
>> >> Egypt, Vodafone/Raya, Telecom Egypt, Etisalat Misr, and all their
>>
>> >> customers and
>>
>> >> partners are, for the moment, off the air.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> At 22:34 UTC (00:34am local time), Renesys observed the virtually
>>
>> >> simultaneous
>>
>> >> withdrawal of all routes to Egyptian networks in th

Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Marco Coelho]

I don't know how many of you were in this business when 9/11 came about.  A
while after that the internet backbone came to a crawl.  I called a friend
of mine that worked for the same people I used to and he told me about all
the monitoring points the gov just installed at the peer points.  It took
them about a month to fix the performance hit they caused (not too sneaky).
Ya gotta love the NSA...  biggest spook agency in the nation, but most
americans don't know they exist.  NRO only beats them by $$.



On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Yeah, why do you think the Feds fund 1 large broadband winner per area?
> Reducing the number of broadband providers way simplifies feds taking
> control over them, if ever needed.  Same thing with meet-me-points between
> middle and last mile located in Schools and government buildings. Critical
> infrastructure is now on Government property to ease Feds gaining access to
> it.
>
> If you ask me... The USA needs to continue to lead by example. Example of a
> Free Internet, Free from Government control.
> The last thing the USA should do is try to immulate Egypt's mis-use to
> censor it's people.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stuart Pierce" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>
>
>
> They can't stop the Godz Rock'n'Roll Machines !
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Marco Coelho 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:18:53 -0600
>
> >Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we
> speak.
> >I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then
> mind
> >control.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
> >> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
> >>
> >> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .
> >>
> >> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
> >>
> >> *www.ShowMeBroadband.com*
> >>
> >> *www.StLouisBroadband.com*
> >>
> >> *****www.FarmingtonForum.com* <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
> >>
> >> 314-974-5600
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
> >>
> >> They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go
> >>
> >> through Egypt..
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >>
> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
> >>
> >> To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
> >>
> >> I am sorry but that is a cheap shot
> >>
> >> I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam
> >> from
> >>
> >> here in the US though.
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Faisal
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > -- Original Message --
> >>
> >> > From: Jack Unger 
> >>
> >> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >>
> >> > Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> >> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> ***
> >>
> >> >> Confirming what a few have reported this evening: in an action
> >>
> >> >> unprecedented in
> >>
> >> >> Internet history, the Egypt

Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[David Weddell]

(Somewhat of a soapbox)

The whole "stimulus" plan was the first step to reward a "few" winners. When 
you see the red tape attached to stimulus awards, it should make one run far 
away. We applied because "consultants" convinced us that it would be a way to 
fund our rural areas. We, Indiana WISPA, heard a great message a few weeks ago 
at our statewide meeting from Dan Picker of Purewave on how stimulus funds were 
the biggest disaster towards stimulating anything. Those of us that wasted time 
applying for funds kept from ordering equipment, making commitments to build 
out our network in the same manner that got us where we were already and we all 
suffered for the delay. Suppliers had the worst year and equipment 
manufacturers sat idles. Now we see how a government can control the entire 
Internet business with one switch. The sad thing is, we are down to a handful 
of "real" Internet providers that we buy our services from in the US. How long 
will it be before the Government will be able to shut us off l
 ike they did in Egypt?


David Weddell

(stepping off the soapbox and watching my back)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

Yeah, why do you think the Feds fund 1 large broadband winner per area?
Reducing the number of broadband providers way simplifies feds taking
control over them, if ever needed.  Same thing with meet-me-points between
middle and last mile located in Schools and government buildings. Critical
infrastructure is now on Government property to ease Feds gaining access to
it.

If you ask me... The USA needs to continue to lead by example. Example of a
Free Internet, Free from Government control.
The last thing the USA should do is try to immulate Egypt's mis-use to
censor it's people.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "Stuart Pierce" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet



They can't stop the Godz Rock'n'Roll Machines !

-- Original Message --
From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:18:53 -0600

>Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we speak.
>I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then mind
>control.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband
>> wrote:
>
>>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
>> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
>>
>> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .
>>
>> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
>>
>> *www.ShowMeBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.StLouisBroadband.com*
>>
>> *www.FarmingtonForum.com* <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
>>
>> 314-974-5600
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> They may be talking about the European-Asian fiber-optic routes that go
>>
>> through Egypt..
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 7:21 AM
>>
>> To: spie...@avolve.net ; WISPA General List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>
>> I am sorry but that is a cheap shot
>>
>> I have never received any spam originating from Egypt... Tons of spam
>> from
>>
>> here in the US though.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:03 AM, "Stuart Pierce"  wrote:
>>
>> > Well maybe some spam will stop, a little at least.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > -- Original Message --
>>
>> > From: Jack Unger 
>>
>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> > Date:  Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:06:22 -0800
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> Sorry for the OT post. I thought some might be interested.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Tom DeReggi]

The good news is

Although there are negative forces against us, there are still folks in 
Congress and house/commerce committees that can understand our side, to 
preserve the structure of the INternet and the providers that truely 
understand how to operate it optimally. The easiest way to shut down or 
censor the Internet is via BGP and DNS.  It was a big victory several months 
ago, when the ISP industry pulled togeather, and shut down the attempt of 
Security and Copyright agencies to hi-jack control of DNS via legislation.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "David Weddell" 
To: "WISPA General List" ; 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet


> (Somewhat of a soapbox)
>
> The whole "stimulus" plan was the first step to reward a "few" winners. 
> When you see the red tape attached to stimulus awards, it should make one 
> run far away. We applied because "consultants" convinced us that it would 
> be a way to fund our rural areas. We, Indiana WISPA, heard a great message 
> a few weeks ago at our statewide meeting from Dan Picker of Purewave on 
> how stimulus funds were the biggest disaster towards stimulating anything. 
> Those of us that wasted time applying for funds kept from ordering 
> equipment, making commitments to build out our network in the same manner 
> that got us where we were already and we all suffered for the delay. 
> Suppliers had the worst year and equipment manufacturers sat idles. Now we 
> see how a government can control the entire Internet business with one 
> switch. The sad thing is, we are down to a handful of "real" Internet 
> providers that we buy our services from in the US. How long will it be 
> before the Government will be able to shut us off l
> ike they did in Egypt?
>
>
> David Weddell
>
> (stepping off the soapbox and watching my back)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:01 AM
> To: spie...@avolve.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>
> Yeah, why do you think the Feds fund 1 large broadband winner per area?
> Reducing the number of broadband providers way simplifies feds taking
> control over them, if ever needed.  Same thing with meet-me-points between
> middle and last mile located in Schools and government buildings. Critical
> infrastructure is now on Government property to ease Feds gaining access 
> to
> it.
>
> If you ask me... The USA needs to continue to lead by example. Example of 
> a
> Free Internet, Free from Government control.
> The last thing the USA should do is try to immulate Egypt's mis-use to
> censor it's people.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stuart Pierce" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>
>
>
> They can't stop the Godz Rock'n'Roll Machines !
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Marco Coelho 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:18:53 -0600
>
>>Ohbummer is trying to get an "internet off switch" for himself as we 
>>speak.
>>I think that is as scary as the way hitler started.  Gun control, then 
>>mind
>>control.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:51 AM, St. Louis Broadband
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>  > and government office that* relied on the big four Egyptian ISPs* for
>>> their Internet connectivity is now cut off from the rest of the world
>>>
>>> Sounds like what the U.S. could morph into .
>>>
>>> ***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
>>>
>>> *www.ShowMeBroadband.com*
>>>
>>> *www.StLouisBroadband.com*
>>>
>>> *www.FarmingtonForum.com* <http://farmingtonforum.com/>
>>>
>>> 314-974-5600
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of ch...@htswireless.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:31 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet
>>>
>>> They may be talk

Re: [WISPA] OT: Eqypt Has Been Disconnected from the Internet

[Fred Goldstein]

At 1/31/2011 10:33 AM, David Weddell wrote:
>(Somewhat of a soapbox)
>
>The whole "stimulus" plan was the first step to reward a "few" 
>winners. When you see the red tape attached to stimulus awards, it 
>should make one run far away. We applied because "consultants" 
>convinced us that it would be a way to fund our rural areas. We, 
>Indiana WISPA, heard a great message a few weeks ago at our 
>statewide meeting from Dan Picker of Purewave on how stimulus funds 
>were the biggest disaster towards stimulating anything. Those of us 
>that wasted time applying for funds kept from ordering equipment, 
>making commitments to build out our network in the same manner that 
>got us where we were already and we all suffered for the delay. 
>Suppliers had the worst year and equipment manufacturers sat idles. 
>Now we see how a government can control the entire Internet business 
>with one switch. The sad thing is, we are down to a handful of 
>"real" Internet providers that we buy our services from in the US. 
>How long will it be before the Government will be able to shut us off l
>  ike they did in Egypt?
>

Not all of the stimulus grants were so problematic.  Some will be 
very useful to the WISP community.  Some of the middle mile networks 
will make backhaul a lot easier, providing the first competition to 
very very expensive ILEC Special Access.  Maine's Three Ring Binder 
and the Massachusetts Broadband Institute, for instance, are running 
fiber into rural areas with the hope that WISPs will pick up some of 
the last mile (which alas BTOP round 2 would not pay for).

However, the BIP program was largely a handout to the usual rural 
ILECs, since it favored existing RUS borrowers (like ILECs).  Still, 
some competitive providers did get a piece of the action.

As to protection against shutoff and blocking, we need to think about 
how fragile the Internet architecture is, and how to work around its 
weak points.  I doubt that a "kill switch" would be very effective 
here, but the more the Internet is concentrated in the hands of a few 
providers, the easier it will be.  I wonder if the FCC's strongly 
anticompetitive push starting early in 2001 was being encouraged by 
the "security" apparat.


  --
  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 




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