Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I was referring to What would make one think that two radios, with a 16dbi antennas would work well and stable on a 14 mile link using allowable power in 5.X ghz or even 2.4 ghz ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 1:43 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: I know. I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their testing was putting them back to back. Like that, even with the wrong channel shields they connected. I was already suspicious about them not working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz. When I got to the other side and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's settings till they came up. It was awesome to at least link, but it was not stable enough to keep them up. I'd say the link was up about 90% of the time. This brings me to another question. Do radios get damage by not having an antenna connected when powering up? Say just to configure them. On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I am going to chime in here and say Look at RADWIN 2000c series. I have one pair pushing 80+ MB FDX over 20 mile link. They are more money than UBNT but allot less than Dragonwave and Moto. http://www.radwin.com/Content.aspx?Page=radwin_2000_series 200 Mbps throughput (40 MHz Channel) Native TDM (Up to 16 E1s/T1s) + Ethernet over the same link Single radio supporting multiple bands (2.4 and 4.9 - 5.9 GHz) Long range - up to 120 Km/75 miles Adaptive asymmetric capacity - dynamic allocation of uplink downlink traffic, enabling more capacity at longer ranges Advanced MIMO, OFDM and Diversity technologies Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I've personally seen someone doing about 98/20. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps: Test Results RX: 33.08 Mbps TX: 33.77 Mbps Total: 66.85 Mbps On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com mailto:paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I'm doing about 25 miles and haven't had a chance to tune the far end antenna. I'm passing several megs. I have the modulation turned way down until I have a chance to stabilize the link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 11:02 PM, Mark Dueck wrote: I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
On 31 August 2010 08:48, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Trango or SAF licensed 11 Ghz Earl didn't get you? I figured you'd be swamped. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I have the EXACT same setup at 12 miles pushing a rock steady 52 at a -72 and 20mhz channel width. Been up since January. And it's not a perfect link, skims the tops of trees all the way. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I wouldn't use a Nano anything for a long link. The gain is minimal for a link like that anyhow. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:18 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck mailto:m...@netking.bz m...@netking.bz wrote: From: Mark Dueck mailto:m...@netking.bz m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using loads. If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will indeed be damaged. I have various examples of that laying around from where uf/l connectors had popped off the MT cards. Yeah, they still work but only for close in use now! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Dueck Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:44 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I know. I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their testing was putting them back to back. Like that, even with the wrong channel shields they connected. I was already suspicious about them not working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz. When I got to the other side and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's settings till they came up. It was awesome to at least link, but it was not stable enough to keep them up. I'd say the link was up about 90% of the time. This brings me to another question. Do radios get damage by not having an antenna connected when powering up? Say just to configure them. On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Lack of experience. We've all been there. Big learning curve, I've had those moments in the beginning. That's when if something worked, it was MAGIC! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I was referring to What would make one think that two radios, with a 16dbi antennas would work well and stable on a 14 mile link using allowable power in 5.X ghz or even 2.4 ghz ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 1:43 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: I know. I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their testing was putting them back to back. Like that, even with the wrong channel shields they connected. I was already suspicious about them not working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz. When I got to the other side and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's settings till they came up. It was awesome to at least link, but it was not stable enough to keep them up. I'd say the link was up about 90% of the time. This brings me to another question. Do radios get damage by not having an antenna connected when powering up? Say just to configure them. On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.orghttp://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireles s...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
At 8/31/2010 09:00 AM, Robert West wrote: Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using loads. If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will indeed be damaged. I have various examples of that laying around from where uf/l connectors had popped off the MT cards. Yeah, they still work but only for close in use now! Stupid question, but is anyone selling little dummy loads (only needs 1 watt max, after all) built into the various types of antenna connector that these radios use? I suppose you could just take a 1W carbon resistor and solder up your own, though it would leak a bit. (I remember the original Cantenna. This wasn't a Pringles can. It was a dummy load, made by Heathkit, consisting of a gallon or so metal can filled with oil that cooled some big resistors. An SO-239 was on top and it could absorb a kilowatt for a brief test, or a smaller load for a longer time. I did watch somebody smoke one with a serious 2-meter grounded-plate amplifier. Those 8877 tubes were great. It was a very generous kilowatt amp.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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But that's close in. Throughput falls drastically as the distance goes up. Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls. I have an 11 mile p2p link in production now. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote: Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls. Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment, firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range long range. To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's... Faisal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Many radios can be damaged by transmitting with no load. You have to look up each one. It's always safer to have either a dummy load or antenna connected. mc On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: I know. I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their testing was putting them back to back. Like that, even with the wrong channel shields they connected. I was already suspicious about them not working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz. When I got to the other side and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's settings till they came up. It was awesome to at least link, but it was not stable enough to keep them up. I'd say the link was up about 90% of the time. This brings me to another question. Do radios get damage by not having an antenna connected when powering up? Say just to configure them. On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the throughput. My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's listening to is so much wider. Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't heard there's significant differences. It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the closer transmitter. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote: Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls. Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment, firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range long range. To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's... Faisal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
On 08/31/2010 06:02 PM, MDK wrote: As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the throughput. That doesn't sound right to me...radio waves travel at the speed of light. There is some round trip time for internal electronics processing, but usually what happens is that on further links the radio's have to go to a more robust modulation scheme such as QPSK rather them QAM so you can't transmit as much info. Of course to compensate for that you can increase the frequency being used, higher power, etc. Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I beg to differ with this logic, applying to UBNT only... While generically it is true about the separation... if your logic were true about in-sufficient isolation... then we would not be able to operate a full POP, where there are three Sector Panels and a 2ft Dish, all within the same 10-20ft of each other, all running Rocket M5's, all on different channels. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 6:02 PM, MDK wrote: My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's listening to is so much wider. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Yes. That is why we have ACK time settings in 802.11 radios. Greg Ihnen wrote: At near the speed of light is the distance of a 20~40 miles really a factor? Greg On Aug 31, 2010, at 5:32 PM, MDK wrote: As the distances go up, the longer it takes for the packet to be transmitted from one point to another, and the round trip time grows, which reduces the throughput. My experience is, that it would be all but impossible to do two parallel links in 5 ghz with UBNT stuff, as the antennas are not sufficiently isolated from each other, and despite being on channels that don't overlap, they still seem to have issues from strong nearby signals.And that would be even more true, using 40 mhz channels, as the spectrum it's "listening" to is so much wider. Perhaps my early hardware hasn't the selectivity of later, but I haven't heard there's significant differences. It was really my first thought, but so far I don't see it as viable unless somehow I can physically isolate the two links so they don't hear the closer transmitter. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Faisal Imtiaz" fai...@snappydsl.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. On 8/31/2010 11:44 AM, MDK wrote: Even when the radio rates stay up, throughput falls. Haven't seen that. There are some issues as such due to alignment, firmware and Ack settings... that affect all links, medium range long range. To get to higher end of the throughput / over the air rate, you will need to use 40meg channel / have a nice clean connection in the -60's... Faisal WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
E P I C ! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. At 8/31/2010 09:00 AM, Robert West wrote: Depends on the equipment but the rule of thumb I always was told was to power it up only long enough to disable the radio unless you are using loads. If you don't load the radio and run it long enough, it will indeed be damaged. I have various examples of that laying around from where uf/l connectors had popped off the MT cards. Yeah, they still work but only for close in use now! Stupid question, but is anyone selling little dummy loads (only needs 1 watt max, after all) built into the various types of antenna connector that these radios use? I suppose you could just take a 1W carbon resistor and solder up your own, though it would leak a bit. (I remember the original Cantenna. This wasn't a Pringles can. It was a dummy load, made by Heathkit, consisting of a gallon or so metal can filled with oil that cooled some big resistors. An SO-239 was on top and it could absorb a kilowatt for a brief test, or a smaller load for a longer time. I did watch somebody smoke one with a serious 2-meter grounded-plate amplifier. Those 8877 tubes were great. It was a very generous kilowatt amp.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I thought Proxim does this too? In regards to Ubiquiti you can do 20Mhz channels and two pairs of radios (you can easily use MT to make it appear to be a layer 2 connection). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Right, they are all hdx. That's why you need two :) On Aug 30, 2010 8:51 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing? Are you using space diversity and dual links? Phillip without making me sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading most places. Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Yes, the Proxim GX series will do 100Mbps FDX. QB is HDX - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I thought Proxim does this too? In regards to Ubiquiti you can do 20Mhz channels and two pairs of radios (you can easily use MT to make it appear to be a layer 2 connection). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: For Full Duplex you are looking at Moto PTP500 or equivalent. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Sadly no. At half that distance, yes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches. It just can't go that fast. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote: Sadly no. At half that distance, yes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
ROFL thanks for making my night Mike... 4 inches ROFL On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Ubiquiti M won't do 100 megs full duplex at 4 inches. It just can't go that fast. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 8:40 PM, Robert West wrote: Sadly no. At half that distance, yes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Ubiquiti M won't do what he's asking, at least not with a single link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 6:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDKrea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francescopaolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I think we are seeing high uptime (possibly 99.9%), but we have signal fade in the morning when there is dew (down for a couple of seconds every 5 minutes for about a half hour). We are planning to move about 5 miles closer so that we can get better uptime. The link is WQJT540 (39 06 02.9 N, 094 34 52.3 W) to WQJT544 (38 39 15.0 N, 094 17 54.4 W) We have a -38.5 dBm RSL and a 36.34 dB SNR. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: That's a pretty incredible claim. What sort of reliability are you seeing? Are you using space diversity and dual links? Phillip without making me sleuth what is the geography? I would be comfortable doing this in the desert or from mountaintops, but would worry about ducting and other fading most places. Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. If you can do it, look at 6Ghz. We have a Dragonwave Horizon Compact link going about 34 miles that can push up to 200Mbps full duplex. On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles? Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps: Test Results RX: 33.08 Mbps TX: 33.77 Mbps Total: 66.85 Mbps On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Distance? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.usmailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Ubnt, stuff will do about 150meg total (under ideal conditions).. which would be about 75x75meg duplex , shy of full 100meg duplex for symmetric traffic. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/30/2010 11:05 PM, RickG wrote: UBNT is great for the price but a bit shy of 100Mbps: Test Results RX: 33.08 Mbps TX: 33.77 Mbps Total:66.85 Mbps On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 7:18 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Assuming that spectrum (frequencies open) is not a problem, what would you use in the 5 ghz range to reach 25 miles?Want to do full duplex 100 M ethernet connection. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com mailto:paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] (DIRECTLY) Connecting two wireless with a RF cable Hi all I was wondering if directly connecting two wireless cards would burn them. The point is not the power sent by the two cards, but if the impedance is not the right one. Indeed in the normal use with the antenna the impedance is not the same of using a direct cable from one card to another. Not sure what impedance the RX card would show to the TX card Any idea? I am quite curious. Anybody using this configuration in daily installations? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK" rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use
them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each
way,for months.
--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz
wrote:
From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM
I can tell you not more than 14 miles
because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than
no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.
On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Distance?
- Jerry
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @
25 miles.
I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM,
"MDK" rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
wrote:
I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it
won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.
Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would
require
some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do
100 m
one way, if there's any backward traffic.
What Proxim stuff?
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
I know. I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their testing was putting them back to back. Like that, even with the wrong channel shields they connected. I was already suspicious about them not working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz. When I got to the other side and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's settings till they came up. It was awesome to at least link, but it was not stable enough to keep them up. I'd say the link was up about 90% of the time. This brings me to another question. Do radios get damage by not having an antenna connected when powering up? Say just to configure them. On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Please do not take this as a personal jab... If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be successful with the Link ? And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's product line for such results... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote: Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna. It was not my plan to use them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not. On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids40+each way,for months. --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /m...@netking.bz/* wrote: From: Mark Dueck m...@netking.bz Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput. On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Distance? - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now. On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without a doubt it won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles. Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that would require some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way will it do 100 m one way, if there's any backward traffic. What Proxim stuff? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 +... From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles. Proxim, Ubiquiti M... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Inline Attachment Follows- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
