Re: [WISPA] users...
Chuck, do you mean to a heavy user or another tower? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:43 PM To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] users... We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6 canopy AP's still isn't enough. We're going to do a fiber trial in one short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an additional 6-7 miles if everything works out. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote: I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users still saturate it. I'm doing traffic shapping and still. On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] users...
Well, we sell 3Mbit burst to 5 at the max, however when you have 10-15 people per Canopy AP trying to stream, it get's maxed out. So the options are; 1) upgrade to another technology, again. 2) build out fiber with the funds generated by the wireless. 3) wait for the telco or cable company to finally build out using USF and loose all of my customers. If we beat them to the punch, we've determined that we can build out fiber for a little less than 10k per mile using aerial. In most of our areas that means 15-20 homes per mile. That's at a cost of $1,000 per home + End User equipment/buildout. Our estimate is at about $600 per end user. I will be able to get poles put in for $800 per pole, and $800 for the electric drop. I can put up UBNT RocketM5's to do the users that it just doesn't make sense for a fiber build out, and our thought is that we'll do 1 of these every 2nd mile. Our rough guess is $1600 per user one time, no more tower fees, and no more continually upgrading costs. Our current cost per user is roughly $375-400, including labor/antennas/SM/cable/gas/etc. On top of that we have our tower rent which ends up being roughly 7-10% of the customer's monthly fees. We have averaged about 3 yrs before upgrading to better technology, costing another $375-400. On top of that keeping up with all of the wireless backhauls, upgrading, licensing, etc. Don't get me wrong, fiber is not cheap. However, I see it that the customer where there is a remote possibility that DSL/Cable can be built out, it will over time. I believe that the fiber investment is more than a 10yr investment, probably 20-30 yrs. I'm going to require everyone that gets the service also get a home phone. It's going to be built into their fee, get it or don't the fee is the same. I think I'm going to be somewhere around $50 for 10mbit + phone and go to $60 for 20mbit, $70 for 30mbit, $100 for 50mbit. Cogent is almost done building out here, so my cost per Mbit is roughly $2.50/mbit at 1GBit. It's a big upfront investment, for a long term future. Hopefully we'll get to the point where we will do IPTV as well. These are all thoughts and plans that we're going to be doing a test deployment with this spring/summer. None of the above is finite, and I'm sure lots of it will change. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Chuck, do you mean to a heavy user or another tower? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg *Sent:* Saturday, February 19, 2011 5:43 PM *To:* wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] users... We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6 canopy AP's still isn't enough. We're going to do a fiber trial in one short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an additional 6-7 miles if everything works out. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote: I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users still saturate it. I'm doing traffic shapping and still. On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] users...
How much bandwidth is that exactly? I have found that if I have it, they will use it. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] users...
It's true. The good news is that the more you buy the cheaper it is per meg! On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: How much bandwidth is that exactly? I have found that if I have it, they will use it. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] users...
I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users still saturate it. I'm doing traffic shapping and still. On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] users...
We've basically gotten to the point that in some areas on our network, 6 canopy AP's still isn't enough. We're going to do a fiber trial in one short half mile shot, get our feet wet, then we've already planned an additional 6-7 miles if everything works out. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Optimum Wireless Services wil...@optimumwireless.com wrote: I'm on the same boat. I added more bandwidth to my network and my users still saturate it. I'm doing traffic shapping and still. On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 02:42 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: a fun little note... three weeks ago, I doubled my networks available bandwidth... tonight, at 10:05PM EDT, those $#%@ users managed to saturate it again! Grrr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup
My experience selling broadband to rural dialup customers mirrors this. I've found that in areas where I am the SOLE option, I get about 30 to 50% take rates. I get about 75% of the 'net user. However, about 25% or so, of those who use internet will remain on dialup and will not pay $10 more per month to get off it. I am unable to determine if the money is really the issue, or if they just don't care, becuase interent is so unimportant to them. The rest... generally do not have computers. I have approached people in half million dollar custom new homes, and they tell me they don't have a computer. I offer a $25/mo service level and about 10% of my customers use it. I call it a dialup replacement @ roughly 300kb/sec (faster than the 256k dsl that used to offered here), yet nobody has wanted it for roughly 2 years. Some are starting to ask for higher than 2M levels and would pay up to 50 or 60 / mo for it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Stephen Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup FYI Interesting, http://www.dailytech.com/Users+Still+Cling+to+Dialup/article12283.htm http://www.newser.com/article/D91M6BCO1.html Small quote from that The survey does illustrate a concern that some Americans want broadband but can't get it, denying them opportunities to work online or take classes online. Of the rural Americans on dialup, 24 percent said they would upgrade if it was available in their area, whereas only 11 percent of suburban users in areas of non-availability and 3 percent of urban users would upgrade. Regards Stephen Patrick == CABLEFREE CableFree Solutions Ltd, Holly House, St. Clare Business Park, 22 Holly Road, Hampton Hill, Middlesex, TW12 1QH, UK Tel: +44(0)20 8941 7975 Fax:+44(0)20 8941 2410 Web:www.cablefreesolutions.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == CAUTION - This message is confidential and may contain privileged information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify CableFree Solutions immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of CableFree Solutions Ltd. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup
My suspicion had been that the wrong question was asked in the survey. A survey that was richer in probes a couple of years ago placed Always on at the top of the list of broadband benefits. Some sub-questions revolved around the convenience of not blocking the phone but the very top of the lise was the fact that when any question popped into your mind, the PC was immediately ready to answer. One example was the phone directory; with dial-up, it takes longer to go through the dial-up process than looking it up in the phone book but with always-on broadband, the PC is clearly much faster and gives a richer span of options. Going through the buzz-saw noises and minute of sign-on is a put-off for all but regular uses (like checking e-mail...which always-on users often do several times a day and this survey reported that dial-up users did it several times a week). Yet, you're right...John McCain said he didn't know how to use a computer last week and the ex-president of ATT (until last year) said he didn't either and found e-mail intrusive and useless. I bet they live in big, expensive homes. Maybe that's the key; I'll just get rid of my computers and puff, the magic cloud will transform my house into a mansion. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup My experience selling broadband to rural dialup customers mirrors this. I've found that in areas where I am the SOLE option, I get about 30 to 50% take rates. I get about 75% of the 'net user. However, about 25% or so, of those who use internet will remain on dialup and will not pay $10 more per month to get off it. I am unable to determine if the money is really the issue, or if they just don't care, becuase interent is so unimportant to them. The rest... generally do not have computers. I have approached people in half million dollar custom new homes, and they tell me they don't have a computer. I offer a $25/mo service level and about 10% of my customers use it. I call it a dialup replacement @ roughly 300kb/sec (faster than the 256k dsl that used to offered here), yet nobody has wanted it for roughly 2 years. Some are starting to ask for higher than 2M levels and would pay up to 50 or 60 / mo for it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Stephen Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup FYI Interesting, http://www.dailytech.com/Users+Still+Cling+to+Dialup/article12283.htm http://www.newser.com/article/D91M6BCO1.html Small quote from that The survey does illustrate a concern that some Americans want broadband but can't get it, denying them opportunities to work online or take classes online. Of the rural Americans on dialup, 24 percent said they would upgrade if it was available in their area, whereas only 11 percent of suburban users in areas of non-availability and 3 percent of urban users would upgrade. Regards Stephen Patrick == CABLEFREE CableFree Solutions Ltd, Holly House, St. Clare Business Park, 22 Holly Road, Hampton Hill, Middlesex, TW12 1QH, UK Tel: +44(0)20 8941 7975 Fax:+44(0)20 8941 2410 Web:www.cablefreesolutions.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == CAUTION - This message is confidential and may contain privileged information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify CableFree Solutions immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of CableFree Solutions Ltd. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup
A repost from yesterday. You can download the Pew Report here; http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/PIP_Broadband_2008.pdf Frank Muto www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Stephen Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Users Still Cling to Dialup FYI Interesting, http://www.dailytech.com/Users+Still+Cling+to+Dialup/article12283.htm http://www.newser.com/article/D91M6BCO1.html Small quote from that The survey does illustrate a concern that some Americans want broadband but can't get it, denying them opportunities to work online or take classes online. Of the rural Americans on dialup, 24 percent said they would upgrade if it was available in their area, whereas only 11 percent of suburban users in areas of non-availability and 3 percent of urban users would upgrade. Regards Stephen Patrick == CABLEFREE CableFree Solutions Ltd, Holly House, St. Clare Business Park, 22 Holly Road, Hampton Hill, Middlesex, TW12 1QH, UK Tel: +44(0)20 8941 7975 Fax:+44(0)20 8941 2410 Web:www.cablefreesolutions.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
