Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Ricardo Stella]

I think are are in the 5th year and so far we haven’t had to replace the
batteries. But they seem to be standard 12v type. I’ll take a look tomorrow
since once those go, they go..

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On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Glinsky, Eric  wrote:


Ricardo, have you had to replace the batteries in those yet? Are they
similar in lifecycle, type, and cost of replacement to those in a typical
small UPS?

Eric Glinsky
Network Administrator
University of Connecticut
ITS – Network Operations
Temporary Administration Building
25 Gampel Service Drive | Storrs, CT 06269-1138
(860) 486-9199
e...@uconn.edu
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Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)


*Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*


A few years ago we had to "light up" a couple of parking lots. The light
poles there are on timers, so there is no power during the day. Trenching
was cost prohibitive as well.

We ended up setting up a mesh from a nearby building to send data to these
two APs. And for power, we used continuous power bridges from Solis Energy.
At night, the light circuit provides power (which is 240v) to the bridge,
which in turns provides power to the access point while at the same time
charging up a battery. Once power is disconnected, the battery kicks in and
powers the AP during the day. Only issue we had when they were configured
was they gave us 802.11af injectors instead of 802.11at ones, which was
required for the AP to work.

https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/





On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:17 PM Brian Helman  wrote:

I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the
lights on the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be
possible.   It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is
that combined with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with
vertical poles.  It’s supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks
like a jail (or crib).



Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!



-Brian



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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Manon Lessard
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Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)



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Brian



In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent
proper power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s
even worse, there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on
campus, so all poles light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up,
say because I have an AP on it but not on the others. And we’re not even
talking about convincing the power people to let you put something on
“their” pole...



Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in
wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too
much trouble IMO.



So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side
solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are
heated/cooled, maybe they could help you cover the area?





*Manon Lessard*
Chargée de programmation et d’analyse

CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design

Direction des technologies de l'information

Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)

G1V 0A6, Canada

418 656-2131, poste 412853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305

*manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca* 
*www.dti.ulaval.ca*


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Glinsky, Eric]

Ricardo, have you had to replace the batteries in those yet? Are they similar 
in lifecycle, type, and cost of replacement to those in a typical small UPS?

Eric Glinsky
Network Administrator
University of Connecticut
ITS – Network Operations
Temporary Administration Building
25 Gampel Service Drive | Storrs, CT 06269-1138
(860) 486-9199
e...@uconn.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:21:31 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)


*Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*


A few years ago we had to "light up" a couple of parking lots. The light poles 
there are on timers, so there is no power during the day. Trenching was cost 
prohibitive as well.

We ended up setting up a mesh from a nearby building to send data to these two 
APs. And for power, we used continuous power bridges from Solis Energy. At 
night, the light circuit provides power (which is 240v) to the bridge, which in 
turns provides power to the access point while at the same time charging up a 
battery. Once power is disconnected, the battery kicks in and powers the AP 
during the day. Only issue we had when they were configured was they gave us 
802.11af injectors instead of 802.11at ones, which was required for the AP to 
work.

https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:17 PM Brian Helman 
mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu>> wrote:

I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the lights on 
the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be possible.   
It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is that combined 
with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with vertical poles.  It’s 
supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks like a jail (or crib).



Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!



-Brian



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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Manon Lessard
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)



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In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent proper 
power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s even worse, 
there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on campus, so all poles 
light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up, say because I have an AP 
on it but not on the others. And we’re not even talking about convincing the 
power people to let you put something on “their” pole...



Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in 
wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too 
much trouble IMO.



So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side 
solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are heated/cooled, 
maybe they could help you cover the area?





Manon Lessard
Chargée de programmation et d’analyse

CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design

Direction des technologies de l'information

Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)

G1V 0A6, Canada

418 656-2131, poste 412853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305

manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
www.dti.ulaval.ca

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Brian Helman 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Ricardo Stella]

A few years ago we had to "light up" a couple of parking lots. The light
poles there are on timers, so there is no power during the day. Trenching
was cost prohibitive as well.

We ended up setting up a mesh from a nearby building to send data to these
two APs. And for power, we used continuous power bridges from Solis Energy.
At night, the light circuit provides power (which is 240v) to the bridge,
which in turns provides power to the access point while at the same time
charging up a battery. Once power is disconnected, the battery kicks in and
powers the AP during the day. Only issue we had when they were configured
was they gave us 802.11af injectors instead of 802.11at ones, which was
required for the AP to work.

https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/



On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:17 PM Brian Helman  wrote:

> I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the
> lights on the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be
> possible.   It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is
> that combined with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with
> vertical poles.  It’s supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks
> like a jail (or crib).
>
>
>
> Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!
>
>
>
> -Brian
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Manon Lessard
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2020 3:32 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN
> Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
>
>
>
> *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of Salem State University.
> Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and
> know the content is safe.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent
> proper power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s
> even worse, there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on
> campus, so all poles light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up,
> say because I have an AP on it but not on the others. And we’re not even
> talking about convincing the power people to let you put something on
> “their” pole...
>
>
>
> Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in
> wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too
> much trouble IMO.
>
>
>
> So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side
> solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are
> heated/cooled, maybe they could help you cover the area?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Manon Lessard*
> Chargée de programmation et d’analyse
>
> CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design
>
> Direction des technologies de l'information
>
> Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
> 1055, avenue du Séminaire
> Bureau 0403
> Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
>
> G1V 0A6, Canada
>
> 418 656-2131, poste 412853
> Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
>
> *manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca* 
> *www.dti.ulaval.ca*
> 
>
> *Avis relatif à la confidentialité | Notice of Confidentiality*
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU* >
> on behalf of Brian Helman <*bhel...@salemstate.edu*
> >
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU* >
> *Date: *Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:18 PM
> *To: *"*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU*
> " <
> *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU* >
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN
> Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
>
>
>
> [Externe UL*]
>
> Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities
> people are not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I’m
> back to looking at ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but
> no one wants the actual gear installed.  Right now, I’m leaning to mounting
> them on existing light poles, but this is good info to have.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU* >
> *On Behalf Of *Jennifer Minella
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2020 3:08 PM
> *To:*

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Curtis, Bruce]

Not sure if these are WiFi friendly but my mom and her neighbors uses something 
similar to disguise the utility boxes in their yards.

https://rocksfast.com/buy-online-deals/fake-rocks-boulders/utility-box-covers/

> On Aug 31, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Lee Weers  wrote:
> 
> About 2 years ago I installed 3 of the Ventiv mini bollards. I was concerned 
> that a mower would take out one of them, but it hasn’t happened yet. The top 
> when not connected to the base seems
> 
> We even installed 2702i access points in them, so they are not even outdoor 
> rated access points.
> 
>  
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  On Behalf Of Brian Helman
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:17 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest 
> - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
> 
>  
> 
> I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the lights 
> on the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be possible.  
>  It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is that combined 
> with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with vertical poles.  It’s 
> supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks like a jail (or crib).
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!
> 
>  
> 
> -Brian
> 
>  
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  On Behalf Of Manon Lessard
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:32 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest 
> - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
> 
>  
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Salem State University. Do not 
> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
> content is safe.
> 
> Brian
> 
>  
> 
> In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent 
> proper power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s even 
> worse, there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on campus, so 
> all poles light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up, say because 
> I have an AP on it but not on the others. And we’re not even talking about 
> convincing the power people to let you put something on “their” pole...
> 
>  
> 
> Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in 
> wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too 
> much trouble IMO.
> 
>  
> 
> So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side 
> solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are 
> heated/cooled, maybe they could help you cover the area?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Manon Lessard
> Chargée de programmation et d’analyse 
> 
> CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design
> 
> Direction des technologies de l'information
> 
> Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
> 1055, avenue du Séminaire
> Bureau 0403
> Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
> 
> G1V 0A6, Canada
> 
> 418 656-2131, poste 412853
> Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
> 
> manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
> www.dti.ulaval.ca
> 
> Avis relatif à la confidentialité | Notice of Confidentiality
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Brian Helman 
> 
> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
> 
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:18 PM
> To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest 
> - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
> 
>  
> 
> [Externe UL*]
> 
> Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities people 
> are not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I’m back to 
> looking at ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but no one 
> wants the actual gear installed.  Right now, I’m leaning to mounting them on 
> existing light poles, but this is good info to have.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian
> 
>  
> 
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  On Behalf Of Jennifer Minella
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:08 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 
> 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)
> 
>  
> 
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Salem State University. Do not 
> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
> content is safe.
> 
> Brian,
> 
> This isn’t exactly what you were asking but most enclosure manufacturers 
> (like Ventev) make AP concealment / aesthetics products for both indoor and 
> outdoor. As an example, these bollards are popular with several of our 
> university clients. Note, I just skimmed the question/responses and apologize 
> if someone already mentioned these.
> 
> https://ventevinfra.com/?s=mini+bollard
> 
>  
> 
> ___
> 
> 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Lee Weers]

About 2 years ago I installed 3 of the Ventiv mini bollards. I was concerned 
that a mower would take out one of them, but it hasn’t happened yet. The top 
when not connected to the base seems very flimsy, but it has surprised me how 
well they have held up. We did place them in areas where students would not sit 
on them.
We even installed 2702i access points in them, so they are not even outdoor 
rated access points.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the lights on 
the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be possible.   
It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is that combined 
with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with vertical poles.  It’s 
supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks like a jail (or crib).

Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Manon Lessard
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Salem State University. Do not 
click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
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Brian

In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent proper 
power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s even worse, 
there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on campus, so all poles 
light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up, say because I have an AP 
on it but not on the others. And we’re not even talking about convincing the 
power people to let you put something on “their” pole...

Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in 
wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too 
much trouble IMO.

So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side 
solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are heated/cooled, 
maybe they could help you cover the area?


Manon Lessard
Chargée de programmation et d’analyse
CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design
Direction des technologies de l'information
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada
418 656-2131, poste 412853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca
www.dti.ulaval.ca
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Brian Helman 
mailto:bhel...@salemstate.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Monday, August 31, 2020 at 3:18 PM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Externe UL*]
Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities people are 
not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I’m back to looking at 
ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but no one wants the actual 
gear installed.  Right now, I’m leaning to mounting them on existing light 
poles, but this is good info to have.

Thanks,
Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jennifer Minella
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:08 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 
Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Brian Helman]

I wasn’t planning on powering the AP’s from the poles.  I assumed the lights on 
the poles were locally switched though, so pre-switch should be possible.   
It’s something to verify though.  The problem with bollards is that combined 
with the light poles, it makes the area very busy with vertical poles.  It’s 
supposed to be an inviting area, not one that looks like a jail (or crib).

Thanks though.  All of these are being added to our “double check” list!

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Manon Lessard
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 3:32 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 
28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Salem State University. Do not 
click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the 
content is safe.
Brian

In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent proper 
power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s even worse, 
there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on campus, so all poles 
light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up, say because I have an AP 
on it but not on the others. And we’re not even talking about convincing the 
power people to let you put something on “their” pole...

Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in 
wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too 
much trouble IMO.

So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side 
solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are heated/cooled, 
maybe they could help you cover the area?


Manon Lessard
Chargée de programmation et d’analyse
CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design
Direction des technologies de l'information
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada
418 656-2131, poste 412853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
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[Externe UL*]
Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities people are 
not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I’m back to looking at 
ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but no one wants the actual 
gear installed.  Right now, I’m leaning to mounting them on existing light 
poles, but this is good info to have.

Thanks,
Brian

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Brian,
This isn’t exactly what you were asking but most enclosure manufacturers (like 
Ventev) make AP concealment / aesthetics products for both indoor and outdoor. 
As an example, these bollards are popular with several of our university 
clients. Note, I just skimmed the question/responses and apologize if someone 
already mentioned these.
https://ventevinfra.com/?s=mini+bollard

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[Manon Lessard]

Brian

In my experience (YMMV) light poles have photo cells which would prevent proper 
power from being fed to your APs during the day. In my case, it’s even worse, 
there is one “loop” that feeds the power to all poles on campus, so all poles 
light up at the same time, I cannot only power one up, say because I have an AP 
on it but not on the others. And we’re not even talking about convincing the 
power people to let you put something on “their” pole...

Hanging from roof is just a huge hassle, too high anyways and the cost in 
wiring in addition to the loss you would get even using LMR600 would be too 
much trouble IMO.

So either bollards or some kind of a pole or even a skinned building-side 
solution could be best. If you have bus stop enclosures that are heated/cooled, 
maybe they could help you cover the area?


Manon Lessard
Chargée de programmation et d’analyse
CCNP, CWNE #275, AWA 10, ESCE Design
Direction des technologies de l'information
Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault
1055, avenue du Séminaire
Bureau 0403
Université Laval, Québec (Québec)
G1V 0A6, Canada
418 656-2131, poste 412853
Télécopieur : 418 656-7305
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[Externe UL*]
Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities people are 
not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I’m back to looking at 
ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but no one wants the actual 
gear installed.  Right now, I’m leaning to mounting them on existing light 
poles, but this is good info to have.

Thanks,
Brian

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Brian,
This isn’t exactly what you were asking but most enclosure manufacturers (like 
Ventev) make AP concealment / aesthetics products for both indoor and outdoor. 
As an example, these bollards are popular with several of our university 
clients. Note, I just skimmed the question/responses and apologize if someone 
already mentioned these.
https://ventevinfra.com/?s=mini+bollard

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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Antenna mounting suggestions

[Letts, Richard J]

I'm wondering if any campus has had success in designing wireless into the 
architectural specification?

Just as crime prevention through architectural design and landscape design 
strives to reduce crime by providing subliminal or overt cues that affect 
movement throughout a building isn't external wireless something that ought to 
be taken into consideration for modern buildings where Wireless and 5g antenna 
should be considered as ubiquitous and essential as power outlets and lighting 
fixtures.

Retro-fitting these design elements into completed buildings is always a hack 
and been the source of more battles with university architects on any campus 
I've worked on than anything else. (which reminds me, I need to go look at the 
stealth sample 4G antenna installed on the top of a building completed recently 
- that project has been going on so long half the architectural team has left.)

As we move through Covid-19, we've seen a huge uptick in the need for outdoor 
wireless - from zero support to 'how quickly can you get it working in these 20 
locations'. Once C19 is on the wane we're probably going to be asked to remove 
the steel poles and other temporary structures we've lashed to railings and the 
suchlike around campus. Frankly google has not been much help searching for 
stealth/camouflage solutions we might deploy in the long term.

Thank you

Richard Letts

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I need to re-visit the Building 1 situation.  We have put wall-mounts as a 
quick-fix.  The problem is the initial install.  We're trying to do as much of 
this in-house as possible.  The antenna would need to be between on the 3rd 
floor (toward the top of that) to clear the treeline, so we're looking at 35' 
above ground.  That's why we started looking at the roof again.  It's much 
easier to access.  Given our winters, I just want to keep anything that may 
need maintenance out of the snow and away from the edge of the building.

By the way, as far as the Library - there's no chance to put anything on the 
side of the building.  You know construction these days - form over function.  
100% glass curtain walls.  There's only a 1" gasket between panels.

-Brian

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The library is an excellent candidate for a non-penetrating roof mount.  If you 
google it you'll find many options.  Don't get crazy with the size or you'll 
have to have a structure engineer make sure the roof can handle the spot 
loading.  I did the wind load calculations and I think a 100MPH wind could 
result in 23lb of lateral load on an AP-375, so there's no need for tons of 
ballast.  Also, put a pad of some sort (usually available where you order your 
mount) between the mount and the antenna to project the roof membrane.

For Building 2, if you're trying to cover that smallish space between the 
buildings I'd definitely recommend wall-mounted panel antennas.  Put the AP 
above the ceiling inside, drill a ¾" hole in the wall, and mount an ant-35 (or 
something similar) flat to the wall outside.  If you paint it to blend in with 
the brick it will almost disappear.

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Antenna mounting suggestions

Hey everyone:

I hope you're coping with the chaos and enrollment challenges.

So we're rolling out a major wireless upgrade using Aruba gear.  A part of this 
rollout is to provide wireless coverage to a few outdoor spaces.  One of these 
spaces is a quad flanked by 2 relatively tall buildings (about 6 stories).  One 
of those buildings has a flat roof with no knee wall or parapet.  The other has 
a parapet that has glass on the outside.  Both are rubber-membrane roofs, so 
mechanical attachment isn't going to fly.  The building with the parapet only 
has about a 6' clearance between the wall and solar panels, so I only have 
about 2' to work with.

Building 1:
Flat roof
Rubber membrane
Roof has a minimal lip before you drop 6 stories
Has a penthouse that is recessed from the side of the building that I can put 
electronics on/in

Building 2:
Library
Flat roof
Rubber mem

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 28 Aug 2020 to 29 Aug 2020 (#2020-156)

[Brian Helman]

Well, you saved me from having to look for bollards.  Our Facilities people are 
not in favor of us putting anything on the roofs, so now I'm back to looking at 
ground level.  Everyone wants wireless in the quad, but no one wants the actual 
gear installed.  Right now, I'm leaning to mounting them on existing light 
poles, but this is good info to have.

Thanks,
Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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Brian,
This isn't exactly what you were asking but most enclosure manufacturers (like 
Ventev) make AP concealment / aesthetics products for both indoor and outdoor. 
As an example, these bollards are popular with several of our university 
clients. Note, I just skimmed the question/responses and apologize if someone 
already mentioned these.
https://ventevinfra.com/?s=mini+bollard

___
Jennifer Minella, CISSP, HP MASE
VP of Engineering & Security
Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc.
www.cadinc.com
j...@cadinc.com
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Brian,
This isn't exactly what you were asking but most enclosure manufacturers (like 
Ventev) make AP concealment / aesthetics products for both indoor and outdoor. 
As an example, these bollards are popular with several of our university 
clients. Note, I just skimmed the question/responses and apologize if someone 
already mentioned these.
https://ventevinfra.com/?s=mini+bollard

___
Jennifer Minella, CISSP, HP MASE
VP of Engineering & Security
Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc.
www.cadinc.com
j...@cadinc.com
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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Antenna mounting suggestions

[Brian Helman]

I need to re-visit the Building 1 situation.  We have put wall-mounts as a 
quick-fix.  The problem is the initial install.  We're trying to do as much of 
this in-house as possible.  The antenna would need to be between on the 3rd 
floor (toward the top of that) to clear the treeline, so we're looking at 35' 
above ground.  That's why we started looking at the roof again.  It's much 
easier to access.  Given our winters, I just want to keep anything that may 
need maintenance out of the snow and away from the edge of the building.

By the way, as far as the Library - there's no chance to put anything on the 
side of the building.  You know construction these days - form over function.  
100% glass curtain walls.  There's only a 1" gasket between panels.

-Brian

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The library is an excellent candidate for a non-penetrating roof mount.  If you 
google it you'll find many options.  Don't get crazy with the size or you'll 
have to have a structure engineer make sure the roof can handle the spot 
loading.  I did the wind load calculations and I think a 100MPH wind could 
result in 23lb of lateral load on an AP-375, so there's no need for tons of 
ballast.  Also, put a pad of some sort (usually available where you order your 
mount) between the mount and the antenna to project the roof membrane.

For Building 2, if you're trying to cover that smallish space between the 
buildings I'd definitely recommend wall-mounted panel antennas.  Put the AP 
above the ceiling inside, drill a ¾" hole in the wall, and mount an ant-35 (or 
something similar) flat to the wall outside.  If you paint it to blend in with 
the brick it will almost disappear.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:50 PM
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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Antenna mounting suggestions

Hey everyone:

I hope you're coping with the chaos and enrollment challenges.

So we're rolling out a major wireless upgrade using Aruba gear.  A part of this 
rollout is to provide wireless coverage to a few outdoor spaces.  One of these 
spaces is a quad flanked by 2 relatively tall buildings (about 6 stories).  One 
of those buildings has a flat roof with no knee wall or parapet.  The other has 
a parapet that has glass on the outside.  Both are rubber-membrane roofs, so 
mechanical attachment isn't going to fly.  The building with the parapet only 
has about a 6' clearance between the wall and solar panels, so I only have 
about 2' to work with.

Building 1:
Flat roof
Rubber membrane
Roof has a minimal lip before you drop 6 stories
Has a penthouse that is recessed from the side of the building that I can put 
electronics on/in

Building 2:
Library
Flat roof
Rubber membrane
~40" knee wall/parapet
Rubber membrane goes almost to top of knee wall, then is capped with lead and a 
lightning ground
Outside of wall is glass

Our basic philosophy here is to separate the access points and antennas (ie use 
external antennas).  We can't attach anything to the face of the Library 
(Building 2) because of the glass and I don't really want to have to maintain 
electronics over the edge of a building anyway.  So, how are people installing 
antennas on roofs pointed down to cover quads 60+' below?  I'll figure out 
where to  put the AP's and dress in the cables.

Mounting at ground-level isn't going to work.  There is too much sidewalk and 
landscaping that would have to be disrupted.  It'd be a budget-buster.

Again, physically attaching anything isn't going to be acceptable and in 
Building 2's (Library) case, a large weighted sled will encroach on the service 
area for the solar panels.  There will be several antennae on each roof.

Here are photos.  The photo of Building 1 is a few years old.  The angle with 
the rocks isn't the side of the building I'm putting the antennae.  You can see 
that in the 2nd photo.  I just included the 1st photo because it's a better 
view of the roof:



VENDORS:  I'm already working with Aruba and an integrator.  If you have 
mounting suggestions, please let me know, but there is no sales opportunity 
here.

Thanks,
Brian


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