Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

[Michael Usher]

We broadcast the same SSIDs outdoors as indoors but we have different RF
Profiles outdoors (allows lower data rates).

For campus buildings, it's eduroam (our main service) plus Guest.

For dorms, we have a ResWiFi and Guest.

We keep eduroam and Guest in one IP range, but we do segment our Dorm
networks by college area.

One big reason for using the same SSID indoors / outdoors is to keep the
outdoor clients separated so as not to burn airtime on indoor APs,
degrading service for indoor users.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 3:38 PM Richie Penuela 
wrote:

> Our standard WLANs in our University are secured network, guest, and
> eduroam. We broadcast the same SSIDS both indoors and outdoors for the
> mentioned reason of a seamless experience and there will be times that both
> will bleed over the other. We have specific WLANs and SSIDs for outside
> vendors since we wanted to segment those outside our secured/academic
> network.
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>
> -Respectfully,
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> Wireless Network Architect
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> *UCF **IT Telecommunications*
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> *Date: *Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 5:54 PM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?
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> For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you
> broadcast the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy
> for why or why not?
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>
> TLDR:
>
> Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the
> school year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of
> us.  We face the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs
> return on investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this
> year and get out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID
> campus with eduroam being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open
> unauthenticated Internet access only "guest" network. The question came up
> out of a discussion related to ensuring performance for
> faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces but my other concern is
> for our Information Security group.  An open guest network might be okay in
> a building where we can track your device down fairly quickly but outdoors
> might complicate this.  I think the campus user expectation is both
> SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around the block.
>
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> *Mike Atkins *
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> Infrastructure Architect
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> Office of Information Technology
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> University of Notre Dame
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> Phone: 574-631-7210
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University of California, Santa Cruz
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

[Richie Penuela]

Our standard WLANs in our University are secured network, guest, and eduroam. 
We broadcast the same SSIDS both indoors and outdoors for the mentioned reason 
of a seamless experience and there will be times that both will bleed over the 
other. We have specific WLANs and SSIDs for outside vendors since we wanted to 
segment those outside our secured/academic network.

-Respectfully,

[signature_1584035786]
Wireless Network Architect
UCF IT Telecommunications
University of Central Florida
richie.penu...@ucf.edu
it.ucf.edu

Please note: Florida has a very broad open records law (F.S. 119). Emails may 
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Mike Atkins 
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 5:54 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you broadcast 
the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy for why or why 
not?



TLDR:
Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the school 
year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of us.  We face 
the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs return on 
investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this year and get 
out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID campus with eduroam 
being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open unauthenticated Internet 
access only "guest" network. The question came up out of a discussion related 
to ensuring performance for faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces 
but my other concern is for our Information Security group.  An open guest 
network might be okay in a building where we can track your device down fairly 
quickly but outdoors might complicate this.  I think the campus user 
expectation is both SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around 
the block.


--




Mike Atkins
Infrastructure Architect
Office of Information Technology
University of Notre Dame
Phone: 574-631-7210



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

[Cody Ensanian]

We broadcast the same SSID inside and outside (our branded secure dot1x 
network, our guest network, and eduroam). (we might start having talks about 
just moving to eduroam for our main dot1x network).

We wanted roaming to be as seamless as possible for end users, and didn't want 
to add confusion by adding new SSIDs to our campus.
Plus as Lawson mentioned, you get your indoor SSIDs bleeding outside anyway.

We did a big project almost 2 years ago now installing 40 new outdoor APs 
across campus... mostly along our main pedestrian spine and in some quad and 
green spaces that get high use. It was a mix of building-mount, pole mount, and 
we did some bollards too. Some were direct runs of cat6 into the buildings, 
others required powered fiber. Depending on quantity, it can be a pretty 
involved project.

I have some public resources of our project posted, feel free to check them out 
and reach out with any questions.
https://wireless.uccs.edu/wireless-projects/outdoorwireless-project
https://kb.uccs.edu/display/OIT/Outdoor+Wireless+Phase+1

We're also getting more demand for wireless at our outdoor athletic venues (for 
fans, teams, ticket scanners, our media team, etc.)

Cody
UCCS


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Glinsky, Eric
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 4:17 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

We broadcast the usual 3 SSIDs (branded, guest, eduroam) in the few locations 
we have outdoor WiFi for general use. We've also started setting up outdoor APs 
for athletic venues for ticket scanners. In one area, we added the ticket 
scanning SSID to the others. In other, predictably more crowded areas, like 
ticket booths adjacent to outdoor bleachers, we've been dedicating one AP to 
ticket scanning.

Eric Glinsky
Network Administrator
University of Connecticut
ITS - Network Operations
Temporary Administration Building
25 Gampel Service Drive | Storrs, CT 06269-1138
(860) 486-9199
e...@uconn.edu

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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

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For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you broadcast 
the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy for why or why 
not?



TLDR:
Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the school 
year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of us.  We face 
the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs return on 
investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this year and get 
out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID campus with eduroam 
being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open unauthenticated Internet 
access only "guest" network. The question came up out of a discussion related 
to ensuring performance for faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces 
but my other concern is for our Information Security group.  An open guest 
network might be okay in a building where we can track your device down fairly 
quickly but outdoors might complicate this.  I think the campus user 
expectation is both SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around 
the block.


--









Mike Atkins

Infrastructure Architect

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

[Glinsky, Eric]

We broadcast the usual 3 SSIDs (branded, guest, eduroam) in the few locations 
we have outdoor WiFi for general use. We’ve also started setting up outdoor APs 
for athletic venues for ticket scanners. In one area, we added the ticket 
scanning SSID to the others. In other, predictably more crowded areas, like 
ticket booths adjacent to outdoor bleachers, we’ve been dedicating one AP to 
ticket scanning.

Eric Glinsky
Network Administrator
University of Connecticut
ITS – Network Operations
Temporary Administration Building
25 Gampel Service Drive | Storrs, CT 06269-1138
(860) 486-9199
e...@uconn.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Mike Atkins 
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:53:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?


*Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*


For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you broadcast 
the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy for why or why 
not?



TLDR:
Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the school 
year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of us.  We face 
the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs return on 
investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this year and get 
out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID campus with eduroam 
being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open unauthenticated Internet 
access only "guest" network. The question came up out of a discussion related 
to ensuring performance for faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces 
but my other concern is for our Information Security group.  An open guest 
network might be okay in a building where we can track your device down fairly 
quickly but outdoors might complicate this.  I think the campus user 
expectation is both SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around 
the block.


--








Mike Atkins

Infrastructure Architect

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor WLANs?

[Cassels, Lawson]

Yes, we have the same SSIDs on both indoor and outdoor APs. We do phone number 
verification for our guest accounts (legal said we must) and it only provides 
limited WAN access. Besides, most buildings radiate enough RF that you can 
connect through a window or wall without having to enter the building.

You will probably want to ensure that your primary SSID has just one subnet and 
gateway. Before we had outdoor hardware (2010ish), we could get away with 
different wireless subnets in different buildings because most clients would 
disconnect between buildings and get the new gateway/DHCP lease when they enter 
the next building. With outdoor hardware, the client retains that connection 
when walking between buildings and can be without network access until the DHCP 
lease expires or they do something else to acquire the new gateway info.

We use the Aruba 270 and 360 series for outdoor access and have been extremely 
happy with the performance of those units. They vastly exceed the performance 
we've gotten from externally mounted antennas.

Lawson Cassels
Illinois State University

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For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you broadcast 
the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy for why or why 
not?



TLDR:
Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the school 
year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of us.  We face 
the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs return on 
investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this year and get 
out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID campus with eduroam 
being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open unauthenticated Internet 
access only "guest" network. The question came up out of a discussion related 
to ensuring performance for faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces 
but my other concern is for our Information Security group.  An open guest 
network might be okay in a building where we can track your device down fairly 
quickly but outdoors might complicate this.  I think the campus user 
expectation is both SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around 
the block.


--








Mike Atkins

Infrastructure Architect

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210





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Outdoor WLANs?

[Mike Atkins]

For those of you running outdoor Wi-Fi covering public space, do you
broadcast the same WLANs as in building?  Do you have a specific strategy
for why or why not?



TLDR:
Being a Northern Indiana campus, the demand for outdoor Wi-Fi during the
school year has been fairly low.  Last year has changed this for all of
us.  We face the same challenges as everyone else with cost/aesthetics vs
return on investment.  We are looking to provide some legit coverage this
year and get out of the "temporary" outdoor setups.  We are a two SSID
campus with eduroam being our dot1X secure network and ND-guest being open
unauthenticated Internet access only "guest" network. The question came up
out of a discussion related to ensuring performance for
faculty/staff/students in the public outdoor spaces but my other concern is
for our Information Security group.  An open guest network might be okay in
a building where we can track your device down fairly quickly but outdoors
might complicate this.  I think the campus user expectation is both
SSID's everywhere.  Trying to get some thoughts from around the block.


-- 








*Mike Atkins *

Infrastructure Architect

Office of Information Technology

University of Notre Dame

Phone: 574-631-7210

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