Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
I feel your pain. We can all do deep breathing together. It won't change things, but we'll feel better about life in general. John On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 8:14 AM Jonathan Miller wrote: > > Some of this can be affected by the architect and what they deem > aesthetically pleasing... > > This is one of the few things that actually still gets under my skin in > this line of work. Architects refusing to allow the installation of access > points due to aesthetics is ludicrous. We recently ran into this - even > after presenting options for mounts and covers to hide our APs in a new > building. > > What about that big red fire alarm horn/strobe, are you not going to allow > that? > > When the complaints about poor wireless performance come in, will you, oh > great architect and designer of all things beautiful, come in and help us > troubleshoot? > > How will it make you feel when we have to slap wire mold all over your > glorious aesthetically pleasing creation to run data out to the APs that we > end up having to install after you turn the building over to us? I guess > as long as the wire mold isn't there for the opening ceremony it doesn't > matter. > > If you happen to be in a position that has enough power to push back on > architects and their asinine refusal to allow installation of access > points, please back your local networking folks. > > OK, back to some deep breathing exercises. > > Jonathan Miller > Network Analyst > Franklin and Marshall College > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:50 PM Ronald Loneker wrote: > >> Good Afternoon - >> >> Some of this can be affected by the architect and what they deem >> aesthetically pleasing... >> >> When our theater was built in our fine and performing arts center 12 >> years ago, the architect was against us putting access points on the wall >> due to aesthetics. We ended up putting on AP in our projection booth and >> one backstage in one of the wings. >> >> Our theater was originally slated to be used for all purposes >> (performances, concerts, lectures, conference presentations, admissions >> Open Houses, etc) so it really could have used a lot more connectivity than >> what we could put in the theater. >> >> Three years ago, we upgraded the APs in the fine and performing arts >> center and, with new leadership at the college, added three more access >> points to support more connections. Our theater has 560 seats, and we did >> have a conference that we streamed video plus had public wifi available and >> we seem to be fine with connectivity. >> >> If you can do it and not get pushback from the architect, I'd recommend >> you build it into your plans for having availability day one. >> >> (then you can sit in the back of the theater and watch all the parents >> with their smart phones raising them up and see the sea of phone screens as >> they record their kids' performances...because it will happen when you >> eventually rent out the space...) >> >> Ron Loneker, Jr. >> Director, IT Special Projects >> College of Saint Elizabeth >> Mahoney Library >> 2 Convent Road >> Morristown, NJ 07960 >> >> Phone: 973-290-4229 >> >> e-mail: rlone...@cse.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:44 PM Bull, Mary wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in >>> the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a >>> new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear >>> direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. >>> The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, >>> did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked >>> on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning >>> is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially >>> since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty >>> changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, >>> I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that >>> they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary Bull >>> >>> William and Mary >>> >>> 757-221-2491 >>> >>> mb...@wm.edu >>> >>> ** >>> Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire >>> community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the >>> message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. >>> Additional participation and subscription information can be found at >>> https://www.educause.edu/community >>> >> ** >> Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire >> community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the >> message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. >> Additional participation and subscription inform
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
> Some of this can be affected by the architect and what they deem aesthetically pleasing... This is one of the few things that actually still gets under my skin in this line of work. Architects refusing to allow the installation of access points due to aesthetics is ludicrous. We recently ran into this - even after presenting options for mounts and covers to hide our APs in a new building. What about that big red fire alarm horn/strobe, are you not going to allow that? When the complaints about poor wireless performance come in, will you, oh great architect and designer of all things beautiful, come in and help us troubleshoot? How will it make you feel when we have to slap wire mold all over your glorious aesthetically pleasing creation to run data out to the APs that we end up having to install after you turn the building over to us? I guess as long as the wire mold isn't there for the opening ceremony it doesn't matter. If you happen to be in a position that has enough power to push back on architects and their asinine refusal to allow installation of access points, please back your local networking folks. OK, back to some deep breathing exercises. Jonathan Miller Network Analyst Franklin and Marshall College On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 1:50 PM Ronald Loneker wrote: > Good Afternoon - > > Some of this can be affected by the architect and what they deem > aesthetically pleasing... > > When our theater was built in our fine and performing arts center 12 years > ago, the architect was against us putting access points on the wall due to > aesthetics. We ended up putting on AP in our projection booth and one > backstage in one of the wings. > > Our theater was originally slated to be used for all purposes > (performances, concerts, lectures, conference presentations, admissions > Open Houses, etc) so it really could have used a lot more connectivity than > what we could put in the theater. > > Three years ago, we upgraded the APs in the fine and performing arts > center and, with new leadership at the college, added three more access > points to support more connections. Our theater has 560 seats, and we did > have a conference that we streamed video plus had public wifi available and > we seem to be fine with connectivity. > > If you can do it and not get pushback from the architect, I'd recommend > you build it into your plans for having availability day one. > > (then you can sit in the back of the theater and watch all the parents > with their smart phones raising them up and see the sea of phone screens as > they record their kids' performances...because it will happen when you > eventually rent out the space...) > > Ron Loneker, Jr. > Director, IT Special Projects > College of Saint Elizabeth > Mahoney Library > 2 Convent Road > Morristown, NJ 07960 > > Phone: 973-290-4229 > > e-mail: rlone...@cse.edu > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:44 PM Bull, Mary wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the >> theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new >> arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear >> direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. >> The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, >> did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked >> on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning >> is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially >> since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty >> changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, >> I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that >> they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. >> >> >> >> Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? >> >> >> >> Mary Bull >> >> William and Mary >> >> 757-221-2491 >> >> mb...@wm.edu >> >> ** >> Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire >> community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the >> message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. >> Additional participation and subscription information can be found at >> https://www.educause.edu/community >> > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Good Afternoon - We have Listen assistive listening systems in our theater and our new 94 seat auditorium. ADA requires a certain percentage of assistive listening devices in larger spaces. Our system consists of beltpacks with ear buds which would be given to each attendee who requests them and our sound system does feed the Listen system. Your mileage may vary on the use of this system - our experience is that we've had a few people request them days before the performances but they've never actually picked them up to use them. Ron Loneker, Jr. Director, IT Special Projects College of Saint Elizabeth Mahoney Library 2 Convent Road Morristown, NJ 07960 Phone: 973-290-4229 e-mail: rlone...@cse.edu On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Schneider, Glenn wrote: > I’ve been sitting on the sidelines in this discussion but wanted to > mention something we are seeing for use in chapels, theaters and > auditoriums. That is the use of personal cellular devices to assist hearing > impaired guests in these venues. I believe the app is Listen Everywhere > that has an appliance that ties into the sound system and the network to > provide the service. > > > > Are there others using these services? > > > > *Glenn Schneider* > > *Director, Network Group* > > *Technology Services* > > *Samford University* > > > > 205-726-2663 <+1205-726-2663> | office > > gtsch...@samford.edu > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Gray, Sean > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:41 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > Put it in while you can. It’s going to be much easier to do it during the > project than later on when someone complains. > > > > *Sean Gray* | B.Sc (Hons) > > Voice, Collaboration & Wireless Network Analyst > > ITS, University of Lethbridge > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Bull, Mary > *Sent:* October 22, 2019 10:34 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > Hello all, > > > > I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the > theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new > arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear > direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. > The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, > did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked > on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning > is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially > since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty > changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, > I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that > they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? > > > > Mary Bull > > William and Mary > > 757-221-2491 > > mb...@wm.edu > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.educause.edu_community&d=DwMGaQ&c=GTxgfYI6i4KYikqC6GK_Jzn2mYGEh-v4HEPYCyQcJzU&r=UxSknFTSq-VBx4soK81yFDvsVhRyNHThjq8BPojS-pg&m=gmWa5VVspiLpQdOqJTqSpCkEw3ICEcdHMizoOSPoRiw&s=4nbOpRBNPNeIa5gSXetQLg6mO4j_0DENZLUPuME8sKc&e=> > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.educause.edu_community&d=DwMGaQ&c=GTxgfYI6i4KYikqC6GK_Jzn2mYGEh-v4HEPYCyQcJzU&r=UxSknFTSq-VBx4soK81yFDvsVhRyNHThjq8BPojS-pg&m=gmWa5VVspiLpQdOqJTqSpCkEw3ICEcdHMizoOSPoRiw&s=4nbOpRBNPNeIa5gSXetQLg6mO4j_0DENZLUPuME8sKc&e=> > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails a
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Good Afternoon - Some of this can be affected by the architect and what they deem aesthetically pleasing... When our theater was built in our fine and performing arts center 12 years ago, the architect was against us putting access points on the wall due to aesthetics. We ended up putting on AP in our projection booth and one backstage in one of the wings. Our theater was originally slated to be used for all purposes (performances, concerts, lectures, conference presentations, admissions Open Houses, etc) so it really could have used a lot more connectivity than what we could put in the theater. Three years ago, we upgraded the APs in the fine and performing arts center and, with new leadership at the college, added three more access points to support more connections. Our theater has 560 seats, and we did have a conference that we streamed video plus had public wifi available and we seem to be fine with connectivity. If you can do it and not get pushback from the architect, I'd recommend you build it into your plans for having availability day one. (then you can sit in the back of the theater and watch all the parents with their smart phones raising them up and see the sea of phone screens as they record their kids' performances...because it will happen when you eventually rent out the space...) Ron Loneker, Jr. Director, IT Special Projects College of Saint Elizabeth Mahoney Library 2 Convent Road Morristown, NJ 07960 Phone: 973-290-4229 e-mail: rlone...@cse.edu On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:44 PM Bull, Mary wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the > theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new > arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear > direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. > The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, > did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked > on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning > is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially > since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty > changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, > I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that > they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? > > > > Mary Bull > > William and Mary > > 757-221-2491 > > mb...@wm.edu > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [EXT]: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Hi , I would defiantly wire for access points and depending on what type of ceiling the architect goes with ( access to locations) I would add the waps. You can easily disabled them for events if requested. Here at Stonehill we plan for coverage in every interior space, we have actually had our theatre arts people ask to expand wireless in the theatre. Like others have said it is easy to add them now , and much more difficult and expensive later on. Pino Peppino Muraca Manager of Network Services Stonehill College W:508-565-1193 C:508-243-5910 pmur...@stonehill.edu<mailto:pmur...@stonehill.edu> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Bull, Mary Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXT]: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu<mailto:mb...@wm.edu> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cpmuraca%40STONEHILL.EDU%7C1cf16b83840d457198b308d7570f1b8a%7C2d1c5372f88f46c1a557ed75b9b2893c%7C1%7C0%7C637073594703307421&sdata=FDV5TgyG4PF09xgqitLs%2BqlADAcM7fHuxW5Lk5c8QXU%3D&reserved=0> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Mary, Our goal is to cover occupied spaces indoors with a standard density deployment. We deploy high density for large auditoriums/classrooms that have a primary or significant use by the campus population. We lean on the building/venue management and department heads for “specialty” Wi-Fi needed in large stadiums/arenas/theaters where the majority of occupants are guests here for a ticketed event. In those cases we ask the venue/department to help fund the installation/maintenance because the cost that is above our typical offering. Sometimes this works, sometimes it does not. Athletics covers some of the cost for high density guest Wi-Fi in areas like basketball and football but choose not to cover high density for baseball, soccer, and Lacrosse. Hockey is likely to be the next specialty guest Wi-Fi since we have been talking about it for a long time. But again, this would be contingent on athletics funding a portion of the installation/maintenance. Our performing arts theatre was due for wireless upgrades this year. That venue choose to go with just the standard campus density deployment for the office and work spaces while turning down high density “specialty” Wi-Fi in the large auditoriums. History shows for this particular venue we end up setting up temporary Wi-Fi once a year. It is hard to fault them on choosing to not put extra money into large venue high density deployment when their customers (events) only demand “usable” Wi-Fi once a year. In this case the temporary setup is usually a couple APs and a dedicated radio/SSID. Another good example my co-worker uses is the dining halls. We cover the dining hall Wi-Fi upgrades with maintenance/upgrade funds because these are campus users. In the past the dining hall wanted little or no Wi-Fi so students would eat and get out. That has slowly changed but it is a good example that we have to keep the big picture in perspective and protect our customers from themselves. *Mike Atkins * Network Engineer Office of Information Technology University of Notre Dame *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Bull, Mary *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
I designed a bunch of auditorium and theaters’ Wi-Fi during my days at Univ. of TN. If you do it, do it well, or don't do it at all. Otherwise it will cost you in support/complaints/reputation. And get with the sound system people of those large venues before you lay your spectrum! Philippe Philippe Hanset, CEO www.anyroam.net Operator of eduroam-US +1 (865) 236-0770 GPG key id: 0xF2636F9C > On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Coehoorn, Joel wrote: > > Add one counter-opinion. I tend to believe you **WILL** want coverage here, > and probably very soon; it's just what modern students expect. But at the > same time, this can be a very costly project just because "someone will need > it someday". > > **DO** add the switching and network drops to support the APs you'll need to > provide coverage. That part will be fairly cheap now, but grossly more > expensive afterwards. And **DO** have a bid in front of project planners to > handle the AP purchase, licensing, and installation. It's likely they'll make > the jump... > > ... but let those stakeholders make the decision. > > We had a project recently where we raised some funds to install new bleachers > and do a cosmetic refresh (paint and carpet) in a gym. I suggested that while > the old bleachers were gone was a good time to improve wifi support in the > building and gave a cost estimate to the project planners. They opted to do > the wifi updates, but it was their decision. > > > Joel Coehoorn > Director of Information Technology > 402.363.5603 > jcoeho...@york.edu <mailto:jcoeho...@york.edu> > > Please contact helpd...@york.edu <mailto:helpd...@york.edu> for technical > assistance. > > The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered > education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and > society > > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:36 PM Johnson, Christopher <mailto:cbjo...@ilstu.edu>> wrote: > Put it in while you can indeed to what Michael said. And funny point about > the “student expectation at times is unrealistic” as my co-worker overheard a > girl saying recently the “Wi-Fi” sucks, when her friend asked her why, it was > because it drops off under a 4 direction walk-way under-pass beneath an > intersection…. > > > > Christopher Johnson > > Wireless Network Engineer > > AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) > > Illinois State University > > (309) 438-8444 > > Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> > From: Johnson, Christopher > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:33 PM > To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> > Subject: RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > Same situation as with what Thomas Carter ran into. > > > > We ran into the same situation a few years ago -> currently have one AP in > the concert hall seating area and one in the theatre seating area (the > concert hall AP is up in the cat-walk and does a surprisingly good amount of > coverage/reflection around the area down below) -> because the rooms are used > for more that just theatre/performances – sometimes for classes and others > for important presentations/presenters. We were asked by a couple individuals > “can we just say no to Wifi” in those area during campus upgrade. We did add > several additional APs in the atrium area for where students study and the > back-stage areas for performers when taking their breaks. It was ultimately > decided no additional density due to cost (new work in old work). > > > > To the point about “distractions during performances and > presentations/“people would be using devices instead of watching the > performances” -> we got complaints again about Wi-Fi in the concert hall – > and one of the IT folks brought up a very good and interesting point “I think > several around me were more distracted by continual efforts to get a good > connection because that is what the expectation is these days. And the rest > were just flipped over to cell probably without knowing it.” > > > > Christopher Johnson > > Wireless Network Engineer > > AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) > > Illinois State University > > (309) 438-8444 > > Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> &g
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Add one counter-opinion. I tend to believe you **WILL** want coverage here, and probably very soon; it's just what modern students expect. But at the same time, this can be a very costly project just because "someone will need it someday". **DO** add the switching and network drops to support the APs you'll need to provide coverage. That part will be fairly cheap now, but grossly more expensive afterwards. And **DO** have a bid in front of project planners to handle the AP purchase, licensing, and installation. It's likely they'll make the jump... ... but let those stakeholders make the decision. We had a project recently where we raised some funds to install new bleachers and do a cosmetic refresh (paint and carpet) in a gym. I suggested that while the old bleachers were gone was a good time to improve wifi support in the building and gave a cost estimate to the project planners. They opted to do the wifi updates, but it was their decision. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology 402.363.5603 *jcoeho...@york.edu * *Please contact helpd...@york.edu for technical assistance.* The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:36 PM Johnson, Christopher wrote: > Put it in while you can indeed to what Michael said. And funny point about > the “student expectation at times is unrealistic” as my co-worker overheard > a girl saying recently the “Wi-Fi” sucks, when her friend asked her why, it > was because it drops off under a 4 direction walk-way under-pass beneath an > intersection…. > > > > *Christopher Johnson* > > Wireless Network Engineer > > AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) > > Illinois State University > > (309) 438-8444 > > Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> > > *From:* Johnson, Christopher > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:33 PM > *To:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Subject:* RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > Same situation as with what Thomas Carter ran into. > > > > We ran into the same situation a few years ago -> currently have one AP in > the concert hall seating area and one in the theatre seating area (the > concert hall AP is up in the cat-walk and does a surprisingly good amount > of coverage/reflection around the area down below) -> because the rooms are > used for more that just theatre/performances – *sometimes for classes and > others for important presentations/presenters*. We were asked by a couple > individuals “can we just say no to Wifi” in those area during campus > upgrade. *We did add several additional APs in the atrium area for where > students study and the back-stage areas for performers when taking their > breaks*. It was ultimately decided no additional density due to cost (new > work in old work). > > > > To the point about “distractions during performances and presentations/“people > would be using devices instead of watching the performances” -> we got > complaints again about Wi-Fi in the concert hall – and one of the IT folks > brought up a very good and interesting point *“I think several around me > were more distracted by continual efforts to get a good connection because > that is what the expectation is these days. And the rest were just flipped > over to cell probably without knowing it.”* > > > > *Christopher Johnson* > > Wireless Network Engineer > > AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) > > Illinois State University > > (309) 438-8444 > > Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Manon Lessard > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:37 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > *[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to > ab...@ilstu.edu ] * > > Not only do most students expect it, universities push their online > learning platforms, performers appreciate it and you can hand them “on the > cheap”, but there’s always the possibility that some are going to be used > for convocation ceremonies…meaning lots and lots of happy grads and their > parents who want to share over social media (e
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Put it in while you can indeed to what Michael said. And funny point about the “student expectation at times is unrealistic” as my co-worker overheard a girl saying recently the “Wi-Fi” sucks, when her friend asked her why, it was because it drops off under a 4 direction walk-way under-pass beneath an intersection…. Christopher Johnson Wireless Network Engineer AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) Illinois State University (309) 438-8444 Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> From: Johnson, Christopher Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:33 PM To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Subject: RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Same situation as with what Thomas Carter ran into. We ran into the same situation a few years ago -> currently have one AP in the concert hall seating area and one in the theatre seating area (the concert hall AP is up in the cat-walk and does a surprisingly good amount of coverage/reflection around the area down below) -> because the rooms are used for more that just theatre/performances – sometimes for classes and others for important presentations/presenters. We were asked by a couple individuals “can we just say no to Wifi” in those area during campus upgrade. We did add several additional APs in the atrium area for where students study and the back-stage areas for performers when taking their breaks. It was ultimately decided no additional density due to cost (new work in old work). To the point about “distractions during performances and presentations/“people would be using devices instead of watching the performances” -> we got complaints again about Wi-Fi in the concert hall – and one of the IT folks brought up a very good and interesting point “I think several around me were more distracted by continual efforts to get a good connection because that is what the expectation is these days. And the rest were just flipped over to cell probably without knowing it.” Christopher Johnson Wireless Network Engineer AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) Illinois State University (309) 438-8444 Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Manon Lessard Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] Not only do most students expect it, universities push their online learning platforms, performers appreciate it and you can hand them “on the cheap”, but there’s always the possibility that some are going to be used for convocation ceremonies…meaning lots and lots of happy grads and their parents who want to share over social media (else, beware of Spotted:Your Uni) Manon Lessard Technicienne en développement de systèmes CCNP, CWNE #275, ESCE Design Direction des technologies de l'information Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault 1055, avenue du Séminaire Bureau 0403 Université Laval, Québec (Québec) G1V 0A6, Canada 418 656-2131, poste 412853 Télécopieur : 418 656-7305 manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca<mailto:manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca> www.dti.ulaval.ca<http://www.dti.ulaval.ca/> Avis relatif à la confidentialité | Notice of Confidentiality<http://www.rec.ulaval.ca/lce/securite/confidentialite.htm> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Tomo mailto:t...@london.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 1:28 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have ATTENTION : L’émetteur de ce courriel est externe à l’Université Laval Évitez de cliquer sur un hyperlien, d’ouvrir une pièce jointe ou de transmettre des informations si vous ne connaissez pas l’expéditeur du courriel. En cas de doute, contactez l’équipe de soutien informatique de votre unité ou hameconn...@ulaval.ca<mailto:hameconn...@ulaval.ca>. I can think of some performers who have actively encouraged their audience to take pictures/videos and share them (live) on social media. Having decent connectivity obviously can support such activities. Install it! Tomo | Infra
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Same situation as with what Thomas Carter ran into. We ran into the same situation a few years ago -> currently have one AP in the concert hall seating area and one in the theatre seating area (the concert hall AP is up in the cat-walk and does a surprisingly good amount of coverage/reflection around the area down below) -> because the rooms are used for more that just theatre/performances – sometimes for classes and others for important presentations/presenters. We were asked by a couple individuals “can we just say no to Wifi” in those area during campus upgrade. We did add several additional APs in the atrium area for where students study and the back-stage areas for performers when taking their breaks. It was ultimately decided no additional density due to cost (new work in old work). To the point about “distractions during performances and presentations/“people would be using devices instead of watching the performances” -> we got complaints again about Wi-Fi in the concert hall – and one of the IT folks brought up a very good and interesting point “I think several around me were more distracted by continual efforts to get a good connection because that is what the expectation is these days. And the rest were just flipped over to cell probably without knowing it.” Christopher Johnson Wireless Network Engineer AT Infrastructure Operations & Networking (ION) Illinois State University (309) 438-8444 Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ISUITHelp/> and Twitter<https://twitter.com/ISUITHelp> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Manon Lessard Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:37 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] Not only do most students expect it, universities push their online learning platforms, performers appreciate it and you can hand them “on the cheap”, but there’s always the possibility that some are going to be used for convocation ceremonies…meaning lots and lots of happy grads and their parents who want to share over social media (else, beware of Spotted:Your Uni) Manon Lessard Technicienne en développement de systèmes CCNP, CWNE #275, ESCE Design Direction des technologies de l'information Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault 1055, avenue du Séminaire Bureau 0403 Université Laval, Québec (Québec) G1V 0A6, Canada 418 656-2131, poste 412853 Télécopieur : 418 656-7305 manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca<mailto:manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca> www.dti.ulaval.ca<http://www.dti.ulaval.ca/> Avis relatif à la confidentialité | Notice of Confidentiality<http://www.rec.ulaval.ca/lce/securite/confidentialite.htm> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Tomo mailto:t...@london.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 1:28 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have ATTENTION : L’émetteur de ce courriel est externe à l’Université Laval Évitez de cliquer sur un hyperlien, d’ouvrir une pièce jointe ou de transmettre des informations si vous ne connaissez pas l’expéditeur du courriel. En cas de doute, contactez l’équipe de soutien informatique de votre unité ou hameconn...@ulaval.ca<mailto:hameconn...@ulaval.ca>. I can think of some performers who have actively encouraged their audience to take pictures/videos and share them (live) on social media. Having decent connectivity obviously can support such activities. Install it! Tomo | Infrastructure Architect | Information Technology – Operations and Assurance London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | UK D: +44 (0)20 7000 | T: +44 (0)20 7000 7000 E: t...@london.edu<mailto:t...@london.edu> | W: www.london.edu<http://www.london.edu/> Connect with us: LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/school/5954> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/LBS> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/London-United-Kingdom/London-Business-School/14027365105> | Instagram<https://www.instagram.com/londonbschool/?hl=en> [cid:image001.jpg@01D58906.653EA0F0] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: 22 October 2019 18:24 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or no
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Not only do most students expect it, universities push their online learning platforms, performers appreciate it and you can hand them “on the cheap”, but there’s always the possibility that some are going to be used for convocation ceremonies…meaning lots and lots of happy grads and their parents who want to share over social media (else, beware of Spotted:Your Uni) Manon Lessard Technicienne en développement de systèmes CCNP, CWNE #275, ESCE Design Direction des technologies de l'information Pavillon Louis-Jacques-Casault 1055, avenue du Séminaire Bureau 0403 Université Laval, Québec (Québec) G1V 0A6, Canada 418 656-2131, poste 412853 Télécopieur : 418 656-7305 manon.less...@dti.ulaval.ca www.dti.ulaval.ca Avis relatif à la confidentialité | Notice of Confidentiality From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of Tomo Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 1:28 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have ATTENTION : L’émetteur de ce courriel est externe à l’Université Laval Évitez de cliquer sur un hyperlien, d’ouvrir une pièce jointe ou de transmettre des informations si vous ne connaissez pas l’expéditeur du courriel. En cas de doute, contactez l’équipe de soutien informatique de votre unité ou hameconn...@ulaval.ca. I can think of some performers who have actively encouraged their audience to take pictures/videos and share them (live) on social media. Having decent connectivity obviously can support such activities. Install it! Tomo | Infrastructure Architect | Information Technology – Operations and Assurance London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | UK D: +44 (0)20 7000 | T: +44 (0)20 7000 7000 E: t...@london.edu | W: www.london.edu Connect with us: LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: 22 October 2019 18:24 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Add me to the “install it” list as we’re going through this exact thing with our theater department. They have pushed back with concerns that “people would be using devices instead of watching the performances”. But that venue is used for more than just plays and we can’t stop people from looking at cell phones. Thomas Carter Network & Operations Manager / IT Austin College 900 North Grand Avenue Sherman, TX 75090 Phone: 903-813-2564 www.austincollege.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Dan Lauing Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have I'll jump on the install train. Every time I try to save the university money, it only comes back to bite me in the rear. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11 PM Benedick, Jason <bened...@stevenscollege.edu> wrote: I’d install it, you can always disable SSIDs in those areas to prevent people from using it, but I’d bet there will be something that will require it sooner rather than later. Thanks, Jason R. Benedick IT Generalist Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology Office: (717) 391-6957 Cell: (717) 587-9065 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> On Behalf Of Bull, Mary Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have This email originated from outside of Thaddeus Stevens College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or c
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
I can think of some performers who have actively encouraged their audience to take pictures/videos and share them (live) on social media. Having decent connectivity obviously can support such activities. Install it! Tomo | Infrastructure Architect | Information Technology – Operations and Assurance London Business School | Regent's Park | London NW1 4SA | UK D: +44 (0)20 7000 | T: +44 (0)20 7000 7000 E: t...@london.edu<mailto:t...@london.edu> | W: www.london.edu<http://www.london.edu/> Connect with us: LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/school/5954> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/LBS> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/London-United-Kingdom/London-Business-School/14027365105> | Instagram<https://www.instagram.com/londonbschool/?hl=en> [cid:image001.jpg@01D58906.653EA0F0] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Thomas Carter Sent: 22 October 2019 18:24 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Add me to the “install it” list as we’re going through this exact thing with our theater department. They have pushed back with concerns that “people would be using devices instead of watching the performances”. But that venue is used for more than just plays and we can’t stop people from looking at cell phones. Thomas Carter Network & Operations Manager / IT Austin College 900 North Grand Avenue Sherman, TX 75090 Phone: 903-813-2564 www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Dan Lauing Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have I'll jump on the install train. Every time I try to save the university money, it only comes back to bite me in the rear. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11 PM Benedick, Jason mailto:bened...@stevenscollege.edu>> wrote: I’d install it, you can always disable SSIDs in those areas to prevent people from using it, but I’d bet there will be something that will require it sooner rather than later. Thanks, Jason R. Benedick IT Generalist Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology Office: (717) 391-6957 Cell: (717) 587-9065 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Bull, Mary Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have This email originated from outside of Thaddeus Stevens College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu<mailto:mb...@wm.edu> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.educause.edu%2fcommunity&c=E,1,XsLJ-nYhB1j4pWmapTeUPsS_DngRo5yaWiSEyIMxfqYW-pPqCceAo6u4a5snIDyMLEupSaQsyS0km8q_8IiLZXvsobhj_ABTwk1FhzgvAw,,&typo=1> *This electronic communication from TSCT is confidential and intended solely for use by the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the named recipient do not forward, propagate or replicate this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and remove from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action depend
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Add me to the “install it” list as we’re going through this exact thing with our theater department. They have pushed back with concerns that “people would be using devices instead of watching the performances”. But that venue is used for more than just plays and we can’t stop people from looking at cell phones. Thomas Carter Network & Operations Manager / IT Austin College 900 North Grand Avenue Sherman, TX 75090 Phone: 903-813-2564 www.austincollege.edu<http://www.austincollege.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Dan Lauing Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have I'll jump on the install train. Every time I try to save the university money, it only comes back to bite me in the rear. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11 PM Benedick, Jason mailto:bened...@stevenscollege.edu>> wrote: I’d install it, you can always disable SSIDs in those areas to prevent people from using it, but I’d bet there will be something that will require it sooner rather than later. Thanks, Jason R. Benedick IT Generalist Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology Office: (717) 391-6957 Cell: (717) 587-9065 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Bull, Mary Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have This email originated from outside of Thaddeus Stevens College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu<mailto:mb...@wm.edu> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.educause.edu%2fcommunity&c=E,1,XsLJ-nYhB1j4pWmapTeUPsS_DngRo5yaWiSEyIMxfqYW-pPqCceAo6u4a5snIDyMLEupSaQsyS0km8q_8IiLZXvsobhj_ABTwk1FhzgvAw,,&typo=1> *This electronic communication from TSCT is confidential and intended solely for use by the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the named recipient do not forward, propagate or replicate this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and remove from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action dependent upon the contents of this email or attachment is strictly prohibited.* ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.educause.edu%2fcommunity&c=E,1,J5PSEMrdu8sTESY3P9FJ3wZO4v-knMv9SphPMn_3yI75I583bL6Z9Ha52BGbz1HkGQfjhWZfPLTf5E0YKIHgufKHUrLaKY3VVSK3Rld50jM,&typo=1> -- [https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.mc.edu%2fsignature%2flogo.gif&c=E,1,UlttKCmh_chxMciGwBGl8V4mHkWNPjmWGeSSlyv-zTFHDgwP1H2RoyMuuz6IvuuuEbDZh0wklrZm5xfAYrF6m995NfjAD0u-gYkbLeGiyrWKZR0Kp17NiQBKYg,,&typo=1] dan b. lauing ii | CWAP, CWSP, CWDP Wireless Network Engineer Mississippi College CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: This communication may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or if you are not authorized to receive this communication, please notify and retu
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
I'll jump on the install train. Every time I try to save the university money, it only comes back to bite me in the rear. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 12:11 PM Benedick, Jason < bened...@stevenscollege.edu> wrote: > I’d install it, you can always disable SSIDs in those areas to prevent > people from using it, but I’d bet there will be something that will require > it sooner rather than later. > > > > Thanks, > > Jason R. Benedick > > IT Generalist > > Thaddeus Stevens College of Technology > > Office: (717) 391-6957 Cell: (717) 587-9065 > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Bull, Mary > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have > > > > *This email originated from outside of Thaddeus Stevens College. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. * > > Hello all, > > > > I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the > theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new > arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear > direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. > The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, > did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked > on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning > is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially > since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty > changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, > I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that > they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? > > > > Mary Bull > > William and Mary > > 757-221-2491 > > mb...@wm.edu > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > *This electronic communication from TSCT is confidential and > intended solely for use by the individual to whom it is addressed. If you > are not the named recipient do not forward, propagate or replicate this > e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received > this message by mistake and remove from your system. If you are not the > intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing > or taking any action dependent upon the contents of this email or > attachment is strictly prohibited.* > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > -- dan b. lauing ii | CWAP, CWSP, CWDP Wireless Network Engineer Mississippi College -- * * *CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT:* This communication may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient or if you are not authorized to receive this communication, please notify and return the message to the sender, *then delete this communication including any attachments*. Unauthorized reviewing, forwarding, copying, distributing or using this information is strictly prohibited. ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
Several years ago, the University of Minnesota gutted and redid the big ~3000 seat auditorium on the Twin Cities campus, Northrop Memorial Auditorium. One of the driving factors to put WiFi in the auditorium space came from consultants, who emphasized the importance of social media. We had to hide the APs of course. On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:44 AM Bull, Mary wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the > theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new > arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear > direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. > The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, > did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked > on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning > is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially > since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty > changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, > I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that > they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? > > > > Mary Bull > > William and Mary > > 757-221-2491 > > mb...@wm.edu > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire > community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the > message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. > Additional participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community > -- Steve Fletty Network Engineer Office of Information Technology (OIT) University of Minnesota Phone: 612-625-1048 Email: fle...@umn.edu ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
We just had a new arts building come online in a very similar scenario. One of the biggest pains for us was dealing with the acoustic, aesthetic, and monetary constraints of getting wireless into some of the acoustically engineered concert halls. Our campus standard is for wireless coverage in all spaces. [University of Nevada, Reno]<http://www.unr.edu/> Chris Ressel Senior Network Engineer Office of Information Technology 1664 N. Virginia St. Mailstop 430 work-phone: 7756826034 email: cres...@unr.edu<mailto:cres...@unr.edu> website: https://oit.unr.edu<https://oit.unr.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of "Mallon, Jason" Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 9:48 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have As of right now we are only doing wireless backstage and in the ticketing booths. There is some bleed over into the audience section, but we are not trying to cover an entire theater. Haven’t been asked to do this as of yet. All of our theaters have been in place for years and getting this done now would be a nightmare. If a new theater was coming up I would probably do the design work and get the pipes to the correct places so that we would have the option to do something in the future. Thanks, Jason Mallon | Network Engineer III [/var/folders/h2/r448cc4j4_v70yns10brx6r0gq/T/com.microsoft.Outlook/Content.MSO/90F25235.tmp] OIT The University of Alabama <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ua.edu%2F&data=01%7C01%7Ccressel%40UNR.EDU%7C4d1bd6143fe448d588aa08d7570fb454%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=kvGeadI3lWN4SwKWGOCgqI6W3WaF0b%2F7NZWIcPQZWYI%3D&reserved=0>jemal...@ua.edu<mailto:jemal...@ua.edu> [/var/folders/h2/r448cc4j4_v70yns10brx6r0gq/T/com.microsoft.Outlook/Content.MSO/8434B70B.tmp] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of "Bull, Mary" Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:44 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=01%7C01%7Ccressel%40UNR.EDU%7C4d1bd6143fe448d588aa08d7570fb454%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=qFSiXB8EFCoqmF4CzSFOT24VQUg7%2FPjc%2FVCprSY4O9Q%3D&reserved=0> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=01%7C01%7Ccressel%40UNR.EDU%7C4d1bd6143fe448d588aa08d7570fb454%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=qFSiXB8EFCoqmF4CzSFOT24VQUg7%2FPjc%2FVCprSY4O9Q%3D&reserved=0> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
There was never any question, we have always offered wireless in these locations. However, none of ours are old enough for the word "historic" to be involved, so we have it pretty easy. -- Hunter Fuller Router Jockey VBH Annex B-5 +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Network Engineering On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 11:44 AM Bull, Mary wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the > theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts > complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction > from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous > main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have > full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that > were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward > building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much > harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few > years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is > really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they > attend a show or concert. > > > > Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? > > > > Mary Bull > > William and Mary > > 757-221-2491 > > mb...@wm.edu > > ** > Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community > list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and > paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional > participation and subscription information can be found at > https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
As of right now we are only doing wireless backstage and in the ticketing booths. There is some bleed over into the audience section, but we are not trying to cover an entire theater. Haven’t been asked to do this as of yet. All of our theaters have been in place for years and getting this done now would be a nightmare. If a new theater was coming up I would probably do the design work and get the pipes to the correct places so that we would have the option to do something in the future. Thanks, Jason Mallon | Network Engineer III [/var/folders/h2/r448cc4j4_v70yns10brx6r0gq/T/com.microsoft.Outlook/Content.MSO/90F25235.tmp] OIT The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/>jemal...@ua.edu<mailto:jemal...@ua.edu> [/var/folders/h2/r448cc4j4_v70yns10brx6r0gq/T/com.microsoft.Outlook/Content.MSO/8434B70B.tmp] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of "Bull, Mary" Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 11:44 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
RE: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have
On our campus wireless is always expected every where, whether in theater halls, parking lots, classrooms or outside walking between buildings. The students expectation at times is unrealistic, when it gets to off campus apartments in the neighborhood. Put it in while you’re doing the planning and it will be there for you when you need it. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Bull, Mary Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 12:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXT] [WIRELESS-LAN] Theater wifi - to have or not to have Hello all, I’m wondering if anyone here has dealt with a decision on wireless in the theaters, concert halls, or recital halls on their campus. We have a new arts complex coming on line in the next two years and there’s no clear direction from faculty on whether wireless for the audience is desirable. The previous main theater, and other currently used theaters on campus, did/do not have full connectivity for the audience (just a few aps tacked on the walls that were useless when the room was full). Facilities planning is favorable toward building it in, so I’d prefer that too, especially since it would be much harder or impossible to install if the faculty changes their mind in a few years once the building is complete. However, I’m not sure whether there is really an expectation from the audience that they should have wifi when they attend a show or concert. Has anyone dealt with this on their campus? What influenced your choice? Mary Bull William and Mary 757-221-2491 mb...@wm.edu<mailto:mb...@wm.edu> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.educause.edu%2Fcommunity&data=02%7C01%7Cmcole%40CLARKU.EDU%7C0c616a8ee6194cfb88cd08d7570f15b5%7Cb5b2263d68aa453eb972aa1421410f80%7C1%7C1%7C637073594622688357&sdata=%2FXOXX1R4d9orwficOHs1lX0qYAuaREV8J1oJ74y0A0g%3D&reserved=0> ** Replies to EDUCAUSE Community Group emails are sent to the entire community list. If you want to reply only to the person who sent the message, copy and paste their email address and forward the email reply. Additional participation and subscription information can be found at https://www.educause.edu/community
