Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Tristan Gulyas]

Hi,

We're using the cisco 881G-W ISR on our shuttle busses (x 5) and offer the same 
eduroam/guest access service as we do on our production network, complete with 
the ability to roam to/from a bus and onto the campus WiFi network.  The AP is 
a single-band 2.4GHz-only inbuilt lightweight AP that talks to our Cisco WLCs.

We use our local telco provider (Telstra) for 3G backhaul to the Internet and 
we use a DMVPN network for our remote sites, so the routers on the bus follow 
our standard remote site configuration.  The APs currently tunnel everything 
back to the WLC, which works fine except for when the cellular network drops 
out, causing the AP to drop its CAPWAP tunnel.

We have three routes for shuttle busses - one is approx 35 minutes, the other 
two are approx 20 minutes.

Cheers,
Tristan

> On 19 Nov 2015, at 4:56 AM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
> this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
> 
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
> in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events. 
>  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the 
> students could log into with their devices.
> 
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or 
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
> 
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Wurst
> Network Engineer II
> Denison University
> Fellows 003B
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Adam T Ferrero]

  We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul with 
an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access point that 
is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be Meru but I know 
Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is tunneled back encrypted 
through the controller.

  This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
between campuses.

  Adam

[Adam T  Ferrero]

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Britton Anderson]

Check with your constituents and see if there is a government contract with
the cellular providers for data services. I realize this may not help
Denison as a private institution, but there are unlimited data options that
are available for very reasonable prices that would be great for these
types of applications.



Britton Anderson  | Senior Network Communications
Specialist | University of Alaska  | 907.450.8250

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Barros, Jacob  wrote:

> We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
> great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
> any questions you have.
>
> http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/
>
> Jake
>
>
> Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
>> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>>
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>>
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this
>> or have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>>
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Wurst
>> Network Engineer II
>> Denison University
>> Fellows 003B
>> wur...@denison.edu
>> 740-587-6229
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Ciesinski, Nick]

Daniel,

Several years back Cisco had a similar setup in some transportation busses for 
their Cisco Live conference to showcase some technology.  The devices would 
give wifi access to passengers over cellular when away from the conference 
center and when the bus got close it would switch over to the conference wifi 
for the backhaul.  They also had a small camera in the bus transmitting footage 
back to the demo booth.

They did this with Cisco 819 hardened routers.  Since then we have implemented 
a similar setup in our police squads.  While it works great the only concern I 
would have for a bus load of students is the speed of the cellular connection 
and carrier download caps and overage billing.

If you want to know more about what we did let me know.

Nick Ciesinski
University of Wisconsin - Whitewater

On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Daniel Wurst 
> wrote:

Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Barros, Jacob]

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had
great success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer
any questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
> Thank you,
>
> --
> Daniel Wurst
> Network Engineer II
> Denison University
> Fellows 003B
> wur...@denison.edu
> 740-587-6229
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Turner, Ryan H]

We didn’t deploy this on the athletic buses, but we did do something similar 
for a traveling science bus.  Rather than build the service into the bus, we 
built a portable suitcase (a pelican like case).  On the exterior we mounted a 
dual (diversity) enclosed antenna array complete with a GPS atenna.  That 
attached to a sierra wireless bridge inside of the unit.  Attached to the 
sierra wireless bridge was an Aruba Remote access point.  This was all powered 
through a 120V to 12V power supply.

We have been approached by another school to do something similar for a bus 
that will be used to evaluate rural patients.

I do have to ask the potentials customers if this expensive setup is really 
worth it.  They can use a MiFi and it work just fine.

The pros with our custom setup is:

1)  Higher performance through specialized antennas

2)  Seamless integration with the campus through the remote access point 
(no VPN connections required)

The cons are cost.  The unit I build runs around $2000.

Ryan H Turner
Senior Network Engineer
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599
+1 919 445 0113 Office
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:49 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

We put a cell network based device in two busses this Fall and have had great 
success with it so far.  Internet access only.  I am glad to answer any 
questions you have.

http://www.yoursinglepoint.com/

Jake


Jacob Barros  |  Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Wurst 
<wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>> wrote:
Hi,

This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.

Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless connectivity 
in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to sporting events.  
My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot spot that the students 
could log into with their devices.

I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or have 
any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.

Appreciate any feedback on this topic.

Thank you,

--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer II
Denison University
Fellows 003B
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jeremy Gibbs]

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it
would work very well for you.




*--Jeremy L. Gibbs*
Sr. Network Engineer
Utica College IITS

T: (315) 223-2383
F: (315) 792-3814
E: jlgi...@utica.edu
http://www.utica.edu

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero <a...@temple.edu> wrote:

>
>
>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few
> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul
> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access
> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be
> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is
> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>
>
>
>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute
> commute between campuses.
>
>
>
>   Adam
>
>
>
> [image: Adam T Ferrero]
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part
> of this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>
>
>
> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless
> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to
> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot
> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>
>
>
> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or
> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>
>
>
> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> --
>
> Daniel Wurst
>
> Network Engineer II
>
> Denison University
>
> Fellows 003B
>
> wur...@denison.edu
>
> 740-587-6229
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Jake Snyder]

For mobile applications I've done both Cradlepoint and Cisco.  Cisco is nice 
because everyone knows how to manage Cisco Routers.  The Cradlepoint solution 
has some added benefits.  Cloud management is nice, as is being able to look at 
GPS data.  Also the "Wifi As WAN" feature on the Cradlepoint makes it an 
excellent candidate to offload video data via wifi when they are in the bus 
barn.

The other piece is Cradlepoint can support 2 sims in the IBR1100 and you can 
change carrier by downloading code.  They also have a second radio module so 
you can have two active carriers to keep people connected when one doesn't have 
service.

I've not played with the Aerohive solution, but I think they are Verizon only 
(can someone confirm?).

The other company to look at might be peplink.

Thanks
Jake Snyder
jsny...@compunet.biz
208-286-3015

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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Jeremy Gibbs <jlgi...@utica.edu> wrote:
> 
> I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
> Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it 
> would work very well for you.  
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jeremy L. Gibbs
> Sr. Network Engineer
> Utica College IITS
> 
> T: (315) 223-2383
> F: (315) 792-3814
> E: jlgi...@utica.edu
> http://www.utica.edu
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Adam T Ferrero <a...@temple.edu> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>>   We put some gear on our shuttle buses that travel between campuses a few 
>> years ago.  Basically a Cradlepoint router (Verizon LTE cellular backhaul 
>> with an ethernet hand off).  That ethernet hand off goes to a wifi access 
>> point that is able to do dns lookup and find its controller (happens to be 
>> Meru but I know Aruba does supports similar mechanisms).  Everything is 
>> tunneled back encrypted through the controller.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   This has served us well for those students that enjoy a 45 minute commute 
>> between campuses.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>   Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM
>> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is my first post in this group.  I have really enjoyed being a part of 
>> this group and have learned quite a bit so you thank you to all members.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Recently I was asked If there was a way we could supply wireless 
>> connectivity in our athletic buses for student athletes as they travel to 
>> sporting events.  My thoughts would be some kind of cellular network hot 
>> spot that the students could log into with their devices.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I was wondering if other Universities have attempted anything like this or 
>> have any hot spot devices they would recommend for this use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Appreciate any feedback on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Daniel Wurst
>> 
>> Network Engineer II
>> 
>> Denison University
>> 
>> Fellows 003B
>> 
>> wur...@denison.edu
>> 
>> 740-587-6229
>> 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

[Smith, Todd]

I am not snicking, I think Aerohive equipment is pretty nice and I looked it 
when it was still in early beta.  I see them gaining more traction over the 
years since they seem to be do a good job at what they have focused on.

Todd

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeremy Gibbs
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 14:31
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options in Athletic Buses

I know people may snicker at this but take a look at the offerings from 
Aerohive for this.  I demoed a solution that was VERY slick.  I think it would 
work very well for you.


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