RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
"We need to attract new developers to WiTango." Yes Heh, Funny Scott. They're only 15 hours ahead of us. I'm looking forward to an announcement as well. New product and features are great, but marketing and advertising for WiTango interest me just as much. We need to attract new developers to WiTango. Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-06-08 3:48 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? On Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:32am, Phil Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Yes Our buddy Phil must have been burning the midnight oil, as they say down under. Either that, or he's in a different timezone 8-? > > On 06/02/2008, at 1:23 AM, Dan Stein wrote: > >> Are we still on track for the announcement this week? >> -- >> >> Dan Stein >> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >> Digital Software Solutions >> 799 Evergreen Circle >> Telford PA 18969 >> Land: 215-799-0192 >> Cell: 610-256-2843 >> Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) >> FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Gandhi >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Phil Wade wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> As we have done with previous years down here in the southern >>> hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the >>> rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a >>> statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Neighbor, >>>> >>>>> Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms >>>>> to use for >>>>> our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. >>>> >>>> True. >>>> >>>> But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining >>>> this list for us. >>>> >>>> Thank you Phil! >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >> >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Heh, Funny Scott. They're only 15 hours ahead of us. I'm looking forward to an announcement as well. New product and features are great, but marketing and advertising for WiTango interest me just as much. We need to attract new developers to WiTango. Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-06-08 3:48 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? On Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:32am, Phil Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Yes Our buddy Phil must have been burning the midnight oil, as they say down under. Either that, or he's in a different timezone 8-? > > On 06/02/2008, at 1:23 AM, Dan Stein wrote: > >> Are we still on track for the announcement this week? >> -- >> >> Dan Stein >> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >> Digital Software Solutions >> 799 Evergreen Circle >> Telford PA 18969 >> Land: 215-799-0192 >> Cell: 610-256-2843 >> Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) >> FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Gandhi >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Phil Wade wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> As we have done with previous years down here in the southern >>> hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the >>> rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a >>> statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Neighbor, >>>> >>>>> Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms >>>>> to use for >>>>> our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. >>>> >>>> True. >>>> >>>> But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining >>>> this list for us. >>>> >>>> Thank you Phil! >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >> >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
On Wednesday, February 6, 2008 7:32am, Phil Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Yes Our buddy Phil must have been burning the midnight oil, as they say down under. Either that, or he's in a different timezone 8-? > > On 06/02/2008, at 1:23 AM, Dan Stein wrote: > >> Are we still on track for the announcement this week? >> -- >> >> Dan Stein >> FileMaker 7 Certified Developer >> Digital Software Solutions >> 799 Evergreen Circle >> Telford PA 18969 >> Land: 215-799-0192 >> Cell: 610-256-2843 >> Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) >> FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Gandhi >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Phil Wade wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> As we have done with previous years down here in the southern >>> hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the >>> rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a >>> statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: >>> Hi Neighbor, > Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms > to use for > our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. True. But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this list for us. Thank you Phil! Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >>> >> >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Yes On 06/02/2008, at 1:23 AM, Dan Stein wrote: Are we still on track for the announcement this week? -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Gandhi On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Phil Wade wrote: Hi, As we have done with previous years down here in the southern hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. Regards Phil On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Hi Neighbor, Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to use for our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. True. But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this list for us. Thank you Phil! Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Are we still on track for the announcement this week? -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "There is more to life than increasing its speed." Gandhi On Jan 30, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Phil Wade wrote: Hi, As we have done with previous years down here in the southern hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. Regards Phil On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Hi Neighbor, Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to use for our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. True. But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this list for us. Thank you Phil! Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
We all look forward to that I hope it really is next week and does not drag on as it has before. This recent thread about frameworks has been a most interesting discussion and one of the best Witango positive ones in a long time. Clearly there is a need out there for frameworks that can do what the witango Framework does. Dan -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com 'I wonder why we say that people are of different "races". It seems to me, we're all running at the same speed and heading towards the same destination. The only "winners" are the ones who've made the world a better place for having been here.' >From for Better or Worse 2/28/2006 > From: Phil Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "witango-talk@witango.com" > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:20:58 +1100 > To: "witango-talk@witango.com" > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > Hi, > As we have done with previous years down here in the southern > hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the > rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a > statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. > > Regards > > Phil > > > On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > >> Hi Neighbor, >> >>> Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to >>> use for >>> our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. >> >> True. >> >> But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this >> list for us. >> >> Thank you Phil! >> >> Scott, >> >> >> >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Phil. make it free and make money on support licensing for corporations. Easy model and it works. - Original Message From: Phil Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:20:58 AM Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Hi, As we have done with previous years down here in the southern hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. Regards Phil On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: > Hi Neighbor, > >> Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to >> use for >> our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. > > True. > > But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this > list for us. > > Thank you Phil! > > Scott, > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Hi, As we have done with previous years down here in the southern hemisphere we all go on summer holidays in January. Myself and the rest of the team will be back on board next week and I will make a statement about new pricing and licensing for version 6 then. Regards Phil On 30/01/2008, at 7:19 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Hi Neighbor, Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to use for our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list. True. But despite it all, we have to give Phil credit for maintaining this list for us. Thank you Phil! Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Hi All,
I have committed to Robert That I will help him with that forum.
The key to conversion is to get the frame work going, in PHP there is
so many ways to retrieve data from database that it can look
overwhelming at that start.
and most of the example for dealing with data retrieval in PHP is a
mesh of PHP and SQL mixed together, and on the PHP forums I frequent I
see this over and over where the people can wrap there head around
dealing with data this way.
The approach Robert took helps separated the getting of the data from
the working with the data, so like in witango you know that the search
action is going to return a resultset, and then you just iterate thru
the result set, with the code Robert posted in previous email it takes
the data returned and turns it into a PHP associative array and then
you just write code base on the named result set
so as you can see it is a simple matter from this point,
below is an example of a "Search action" with a "Table of All Values"
$query = "SQL Statement here"
$inarray = $global_app->getResultSetFromConn($myconn,$query);
if (count($inarray) > 0) {
//create table from search
$bool_header = true;
$res = "";
$res = "";
if ($bool_header){
foreach($inarray[0] as $key => $val){
$res .= "" . $key .
"";
}
$res .= "";
}
$res .= "";
foreach($inarray as $rows){
$colIdx = 0;
$colVal = '';
foreach ($rows as $cols){
if ($colIdx == 0) $colVal = $cols;
if ($colIdx == 0) {
$res .= "_function=detail&row=".$colVal.">" . $cols . "";
}else {
$res .= "" . $cols . "";
}
$colIdx += 1;
}
$res .= "";
}
$res .= "";
echo $res;
}
Ben
On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Robert Garcia wrote:
I never made it live. I have not done the extra work on this stuff,
because I have not seen more than 5 people show any more than mild
interest.
For the record, if you want me to post a complete witango and ported
php site, with forum for support, send me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the subject: witango2php
If I get more than about 15-20 responses, I will do it free of
charge, for the community. If I don't receive enough interest, I
will just give you my contact info, and you can approach me one on
one if you need help.
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Kent Swisher wrote:
Robert
Where can I find this forum?
--
--> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools
--> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer
--> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116)
On 1/25/2008 3:12 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
I have built a forum for people to discuss the issues of witango
porting to php, and a place to view code snippets and frameworks
we have built. But its purely a volunteer thing, and so hard to
find the time.
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Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I never made it live. I have not done the extra work on this stuff, because I have not seen more than 5 people show any more than mild interest. For the record, if you want me to post a complete witango and ported php site, with forum for support, send me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: witango2php If I get more than about 15-20 responses, I will do it free of charge, for the community. If I don't receive enough interest, I will just give you my contact info, and you can approach me one on one if you need help. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Kent Swisher wrote: Robert Where can I find this forum? -- --> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools --> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer --> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116) On 1/25/2008 3:12 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: I have built a forum for people to discuss the issues of witango porting to php, and a place to view code snippets and frameworks we have built. But its purely a volunteer thing, and so hard to find the time. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Robert Where can I find this forum? -- --> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools --> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer --> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED] --> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116) On 1/25/2008 3:12 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: I have built a forum for people to discuss the issues of witango porting to php, and a place to view code snippets and frameworks we have built. But its purely a volunteer thing, and so hard to find the time. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Here, but moving away from Witango for the same reasons others have pointed out. -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Also lurking... On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Beverly Voth wrote: On 1/25/08 3:03 PM, "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Presently lurking... Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf -- Dale Graham, PhD Technical Manager, NIDB NIH Intramural DataBase Annual Reports, NIH Bibliography, Scientific Directory [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Dan Stein wrote: I would very very be interested and would be willing to pay Ben for help. I would still work in WT where I can but wold love to do more PHP if I had those tools that are some familiar to me in Witango Looks like this concept (all I could remember was the fuse part of the name) did have some legs, they have a decent site and now support PHP. I think it would be possibly easier to take what they are doing and meld it with the Tango concepts and then a tool that might allow people to get up to speed with PHP quickly. http://www.fusebox.org/ But the bottom line for me is, if there was a stable current version of the editor I would pay for it. The comments on the list of all the problems has kept me from upgrading. I don't even have the time to waste to try out the freebie version. M./ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Other IDE Prototyping and Porting systems.
That is very cool, especially with the number languages it outputs to. I have looked at many of these, and the only problem I have had, is they almost always use old php 4 code, and older methods to connect to mysql. Over time, I am guessing more of them will catch up. I only felt compelled to use PHP when it reached version 5, and also the new mysqli connectors. That demo was very nice. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 25, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Brian Mowers wrote: Alan, Have you heard of CodeCharge Studio? This Development Environment allows you to do just that. You can rapidly develop an application with their IDE then "port" over to the following languages: All of the following: ASP (VBScript), .NET (C#), .NET (VB), PHP, ColdFusion, Perl, Java Servlets, JSP It is stable, cheap and fast! I use it to connect to R:base database and have built some small projects. Most of my large apps are still in Tango4 and will be ported soon. View a quick demo on the System: http://www.yessoftware.com/download/files/flash/dc/AppBuilder_TaskManager.html Home Page: http://www.yessoftware.com/index2.php ~Brian At 07:03 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote: A lot of people have talked about how you can use witango to rapidly prototype code, or rapidly develop web apps, and other people have talked about how expensive it is to use witango. I really like how witango has the ability to export as java and IMO it seems like there might be a really good strategy here... Imagine if the witango editor was a stand alone "dev studio" type app where you could create and prototype things quickly then say "execute" to fire up a limited witango server (like the lite or trial version) to test your code right there as you were developing it. When you were done developing, you could choose to export as Java, PHP, CF, asp/asp.net, or whatever other languages may be popular at the time. Also available for sale was the servers that are sold now that could run the native witango code (and maybe had some other pluses as to why youd want to use it vs the exportable languages) I'm not much of a business man, and don't know if this would be a good model to go with, but it sounds like a neat idea to me Web developers like us could buy the witango editor for maybe a couple hundred dollars and write things quickly and export it to whatever language our clients may want keeping us and our clients happy. Then also, if we wanted a highly optomized witango specific server we could buy that too for the clients who wanted to go that route. Seems like it would help keep the community alive and get more exposure to witango while also generating revenue. But yeah, I'm no business expert and don't know With's current status or business model :P On 1/25/08, Chuck Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in > .NET > > I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the > "witango envelope". > > Nice to see people checking in though > > Chuck Lockwood > LockData Technologies > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > > for everyone (: > > Either that or everybody else has left... > > Maybe we should have a roll-call? > > PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2 - Release Date: 1/12/2008 12:00 AM TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I would very very be interested and would be willing to pay Ben for help. I would still work in WT where I can but wold love to do more PHP if I had those tools that are some familiar to me in Witango. Dan -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 (call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The mind is its own place and in itself can make heaven of hell or a hell of a heaven." John Milton On Jan 25, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: I have toyed with the best way to do that. I have built a forum for people to discuss the issues of witango porting to php, and a place to view code snippets and frameworks we have built. But its purely a volunteer thing, and so hard to find the time. I have been thinking about it more, and I think the best thing to help the community may be just to release some code out there, and let you figure it out. When I started my move to PHP, I picked a smaller site, but filled with complexity. http://www.binder-usa.com/ It is not large but has a lot of complex stuff for a small site. I created a framework for things like domain variables and stuff, and also had to build a framework for dealing with arrays. Witango 2 php is difficult, unless you build a way to get results sets in php, that you handle like you did in witango, then you can just do a lot of straight porting. So if you have 2 dimensional arrays in php, like you do all the time (resultsets) in witango, it gets much easier. But then, how do you <@filter, or any other type of tag in witango, in php, so I built lots of functions in php, that mimic things like @filter. You would be surprised how much faster they are also. After I did this one site, I made the framework generic, and gave to other developers working for me to port other more complex witango sites, like eventpix.com. During this, the framework, and functions have been improved upon, especially by Ben Johansen, who has worked for me for the last 2 years or so. All that to say, I am thinking of putting up the binder witango code, and the php port of it, available to download. But it would require the commitment of Ben also to support people on the forum that needed help with it, or updated functions. If Ben is willing, I think I can probably have this up for people within a month. I would really only take a coupe of days, but I say a month, because I am busy. If you are interested in this, let me know. Also, Ben would have to commit to helping others voluntarily, because I don't think I could do by myself. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Kent Swisher wrote: To Robert Garcia I have started developing in PHP but find it very slow to develop compared to witango. The old witango builder wizard worked for 80% of our stuff and I really miss it in PHP. Did you ever publish your white paper on how to convert witango to Zend PHP? Would you consider sharing some of your custom functions? Do you use Zend Framework in your projects now? -> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools -> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer -> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116) On 1/25/2008 1:31 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: Thats not a good sign. Present. Still have 2 large clients on witango, one is already being ported to Zend/PHP, the other looks like it will go this year. The thing is, even if witango gets v6 out the door, it has become SO FAR BEHIND when it comes to features and reliability. Then couple that with the fact that is extremely expensive, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind picking witango as a new dev platform, unless they have a client or legacy app to support. > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Other IDE Prototyping and Porting systems.
Alan, Have you heard of CodeCharge Studio? This Development Environment allows you to do just that. You can rapidly develop an application with their IDE then "port" over to the following languages: All of the following: ASP (VBScript), .NET (C#), .NET (VB), PHP, ColdFusion, Perl, Java Servlets, JSP It is stable, cheap and fast! I use it to connect to R:base database and have built some small projects. Most of my large apps are still in Tango4 and will be ported soon. View a quick demo on the System: http://www.yessoftware.com/download/files/flash/dc/AppBuilder_TaskManager.html Home Page: http://www.yessoftware.com/index2.php ~Brian At 07:03 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote: A lot of people have talked about how you can use witango to rapidly prototype code, or rapidly develop web apps, and other people have talked about how expensive it is to use witango. I really like how witango has the ability to export as java and IMO it seems like there might be a really good strategy here... Imagine if the witango editor was a stand alone "dev studio" type app where you could create and prototype things quickly then say "execute" to fire up a limited witango server (like the lite or trial version) to test your code right there as you were developing it. When you were done developing, you could choose to export as Java, PHP, CF, asp/asp.net, or whatever other languages may be popular at the time. Also available for sale was the servers that are sold now that could run the native witango code (and maybe had some other pluses as to why youd want to use it vs the exportable languages) I'm not much of a business man, and don't know if this would be a good model to go with, but it sounds like a neat idea to me Web developers like us could buy the witango editor for maybe a couple hundred dollars and write things quickly and export it to whatever language our clients may want keeping us and our clients happy. Then also, if we wanted a highly optomized witango specific server we could buy that too for the clients who wanted to go that route. Seems like it would help keep the community alive and get more exposure to witango while also generating revenue. But yeah, I'm no business expert and don't know With's current status or business model :P On 1/25/08, Chuck Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in > .NET > > I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the > "witango envelope". > > Nice to see people checking in though > > Chuck Lockwood > LockData Technologies > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > > for everyone (: > > Either that or everybody else has left... > > Maybe we should have a roll-call? > > PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2 - Release Date: 1/12/2008 12:00 AM TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I'm here and still using WiTango... -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
What license do we want? -- Original Message -- From: "Mikal Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: witango-talk@witango.com Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:42:47 -0800 >Present and lurking . . . > >Talked to Phil last week, asked him the status of v6. His reply was "Stay >tune. We're going to be changing the licensing soon." Perhaps someone here >can interpret this cryptic reply?. > >Beyond that he wouldn't comment & did not answer the status question. > >For What it is Worth, > >Mikal Anderson >Lake Oswego, Oregon > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:03 PM >Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > >> Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. >> >> Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly >> for everyone (: > >Either that or everybody else has left... > >Maybe we should have a roll-call? > >PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) > > >Scott, > > > > > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 >8:32 PM > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I could see how someone could take my framework, and then build on it, and then export witango to php code. Prototyping in witango is great. But no one is going to do it, unless they already own witango. There is really no compelling reason to buy into it, so expensive, for prototyping. So you would spend all that time and money to build it, for just the remaining people in witango to use. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Alan Wolfe wrote: A lot of people have talked about how you can use witango to rapidly prototype code, or rapidly develop web apps, and other people have talked about how expensive it is to use witango. I really like how witango has the ability to export as java and IMO it seems like there might be a really good strategy here... Imagine if the witango editor was a stand alone "dev studio" type app where you could create and prototype things quickly then say "execute" to fire up a limited witango server (like the lite or trial version) to test your code right there as you were developing it. When you were done developing, you could choose to export as Java, PHP, CF, asp/asp.net, or whatever other languages may be popular at the time. Also available for sale was the servers that are sold now that could run the native witango code (and maybe had some other pluses as to why youd want to use it vs the exportable languages) I'm not much of a business man, and don't know if this would be a good model to go with, but it sounds like a neat idea to me Web developers like us could buy the witango editor for maybe a couple hundred dollars and write things quickly and export it to whatever language our clients may want keeping us and our clients happy. Then also, if we wanted a highly optomized witango specific server we could buy that too for the clients who wanted to go that route. Seems like it would help keep the community alive and get more exposure to witango while also generating revenue. But yeah, I'm no business expert and don't know With's current status or business model :P On 1/25/08, Chuck Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in .NET I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the "witango envelope". Nice to see people checking in though Chuck Lockwood LockData Technologies -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Present and still working with Witango. Still the best IDE around but oh how I want 6 and the end of the bugs in 5.5 -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, PHP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com "There is a larger frame to the painting than the one that bounds our life's events." On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Good on you Chuck, .NET is sweet. The learning curve can be steep, but the payoff just keeps paying :-) All the best to everyone. Scott, Sent from my iPod On 25-Jan-08, at 7:48 PM, "Chuck Lockwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in .NET I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the "witango envelope". Nice to see people checking in though Chuck Lockwood LockData Technologies -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I have been asking for this functionality for the past few years, I was told that it was in the works, but that was about two years ago. I was really interested in the ability to export as asp/asp.net and php. -Original message- From: "Alan Wolfe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:03:23 -0600 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > A lot of people have talked about how you can use witango to rapidly > prototype code, or rapidly develop web apps, and other people have > talked about how expensive it is to use witango. > > I really like how witango has the ability to export as java and IMO it > seems like there might be a really good strategy here... > > Imagine if the witango editor was a stand alone "dev studio" type app > where you could create and prototype things quickly then say "execute" > to fire up a limited witango server (like the lite or trial version) > to test your code right there as you were developing it. > > When you were done developing, you could choose to export as Java, > PHP, CF, asp/asp.net, or whatever other languages may be popular at > the time. > > Also available for sale was the servers that are sold now that could > run the native witango code (and maybe had some other pluses as to why > youd want to use it vs the exportable languages) > > I'm not much of a business man, and don't know if this would be a good > model to go with, but it sounds like a neat idea to me > > Web developers like us could buy the witango editor for maybe a couple > hundred dollars and write things quickly and export it to whatever > language our clients may want keeping us and our clients happy. > > Then also, if we wanted a highly optomized witango specific server we > could buy that too for the clients who wanted to go that route. > > Seems like it would help keep the community alive and get more > exposure to witango while also generating revenue. > > But yeah, I'm no business expert and don't know With's current status > or business model :P > > On 1/25/08, Chuck Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in > > .NET > > > > I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the > > "witango envelope". > > > > Nice to see people checking in though .... > > > > Chuck Lockwood > > LockData Technologies > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM > > To: witango-talk@witango.com > > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > > > > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > > > > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > > > for everyone (: > > > > Either that or everybody else has left... > > > > Maybe we should have a roll-call? > > > > PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
A lot of people have talked about how you can use witango to rapidly prototype code, or rapidly develop web apps, and other people have talked about how expensive it is to use witango. I really like how witango has the ability to export as java and IMO it seems like there might be a really good strategy here... Imagine if the witango editor was a stand alone "dev studio" type app where you could create and prototype things quickly then say "execute" to fire up a limited witango server (like the lite or trial version) to test your code right there as you were developing it. When you were done developing, you could choose to export as Java, PHP, CF, asp/asp.net, or whatever other languages may be popular at the time. Also available for sale was the servers that are sold now that could run the native witango code (and maybe had some other pluses as to why youd want to use it vs the exportable languages) I'm not much of a business man, and don't know if this would be a good model to go with, but it sounds like a neat idea to me Web developers like us could buy the witango editor for maybe a couple hundred dollars and write things quickly and export it to whatever language our clients may want keeping us and our clients happy. Then also, if we wanted a highly optomized witango specific server we could buy that too for the clients who wanted to go that route. Seems like it would help keep the community alive and get more exposure to witango while also generating revenue. But yeah, I'm no business expert and don't know With's current status or business model :P On 1/25/08, Chuck Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in > .NET > > I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the > "witango envelope". > > Nice to see people checking in though > > Chuck Lockwood > LockData Technologies > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > > > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > > for everyone (: > > Either that or everybody else has left... > > Maybe we should have a roll-call? > > PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I'm here, supporting a couple of big Witango apps and doing new stuff in .NET I agree with Rick, the list is now seasoned developers no longer pushing the "witango envelope". Nice to see people checking in though Chuck Lockwood LockData Technologies -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Present and lurking . . . Talked to Phil last week, asked him the status of v6. His reply was "Stay tune. We're going to be changing the licensing soon." Perhaps someone here can interpret this cryptic reply?. Beyond that he wouldn't comment & did not answer the status question. For What it is Worth, Mikal Anderson Lake Oswego, Oregon - Original Message - From: "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1242 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 8:32 PM TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Witango doesn't port easily, untll you build the framework to build
php code like witango does, using resultsets and array manipulation.
If you don't do that first, its very tough, and I can see the
frustration. Here is an example of a class function in php that takes
a mysqli connector and a string query, and returns an associative
array resultset, just like witango results set from a query, with
column names and all.
/**
* Query the database and return result set in an assoc. array
* @author Robert Garcia
* @param mysqli $myconn
* @param string $query
* @return array
*/
public function getResultSetFromConn($myconn,$query) {
$resultSet = array();
if ($myconn)
{
//now result is multidimensional assoc array.
if ($result = $myconn->query($query)) {
$fields = $result->fetch_fields();
while ($row = $result->fetch_array()) {
$thisRow = array();
foreach ($fields as $field){
$thisRow[$field->name] =
$row[$field->name];
}
$resultSet[] = $thisRow;
};
$result->close();
}
}
$temp = $myconn->errno;
$temp = $myconn->error;
return $resultSet;
}
Think of how many times you dump an array in witango to a table. How
do you do that in php, well, we build a function that takes IN a
resultset type array, and a boolean for header.
public function arrayToTable($inarray,$bool_header=true){
if (!count($inarray)){return "";}
$res = "";
$res = "";
if ($bool_header){
foreach($inarray[0] as $key => $val){
$res .= "" . $key .
"";
}
$res .= "";
}
$res .= "";
foreach($inarray as $rows){
foreach ($rows as $cols){
$res .= "" . $cols . "";
}
$res .= "";
}
$res .= "";
return $res;
}
Here are the functions that we use that mimics the witango <@filter> tag
/**
* callback function for filter function
*
* @author Robert Garcia
* @param array $array
* @return array
*/
private function filter_thisarray($array){
$eval = "return ".$this->arrayeval.";";
$res = eval($eval);
return ($res);
}
/**
* Filter an array ($array = your passed in array, use it for the
callback expression)
* sample: $status = $global_app->filter($pcustArray,"\
$array['UserID'] == '".$inarray[0]['userId']."'");
*
* @author Robert Garcia
* @param array $array
* @param array $arrayeval
* @return array
*/
public function filter($array,$arrayeval){
$this->arrayeval = $arrayeval;
return
array_values(array_filter($array,array($this,"filter_thisarray")));
}
And the @distinct tag
/**
* Output a distinct array from input array based on fieldname entered
*
* @author Robert Garcia
* @param array $array
* @param string $fieldname
* @return array
*/
public function array_distinct($array, $fieldname)
{
foreach ($array as $sub)
$cmp[] = $sub[$fieldname];
$unique = array_unique($cmp);
foreach ($unique as $k => $rien)
$new[] = $array[$k];
return ($new);
}
So basically, I rolled up my sleeves and built all this, then we used
it to port. Porting goes much quicker this way, and allows you to
still code like you used to in witango. Then as you start new
projects, you still use some of these methods, and sometimes you do
whatever the heck you want, because PHP is so flexible.
--
Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/
On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Michael Heth wrote:
On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Kent Swisher wrote:
To Robert Garcia
I have started developing in PHP but find it very slow to develop
compared to wita
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I have toyed with the best way to do that. I have built a forum for people to discuss the issues of witango porting to php, and a place to view code snippets and frameworks we have built. But its purely a volunteer thing, and so hard to find the time. I have been thinking about it more, and I think the best thing to help the community may be just to release some code out there, and let you figure it out. When I started my move to PHP, I picked a smaller site, but filled with complexity. http://www.binder-usa.com/ It is not large but has a lot of complex stuff for a small site. I created a framework for things like domain variables and stuff, and also had to build a framework for dealing with arrays. Witango 2 php is difficult, unless you build a way to get results sets in php, that you handle like you did in witango, then you can just do a lot of straight porting. So if you have 2 dimensional arrays in php, like you do all the time (resultsets) in witango, it gets much easier. But then, how do you <@filter, or any other type of tag in witango, in php, so I built lots of functions in php, that mimic things like @filter. You would be surprised how much faster they are also. After I did this one site, I made the framework generic, and gave to other developers working for me to port other more complex witango sites, like eventpix.com. During this, the framework, and functions have been improved upon, especially by Ben Johansen, who has worked for me for the last 2 years or so. All that to say, I am thinking of putting up the binder witango code, and the php port of it, available to download. But it would require the commitment of Ben also to support people on the forum that needed help with it, or updated functions. If Ben is willing, I think I can probably have this up for people within a month. I would really only take a coupe of days, but I say a month, because I am busy. If you are interested in this, let me know. Also, Ben would have to commit to helping others voluntarily, because I don't think I could do by myself. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Kent Swisher wrote: To Robert Garcia I have started developing in PHP but find it very slow to develop compared to witango. The old witango builder wizard worked for 80% of our stuff and I really miss it in PHP. Did you ever publish your white paper on how to convert witango to Zend PHP? Would you consider sharing some of your custom functions? Do you use Zend Framework in your projects now? -> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools -> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer -> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116) On 1/25/2008 1:31 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: Thats not a good sign. Present. Still have 2 large clients on witango, one is already being ported to Zend/PHP, the other looks like it will go this year. The thing is, even if witango gets v6 out the door, it has become SO FAR BEHIND when it comes to features and reliability. Then couple that with the fact that is extremely expensive, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind picking witango as a new dev platform, unless they have a client or legacy app to support. > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
On Jan 25, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Kent Swisher wrote: To Robert Garcia I have started developing in PHP but find it very slow to develop compared to witango. The old witango builder wizard worked for 80% of our stuff and I really miss it in PHP. Has anyone given much (any) thought to the concept of building your app/site proof of concept in Tango for the ease and speed of building the logical building blocks etc. And then once your FC is working as you want then porting it to PHP. From way back when CF was the big kid on the block I remember that the CF crowd came up with an app paradigm called FUSE (or something) and that when we looked at it it was basically a logic framework which mimic'd the Tango app architecture. You would only have 1 page but in that page was all the logical decisions on what to show the user based on the URL and their user vars. Anyway, it seems that if this was embraced by the developers then someone on the list could make a nice biz of just porting apps to PHP. The Tango developers could build the porting fee into their original bid etc. And finally for the sake of reality don't forget that the main (perhaps only) reason that PHP is the defacto standard now was that it was given away from the start and there is no way to effectively compete with free. That's how IE pushed Netscape aside and now NetNewsWire will push all the newsreader apps aside. I laughed the other day when I saw the new decode for the acronym PHP, I don't remember what it was but they are trying to make you forget that PHP actually stands for "Personal Home Page". M./ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Just a quick vote for php/mysql. The newer mysqli extension to php is an unbelievable combination that allows super fast performance and keeps your mysql servers breathing easier than it would with persistent connections. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Susan Brkich wrote: I'm only here just in case something breaks we have delayed upgrading to a new server machine (and now I suppose we have to think about going from Tiger to Leopard, too), until we can re-write all our Witango apps in PHP w/ either FileMaker or MySQL databases, in order to avoid having to get Witango working on a new machine (Intel Mac, rather than the current Power PC). Witango is just too expensive for us, and my beginner knowledge is never going to progress without any "formal" training, or decent how- to guides. You guys are great at helping in a pinch, which I've really appreciated, as I'd have been lost without you in the past. But we need to focus my limited time on more sustainable, more well- known, and less expensive options. -- Susan A. Brkich '86 Associate Director of Alumnae/i Web Services Alumnae and Alumni of Vassar College 161 College Avenue Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-2804 Phone: 845.437.5449 Fax: 845.437.7425 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the web: http://www.aavc.vassar.edu AAVC's Online Community allows the more than 36,000 Vassar alumnae/i to reconnect with their Vassar experience. Alumnae/i can register at www.aavc.vassar.edu . On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
To Robert Garcia I have started developing in PHP but find it very slow to develop compared to witango. The old witango builder wizard worked for 80% of our stuff and I really miss it in PHP. Did you ever publish your white paper on how to convert witango to Zend PHP? Would you consider sharing some of your custom functions? Do you use Zend Framework in your projects now? -> Kent Swisher Engineering Tools -> Alcatel-LucentApplication Support Engineer -> Wireline Access Products [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> Petaluma, CA 707-792-7116 (on net 2-855-7116) On 1/25/2008 1:31 PM, Robert Garcia wrote: Thats not a good sign. Present. Still have 2 large clients on witango, one is already being ported to Zend/PHP, the other looks like it will go this year. The thing is, even if witango gets v6 out the door, it has become SO FAR BEHIND when it comes to features and reliability. Then couple that with the fact that is extremely expensive, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind picking witango as a new dev platform, unless they have a client or legacy app to support. > -- > > Robert Garcia > President - BigHead Technology > VP Application Development - eventpix.com > 13653 West Park Dr > Magalia, Ca 95954 > ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
We are still developing using Witango. I have had phone and email contact with Phil in the last couple months and purchased another license recently. I didn't ask Phil about 6.0 as I had some other issues I needed help with so I can't help there. I also am anticipating the 6.0 release Steve -Original Message- From: Roland Gimpl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:57 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? Hello, we do a lot of coding in Witango, which works very fine for us; presently my biggest wish is a IIS-Plugin for 64-bit! Roland Beverly Voth wrote: > On 1/25/08 3:03 PM, "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in > part: > > >> Either that or everybody else has left... >> >> Maybe we should have a roll-call? >> >> PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) >> > > Presently lurking... > > Beverly > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I'm only here just in case something breaks we have delayed upgrading to a new server machine (and now I suppose we have to think about going from Tiger to Leopard, too), until we can re-write all our Witango apps in PHP w/ either FileMaker or MySQL databases, in order to avoid having to get Witango working on a new machine (Intel Mac, rather than the current Power PC). Witango is just too expensive for us, and my beginner knowledge is never going to progress without any "formal" training, or decent how- to guides. You guys are great at helping in a pinch, which I've really appreciated, as I'd have been lost without you in the past. But we need to focus my limited time on more sustainable, more well- known, and less expensive options. -- Susan A. Brkich '86 Associate Director of Alumnae/i Web Services Alumnae and Alumni of Vassar College 161 College Avenue Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-2804 Phone: 845.437.5449 Fax: 845.437.7425 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the web: http://www.aavc.vassar.edu AAVC's Online Community allows the more than 36,000 Vassar alumnae/i to reconnect with their Vassar experience. Alumnae/i can register at www.aavc.vassar.edu. On Jan 25, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Back in May, I assembled my full list of feature requests (11 pages) and sent them to Phil. My fantasy is that Witango 6 is delayed while he implements them. Bill On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Hello, we do a lot of coding in Witango, which works very fine for us; presently my biggest wish is a IIS-Plugin for 64-bit! Roland Beverly Voth wrote: On 1/25/08 3:03 PM, "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Presently lurking... Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I'm Here... -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
On 1/25/08 3:03 PM, "Scott Cadillac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Either that or everybody else has left... > > Maybe we should have a roll-call? > > PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Presently lurking... Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Here and coding away with Witango Ted -Original Message- From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:03 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive? > Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
> Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. > > Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly > for everyone (: Either that or everybody else has left... Maybe we should have a roll-call? PRESENT, and I brought my pencil ;-) Scott, TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
Maybe "no news is good news" as far as the list being quiet. Nobody is reporting problems, maybe things are just working smoothly for everyone (: On 1/25/08, Roland Dumas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've missed it if there was a release date and upgrade pricing. Don't > see it on the web site and this list is very quiet. > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:50 AM, Ben Johansen wrote: > > > I think that the release for Leopard for the Mac and Vista are > > giving them a fun time. > > The site is still up but i don't know how much longer that girl can > > hold that dive ;-) > > > > The beta looked good, I think they are just honing that, and > > probably adding some functionality to add value. > > > > Ben > > > > On Jan 24, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Roland Dumas wrote: > > > >> Having a discussion with a client about whether or not the next > >> version of witango will be released and if it's going to survive at > >> all. Anyone have any information? > >> > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > >> > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I've missed it if there was a release date and upgrade pricing. Don't see it on the web site and this list is very quiet. On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:50 AM, Ben Johansen wrote: I think that the release for Leopard for the Mac and Vista are giving them a fun time. The site is still up but i don't know how much longer that girl can hold that dive ;-) The beta looked good, I think they are just honing that, and probably adding some functionality to add value. Ben On Jan 24, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Roland Dumas wrote: Having a discussion with a client about whether or not the next version of witango will be released and if it's going to survive at all. Anyone have any information? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: is witango alive?
I think that the release for Leopard for the Mac and Vista are giving them a fun time. The site is still up but i don't know how much longer that girl can hold that dive ;-) The beta looked good, I think they are just honing that, and probably adding some functionality to add value. Ben On Jan 24, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Roland Dumas wrote: Having a discussion with a client about whether or not the next version of witango will be released and if it's going to survive at all. Anyone have any information? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
