Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
Hi Konstantin, I don't think you'll get rid of that stench by using IronPython. IIRC, IronPython scripts are compiled into .NET assemblies. Thus, you can't change them on the fly and within the MSI. By the way, if you were to use Python scripts within an MSI, you would have to install a Python interpreter on the target machine first. I can't imagine a customer being happy with installing a program just for an installation process. Dirk 2009/7/16 Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
You don't need to install Python. You just need the Python24(or 25, 26).dll. Also you need the python executable Python.exe, httpd.exe (Apache). It works :) belive me :) I am going to extract Python.exe and PythonX.dll from the bibary tavbe during the installation. Then I'll able to execute the Python script. If you want I can send you the setup (written on Wix) . It makes the installation of the Apache server, Django and my Python application. pythonx.dll should be near the python executable process (httpd.exe). 2009/7/16 Dirk Räder d...@raeder.cc Hi Konstantin, I don't think you'll get rid of that stench by using IronPython. IIRC, IronPython scripts are compiled into .NET assemblies. Thus, you can't change them on the fly and within the MSI. By the way, if you were to use Python scripts within an MSI, you would have to install a Python interpreter on the target machine first. I can't imagine a customer being happy with installing a program just for an installation process. Dirk 2009/7/16 Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
Hi Konstantin, yes, please send the setup - wxs files included, if possible. Please send the file(s) directly to me; don't waste bandwidth by sending to the list. Thanks, Dirk 2009/7/16 Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com You don't need to install Python. You just need the Python24(or 25, 26).dll. Also you need the python executable Python.exe, httpd.exe (Apache). It works :) belive me :) I am going to extract Python.exe and PythonX.dll from the bibary tavbe during the installation. Then I'll able to execute the Python script. If you want I can send you the setup (written on Wix) . It makes the installation of the Apache server, Django and my Python application. pythonx.dll should be near the python executable process (httpd.exe). 2009/7/16 Dirk Räder d...@raeder.cc Hi Konstantin, I don't think you'll get rid of that stench by using IronPython. IIRC, IronPython scripts are compiled into .NET assemblies. Thus, you can't change them on the fly and within the MSI. By the way, if you were to use Python scripts within an MSI, you would have to install a Python interpreter on the target machine first. I can't imagine a customer being happy with installing a program just for an installation process. Dirk 2009/7/16 Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Konstantin Vlasenko -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
Scripting CAs are generally considered more brittle than any other kind of CA, so they are not as preferred, IMO. However, that being said, I don't think that adding a Python script interpreter would be a terrible burden. I wouldn't make it part of the distribution, but you should be able to easily build yourself a WiX extension that includes your interpreter DLL, and stores the script text in a table. It seems like a basic implementation would be fairly trivial, but I'm willing to bet the reality is substantially different, and you'll run headlong into issue after issue... But it could certainly be done. Chris On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: 1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
It is as more brittle as less test you have :) Of course this script should be automaticaly tested (by unit test or more preferable by Acceptance test) as all other code :) So I think it is not a point. 2009/7/16 Christopher Karper christopher.kar...@gmail.com Scripting CAs are generally considered more brittle than any other kind of CA, so they are not as preferred, IMO. However, that being said, I don't think that adding a Python script interpreter would be a terrible burden. I wouldn't make it part of the distribution, but you should be able to easily build yourself a WiX extension that includes your interpreter DLL, and stores the script text in a table. It seems like a basic implementation would be fairly trivial, but I'm willing to bet the reality is substantially different, and you'll run headlong into issue after issue... But it could certainly be done. Chris On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: 1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
No, it's as brittle as the scripts failing to run due to an environmental issue on the client computer. What is they have a broken version of the Python interpreter installed? What if their security settings don't allow it to run? It's not a question of how well written the code is... Well, not completely. :-) On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is as more brittle as less test you have :) Of course this script should be automaticaly tested (by unit test or more preferable by Acceptance test) as all other code :) So I think it is not a point. 2009/7/16 Christopher Karper christopher.kar...@gmail.com Scripting CAs are generally considered more brittle than any other kind of CA, so they are not as preferred, IMO. However, that being said, I don't think that adding a Python script interpreter would be a terrible burden. I wouldn't make it part of the distribution, but you should be able to easily build yourself a WiX extension that includes your interpreter DLL, and stores the script text in a table. It seems like a basic implementation would be fairly trivial, but I'm willing to bet the reality is substantially different, and you'll run headlong into issue after issue... But it could certainly be done. Chris On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: 1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
http://blogs.msdn.com/robmen/archive/2004/05/20/136530.aspx -Original Message- From: Christopher Karper [mailto:christopher.kar...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 July 2009 15:05 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action No, it's as brittle as the scripts failing to run due to an environmental issue on the client computer. What is they have a broken version of the Python interpreter installed? What if their security settings don't allow it to run? It's not a question of how well written the code is... Well, not completely. :-) On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is as more brittle as less test you have :) Of course this script should be automaticaly tested (by unit test or more preferable by Acceptance test) as all other code :) So I think it is not a point. 2009/7/16 Christopher Karper christopher.kar...@gmail.com Scripting CAs are generally considered more brittle than any other kind of CA, so they are not as preferred, IMO. However, that being said, I don't think that adding a Python script interpreter would be a terrible burden. I wouldn't make it part of the distribution, but you should be able to easily build yourself a WiX extension that includes your interpreter DLL, and stores the script text in a table. It seems like a basic implementation would be fairly trivial, but I'm willing to bet the reality is substantially different, and you'll run headlong into issue after issue... But it could certainly be done. Chris On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: 1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
I have mentioned previously what I am going to extract Python.exe and PythonX.dll during the installation. I am not going to use installed Python. 2009/7/16 Christopher Karper christopher.kar...@gmail.com No, it's as brittle as the scripts failing to run due to an environmental issue on the client computer. What is they have a broken version of the Python interpreter installed? What if their security settings don't allow it to run? It's not a question of how well written the code is... Well, not completely. :-) On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is as more brittle as less test you have :) Of course this script should be automaticaly tested (by unit test or more preferable by Acceptance test) as all other code :) So I think it is not a point. 2009/7/16 Christopher Karper christopher.kar...@gmail.com Scripting CAs are generally considered more brittle than any other kind of CA, so they are not as preferred, IMO. However, that being said, I don't think that adding a Python script interpreter would be a terrible burden. I wouldn't make it part of the distribution, but you should be able to easily build yourself a WiX extension that includes your interpreter DLL, and stores the script text in a table. It seems like a basic implementation would be fairly trivial, but I'm willing to bet the reality is substantially different, and you'll run headlong into issue after issue... But it could certainly be done. Chris On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: 1. You make a change (not a customer) in the custome environment. 2. Add new test to your acceptance (regression) test suite. 3. Make a new build. 4. Bring it back to the customer if all tests a GREEN. *It has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping* - How long you are going to test your installation? Of course I am not going to make a crap. We have tested automaticaly all stuff before sending it to a customer. But you never know what can be on other side. BTW: Had no problem with setup before. This idea came to me from a production code itself. I have a huge success story to support the different customer environments. Due to avoiding compiled language where it psoosible. *Python will save the world! I don't know how. But it will! :)* 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net I don't think asking customer to open the MSI package in Orca and modify some code smells better. :) You increase the risk of leaving the user machine in the undefined state afterwards. It's much more preferable to design the rollback properly and keep the log verbose. As for me, it has more sense to spend more time testing your installation on different environments before shipping. And provide a fixed install in a short term, if it is still necessary for someone. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:46 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action With the scripting approach you can make the customization, bug fixing on the customer side. You can use the ORCA and change the script on the fly. You don't have the such ability with the compiled dlls approach. You have to go back to your development environment, make changes and then you * probably* can make the custome happy - Bad Smell :) 2009/7/16 Yan Sklyarenko y...@sitecore.net ... using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell Why do you think so? Just wondering. -- Yan -Original Message- From: Konstantin Vlasenko [mailto:konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:15 AM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action Yes. I think it is good to use IronPython in the Windows world :) The main point in my idea is to use only scripting language for setup developer. I believe that using a compliled dll for a custom action is a bad smell. We need to implement a wix extension (e.g. based on IronPython) to support scripting approach. BTW: Wix extension dlls are OK - remove duplications between several setup projects:) 2009/7/15 Brian Rogers rogers.br...@gmail.com Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good
[WiX-users] Python for the custom action
It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Python for the custom action
Hey Konstantin, You could develop a managed custom action and use IronPython if that works for you. It would be good for the community to hear how your development efforts went. Thanks, Brian Rogers Intelligence removes complexity. - Me http://blogs.msdn.com/icumove -- NEW On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Konstantin Vlasenko konstantin.vlase...@gmail.com wrote: It is a good idea to have an ability to write custom action on Python same as for VBScript or JScript. I understand that the Windows Installer not going support this (maybe IronPython?). But may we can to make an Wix extension? What do you think? Does it make sence? -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
