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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Jeremy Farrell

> From: DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor
> 
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:26:27 -0700, Neil Enns wrote:
> 
> Neil,
> 
> > I was one of those people. It's painful. And I can figure out Wix...
> 
> Come on, guys, all it takes is a single, emtpy e-mail to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> and, I guess, a reply to a confirmation mail. Couldn't be easier...

Planting a flag on the peak of Everest is easy as well - all you have to do is 
press the stick firmly into the snow.

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[WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread DEï¿½K JAHN, Gï¿½bor

On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:26:27 -0700, Neil Enns wrote:

Neil,

> I was one of those people. It's painful. And I can figure out Wix...

Come on, guys, all it takes is a single, emtpy e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, 
I guess, a reply to a confirmation mail. Couldn't be easier...

Bye,
   GÃ¡bor

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[WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread DEï¿½K JAHN, Gï¿½bor

On Thu, 22 May 2008 07:41:17 -0700, Rob Mensching wrote:

Rob,

> Based on the feedback, I'm definitely looking into requiring people
> to join the list to send mail.  Before doing that, I want to make
> sure it is easy and *clear* (something we obviously struggle with
> the WiX documentation ) how to get on the mailing list.

Couldn't the SF system instructed to return a standard letter to 
non-subscribers that offers them the simplest, e-mail based way to subscribe? 
Spammers will not receive it without a valid reply address but ordinary people 
will.

Bye,
   GÃ¡bor

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Don Caton

Rob:

> I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via
> SourceForge is very painful.

SourceForge is painful, period .  I signed up for this list because the SF
interface to the list is absolutely horrible.

Wix is free and the support graciously provided by you and others is free.  A
one-time signup isn't all that much to ask for all that in return,  And it's a
small price to pay to keep spam out of the list, where every last member has to
waste time deleting it.

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Rob Mensching

That's exactly what I'm working on... 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Starling, Keith
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:43
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

It's not that bad... about 3 links to follow from the main WiX page on
SourceForge.  Could always just add a link to
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users to one of those
pages to make it more obvious though.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Enns
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:26 PM
To: Rob Mensching; Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I was one of those people. It's painful. And I can figure out Wix...

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
Mensching
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:22 AM
To: Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via
SourceForge is very painful.  Having navigated SourceForge myself down
some of the mailing list related pages, I've found there are a lot of
dead ends that could be very frustrating if you are just trying to ask a
question.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Caton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 08:29
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a
trivial
one-time inconvenience.

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably
not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard
pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

--
Don

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Starling, Keith

It's not that bad... about 3 links to follow from the main WiX page on
SourceForge.  Could always just add a link to
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users to one of those
pages to make it more obvious though.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Enns
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:26 PM
To: Rob Mensching; Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I was one of those people. It's painful. And I can figure out Wix...

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
Mensching
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:22 AM
To: Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via
SourceForge is very painful.  Having navigated SourceForge myself down
some of the mailing list related pages, I've found there are a lot of
dead ends that could be very frustrating if you are just trying to ask a
question.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Caton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 08:29
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a
trivial
one-time inconvenience.

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably
not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard
pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

--
Don

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Neil Enns

I was one of those people. It's painful. And I can figure out Wix...

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:22 AM
To: Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via 
SourceForge is very painful.  Having navigated SourceForge myself down some of 
the mailing list related pages, I've found there are a lot of dead ends that 
could be very frustrating if you are just trying to ask a question.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Caton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 08:29
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a trivial
one-time inconvenience.

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

--
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Rob Mensching

I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via 
SourceForge is very painful.  Having navigated SourceForge myself down some of 
the mailing list related pages, I've found there are a lot of dead ends that 
could be very frustrating if you are just trying to ask a question.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Caton
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 08:29
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a trivial
one-time inconvenience.

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

--
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Don Caton

Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a trivial
one-time inconvenience.   

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

--
Don




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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Christopher Karper

All I can say is, I signed up for the list to send questions, since I
thought that's how it was set.  And I deal with more spam from this group
than any other source..  manually at least.

Chris

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Rob Mensching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Based on the feedback, I'm definitely looking into requiring people to join
> the list to send mail.  Before doing that, I want to make sure it is easy
> and *clear* (something we obviously struggle with the WiX documentation
> ) how to get on the mailing list.  It would be *very*, *very* bad if
> people thought they couldn't ask questions...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 05:57
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> Was a decision ever made about what to do here?
>
> Rob
>
> dB. wrote:
> > Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> > wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> > the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> > privileges can disable that?
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > dB.
> >
> >
> >
> > -dB.
> >
> > dblock.org <http://www.dblock.org/> / foodcandy.com
> > <http://www.foodcandy.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Ryan O'Neill

I always found SourceForge a pain to signup for, but that could just be me.

Does CodePlex have a better forum facility? Maybe too much work just to get
rid of spammers.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: 22 May 2008 15:41
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Based on the feedback, I'm definitely looking into requiring people to join
the list to send mail.  Before doing that, I want to make sure it is easy
and *clear* (something we obviously struggle with the WiX documentation
) how to get on the mailing list.  It would be *very*, *very* bad if
people thought they couldn't ask questions...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 05:57
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Was a decision ever made about what to do here?

Rob

dB. wrote:
> Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> privileges can disable that?
>
>
>
> cheers
>
> dB.
>
>
>
> -dB.
>
> dblock.org <http://www.dblock.org/> / foodcandy.com
> <http://www.foodcandy.com/>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> -
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Rob Mensching

Based on the feedback, I'm definitely looking into requiring people to join the 
list to send mail.  Before doing that, I want to make sure it is easy and 
*clear* (something we obviously struggle with the WiX documentation ) 
how to get on the mailing list.  It would be *very*, *very* bad if people 
thought they couldn't ask questions...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 05:57
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Was a decision ever made about what to do here?

Rob

dB. wrote:
> Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> privileges can disable that?
>
>
>
> cheers
>
> dB.
>
>
>
> -dB.
>
> dblock.org <http://www.dblock.org/> / foodcandy.com
> <http://www.foodcandy.com/>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> -
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>
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Rob Hamflett

Was a decision ever made about what to do here?

Rob

dB. wrote:
> Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I 
> wasnât subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. Thatâs 
> the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin 
> privileges can disable that?
> 
>  
> 
> cheers
> 
> dB.
> 
>  
> 
> -dB.
> 
> dblock.org  / foodcandy.com 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-24 Thread dB.

Works for people who never get Russian e-mail. Too bad if your name is Rob 
Menshingov.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:04 PM
To: Peterson, Joel
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net; Neil Sleightholm
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I implemented the spam filter one of the original posters suggested (a bunch of 
Chinese/Russian words OR'd together), with the additional of "AND wix-users" to 
restrict it only to this list (it caught a few non-wix legitimate messages that 
I wanted) and I've only rec'd. about 2 spams (both in English) in the last two 
days. It's been *excellent*. At the least, try using the filter to suck the 
purported spam to a separate folder...
Ken

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Peterson, Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

With no spam filtering on the list, it's sometimes half of all email.

Joel

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Sleightholm
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:48 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I feel this has got worse recently, I think I have a pretty good spam filter 
but I am seeing about 10% spam now.

Neil

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan O'Neill
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:48
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they would
be working on reducing the levels of spam.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
using Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
>
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also
adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
>
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
>
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-24 Thread dB.

I second that. I google for wix solutions all the time or browse the
list through online means. There's a lot of spam if you look at the list
through the archive.

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Laliberte
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:16 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Here's another vote for locking out non-subscribers.

The spam isn't so bad if you read the list daily, but if you scan the
list only occasionally to search for information the spam becomes more
of an annoyance.

Improving the signal-to-noise ratio will be a good thing in the long
run.

(Do many non-subscribers post to the list, aside from the spammers?)

Lorne Laliberte
Senior Software Developer
Indigo Rose Software

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Jeremy Farrell

Require registration to post. WiX isn't the sort of subject that people 
typically want to ask a question or two about and then forget. Most newbies 
have been tasked with using WiX, so would be well advised to follow the list 
anyway. For the few people who have valid reasons to ask a question or two then 
go away, subscribing just isn't a big deal and they can unsubscribe as soon as 
their questions have run their course. Given the list netiquette of replying to 
the list rather than the individual, they need to be subscribed to get email 
responses to their questions anyway. It's a common practice on technical lists 
to require registration to post.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Mensching
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:29 PM
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do 
> make your voice heard. I'm still following this thread and 
> trying to figure out if I should lock non-members out of the 
> list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since it raises the 
> bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we 
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Hamflett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup 
> interface (I'm using Thnderbird).  You
> can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move 
> them into a separate folder.  That
> might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they 
> hit the list.
> 
> Rob
> 
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> >> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
> >> following if you use gmail:
> >
> > Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, 
> traditional e-mail client with proper Bayesian spam filter 
> (eg. Thunderbird) and it will eliminate 98-99% of the spam 
> after the initial learning period. It will also adapt to 
> languages other than English, it might take slightly more 
> time (a couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be 
> just fine. You can manually handle the small number of false 
> positives and negatives.
> >
> > Bye,
> >GÃ¡bor
> >
> > ---
> > DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Wilson, Phil

My vote too - subscribe to post.

Phil Wilson

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holmgren Mathias
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:42 AM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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I agree, for me this is normal for a mailing list. Join to post. Agree
also on reducing the spam in the searchable archives by doing this. No
spam filter there.

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Sent: den 22 april 2008 22:12
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
prerequisite for people wishing to post.

Dale

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Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
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Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Alan Sinclair





My vote is to require registration. 

It's really no big deal to sign up for a list, and I don't think it
would make getting started significantly harder (newbie here, speaking
from current painful experience -- probably signing up would give me a
buzz of achievement that I'm not yet getting from WiX ;-)


Rob Mensching wrote:

  If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we don't need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm using Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÁK JAHN, Gábor wrote:
  
  
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:

Martin,



  I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
following if you use gmail:
  

Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.

Bye,
   Gábor

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Tony Hoyle

DEXK JAHN, GXbor wrote:
> I admin a list where new people are set to moderated until their
> first post, then it can be decided whether to accept and liberate the
> user or to remove it as spam. But this requires extra human work and
> I don't know if SourceForge supports this at all (besides, everything
> should work by e-mail, by replying to prefabricated e-mail addresses
> in notification letters, going to a web site to change settings would
> be far more hassle). But, as far as I can tell, relatively few
> spammers take the trouble to join a list. Here, they have to provide
> a valid e-mail address, reply to a confirmation mail, and then send
> the spam from the same address, then unsubscribe (but chances are it
> will be removed, anyway, by an admin). Yes, it can be done using
> disposable addresses but spam usually arrives by the single action of
> blindly targeting the list address (probably among a million other
> addresses, not sent specifically here), harvested from somewhere on
> the web.
>
I do something similar but it's an automatic system.  If an unsubscribed 
user posts then on their first post they get an email asking if they 
really wanted to post to the mailing list (with link to normal legal 
stuff saying it's public information etc. - we have had the odd occasion 
of people who think that I can magically remove their posts from the 
inboxes of everyone on the list!).  This has eliminated incoming email 
spam.  As a support list requiring registration is unacceptable in my case.

Confirmation emails are tricky - The server takes measures to make sure 
it's not replying automatically to an obvious fake address.. the normal 
spamassassin, sender verification, SPF, etc. checks are made but I'm 
sure the system could be gamed (although to what end I'm not sure).

OTOH I doubt sourceforge can be configured to do anything that 
sophisticated.  You probably have the ability to set it to members only 
and that's about it.

Tony

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Richard.Foster

John Vottero asked:
What will keep the spammers from joining the list?

Absolutely nothing, but spammers are (generally) a lazy bunch and won't
do anything more than they have to. Most of the other SourceForge based
groups I subscribe to are locked to subscriber only posting, and they
have *significantly* lower spam levels. (I suspect they only get spammed
when a subscriber's machine is turned into a zombie.)

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Richard


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2008-04-23 Thread DEï¿½K JAHN, Gï¿½bor

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:11:11 -0400, John Vottero wrote:

John,

> What will keep the spammers from joining the list?

I admin a list where new people are set to moderated until their first post, 
then it can be decided whether to accept and liberate the user or to remove it 
as spam. But this requires extra human work and I don't know if SourceForge 
supports this at all (besides, everything should work by e-mail, by replying to 
prefabricated e-mail addresses in notification letters, going to a web site to 
change settings would be far more hassle). But, as far as I can tell, 
relatively few spammers take the trouble to join a list. Here, they have to 
provide a valid e-mail address, reply to a confirmation mail, and then send the 
spam from the same address, then unsubscribe (but chances are it will be 
removed, anyway, by an admin). Yes, it can be done using disposable addresses 
but spam usually arrives by the single action of blindly targeting the list 
address (probably among a million other addresses, not sent specifically here), 
harvested from somewhere on the web.

There would be another solution to serve the causal user with a single question 
but SourceForge should provide it, too. A web form with captcha and all to 
inject a message into the list. Failing that, tightening the entry would be our 
only chance to keep spam at bay.

Bye,
   GÃ¡bor

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread John Hall

I would imagine that whoever is spamming the list is not intentionally
doing it, but just has wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net on a list of
e-mail addresses, so blocking non-subscribers should be effective.

John

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Albert van
Peppen
Sent: 23 April 2008 10:48
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public =>
more spam

Correctly if I am wrong but the member list of a mailling group
can be scanned to known spammers and get bounced from it; this way you
can bounce a spammer from all groups in one go (although it will give
some frustration if your mistakenly get bounced...) 

  _  

Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Martin
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Verzonden: woensdag 23 april 2008 0:22
Aan: John Vottero
CC: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Onderwerp: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public =>
more spam

They must be really desperate joining a wix-user mailing list ;)

On 22/04/2008, John Vottero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please
do make your
> voice heard. I'm still following this thread and
trying to figure out
> if I should lock non-members out of the list.  I'm
still very hesitant
> to do that since it raises the bar for people just
starting to get
> involved with WiX (and we don't need to make anything
*harder*
> ).

What will keep the spammers from joining the list?

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Albert van Peppen

Correctly if I am wrong but the member list of a mailling group can be
scanned to known spammers and get bounced from it; this way you can
bounce a spammer from all groups in one go (although it will give some
frustration if your mistakenly get bounced...) 

Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Martin
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Verzonden: woensdag 23 april 2008 0:22
Aan: John Vottero
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Onderwerp: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

They must be really desperate joining a wix-user mailing list ;)

On 22/04/2008, John Vottero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make
your
> voice heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to
figure out
> if I should lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very
hesitant
> to do that since it raises the bar for people just starting to
get
> involved with WiX (and we don't need to make anything *harder*
> ).

What will keep the spammers from joining the list?

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Ryan O'Neill

To be honest, I never realised that you did not need an account to post
before now. I think a lot of people expect it to work that way.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: 23 April 2008 09:17
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Jason Rivers wrote:
> what's the point in having the mail list accessible to no subscribed 
> members anyway?
> 
> if someone posts, people generally reply to the list, so the person that 
> hasn't subscribed wouldn't get the reply.
That's a good point.  I wonder how many people think we're not helpful, just
because we reply to the 
list to be more-so.

Rob

> 
> I am one of those people that has stopped looking at the emails from WiX 
> Users though, because of the amount of spam, there really is far too 
> much of it.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Holmgren Mathias 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> I agree, for me this is normal for a mailing list. Join to post. Agree
> also on reducing the spam in the searchable archives by doing this. No
> spam filter there.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Dale
> Quigg
> Sent: den 22 april 2008 22:12
>     To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
> prerequisite for people wishing to post.
> 
> Dale
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Rob
>     Mensching
>     Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
> voice
> heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
> should
> lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
> since
> it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX
(and
> we
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
> 
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Rob Hamflett

Jason Rivers wrote:
> what's the point in having the mail list accessible to no subscribed 
> members anyway?
> 
> if someone posts, people generally reply to the list, so the person that 
> hasn't subscribed wouldn't get the reply.
That's a good point.  I wonder how many people think we're not helpful, just 
because we reply to the 
list to be more-so.

Rob

> 
> I am one of those people that has stopped looking at the emails from WiX 
> Users though, because of the amount of spam, there really is far too 
> much of it.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Holmgren Mathias 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
> I agree, for me this is normal for a mailing list. Join to post. Agree
> also on reducing the spam in the searchable archives by doing this. No
> spam filter there.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Dale
> Quigg
> Sent: den 22 april 2008 22:12
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
> prerequisite for people wishing to post.
> 
> Dale
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Rob
> Mensching
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> 
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
> voice
> heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
> should
> lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
> since
> it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
> we
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
> 
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Jason Rivers

what's the point in having the mail list accessible to no subscribed members
anyway?

if someone posts, people generally reply to the list, so the person that
hasn't subscribed wouldn't get the reply.

I am one of those people that has stopped looking at the emails from WiX
Users though, because of the amount of spam, there really is far too much of
it.

Jason

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Holmgren Mathias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I agree, for me this is normal for a mailing list. Join to post. Agree
> also on reducing the spam in the searchable archives by doing this. No
> spam filter there.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Quigg
> Sent: den 22 april 2008 22:12
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
> prerequisite for people wishing to post.
>
> Dale
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
> Mensching
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
> voice
> heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
> should
> lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
> since
> it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
> we
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
>
>
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-23 Thread Holmgren Mathias

I agree, for me this is normal for a mailing list. Join to post. Agree
also on reducing the spam in the searchable archives by doing this. No
spam filter there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Quigg
Sent: den 22 april 2008 22:12
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
prerequisite for people wishing to post.

Dale

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Martin MacPherson

They must be really desperate joining a wix-user mailing list ;)

On 22/04/2008, John Vottero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
> > voice heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out
> > if I should lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant
> > to do that since it raises the bar for people just starting to get
> > involved with WiX (and we don't need to make anything *harder*
> > ).
>
>
> What will keep the spammers from joining the list?
>
>
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread John Vottero

> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
> voice heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out
> if I should lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant
> to do that since it raises the bar for people just starting to get
> involved with WiX (and we don't need to make anything *harder*
> ).

What will keep the spammers from joining the list?



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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Lorne Laliberte

Here's another vote for locking out non-subscribers.

The spam isn't so bad if you read the list daily, but if you scan the
list only occasionally to search for information the spam becomes more
of an annoyance.

Improving the signal-to-noise ratio will be a good thing in the long run.

(Do many non-subscribers post to the list, aside from the spammers?)

Lorne Laliberte
Senior Software Developer
Indigo Rose Software

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Richard.Foster

Rob wrote:
I'm still very hesitant to [lock out posting by non subscribers] since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
we don't need to make anything *harder* ).

While I understand the sentiment, the large quantities of spam probably
reduce the number of people who bother to look through the archives for
answers to their problems - there's just too much junk to wade through.
By reducing the spam, the signal to noise ratio should be improved.

Just my $.02

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Dale Quigg

I think that having to subscribe to wix-users is a reasonable
prerequisite for people wishing to post.

Dale
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your
voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).


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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Ken MacDonald

I implemented the spam filter one of the original posters suggested (a bunch
of Chinese/Russian words OR'd together), with the additional of "AND
wix-users" to restrict it only to this list (it caught a few non-wix
legitimate messages that I wanted) and I've only rec'd. about 2 spams (both
in English) in the last two days. It's been *excellent*. At the least, try
using the filter to suck the purported spam to a separate folder...
Ken


On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Peterson, Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> With no spam filtering on the list, it's sometimes half of all email.
>
> Joel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Sleightholm
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:48 PM
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> I feel this has got worse recently, I think I have a pretty good spam
> filter but I am seeing about 10% spam now.
>
> Neil
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan O'Neill
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:48
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
> will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
> Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they
> would
> be working on reducing the levels of spam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
> Mensching
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
> heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
> should
> lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
> since
> it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
> we
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
> using Thnderbird).  You
> can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
> separate folder.  That
> might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the
> list.
>
> Rob
>
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> >> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
> >> following if you use gmail:
> >
> > Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
> client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
> eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will
> also
> adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
> couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
> manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
> >
> > Bye,
> >GÃ¡bor
> >
> > ---
> > DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Dana Gutride

I vote to lock non-members out.  I would have normally replied to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] of the specific individual anyhow because of many,
many reminders
not to respond to individual people so that we can all benefit from the
conversation.

I stopped reading and responding to e-mails on this thread (with the
exception of this one) because it takes way too long to filter out the
garbage.

Dana

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Peterson, Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> With no spam filtering on the list, it's sometimes half of all email.
>
> Joel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Sleightholm
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:48 PM
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> I feel this has got worse recently, I think I have a pretty good spam
> filter but I am seeing about 10% spam now.
>
> Neil
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan O'Neill
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:48
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
> will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
> Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they
> would
> be working on reducing the levels of spam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob
> Mensching
> Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
> To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
> heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I
> should
> lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that
> since
> it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and
> we
> don't need to make anything *harder* ).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
> There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
> using Thnderbird).  You
> can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
> separate folder.  That
> might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the
> list.
>
> Rob
>
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
> >
> > Martin,
> >
> >> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
> >> following if you use gmail:
> >
> > Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
> client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
> eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will
> also
> adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
> couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
> manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
> >
> > Bye,
> >GÃ¡bor
> >
> > ---
> > DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Peterson, Joel

With no spam filtering on the list, it's sometimes half of all email.

Joel

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Sleightholm
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:48 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

I feel this has got worse recently, I think I have a pretty good spam filter 
but I am seeing about 10% spam now.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan O'Neill
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:48
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they would
be working on reducing the levels of spam.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
using Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
>
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also
adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
>
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
>
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Neil Sleightholm

I feel this has got worse recently, I think I have a pretty good spam filter 
but I am seeing about 10% spam now.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan O'Neill
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:48
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they would
be working on reducing the levels of spam.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
using Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
>
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also
adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
>
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
>
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Ryan O'Neill

At the current levels it is a minor annoyance for me, but we all know it
will get a lot worse at which point I will have a problem with it.
Is there nothing that SourceForge can do? I would have hoped that they would
be working on reducing the levels of spam.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: 22 April 2008 18:29
To: Rob Hamflett; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since
it raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we
don't need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm
using Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a
separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
>
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail
client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will
eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also
adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a
couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can
manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
>
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
>
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Rob Mensching

If anyone has any other opinions on this topic, please do make your voice 
heard. I'm still following this thread and trying to figure out if I should 
lock non-members out of the list.  I'm still very hesitant to do that since it 
raises the bar for people just starting to get involved with WiX (and we don't 
need to make anything *harder* ).

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hamflett
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 03:58
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm using 
Thnderbird).  You
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a 
separate folder.  That
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
>
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail 
> client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will 
> eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also 
> adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a 
> couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can 
> manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
>
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
>
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-22 Thread Rob Hamflett

There's still a problem if you prefer to use the newsgroup interface (I'm using 
Thnderbird).  You 
can't delete messages, and the best I think I can do is move them into a 
separate folder.  That 
might have to suffice if we can't filter them out before they hit the list.

Rob

DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:
> 
> Martin,
> 
>> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
>> following if you use gmail:
> 
> Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail 
> client with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will 
> eliminate 98-99% of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also 
> adapt to languages other than English, it might take slightly more time (a 
> couple of dozen additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can 
> manually handle the small number of false positives and negatives.
> 
> Bye,
>GÃ¡bor
> 
> ---
> DEÃK JAHN, GÃ¡bor -- Budapest, Hungary
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-21 Thread DEï¿½K JAHN, Gï¿½bor

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:35 +0100, Martin MacPherson wrote:

Martin,

> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the
> following if you use gmail:

Instead of web-based mail services, just use a good, traditional e-mail client 
with proper Bayesian spam filter (eg. Thunderbird) and it will eliminate 98-99% 
of the spam after the initial learning period. It will also adapt to languages 
other than English, it might take slightly more time (a couple of dozen 
additional messages) but it will be just fine. You can manually handle the 
small number of false positives and negatives.

Bye,
   GÃ¡bor

---
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-21 Thread Antony Walmsley

I'm giving it a try. I'm only testing the subject and not the body
since some valid messages have Chinese text as adverts at the bottom.

On 21/04/2008, Martin MacPherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorrry for the double post but I've my gmail filter (see below) to include
> some common chinese characters (that I found on another google trip) and
> that gets all my most recent spam.
>
> (Ð² OR Ð¸ OR ç OR ä¸ OR æ¯ OR ä¸ OR äº OR äºº OR æ OR å¨ OR æ OR ä» OR è¿ OR ä¸ OR å¤§ OR
> æ¥ OR ä¸ OR å½ OR ä¸ª OR å° OR è¯´ OR ä»¬ OR ä¸º OR å OR å OR ä½  OR å¹´ OR æ¶)
>
>
> On 21/04/2008, Martin MacPherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the following
> if you use gmail:
> >
> > If you're like me then you get a lot of Russian spam in Gmail. There has
> been no way to filter it out, until now. I found that if you create a filter
> to search for emails that have the words "Ð² OR Ð¸" you will filter out a lot
> of the Russian spam.
> >
> > Full post
> >
> http://www.jasonblogs.com/thoughts/filter-russian-spam-in-gmail.html
> >
> > Just need to identify a common chinese character..h :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21/04/2008, Antony Walmsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is there a language filter option? Maybe filter out the messages
> > > containing the Russian words for "the" or "is" or something like that?
> > > Most of the spam seems to be in foreign languages at the moment.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 17/04/2008, Rob Mensching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We could do that but then we'd block people like the "yesterday you"
> that
> > > > wanted to ask questions without signing up.  Is it worth it to block
> them?
> > > > So far I've voted noâ¦ but the spam does feel like it is getting worse.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > > > Of dB.
> > > >  Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 05:51
> > > >  To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >  Subject: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> > > > wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> the
> > > > reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> > > > privileges can disable that?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > > dB.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -dB.
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-21 Thread Martin MacPherson

Sorrry for the double post but I've my gmail filter (see below) to include
some common chinese characters (that I found on another google trip) and
that gets all my most recent spam.

*(Ð² OR Ð¸ OR ç OR ä¸ OR æ¯ OR ä¸ OR äº OR äºº OR æ OR å¨ OR æ OR ä» OR è¿ OR ä¸ OR å¤§ OR
æ¥ OR ä¸ OR å½ OR ä¸ª OR å° OR è¯´ OR ä»¬ OR ä¸º OR å OR å OR ä½  OR å¹´ OR æ¶)

*
On 21/04/2008, Martin MacPherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the following
> if you use gmail:
>
> If you're like me then you get a lot of Russian spam in Gmail. There has
> been no way to filter it out, until now. I found that if you create a filter
> to search for emails that have the words "Ð² OR Ð¸" you will filter out a lot
> of the Russian spam.
>
> Full post
> http://www.jasonblogs.com/thoughts/filter-russian-spam-in-gmail.html
>
> Just need to identify a common chinese character..h :)
>
> On 21/04/2008, Antony Walmsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a language filter option? Maybe filter out the messages
> > containing the Russian words for "the" or "is" or something like that?
> > Most of the spam seems to be in foreign languages at the moment.
> >
> >
> > On 17/04/2008, Rob Mensching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We could do that but then we'd block people like the "yesterday you"
> > that
> > > wanted to ask questions without signing up.  Is it worth it to block
> > them?
> > > So far I've voted noâ¦ but the spam does feel like it is getting worse.
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > Of dB.
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 05:51
> > >  To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >  Subject: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> > > wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> > the
> > > reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> > > privileges can disable that?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > dB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -dB.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-21 Thread Martin MacPherson

I have been thinking the same. I found a post who suggested the following if
you use gmail:

If you're like me then you get a lot of Russian spam in Gmail. There has
been no way to filter it out, until now. I found that if you create a filter
to search for emails that have the words "Ð² OR Ð¸" you will filter out a lot
of the Russian spam.

Full post
http://www.jasonblogs.com/thoughts/filter-russian-spam-in-gmail.html

Just need to identify a common chinese character..h :)

On 21/04/2008, Antony Walmsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is there a language filter option? Maybe filter out the messages
> containing the Russian words for "the" or "is" or something like that?
> Most of the spam seems to be in foreign languages at the moment.
>
>
> On 17/04/2008, Rob Mensching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We could do that but then we'd block people like the "yesterday you"
> that
> > wanted to ask questions without signing up.  Is it worth it to block
> them?
> > So far I've voted noâ¦ but the spam does feel like it is getting worse.
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of dB.
> >  Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 05:51
> >  To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >  Subject: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> > wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> the
> > reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> > privileges can disable that?
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > dB.
> >
> >
> >
> > -dB.
> >
> > dblock.org / foodcandy.com
> >
> >
>
> >
> -
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> >
> >
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-21 Thread Antony Walmsley

Is there a language filter option? Maybe filter out the messages
containing the Russian words for "the" or "is" or something like that?
Most of the spam seems to be in foreign languages at the moment.

On 17/04/2008, Rob Mensching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> We could do that but then we'd block people like the "yesterday you" that
> wanted to ask questions without signing up.  Is it worth it to block them?
> So far I've voted noâ¦ but the spam does feel like it is getting worse.
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of dB.
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 05:51
>  To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>  Subject: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam
>
>
>
>
> Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's the
> reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> privileges can disable that?
>
>
>
> cheers
>
> dB.
>
>
>
> -dB.
>
> dblock.org / foodcandy.com
>
>
> -
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-16 Thread Rob Mensching

We could do that but then we'd block people like the "yesterday you" that 
wanted to ask questions without signing up.  Is it worth it to block them?  So 
far I've voted no... but the spam does feel like it is getting worse.  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dB.
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 05:51
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I wasn't 
subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's the reason why 
the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin privileges can disable 
that?

cheers
dB.

-dB.
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-16 Thread Jason Rivers

I'd agree to that.

I might then get back to reading some of the posts and lending some help,
as it is at the moment, there's so much spam, I rarely take a look anymore.

the spam is frustrating, and i'm sure I'm not the only one that almost
ignores the list because of it.

J

PS - Sorry Rob, did a reply instead of Reply-to-all.



On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Rob Hamflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd really appreciate that.  The signal-to-noise ratio has really taken a
> hit on this list recently.
>
> Rob
>
> dB. wrote:
> > Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
> > wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
> > the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
> > privileges can disable that?
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > dB.
> >
> >
> >
> > -dB.
> >
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> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-16 Thread Rob Hamflett

I'd really appreciate that.  The signal-to-noise ratio has really taken a hit 
on this list recently.

Rob

dB. wrote:
> Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I 
> wasnât subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. Thatâs 
> the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin 
> privileges can disable that?
> 
>  
> 
> cheers
> 
> dB.
> 
>  
> 
> -dB.
> 
> dblock.org  / foodcandy.com 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public => more spam

2008-04-16 Thread dB.

Looks like wix-users is open to public posting. I just realized that I
wasn't subscribed to the list and was able to send stuff to it. That's
the reason why the list is full of spam posts. Maybe someone with admin
privileges can disable that?

 

cheers

dB. 

 

-dB.

dblock.org   / foodcandy.com
 

 

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