[WSG] Some suggestions needed
Looking at http://www.muprivate.edu.au/index_frameset.asp I'm fighting to replicate the same layout as was used with tables. All is going fine, until I got to the footer, when it's just too complex for me to figure out. Could I ask if the group could look at the above URL and see what could be done with the footer? It's the bit that starts "University web search" Thanks greatly! Gary smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Felix This looks to generated from Outlook Express - it hasn't been sent by a list member. (The guidelines http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm suggest that everyone uses plain text to send email.) You may also be having some trouble rendering the messages with the mail client you seem to be using -- Netscape Navigator Version 2.02 (running on OS/2) Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) (source : http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-client/client.html) Reasonable clients should render the text part of the email only (Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1") if that is how you have it set up. Please direct any responses about this offlist. Cheers James Felix Miata wrote: John Evans wrote: Why do people send this junk to a mailing list? Why doesn't the mailing list software strip it out? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links
Hi, some reading about skip links by Joe Clark, he specifies you should make them visible. Although for a commercial site it would be hard to push this idea, http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h4-2020 And if you browse this interview with him on digital web to the heading labelled Technique. http://www.digital-web.com/interviews/interview_2003-10.shtml I have seen some sites with a link to an accessibility page in the footer bar, like along side the legality link. But I can't remember where sorry. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan R. Grossman Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 5:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left content div usually containing specifc info with further links) for most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients want. Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences) reader display of most of these show: How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home page to allow readers to skip to the content div? One design issue is that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't know how others feel about that either. Or would it be better to build the skip link as part of the top/logo div using "hidden"? Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of "charity" (I hate that word) work for small non-profits often disability related Also, either techniqu aside, are peope also adding in a link to an accesibility information page? Are people setting up pages now to explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly of course), etc? I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I don't know if that's going to far? One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title or alt tags? Or in long description tags for those it works for? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these. Susan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
The Resources section on the Web Standards Group website has a section with links to 'CSS' known browser bugs: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat23 Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:12:45 +1000 >Michael - I am getting the content but no style, except for one photo >towards the bottom of the page. I tried in the latest of Mozilla and >IE (PC_XP). > >Cheers >Maureen Beattie > > > Yes, it's pulled down now Sarah, but thanks for looking. I had a >totally different problem with coldfusion at the time I posted that >message, so I made a static version of the page. I've since fixed >both the ColdFusion problem and the display issue I was talking >about, so I have no need for the static page to litter the site. >I've done some housekeeping and got rid of it. > > > > If you want to see the site, the client will probably give me the >ok to launch it tomorrow. But the (unlaunched) home page is at >http://mezzanines.com.au/index2.cfm > > > > The page in question was the about us page, but the problem was >also appearing on the home page and several others. Now all gone by >using position:relative in the offending divs, thanks to two people >on this list who pointed out the problem and also to articles with >the solution. > > > > Thanks again for being interested enough in my problem to go >looking. > > > > Cheers > > Mike Kear > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > AFP Webworks > > http://afpwebworks.com > > > > > > >- >- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Sammis > Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 2:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? > > > > I'm guessing you've taken the page down to work on it because I'm >getting a 404. > > Sarah > On Sunday, Mar 28, 2004, at 01:08 US/Pacific, Michael Kear wrote: > > http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Michael - I am getting the content but no style, except for one photo towards the bottom of the page. I tried in the latest of Mozilla and IE (PC_XP). Cheers Maureen Beattie Yes, its pulled down now Sarah, but thanks for looking. I had a totally different problem with coldfusion at the time I posted that message, so I made a static version of the page. Ive since fixed both the ColdFusion problem and the display issue I was talking about, so I have no need for the static page to litter the site. Ive done some housekeeping and got rid of it. If you want to see the site, the client will probably give me the ok to launch it tomorrow. But the (unlaunched) home page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/index2.cfm The page in question was the about us page, but the problem was also appearing on the home page and several others. Now all gone by using position:relative in the offending divs, thanks to two people on this list who pointed out the problem and also to articles with the solution. Thanks again for being interested enough in my problem to go looking. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah SammisSent: Monday, 29 March 2004 2:13 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? I'm guessing you've taken the page down to work on it because I'm getting a 404.SarahOn Sunday, Mar 28, 2004, at 01:08 US/Pacific, Michael Kear wrote: http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm
[WSG] Some links...
BBC Broadcast goes full CSS: http://www.bbcbroadcast.com/ New css layout resources: http://intensivstation.ch/css/template.php Eric Meyer on CSS, "just a shiny new tool": http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/200403.html#d23t1304 Zeldman launches Happy Cog 3 - his company website revamped: http://www.happycog.com/ Structured tables - a good article on tables: http://www.isolani.co.uk/articles/structuredTables.html While you are there, worth a read are: http://markl.f2o.org/tutorial/tables/Advanced_Tables.html http://moronicbajebus.com/playground/cssplay/reformat-table/ Usability and Fly-Out Menus: http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/usability_and_flyout_menus.php Linked to before, but a great read for all developers: http://www.evolt.org/article/I_am_USER_hear_me_roar/4090/60295/index.html Articles on CSS in Finnish anyone?: http://www.2kmediat.com/css/ Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Yes, it’s pulled down now Sarah, but thanks for looking. I had a totally different problem with coldfusion at the time I posted that message, so I made a static version of the page. I’ve since fixed both the ColdFusion problem and the display issue I was talking about, so I have no need for the static page to litter the site. I’ve done some housekeeping and got rid of it. If you want to see the site, the client will probably give me the ok to launch it tomorrow. But the (unlaunched) home page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/index2.cfm The page in question was the about us page, but the problem was also appearing on the home page and several others. Now all gone by using position:relative in the offending divs, thanks to two people on this list who pointed out the problem and also to articles with the solution. Thanks again for being interested enough in my problem to go looking. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah Sammis Sent: Monday, 29 March 2004 2:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? I'm guessing you've taken the page down to work on it because I'm getting a 404. Sarah On Sunday, Mar 28, 2004, at 01:08 US/Pacific, Michael Kear wrote: http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
I'm guessing you've taken the page down to work on it because I'm getting a 404. Sarah On Sunday, Mar 28, 2004, at 01:08 US/Pacific, Michael Kear wrote: http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Yes, two good places to start. And if you want the "definitive list" (if there ever is such a thing) of CSS resources, try here: http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/css.html I think this massive resource is maintained by one person, Laura Carlson, who is also on the WSG list?? Russ > My proposed 'starter kit' mini-set of CSS bookmarks > > http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ > http://www.cssvault.com/resources.php * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
El dom, 28-03-2004 a las 14:58, Michael Kear escribió: > Is anyone giving any > consideration to cataloguing all those articles? Perhaps an index on a web > page or something? Glad you solved your problem. I'd say if you bookmark one or two 'entry points' and surf from there, every useful resource is at most a couple of jumps away. CSS info is pretty well catalogued (in an emergent, decentralized, Web's own way, of course :) My proposed 'starter kit' mini-set of CSS bookmarks http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ http://www.cssvault.com/resources.php -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
AH YES!!! Thank you to Manuel González Noriega and Jason Turnbull. You both diagnosed it correctly, and with your help I've fixed the problem. It was indeed that bug that was causing the problem. I had read that note before, but it didn't mean much to me at the time, not having experienced the problem. Which leads me to another point ... we have a LOT of reading material here and I know that all of Russ's emails with the subject "some light reading" will contain lots and lots of useful stuff. The trouble is, its not always immediately of use, and later on when it is needed, I can never put my finger on the article again to put it to use. Is anyone giving any consideration to cataloguing all those articles? Perhaps an index on a web page or something? It would be good to be able to turn up an article mentioned here on the list 3 months ago by searching somewhere. Perhaps part of the WSG site. If not on that site, I'd be happy to provide SQLServer and ColdFusion and web space for the purpose. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manuel González Noriega Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? El dom, 28-03-2004 a las 11:08, Michael Kear escribió: > Ive looked and Ive looked, and I cant see whats the matter > here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page > You are not alone, it's a well known IE bug. Thankfully it's solvable too http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
El dom, 28-03-2004 a las 11:08, Michael Kear escribiÃ: > Iâve looked and Iâve looked, and I canât see whatâs the matter > here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page > You are not alone, it's a well known IE bug. Thankfully it's solvable too http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html -- Manuel GonzÃlez Noriega SimplelÃgica, construcciÃn web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de SimplelÃgica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
> Michael Kear wrote: > When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesnt appear. > The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Although Im not seeing this problem it is a common IE bug, sometimes it can be fixed by adding position:relative to the problem div or html element or adding a height to the containing div. I usually add a height to the problem div (can be 1% IE ignores this and expands) and hide the style from other browsers, which can be done with IE conditional comments or other CSS hacks. Regards Jason Turnbull * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Unsubscribing will fix it Felix. P > Why do people send this junk to a mailing list? > > Why doesn't the mailing list software strip it out? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Michael Kear wrote: I’ve looked and I’ve looked, and I can’t see what’s the matter here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesn’t appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back to it, there the content is. It’s loading ok, as a vew source will testify, but it doesn’t display. Can anyone see what’s wrong? The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. I’ve tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in the face but I just can’t see it. Anyone? The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com hi michael just want to confirm that i'm getting the same problem with your page. IE6, WinXP SP1 justin * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
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RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
I just hope the client looks at it with your browser rather than mine! Can anyone think a possible reason why John might not see the problem with IE6/WinXP when I’m using the same setup and I do see pages with all the text hidden until I select them or hit refresh? Big puzzle. What could be wrong with my browser that could cause that? Because if I’m building sites with faulty browser installation then I’m never going to get anywhere. I’ve never seen this problem before though, and it’s happening consistently on this site. Both on my production server, and on the development setup on my PC. Cheers Mike Kear From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Evans Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? Michael All pages show OK in IE 6 on Win XP [SP1] Can't replicate your problem. John John Evans JLE Consulting Pty Ltd PO Box 197 Balwyn North Vic 3104 Ph: 03 - 9859 0106 Fax: 03 - 9859 0417 Mob: 0416 180 322 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.jle.com.au +
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Michael All pages show OK in IE 6 on Win XP [SP1] Can't replicate your problem. John John EvansJLE Consulting Pty LtdPO Box 197Balwyn North Vic 3104Ph: 03 - 9859 0106Fax: 03 - 9859 0417Mob: 0416 180 322E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]W: www.jle.com.au+ - Original Message - From: Michael Kear To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? Ive looked and Ive looked, and I cant see whats the matter here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesnt appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back to it, there the content is. Its loading ok, as a vew source will testify, but it doesnt display. Can anyone see whats wrong? The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. Ive tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in the face but I just cant see it. Anyone? The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Try replacing the graphic - I had a similar thing happen today - image in a header viewed fine in all other browsers and evenen Mozilla on other computers. But would not display for the life of me on the one machine. I even replaced and upgraded Mozilla to 1.6 from 1.5 to no avail - rebooting didn't work either - finally I just re-uploaded the image and poof there it was - weirdest thing but it worked! Brian -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? Loads and views fine for me with ie5 and ie6 sp1 on win2k -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Michael Kear wrote: > I've looked and I've looked, and I can't see what's the matter here.. > When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesn't > appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back > to it, there the content is. It's loading ok, as a vew source will > testify, but it doesn't display. Can anyone see what's wrong? > > The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. I've > tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I > suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in > the face but I just can't see it. > > Anyone? > > The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm > > Cheers > > Mike Kear > > AFP Webworks > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Oh! Well what about this page that's doing the same thing for me http://mezzanines.com.au/index2.cfmThat page also h as all the content there, because when you select it shows up, but seems to be white text on white background, despite what the CSS says. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neerav Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page?? Loads and views fine for me with ie5 and ie6 sp1 on win2k -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Michael Kear wrote: > I've looked and I've looked, and I can't see what's the matter here.. > When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesn't > appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back > to it, there the content is. It's loading ok, as a vew source will > testify, but it doesn't display. Can anyone see what's wrong? > > The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. I've > tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I > suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in > the face but I just can't see it. > > Anyone? > > The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm > > Cheers > > Mike Kear > > AFP Webworks > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??
Loads and views fine for me with ie5 and ie6 sp1 on win2k -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Michael Kear wrote: I’ve looked and I’ve looked, and I can’t see what’s the matter here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesn’t appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back to it, there the content is. It’s loading ok, as a vew source will testify, but it doesn’t display. Can anyone see what’s wrong? The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. I’ve tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in the face but I just can’t see it. Anyone? The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] What's wrong with this page??
I’ve looked and I’ve looked, and I can’t see what’s the matter here.. When this page loads in IE, the body content of the page doesn’t appear. However when you put another window over the top and come back to it, there the content is. It’s loading ok, as a vew source will testify, but it doesn’t display. Can anyone see what’s wrong? The page validates as xhtml1.0 strict and the CSS validates too. I’ve tinkered around with the divs and nothing seems to fix the problem. I suspect its another one of those stupid little things that stares me in the face but I just can’t see it. Anyone? The page is at http://mezzanines.com.au/aboutus.htm Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com
