date:20040606

Thanks Ryan!

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
www.karmakars.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Christie
Sent: Monday, 7 June 2004 4:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Help with IE 6

Amit Karmakar wrote:

>  
> The site: http://www.maysvillerotary.org
> CSS: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css
>
It's pretty late over here, and I only brushed over the stuff but

#navcontainer
{
float: left;
width: 199px;
border-right: 1px solid #B4D3DC;
padding: 0 0 1em 0;
margin-bottom: 1em;
font-family: Verdana, Lucida, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
/*background-color: #99;*/
background: #C7E4E6;
color: #333;
}

I think your problem has a bit to do with the box model manhandling of IE6's
engine. When you're using specified witdths in your CSS, be careful about
also specifying the padding -- it'll break lots of stuff in IE. Can get
around with Tantek's V-F hack
(http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html) or just avoid using
width+padding in block elements.

under #navigation li a, I don't think you should need a width:100% .. li
will fill up the space they reside in horizontally unless limited by a
max-width/width.

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RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

Thanks Jose works like a charm!

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
www.karmakars.com
 

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Hello!
This is my first message to the list, first of all, sorry my bad english,
I'm spanish.

>The site seems to be working fine in most browsers except IE6. Bloody
IE
>Any help to get it working in IE v6/Win would be appreciated.
>People on macs would you mind giving me your feedback too. Thanks.

Try deleting "width:100%;" in the rule "#navcontainer li a" I thimk it will
work.

Jose Florido

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RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6




AWESOME!
 
Spot on Jeff, you're a bottler! 
 
Thanks, I appreciate it muchly.
 



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Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1stSent: Monday, 7 June 2004 3:55 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] Help 
with IE 6

This is your problem: #navcontainer li a{display: block;padding: 5px 5px 5px 0.5em;border-left: 10px solid #326263;border-right: 10px solid #92C6C7;background-color: #498485;color: #EDF7F8;text-decoration: none;width: 100%; - you don’t need this}
 

Cheers
 
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Lowder
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6
 

People,

 

I did this site over the last 
weekend. Still needs more work though.

 

The site seems to be working 
fine in most browsers except IE6. Bloody IE

 

Any help to get it working in IE 
v6/Win would be appreciated.

People on macs would you mind giving me your feedback 
too. Thanks.

 

The site: http://www.maysvillerotary.org

CSS: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css

 

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Re: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-06 Thread Chris Stratford





They are right - you dont need width: 100%

the only adverse effect that will have - now you wont see the HOVER
Effect unless you hover over the TEXT and not the BOX
in IE ONLY...

Most other browsers this will work still...


NOTE:
Im only fairly sure what I said is true.
I have been in similar situations, and the width: 100% was the same
issue.
And removing it - caused what I described above to happen...
:)

Cheers

Chris Stratford

Ryan Christie wrote:
Amit Karmakar wrote:
  
  
   

The site: http://www.maysvillerotary.org

CSS: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css


  
It's pretty late over here, and I only brushed over the stuff but
  
  
#navcontainer
  
{
  
float: left;
  
width: 199px;
  
border-right: 1px solid #B4D3DC;
  
padding: 0 0 1em 0;
  
margin-bottom: 1em;
  
font-family: Verdana, Lucida, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
  
/*background-color: #99;*/
  
background: #C7E4E6;
  
color: #333;
  
}
  
  
I think your problem has a bit to do with the box model manhandling of
IE6's engine. When you're using
  
specified witdths in your CSS, be careful about also specifying the
padding -- it'll break lots of stuff
  
in IE. Can get around with Tantek's V-F hack
(http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html) or
  
just avoid using width+padding in block elements.
  
  
under #navigation li a, I don't think you should need a width:100% ..
li will fill up the space they reside
  
in horizontally unless limited by a max-width/width.

Re: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-06 Thread Jose Florido

Hello!
This is my first message to the list, first of all, sorry my bad english,
I'm spanish.

>The site seems to be working fine in most browsers except IE6. Bloody
IE
>Any help to get it working in IE v6/Win would be appreciated.
>People on macs would you mind giving me your feedback too. Thanks.

Try deleting "width:100%;" in the rule "#navcontainer li a" I thimk it will
work.

Jose Florido

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Re: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-06 Thread Ryan Christie

Amit Karmakar wrote:
 
The site: http://www.maysvillerotary.org
CSS: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css

It's pretty late over here, and I only brushed over the stuff but
#navcontainer
{
float: left;
width: 199px;
border-right: 1px solid #B4D3DC;
padding: 0 0 1em 0;
margin-bottom: 1em;
font-family: Verdana, Lucida, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
/*background-color: #99;*/
background: #C7E4E6;
color: #333;
}
I think your problem has a bit to do with the box model manhandling of IE6's engine. 
When you're using
specified witdths in your CSS, be careful about also specifying the padding -- it'll 
break lots of stuff
in IE. Can get around with Tantek's V-F hack 
(http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html) or
just avoid using width+padding in block elements.
under #navigation li a, I don't think you should need a width:100% .. li will fill up 
the space they reside
in horizontally unless limited by a max-width/width.
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RE: [WSG] Help with IE 6

2004-06-06 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st








This is your problem: #navcontainer li a{display: block;padding: 5px 5px 5px 0.5em;border-left: 10px solid #326263;border-right: 10px solid #92C6C7;background-color: #498485;color: #EDF7F8;text-decoration: none;width: 100%; - you don’t need this}

 



Cheers

 

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People,





 





I did this site over the last
weekend. Still needs more work though.





 





The site seems to be working
fine in most browsers except IE6. Bloody IE





 





Any help to get it working in IE
v6/Win would be appreciated.





People on macs would you mind giving me your feedback too. Thanks.





 





The site: http://www.maysvillerotary.org





CSS: http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css





 





Regards, 
Amit Karmakar 
www.karmakars.com




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[WSG] Styling list markers?

2004-06-06 Thread Sam Walker

How would you go about selecting the markers on an ordered list to 
style them? I want to style the 1,2,3,4 markers (or in this case, I. 
II. III. IV. , as i have the style set to upper-roman) with things such 
as size and color, but I can't figure out how to select just the 
markers – the closest I can get is selecting an entire list item, which 
is not what I want. Am I missing something obvious, or is this simply 
not possible?

I was thinking you could get the same effect by turning off the markers 
before list items and making your own with a counter, then styling 
them, but that's not exactly a real good solution to the problem, and 
counters aren't supported in the major (any?) browsers anyways.

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People,
 
I did this site 
over the last weekend. Still needs more work though.
 
The 
site seems to be working fine in most browsers except IE6. Bloody 
IE
 
Any help to get it 
working in IE v6/Win would be appreciated.
People on macs 
would you mind giving me your feedback too. Thanks.
 
The site: 
http://www.maysvillerotary.org
CSS: 
http://www.maysvillerotary.org/assets/styles/maysvillerotary.css
 

Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com 
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RE: [WSG] Site breaking in Mozilla

2004-06-06 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st









I’d recommend against using
Image replacement in this instance as the only time it’ll be semantically
correct to have the header as the H1 element would be the homepage of the site.

 

e.g. on the news page - News Page - Style 2h2> really should be:
News Page - Style 2h1>

 

So I’d just put the header image
directly into the page with alt text.

i.e. 

 

    

  

 

Then, for all other pages except for
the homepage do this:

 

    

  

 

Cheers 

 

Jeff Lowder

Accessibility 1st

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Subject: Re: [WSG] Site breaking in Mozilla

 

Thanks to Jeff and Kay, I have been
able to clean up the site and code quite

a bit. Unfortunately,
there are a couple of things that I cannot seem to get

a grasp on conceptually:

 

1. I don't understand why Mozilla is dropping the header down about 20px. I

don't have either padding or
margins in either the container or the #top

header.

 

2. I have been trying to get the
linked text to center vertically over the

state of Texas. I thought that since
the image was inserted as a background

that all I needed was to center vertically, but it does not work.

 

Thanks again,

Ward

 

 

- Original Message - 

 

> Most of your problems are
coming from the standard box model problems

> associated with IE.

 

> -Original Message-

> It seems that whenever I try to
fix a problem in Mozilla, then IE

> breaks. I would greatly
appreciate any suggestions that y'all may have.

> The files are located at:

>

>
http://www.texasdha.org/temp/index.htm

>
http://www.texasdha.org/temp/styles1.css

 

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Re: [WSG] Site breaking in Mozilla

2004-06-06 Thread dean burge

Hi Ward.
Ward and Andrea Scott wrote:
1. I don't understand why Mozilla is dropping the header down about 20px. I
don't have either padding or margins in either the container or the #top
header.
For this one, try setting padding &/or margins of the h1 element to 
zero. I just experienced the same problem on a site I am working on.

h1 { padding: 0; margin: 0; }
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Re: [WSG] Site breaking in Mozilla

2004-06-06 Thread Ward and Andrea Scott

Thanks to Jeff and Kay, I have been able to clean up the site and code quite
a bit. Unfortunately, there are a couple of things that I cannot seem to get
a grasp on conceptually:

1. I don't understand why Mozilla is dropping the header down about 20px. I
don't have either padding or margins in either the container or the #top
header.

2. I have been trying to get the linked text to center vertically over the
state of Texas. I thought that since the image was inserted as a background
that all I needed was to center vertically, but it does not work.

Thanks again,
Ward


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> Most of your problems are coming from the standard box model problems
> associated with IE.

> -Original Message-
> It seems that whenever I try to fix a problem in Mozilla, then IE
> breaks. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions that y'all may have.
> The files are located at:
>
> http://www.texasdha.org/temp/index.htm
> http://www.texasdha.org/temp/styles1.css

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Re: [WSG] Ruby - where to learn more and see examples of its uses

2004-06-06 Thread Gary Menzel

> From my bookmarks, these may help...

But.. aren't we talking about
the tag and not RUBY the language ?

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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread James Ellis

Hello all
I have started a new category on the WSG site call "Development and 
design tools".  I think at this point it would be a good idea for 
everyone to login and start listing all these programs on the WSG 
website so that we can refer to these in the future, without having to 
navigate thru a thread - their have been a few threads like this in the 
past.

The first resource listed is Tim Hill's suggestion. All members have 
access to update this category so please add the editor you have 
discussed in this thread if it it is not listed (Tim, feel free to 
update yours).

Once logged in go to "Members" and then "Add resource article".
http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat30
Cheers
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Hill, Tim wrote:
http://tsware.net/
TSW Web Coder, pretty cool app. Has great CSS support and can make it do
automatic xhtml syntax etc. and its free, (need valid email though, but
I haven't received any spam from it) 

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RE: [WSG] What to do?

2004-06-06 Thread Sean M. Hall AKA Dante

Title: RE: [WSG] What to do? 
> Best by Example... 
 
That's what I was going to do (in fact, I came really close, but a certain browser interfered and I gave up). Perhaps I'll try when I come back from Ireland. 
 
He'll have to pay me in Sunflower Seeds (my latest addiction) since I'm under the legal drinking age in California.

RE: [WSG] What to do?

Title: [WSG] What to do?

Dante,
Best
by example: rebuild without tables and say, Hey, this is how easy it is, would
you like me to do the rest for you? As it's a non-profit org, they will likely
be concerned about bandwidth and if, as you say, the site proves popular, the
bandwidth will go through the roof.
Give
the guy a practical, monetised reason for change.
Then,
once it's all converted, ask him for the beers he owes you
:o)
Mike
PepperAccessible Web Developer (near the end of a 15-hour day)www.seowebsitepromotion.comwww.gawds.org

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] What to
do?I
recently asked the webmaster of The Western Neighborhoods Project ( http://www.outsidelands.org/ ), a
small non-profit orginazation for history of West San Francisco, about
redesigning his site without tables. I told him that tables can sometimes
increase download time and that if he ever wanted to redesign the site all he
would have to do is edit one file. He stated that the tables the site uses are
pretty light, and that he likes to keep it simple. The fact of the
matter is that people will be reluctant to use Web Standards since they feel
it is too complicated, even though nested tables are far more complicated than
CSS-Based Layout. I can see his point - the Project (of which I am a
member) is fully dedicated to researching the wonderful history of west San
Francisco, and as long as people can read the important event postings and
articles (one of which I have written, btw). So what would you guys
do: keep trying to convince the webmaster (who also happens to be the founder
of the project) that nested tables = evil, or just leave the subject alone as
long as everyone can access the site.
Dante R. Evans: The Bo$$
Also known by his pen name, "Sean M. Hall"
San Francisco and Atomic Bomb History
Standards-based Design and Development
7 years of Piano Expertise
.5 years of self-taught guitar experience
Opera 7 Afficiando [sp?]
"Wir Müssen die Verordnungswidrige Browser Aüsrotten"

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Hill, Tim

http://tsware.net/
TSW Web Coder, pretty cool app. Has great CSS support and can make it do
automatic xhtml syntax etc. and its free, (need valid email though, but
I haven't received any spam from it) 


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What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?




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Re: [WSG] Ruby - where to learn more and see examples of its uses

2004-06-06 Thread afdesign

From my bookmarks, these may help...
http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000199.html
http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
http://poignantguide.net/ruby/
http://www.rubyonrails.org/show/HomePage
Cheers
dez
theGrafixGuy wrote:
Been seeing a lot mentioned about RUBY.
Can anyone point out some resources for information on this besides 
W3C? W3C is great for a detailed technical overview but seeing 
realistic real world examples and how it is used is more informative 
from a designer’s standpoint.

Thanks.
Brian Grimmer
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[WSG] What to do?

2004-06-06 Thread Sean M. Hall AKA Dante

Title: [WSG] What to do? 
I recently asked the webmaster of The Western Neighborhoods Project ( http://www.outsidelands.org/ ), a small non-profit orginazation for history of West San Francisco, about redesigning his site without tables. 
I told him that tables can sometimes increase download time and that if he ever wanted to redesign the site all he would have to do is edit one file. He stated that the tables the site uses are pretty light, and that he likes to keep it simple. 
 
The fact of the matter is that people will be reluctant to use Web Standards since they feel it is too complicated, even though nested tables are far more complicated than CSS-Based Layout. 
 
I can see his point - the Project (of which I am a member) is fully dedicated to researching the wonderful history of west San Francisco, and as long as people can read the important event postings and articles (one of which I have written, btw). 
 
So what would you guys do: keep trying to convince the webmaster (who also happens to be the founder of the project) that nested tables = evil, or just leave the subject alone as long as everyone can access the site. 
  Dante R. Evans: The Bo$$
Also known by his pen name, "Sean M. Hall"
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Re: [WSG] Hi All

2004-06-06 Thread Cristhian Palma

Iain Gardiner wrote:
Oh, and replacing the code-heavy javascript rollover effects with a more 
lightweight option like Pixy's 
(http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html) might be an option 
you wish to consider.
 
As Iain suggested, it would be good to change the heavy navigation menu 
with a lighter option, it makes Mozilla Firefox feel pretty slow.

Besides that, your website looks clean yet eye-catching.
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*Subject:* [WSG] Hi All
This is my first post here... so I want to say hi all and to quickly
present myself: I'm Nicola... from Italy.
I'm a web designer with a great passion for this job and now devoted
to web standards too.
 
I'm redesigning our company's web site, here is a link to check the
new layout (if you have time):
http://www.computertime-az.it/informazioni_azienda.htm, some links
are not working but most of the pages are online already.
The old layout is here: www.computertime-az.it
. I already know that there is a
problem to solve on IE for Mac.
 
Any tip or advice is really appreciated.
 
Thank you in advance
 
Nicola
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Re: [WSG] Linearizing Tables - Is there a standard?

2004-06-06 Thread RC Pierce

Thanks for that, Vlad. I'm still a long way off being able to make heads or tails of 
the xsl.  I can
follow what is going on, though.

Perhaps a little explanation would help me better understand what to expect from 
screenreader.xsl
(private mail is okay, since this may be not be considered a list topic).

Roy


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Hi Roy,

Think of each cell as a  tag. We use XSLT to make tables linear within XStandard. 
Here is the
link to download the XSLT:
http://xstandard.com/download/screenreader.xsl

Regards,
-Vlad
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> Is there a 'standard' way for linearizing tables? Does one move
> across, then down row by row, or down then across column by column?
>
> (Okay, I know this was asked in another thread, but noone bit, so I'm posting it as 
> a new topic.)
>
> Roy
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Re: [WSG] Which editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-06 Thread RC Pierce

Missing from the list is Context Programmers Editor.

http://www.fixedsys.com/context/

With my as yet limited skill set, I still treat it pretty much like Notepad, but it 
has much, much
more to it than just text editing. Context provides syntax highlighting for a great 
many programming
and publishing languages, including html, xml and css (some plug-ins required).

One of the many features that I really like (since I work on a page by page basis :-) 
is global
find/replace. Multiple files can be opened at once, and changes can be effected on 
every open file
in the editor in one go. The Save All/Close All feature is rather handy, too, and the 
program
remembers your last save.

If a file changes, or is deleted/renamed (through some other means) while it is open 
in editor,
Context asks if you wish to reload it.

So far I have been running it (for past six months, or so) in both Win 98 SE and XP 
without any
problems. There are countless optional settings, project groups and recent 
files/projects. While I
may not be familiar with any of the editors mentioned so far, I'd guess that it 
compares with many
of them.

Still, I do all my creation work in Notepad, but for all large-scale changes I turn to 
Context.
While I may not do much justice in my rather sketchy description, I am of the opinion 
that this free
editor is well worth taking a good look at.

Roy


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Recently Paul Scrivens (Whitespace) conducted a "Non-scientific poll on
HTML/CSS Editors" which attracted over 120 responses and so probably
constitutes one of the more compresnhensive discussions on this topic:
http://www.9rules.com/whitespace/our_thoughts/nonscientific_poll_htmlcss_editors.php

Steve Pilgrim of Rodent Regatta then posted a list of links to all the
Editors mentioned in Scriv's poll and also ranked them based on the
number of times they were mentioned in the comments:
http://www.rodentregatta.com/archives/005771.php#005771

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dez
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RE: [WSG] Hi All

2004-06-06 Thread Iain Gardiner

Title: Message



Ciao 
belo,
 
And 
that's all your getting because I don't know any Italian.  :)  That's 
a nice layout.  Clean and uses colours that lead the eye but don't drag 
it.  Only thing I can see that I might change is purely subjective and it 
has to do with the black border at the very bottom of the main division.  I 
might mimic that at the top.
 
Oh, 
and replacing the code-heavy _javascript_ rollover effects with a more lightweight 
option like Pixy's (http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html) 
might be an option you wish to consider.
 
Welcome to the group.  :)
 
Iain

  
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  Nicola RubeoSent: 06 June 2004 20:30To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Hi All
  This is my first post here... so I want to say hi 
  all and to quickly present myself: I'm Nicola... from Italy.
  I'm a web designer with a great passion for this 
  job and now devoted to web standards too.
   
  I'm redesigning our company's web site, here is a 
  link to check the new layout (if you have time): http://www.computertime-az.it/informazioni_azienda.htm, 
  some links are not working but most of the pages are online 
  already.
  The old layout is here: www.computertime-az.it. I already 
  know that there is a problem to solve on IE for Mac.
   
  Any tip or advice is really appreciated. 
  
   
  Thank you in advance
   
  Nicola

Re: [WSG] Which free editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-06 Thread Kristof Neirynck

noa wrote:
Sean M. Hall AKA Dante wrote:
As I said before: syntax highlighting and no automatic insertion. 
EditPlus  isn't free, as such, but it has an 
unlimited unrestricted trial mode, and better syntax highlighting.  
Also, it has a built in FTP browser.
+1
Worth 36* its price.
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[WSG] Hi All

2004-06-06 Thread Nicola Rubeo




This is my first post here... so I want to say hi 
all and to quickly present myself: I'm Nicola... from Italy.
I'm a web designer with a great passion for this 
job and now devoted to web standards too.
 
I'm redesigning our company's web site, here is a 
link to check the new layout (if you have time): http://www.computertime-az.it/informazioni_azienda.htm, 
some links are not working but most of the pages are online 
already.
The old layout is here: www.computertime-az.it. I already know 
that there is a problem to solve on IE for Mac.
 
Any tip or advice is really appreciated. 

 
Thank you in advance
 
Nicola

Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Kristof Neirynck

Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Thanks again, Kristof. I appreciate the time you've put into this; I 
have to get back to work too.

I'm not sure that even nesting tables would give the liquid layout; 
I meant to reply on this:
<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<--   [img] [img] [img]   ->
You could make the last row have less columns.
Just inserting a table in that row
Can't be done withhout javascript.
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread RC Pierce

Hi Nick,

The post is under this topic, from Saturday morning:

Bert Doorn

Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:51 AM

RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

The page on Bert's site where the layout is used:

http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/clients/index.html

Cheers,

Roy



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Roy - ummm,  did I miss a post? Can you point me to 'Bert's layout'?

Thanks
Nick
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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 01:59  AM, RC Pierce wrote:

> Bert's thumbnail layout is really quite straight forward. Wish I'd o'
> thought of using inline
> paragraphs as containers when I was having trouble with a thumbnail
> page, myself. The problem of
> attaching caption to image, getting it to center with the thumbnail is
> completely overcome using
> that simple technique. Beats <.td><.img><.br /><.a>caption<./a><./td>
> (ignore dots) all to heck when
> it comes to elasticity and fluidity. Nice one, Bert.

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RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Nick,

I think the trick here is to examine the nature of the containers and
whether they are block or in-line elements. I just don't have time to
revisit until next weekend ... like all of us, no doubt.

I like the idea of using an unordered list since it's semantically correct
so I'll begin there and work my way to the bounding containers. Of course,
it may not be possible, but in my experience there is *always* a way. Just a
question of finding it.

... and then if falls apart in Explorer ...

Cheers,

Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer (indoors when it's a glorious sunny day)
www.seowebsitepromotion.com
www.gawds.org

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Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Thanks again, Kristof. I appreciate the time you've put into this; I
have to get back to work too.

I'm not sure that even nesting tables would give the liquid layout;
surely a table by definition has a hard-coded number of columns? I
guess my vision is of a CSS solution that not only equals what tables
can do, but betters it - by allowing the 'rows' to have a variable
number of columns, according to the width of the enclosing container. I
know we can do that, but only, it seems, justified left or right...

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On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 01:19  AM, Kristof Neirynck wrote:

>> OK, I lied. Second question: your solution is very usable; I class
>> this as 'elegant' because all the img/caption pairs are contained in
>> one (open-ended) list. Just what I was after. But just out of
>> interest, do you think it's possible to go one step further, and
>> style the list so that the number of images in a row varies as window
>> is resized - still keeping the 'grid' centred - for a truly liquid
>> layout?
>
> No it can't be done without javascript.
> I don't have the time to work on a script for that right now.
>
> You said you wanted something to replace *ONE* table.
> This does replace one table.
> To replace nested tables is a whole other ballgame.

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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Thanks again, Kristof. I appreciate the time you've put into this; I 
have to get back to work too.

I'm not sure that even nesting tables would give the liquid layout; 
surely a table by definition has a hard-coded number of columns? I 
guess my vision is of a CSS solution that not only equals what tables 
can do, but betters it - by allowing the 'rows' to have a variable 
number of columns, according to the width of the enclosing container. I 
know we can do that, but only, it seems, justified left or right...

Nick
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On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 01:19  AM, Kristof Neirynck wrote:
OK, I lied. Second question: your solution is very usable; I class 
this as 'elegant' because all the img/caption pairs are contained in 
one (open-ended) list. Just what I was after. But just out of 
interest, do you think it's possible to go one step further, and 
style the list so that the number of images in a row varies as window 
is resized - still keeping the 'grid' centred - for a truly liquid 
layout?
No it can't be done without javascript.
I don't have the time to work on a script for that right now.
You said you wanted something to replace *ONE* table.
This does replace one table.
To replace nested tables is a whole other ballgame.
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Kristof Neirynck

Mike Pepper wrote:
Far out!
Kristof, well done, mate :o) Big smiley for you.
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
I'm with Mike - that's brilliant. It'll certainly fix my immediate 
needs. Thanks, Kristof!
Thank you both.
Talking about:

Now just to implement it ...
I only tested in op6, op7.5, ff0.8, ie6
All on windows, I don't own a mac and don't garantee it works there.
You will probably also need to hide the css from netscape 4.
One question: what's this hack for?
* html #images a {
height: 100px;
he\ight: 95px;
}
Boxmodel hack for ie5.0 win.
The "* html" makes shure only ie sees it.
The first value is seen by all ie's, it includes the padding.
The second is only seen by ie6 and overwrites the previous one.
Ie6 MUST be in standards compliance mode for this to be usefull.
I can write this a lot faster than the tantek hack.
See: A Modified SBMH (Tan hack)

OK, I lied. Second question: your solution is very usable; I class this 
as 'elegant' because all the img/caption pairs are contained in one 
(open-ended) list. Just what I was after. But just out of interest, do 
you think it's possible to go one step further, and style the list so 
that the number of images in a row varies as window is resized - still 
keeping the 'grid' centred - for a truly liquid layout?
No it can't be done without javascript.
I don't have the time to work on a script for that right now.
You said you wanted something to replace *ONE* table.
This does replace one table.
To replace nested tables is a whole other ballgame.
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RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

Clean code = HomeSite 5.5!

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
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[WSG] Ruby - where to learn more and see examples of its uses

2004-06-06 Thread theGrafixGuy









Been seeing a lot mentioned about RUBY.

 

Can anyone point out some resources for
information on this besides W3C? W3C is great for a detailed technical overview
but seeing realistic real world examples and how it is used is more informative
from a designer’s standpoint.

 

Thanks.

 



 

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you guys use?



 

Rick Faaberg wrote:



What is Ruby?

Contrary to what others seem to have thought, I meant
the Ruby Annotation
specification from the W3C:

http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/

I mentioned Ruby support not because I think it's that useful in most
instances, but rather what having the support says about the thoroughness of
TopStyle Pro 3.10 as a Web standards editor.

BTW, searching on ruby+editor isn't correct. "http://www.google.com/search?q=ruby+site%3Aw3c.org"
works well.

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Simon Jessey

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From: "helmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [WSG] What Editors do you guys 
use?

> What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you 
guys use for hand coding and testing?

I now use UltraEdit-32.

Simon 
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RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Benjamin

Homesite 5.5



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Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment

2004-06-06 Thread Mordechai Peller





Sean M. Hall AKA Dante wrote:

  RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment 
  "Use to force [of
Web Standards]" 
  
Cute. This may yet become the new tag line of the WSG

(If George doen't mind.)

Re: [WSG] Which free editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-06 Thread noa

Sean M. Hall AKA Dante wrote:
Self explanatory, see subject.
As I said before: syntax highlighting and no automatic insertion. 
EditPlus  isn't free, as such, but it has an 
unlimited unrestricted trial mode, and better syntax highlighting.  
Also, it has a built in FTP browser.

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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Mordechai Peller





Rick Faaberg wrote:

  What is Ruby?

Contrary to what others seem to have thought, I meant the Ruby Annotation
specification from the W3C:

http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/

I mentioned Ruby support not because I think it's that useful in most
instances, but rather what having the support says about the
thoroughness of TopStyle Pro 3.10 as a Web standards editor.

BTW, searching on ruby+editor isn't correct.
"http://www.google.com/search?q=ruby+site%3Aw3c.org" works well.

RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the poster that asked now]

... But it's ok to have a dig at the Aussie PM ;o)

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Subject: RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the
poster that asked now]


Is Google that hard to use?

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ruby+editor

Can we send these directly to the person that requested it please and that
person can post the suggestions.

Also, just give positives. If you don't like 'product-x', then don't suggest
it. Trashing products on-list is not cool. Complain to the developer
directly if you have a problem.

Play nice now...

P

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> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:47 PM
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>
> On 6/6/04 3:39 AM "Mordechai Peller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent
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> > Ruby
>
> What is Ruby?
>
> TIA
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Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

2004-06-06 Thread Hugh Todd

Neerav,
In the end the numbers win, I guess. (Although this list, I think, 
would support the proposition that getting web standards right is 
important even if the majority browser doesn't. In this case, however, 
we're discussing browsers on a minority platform that are not getting 
standards right.)

- IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck
It's going nowhere, sure, and at some time can be discounted. However, 
for users still on OS 8 and 9 it's the browser most likely to be used 
(and closest to compliance) and many people on OS X up to 10.2 use it 
because they have no idea there's an alternative.

However, because the submenus don't appear on rollover, IE 5 Mac users 
won't know that they are missing anything, as long as they can use the 
main links successfully.

- while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in 
Safari 1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all
This is ironical. When Apple released Safari, the promise was that it 
would usher in a new era when browser innovation would not stagnate. 
However, because no Apple users running OS X 10.2 or lower can run the 
latest version of Safari, they're stuck with a version that will never 
render the Suckerfish submenus properly.

-Hugh Todd
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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Razvan Pop





I use jEdit. Has FTP and SFTP support. Lots and lots of plugins
to install.

helmut wrote:

  What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?




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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster

Subject: Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

hmm 
Topstyle Pro 3.10 - CSS
Dreamweaver MX 2004 7.01 - XHTML/PHP

Browsers
Mozilla 1.7 RC1
IE 6 SP1
Opera 7.50

http://www.danvine.com/icapture/
Safari testing...

http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/
IE 6/5.5/5/4, Firefox & Opera 7.23 testing.

Camz
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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? -OT

2004-06-06 Thread Charles \"grey wolf\" Banas

Rick Faaberg wrote:
On 6/6/04 3:39 AM "Mordechai Peller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

Ruby

What is Ruby?
http://www.ruby-lang.org
it's an object-oriented scripting language.  very powerful language, and 
pushed object-oriented programming to its limit.

but this is now off-topic...
TIA
Rick Faaberg
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Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 08:59  PM, Neerav wrote:
Nick thats a top idea, have done as you suggest, adding links to the 
"top level" parts of the menu eg: "Products".
You're welcome.
Im sure you know that the probability of IE X (the next version) being 
released as part of the next Windows Operating System is 100%, whereas 
the chance of M'soft releasing a new IE for Mac is 0%
Agreed, but just because software is no longer developed doesn't mean 
people stop using it!

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RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? [Please reply to the poster that asked now]

2004-06-06 Thread Peter Firminger

Is Google that hard to use?

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ruby+editor

Can we send these directly to the person that requested it please and that
person can post the suggestions.

Also, just give positives. If you don't like 'product-x', then don't suggest
it. Trashing products on-list is not cool. Complain to the developer
directly if you have a problem.

Play nice now...

P

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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Charles \"grey wolf\" Banas

helmut wrote:
What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?

vim.  (and occasionally dreamweaver.)
no.  really.
http://www.vim.org

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Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

2004-06-06 Thread Neerav

Nick thats a top idea, have done as you suggest, adding links to the 
"top level" parts of the menu eg: "Products".

Im sure you know that the probability of IE X (the next version) being 
released as part of the next Windows Operating System is 100%, whereas 
the chance of M'soft releasing a new IE for Mac is 0%

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Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Neerav, can I suggest you activate the 'top level' links in your menu so 
they actually go somewhere - even if it is to the sitemap - rather 
appearing broken to visitors who are in that minority? IMHO, most people 
will stop and leave as soon as they encounter a link that doesn't work...

Oh, and IE/Win isn't being developed as a standalone any more either. 
Does that make it a dead duck, too?

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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 06:59  PM, Neerav wrote:
- IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck
- while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in 
Safari 1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all

- according to the sites traffic logs, the vast majority of visitors 
use IE or a new version of Mozilla/Firefox so they will experience the 
benefits, for people who use older browser versions, or browsers that 
makeup a small % of visitors, the sitemap provides full functionality. 
I am not locking anyone out.

So for this client who specifically wants a GUI style multi-level 
menu, I am giving them the best possible one I could find providing 
the "Greatest Good for the Greatest Number"

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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Rick Faaberg

On 6/6/04 3:39 AM "Mordechai Peller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

> Ruby

What is Ruby?

TIA

Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Mordechai Peller

Without question, the best editor out there (at least until the next 
version come out--which should be soon) is TopStyle 3.10. Full support 
for XHTML 1.1 (a default template is missing, but can be added in under 
a minute), CSS-2, and Ruby. It has code highlighting for several 
scripting languages. The best support out there: Nick himself, the 
CEO/Programmer, answers questions and responds to feature requests.

Sometimes (but less and less) I'll fire up HomeSite 4.5.2 (didn't like 
5). And on a rare occasion, Notepad.

For testing I'll use Firefox with several extensions added. I'll also 
use the Accessibility Tool Bar in IE6. Other than for one site, testing 
is the only reason I see for using IE.
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster


- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions


> I have a 400MHz iMac you can have for $300 - that's less than a 
> software upgrade. I'll even load all the browsers on it for you.
> 
> Damn. No self contol. Sorry. I'm off for a Bex and a good lie down.
> 
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> On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 07:18  PM, Bert Doorn wrote:
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> > I believe this is heading off-topic, but in a nutshell...  Wasting 
> > money for
> > me is to buy a system I won't use.
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Rick Faaberg

On 6/6/04 2:42 AM "Nick Gleitzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

> Damn. No self contol. Sorry. I'm off for a Bex and a good lie down.

When in doubt, delete them.

I do.

Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

I have a 400MHz iMac you can have for $300 - that's less than a 
software upgrade. I'll even load all the browsers on it for you.

Damn. No self contol. Sorry. I'm off for a Bex and a good lie down.
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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 07:18  PM, Bert Doorn wrote:
I believe this is heading off-topic, but in a nutshell...  Wasting 
money for
me is to buy a system I won't use.
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Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

Neerav, can I suggest you activate the 'top level' links in your menu 
so they actually go somewhere - even if it is to the sitemap - rather 
appearing broken to visitors who are in that minority? IMHO, most 
people will stop and leave as soon as they encounter a link that 
doesn't work...

Oh, and IE/Win isn't being developed as a standalone any more either. 
Does that make it a dead duck, too?

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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 06:59  PM, Neerav wrote:
- IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck
- while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in 
Safari 1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all

- according to the sites traffic logs, the vast majority of visitors 
use IE or a new version of Mozilla/Firefox so they will experience the 
benefits, for people who use older browser versions, or browsers that 
makeup a small % of visitors, the sitemap provides full functionality. 
I am not locking anyone out.

So for this client who specifically wants a GUI style multi-level 
menu, I am giving them the best possible one I could find providing 
the "Greatest Good for the Greatest Number"
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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Michaël Willemot

I'm looking for something similar, wondering what a good html syntax could  
be for this.
i need a title, image and a description:

<-- Title   Title2  Title3-->
<-- [img] descrip   [img] descr [img] another -->
<-- tion of thislong  -->
<-- image   description   -->
<--   -->
<-- Title4  Title5  Title6-->
<-- [img] descrip   [img] descr [img] another -->
<-- tion of thislong  -->
<-- image   description   -->
<--   -->
<-- Title7-->
<-- [img] descrip -->
<-- tion of this  -->
<-- image -->
greetz
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RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Bert Doorn

Hugh

> Don't know what constitutes 'wasting money' for you, 

I believe this is heading off-topic, but in a nutshell...  Wasting money for
me is to buy a system I won't use.

> The most compliant browsers, including the default one, are found on 
> the Mac. As this list has so often said, develop first for standards, 
> and then figure out what needs to be done to the code to address IE 
> shortcomings.

And is is also said..  The VAST majority of people out there are using a
Windows based PC with MSIE5.5 or 6.  

Heck, I might as well buy a mainframe running Unix while I'm at it because
some people use it?

It's a matter of ecomomics.

> Just my 2c.

And mine

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Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Wow. I (and no doubt every other Mac user in the world) will be shocked 
and deeply perturbed to discover that we've wasted our money. I wonder 
if Apple give refunds?

Let me suggest that the direction this thread is taking should stop 
right here - it's gonna get off-topic (ie Mac v PC) really fast.

I think most people will agree that a real web dev environment includes 
the ability to test across paltforms and browsers. 'Nuff said?

Ah, but I can't resist this: I have 3 Windows 'boxes' (WIn2K/IE5.5, 
Win2K/IE6 and WinXP/IE6) running on my Mac. Can your PC do that?

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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 02:49  PM, Bert Doorn wrote:
I don't know how my site looks on a Mac (I don't have one and am not 
going
to waste my money on one), but it's to be expected.
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Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

2004-06-06 Thread Neerav

Hugh
Any choice has its +'s and -'s, as they say  "What you lose on the 
swings, you gain on the roundabouts".

In this case:
Swings
* I lose the wide cross browser functionality of AJMenu 
http://navsurf.com/menus/browsers.asp
* In a few older browser versions, or browsers that arent very popular 
the suckerfish menu wont display well/at all.

Roundabouts
* Page size is reduced by 30 kilobytes
* It is much, much easier for me to handle the rollout of new language 
versions of the site because the menu is just lists of text,
* Search engines can now follow and index the menu links
* Page render times are noticably faster now there's hardly any jscript used

- IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck
- while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in Safari 
1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all

- according to the sites traffic logs, the vast majority of visitors use 
IE or a new version of Mozilla/Firefox so they will experience the 
benefits, for people who use older browser versions, or browsers that 
makeup a small % of visitors, the sitemap provides full functionality. I 
am not locking anyone out.

So for this client who specifically wants a GUI style multi-level menu, 
I am giving them the best possible one I could find providing the 
"Greatest Good for the Greatest Number"

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Mobile: +61 403 8000 27
Hugh Todd wrote:
Neerav,
Doesn't look good in Safari 1.0, Neerav. (Submenus appear at the top of 
the viewport.) Fine in Safari 1.2. No submenus in IE 5.2.3 Mac.

Is this acceptable to your client?
-Hugh Todd
Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation at 
http://www.rci.com.au

What a difference it makes! Implementing Son of Suckerfish cut 30kb 
off the page size by removing the old DHTML menu, and reduced page 
load and render times dramatically

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Re: [WSG] Which editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-06 Thread afdesign

Recently Paul Scrivens (Whitespace) conducted a "Non-scientific poll on 
HTML/CSS Editors" which attracted over 120 responses and so probably 
constitutes one of the more compresnhensive discussions on this topic:
http://www.9rules.com/whitespace/our_thoughts/nonscientific_poll_htmlcss_editors.php

Steve Pilgrim of Rodent Regatta then posted a list of links to all the 
Editors mentioned in Scriv's poll and also ranked them based on the 
number of times they were mentioned in the comments:
http://www.rodentregatta.com/archives/005771.php#005771

cheers
dez
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RE: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

John,

Without a doubt, TopStyle Pro 3.1 is the best around
http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/index.asp. A bold statement but I've used a
few and have settled on Nick's Delphi-written combined editor for about 15
months. It's a delight to use and extremely flexible, configuration-wise.

Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer (without shares in TopStyle)
www.seowebsitepromotion.com
www.gawds.org


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> What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and
testing?


Notepad :)

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RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Bert,

That's what I came up with but they remain uncentred within the container.

Would you care to apply your expertise to something like --

... a standard structure, a list (ul, li ...) which holds images and
associated captions centred in a fluid container.

e.g. -

<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<--   [img] [img] [img]   ->

(I know I've posted this twice before but it seems that people are missing
the point, the nub of the requirement: centred within a container.)

Mike Pepper
(optimistic) Accessible Web Developer
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G'day

Sorry, I emailed direct rather than to the list.

Here it is:

I stay away from using NESTED tables

I try to use DIVS only (and it's fine in simple layouts)

I use a maximum of one table per page, if it makes life
easier, such as where there is a complex layout, or where I
have something that, with some imagination, could qualify as
"tabular data".

Having said all that, if you can control the height of the
captions, you could use divs or ps with a fixed height.
Have a look at the portfolio page on my site (url in
signature) for an example.

I use paragraphs here, but you could use divs, an unordered
list,   or whatever :-)  The beauty (to me) of this set up is
that at different resolutoins you get a different number of
thumbs across.  For instance, at 800x600 I see 5 across, at
1024x768 there's 7 and at 1280x1024 I get as many as 9 across.

P.S. I know this site isn't perfect.  Am working on it.

Regards
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RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

Been there, Nick --

I am looking for a standard structure, a list (ul, li ...) which holds
images and associated captions centred in a fluid container.

e.g. -

<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<-- [img] [img] [img] [img] [img] ... ->
<--   [img] [img] [img]   ->

That's what we need, eh :o)

Mike

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I'm with Mike - that's brilliant. It'll certainly fix my immediate
needs. Thanks, Kristof!

One question: what's this hack for?

* html #images a {
 height: 100px;
 he\ight: 95px;
}

OK, I lied. Second question: your solution is very usable; I class this
as 'elegant' because all the img/caption pairs are contained in one
(open-ended) list. Just what I was after. But just out of interest, do
you think it's possible to go one step further, and style the list so
that the number of images in a row varies as window is resized - still
keeping the 'grid' centred - for a truly liquid layout?

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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 04:02  AM, Kristof Neirynck wrote:

> Nick Gleitzman wrote:
>> I've been trying to emulate, with CSS alone, what I've been doing for
>>  years with tables: create a grid of thumbnails, each with a caption
>> below, both image and caption linked to an enlargement. We all know
>> how  easy that is; center the table, center the cell content
>> vertically, add  some cell padding. Bingo.
>> Any takers?
> [snip]
>
> Do you mean something like this?
> 
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