RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Jason Turnbull]

> Seona Bellamy wrote:
> Hmm... Thanks, that did seem to make a difference. At any rate, the
images
> are showing up. 
> But instead of tiling nicely across the page, they're showing one to
> a line and spreading over the whole width of the panel. I've had a
look,
> and I'm not sure how to fix that. (It still works fine in Moz)

In your nav_main.css you have

HTML UL LI {
FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 1%
}
HTML UL LI A {
HEIGHT: 1%
}

Add the #navbar selector in front of these styles, as you have done with
the others in this css file

Using height:1% is usually a workaround for IE bugs so you might want to
hide them from other browsers

Regards
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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Seona Bellamy]

Hmm... Thanks, that did seem to make a difference. At any rate, the images are
showing up. But instead of tiling nicely across the page, they're showing one to
a line and spreading over the whole width of the panel. I've had a look, and I'm
not sure how to fix that. (It still works fine in Moz)

The styles for the tabs are in the sheet nav_tabs.css if you want to take a look.

Thanks,

Seona.

Quoting Jason Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > Bellamy wrote:
> >
> http://216.119.123.23/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalogue.ListProducts&ID=2&c
> at
> > egory=Subcategory
> > 
> > Have a look, tell me what you see. If you can see them fine, then I
> think
> > I might just go quietly insane... ;)
> 
> There was definitely a problem in IE6 the whole navigation was invisible
> here, removing the position:relative from the #mainPanel style (in
> sample.css) brought the menu back into view
> 
> Regards
> Jason
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Re: [WSG] Re:

[t94xr.net.nz webmaster]

Yes i agree highly - im glad you brought tho my 
attention.
 
We should discuss this to the highest level of WSG 
discussion.
 
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Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Jackie Reid]

Wonderful...thanks to you all... :o)

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> Hi all
>
> Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or
> not...
>
> Vent Door
> Systems
>
> Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a
> difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i
go
> through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been inserted
> into my code in my absence.
>
> Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant
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RE: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Bert Doorn]

G'day

>  Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have
>  a difference of opinion in the office...

Even if it was written as VDS, it would be an abbr(eviation): VDS

A couple of other points to consider:

1. Is the use of h5 appropriate here within the document structure, or are
you only using it to format the text?
2. Most browsers can now use id for internal anchors, so the 
might be unnecessary.

If you're not linking to the anchor, and it's not a heading for a section,
I'd just write:

Vent Door Systems

If h5 is the appropriate heading level and you do want to link to it
internally, I would write it like this:

Vent Door Systems

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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Jason Turnbull]

> Bellamy wrote:
>
http://216.119.123.23/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalogue.ListProducts&ID=2&c
at
> egory=Subcategory
> 
> Have a look, tell me what you see. If you can see them fine, then I
think
> I might just go quietly insane... ;)

There was definitely a problem in IE6 the whole navigation was invisible
here, removing the position:relative from the #mainPanel style (in
sample.css) brought the menu back into view

Regards
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Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Steven . Faulkner]

Shortened forms on the Web - Abbreviations, Contractions, Acronyms,
Initialisms, Symbols and other things.
http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/ozewai2003/short_forms.htm




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Hi all

Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or
not...

Vent Door
Systems

Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a
difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i go
through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been inserted
into my code in my absence.

Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant find
anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone pointing me to a
resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles etc

Thanks heaps
Jackie Reid




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Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Neerav]

These should help
http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/abbr.html
http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/28.php
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/phrase/abbr.html
The first link should be the most helpful for your problem
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Jackie Reid wrote:
Hi all
 
Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or not...
 
Vent 
Door Systems
 
Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a 
difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i 
go through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been 
inserted into my code in my absence.
 
Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant 
find anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone pointing me 
to a resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles etc
 
Thanks heaps
Jackie Reid
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Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Jeffery Lowder]

Hi Jackie
If it was this: VDS, then I'd say it's fine - as it is an acronym and needs to be marked up as one.
But it isn't so there really is no need for the acronym element

Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st

On 21/07/2004, at 3:36 PM, Jackie Reid wrote:

Hi all
 
Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or not...
 
Vent Door Systems
 
Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i go through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been inserted into my code in my absence.
 
Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant find anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone pointing me to a resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles etc
 
Thanks heaps
Jackie Reid

Cheers

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Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi Jackie,

To the best of my knowledge, you would only use Acronym if the visible text read
VDS - the user can only see the acronym, so the  tag allows them to
mouse-over it and see what it stands for in case they aren't familiar with it.

If you are displaying the full name, then I think you are correct in saying that
the  tag is unnecessary.

Cheers,

Seona.

Quoting Jackie Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all
> 
> Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or
> not...
> 
> Vent Door
> Systems
> 
> Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a
> difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i go
> through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been inserted
> into my code in my absence.
> 
> Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant find
> anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone pointing me to a
> resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles etc
> 
> Thanks heaps
> Jackie Reid



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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Seona Bellamy]

You're kidding?? Well, here's an example:

http://216.119.123.23/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalogue.ListProducts&ID=2&category=Subcategory

There should be two or three rows of tabs (unless you're running at some
ridiculously small resolution), but in IE all I see is a big space where they
should be. I know they are there however since the links do change colour when I
 mouse over them. There's just no images, and so the white text blends into the
white background.

Have a look, tell me what you see. If you can see them fine, then I think I
might just go quietly insane... ;)

Cheers,

Seona.

Quoting Jason Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Seona, Are you able to provide a link to the page, as images display ok
> in IE6, with the code you provided.
> 
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[WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

[Jackie Reid]

Hi all
 
Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or not...
 
Vent 
Door Systems
 
Looks distinctly like a case of totally 
unnecessary to me but we have a difference of opinion in the office...so 
thought i should check before i go through and start removing all the offending 
stuff that has been inserted into my code in my absence.
 
Have looked online to find out when and how to use 
titles etc but cant find anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone 
pointing me to a resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles 
etc
 
Thanks heaps
Jackie Reid

RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Jason Turnbull]

Seona, Are you able to provide a link to the page, as images display ok
in IE6, with the code you provided.

Regards
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RE: [WSG] Question on tabindex

[Derek Featherstone]

>  Now, what is the best order of the tabindex? Starting with the main
>  nav and ending with the footer links seems obvious, but should the
>  order in between be: content, right column or right column and 
> content? 

Hi Luc -- I'd suggest you might want to just forego the tabindex completely.
You've already got quite a reasonable logical flow within that test page
anyway -- one that pretty much anyone could use, based on the order of your
source code.

Tabindex can actually cause some problems, so we generally just recommend
leaving it out. See http://www.wats.ca/articles/keyboardusageandtabindex/62
for a few more details and some test results...

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[WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi guys,

Well, I got the tabs behaving nicely in Mozilla and decided it was time to have
a quick peek at them in IE. Ack! The background images that make the links into
tabs have completely vanished in IE6/Win and I can't make them come back.

I've used the Sliding Doors method from ALA, which gives me some CSS like this:

#sections {
float: left;
width: 100%;
font-size: 93%;
line-height: normal;
}

#sections ul {
margin: 0;
padding:10px 10px 0;
list-style-type: none;
}

#sections li {
float: left;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background: URL("../_images/tab_right_off.gif") no-repeat right top;
}

#sections a {
display: block;
background: URL("../_images/tab_left_off.gif") no-repeat left top;
padding: 5px 15px;
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: none;
color: #66;
}


This applies to some code as such:




  Section 1
  Section 2
  Section 3
  Section 4





Why won't my images show up in IE? I've gone through the archives, since I
vaguely remembered seeing something about this a while ago, but I couldn't find
anything by searching on "image" or on "background".

Thanks to anyone who can resurrect my images...

Cheers,

Seona.
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Re: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

[Gary Menzel]

In addition to all of the other tutorial suggestions provided, you
should also look at the tutorials that Russ Weakley (one of our
fearless WSG leaders) has on his site

http://css.maxdesign.com.au/index.htm

I have learnt a huge amount from these pages.

Regards,
Gary Menzel


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> Hi,
> I've been trying to do a left hand navigation menu in CSS and have been
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> instead of below the menu.
> Can anyone share some tips or tutorials that can help me complete this task.
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[WSG] Question on tabindex

[Luc]

 Hello list,

 I'm redoing my site and have following lay-out:
 two columns, footer inside main column, content inside main column.
 The second (right) column is used to provide additional links to
 various stuff. The main horizontal nav is on top of the columns.
 Now, what is the best order of the tabindex? Starting with the main
 nav and ending with the footer links seems obvious, but should the
 order in between be: content, right column or right column and
 content?

 To visualize it:

 http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/NewDzine/newdzine.php
 
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RE: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

[Luke Moulton]

Neen said:

> Hi,
> I've been trying to do a left hand navigation menu in CSS and 
> have been having trouble getting the main content area to 
> align next to the menu instead of below the menu. Can anyone 
> share some tips or tutorials that can help me complete this task.


Hi Neen,

This might help:
http://intensivstation.ch/css/templates/temp02.html

Cheers,
Luke Moulton 

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[WSG] The best way to make a tabbed menu with a dynamic number of items?

[Seona Bellamy]

Hi guys,

I'm wanting to make a tabbed menu like the one suggested in ALA's Sliding
Doors I & II. All well and good, but the menu will be dynamically generated
and won't have a fixed number of items - from page to page it will differ.
There could be as few as four or as many as 12. Therefore, I need a way to
make sure that if there's more than will fit across the page, it will start
a new line of tabs which will nestle in under the old ones. I'm trying to
think of an example of what I'm trying to achieve, but the only one I knew
of (amazon.com) has changed their layout and doesn't do the multiple rows of
tabs anymore. *sigh*

So if anyone has any idea what I'm trying to achieve, can they suggest a way
that I can code for it? Are left-floated divs the way to go? Would it be
better to use some other method? I can't think of one.

Cheers,

Seona.

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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

[Sarah Sammis]

> If there were a california meeting, my vote goes for L.A.
> Sacramento, is well, Sacramento.  Not exactly my idea of a place to visit
> and spend an extra day.  San Francisco is great, but expensive. L.A. is
> more central, has plenty of room, and can be affordable.  Of course, if my
> job covered the trip I wouldn't mind a trip to SF.
>
> I'm in San Diego, which is a great place for a meeting, but too far for
> our SF and Sacramento(sorry about the above slight) members. L.A. or San
> Diego might also be better for our Arizona and Nevada people.
>
> Ted
>

Near S.F. can be affordable. The price ranges are the same as in L.A. Plus
the public transit is better in S.F. than L.A. which might be easier for
out of town visitors.
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Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:10:52 +1000, Lachlan Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So if, as someone suggested (Peter again?), everyone were to put the
> closest major city they are willing to attend a meeting at, those
> numbers might increase a bit

Good idea. I've changed my location from Castro Valley to San
Francisco. Maybe other Californians would do the same?
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RE: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

[Trusz, Andrew]

-Original Message-
From: neen
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

Hi,
I've been trying to do a left hand navigation menu in CSS and have been
having trouble getting the main content area to align next to the menu
instead of below the menu.
Can anyone share some tips or tutorials that can help me complete this task.

thanks

neen

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If you are trying for a 2 column effect, float the navigation and the main
content left (you can do it right but then be sure to reverse the order). 

If you want the main content to flow around the navigation, float the
navigation left or right inside and at the beginning of the containing
element of the main content.

Tutorials at:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/float-theory.html

drew
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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

[Nancy Johnson]

In Northeastern US, the states are geographically very small, so a New
England Chapter which encompasses about 6 states, or even a New York,
New England chapter 7 states may work. 

Is there anyway to organize your graph by region?

Nancy Johnson

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Sean Corfield wrote:

  > Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information
> available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for
> regional US meetings?

Well, I wouldn't dare speak for Peter, but the member location list he 
indicated previously in this discussion - 
http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_view.cfm? - is ordered from 
right to left. Therefore everyone is grouped according to country, then 
state, and then city

For example, there are around 30 members in California - 4 listed in San

Diego, 3 in LA, 3 in Sacramento, 3 in San Francisco and various others. 
So if, as someone suggested (Peter again?), everyone were to put the 
closest major city they are willing to attend a meeting at, those 
numbers might increase a bit

Cheers,
Lachlan

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Re: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Two ways that spring to mind: float the menu to the left and leave enough
padding on the content's left side to compensate (although this may be flaky
in
certain situations), or use absolute positioning to put both the menu and
the content
on the page...
Effectively, it's a simple 2 column layout.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:50 PM
Subject: [WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS


> Hi,
> I've been trying to do a left hand navigation menu in CSS and have been
> having trouble getting the main content area to align next to the menu
> instead of below the menu.
> Can anyone share some tips or tutorials that can help me complete this
task.
>
> thanks
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[WSG] how do I add a navigation type menu in CSS

[neen]

Hi,
I've been trying to do a left hand navigation menu in CSS and have been
having trouble getting the main content area to align next to the menu
instead of below the menu.
Can anyone share some tips or tutorials that can help me complete this task.

thanks

neen

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RE: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?

[Mike Foskett]

Thanks.

I thought it was the case until I received a report telling me my homepage was 115KB.
Another case of auto-generated reports getting it wrong.

Panic over.

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RE: [WSG] Underlining tabbed to links

[Mike Foskett]

Hi all,

This is how I achieve the effect but using a different method:

a   {color:#009; text-decoration:none; border-bottom:1px dotted 
#ccf; padding-bottom:1px}
a:link  {color:#009; border-bottom:1px solid #ccf}
a:visited   {color:#606; border-bottom:1px dotted #fcf}
a:active{color:#f00; border-bottom:1px dashed #f00}
a:focus {color:#f00; border-bottom:1px dashed #f00}
a:hover {color:#96f; border-bottom:1px solid #96f}
acronym {cursor:help; border-bottom:1px solid #090}

If you wish to see it in action:
http://www.websemantics.co.uk/accessibility.html

It's a different method to text-decoration with distinct advantages.
1. Does not use colour alone to convey meaning. Underlines are dotted, dashed 
and solid.
2. Highlighted focus.
3. Body text link clarity. Keeping underlines but improving the spacing 
between text and underline.
4. Distinctive acronyms.


Any comments?



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Re: [WSG] Blue Moon -- Need help on IE5 Mac Floating

[Cameron Adams]

Thank you both Hugh and Philippe. In the
MacIE5-specific CSS I can just set it to "clear: none"
and it works fine.

Thanks!
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--- Hugh Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cameron,
> 
> Your problem is the "clear" you are using for
> #content1. Mac IE 5 
> wrongly clears floats inside clearing block
> elements, and you can't fix 
> it with "clear:none;".



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Re: [WSG] Blue Moon -- Need help on IE5 Mac Floating

[Cameron Adams]

But #content is the parent of the two floated
elements, and "clear" rules aren't inherited, so it
doesn't affect what's nested.

Or is this just a MacIE5 bug?

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--- Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Jul 20, 2004, at 4:32 pm, Cameron Adams wrote:
> 
> > This page:
> >
> >
> http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/project.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > works fine in everything (Win IE 5+, FF, Opera,
> > Safari) EXCEPT Mac IE 5.
> >
> > It has a problem with 2 floats: the major float of
> the
> > sidebar, and also the float of the image in the
> main
> > content. It seems to clear them, though there's no
> > such rule.
> >
> > The file containing the structural layout is:
> >
> >
>
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/main.css
> >
> >
> >
> > But I'm serving up different styles for Mac IE
> using:
> >
> >
>
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/macIE5.css
> 
> 
> 
> You declare on div#content {clear:both}
> This breaks the floated thing inside #content.
> 
> One solution is to insert a clearing div just before
> div#content
> 
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Re: [WSG] Blue Moon -- Need help on IE5 Mac Floating

[Hugh Todd]

Cameron,
Your problem is the "clear" you are using for #content1. Mac IE 5 
wrongly clears floats inside clearing block elements, and you can't fix 
it with "clear:none;".

The easy way to solve it (and to avoid any problems you may encounter 
by not deploying the float under your navigation bar) is to add a 
standalone clearer to your HTML. It may need to be a full div. Not 
ideal, but it does the trick. (I see you have done something similar 
anyway, further down in your HTML.)

BTW, I didn't investigate the interplay of the main.css vs the ie5.css, 
but I had to remove the clearer for #content1 in both stylesheets for 
this to work for me.

For more info, see 
http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatclearbug , as well as the 
entry it links to from Philippe Wittenbergh.

-Hugh Todd
This page:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/project.htm

works fine in everything (Win IE 5+, FF, Opera,
Safari) EXCEPT Mac IE 5.
It has a problem with 2 floats: the major float of the
sidebar, and also the float of the image in the main
content. It seems to clear them, though there's no
such rule.
The file containing the structural layout is:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/main.css

But I'm serving up different styles for Mac IE using:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/macIE5.css
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Re: [WSG] Anyone Developing Under Plone/Zope?

[Tonico Strasser]

Randall Smith wrote:
... I'm wondering if there are any list members out
there that are within a reasonable proximity to the Sydney/Metro area 
and have strong skills in the plone/zope environment that I might be 
able to discuss these issues with in more detail. 
You may find more Australian Zope/Plone people at .
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[WSG] Anyone Developing Under Plone/Zope?

[Randall Smith]

Hi All 

Apologies if 
this is a little O/T, but from observing the depth of 
experience, enthusiasm and expertise that one has access to through 
this list, I thought that if I'm going to get an answer to this 
question then this will be the place. 
 
As part of 
an on-going plan to move all it's web content to standards compliant content, 
Gosford City is very interested in moving it's web content 
management away from the current M$ system 
to Plone. 
 
Of course we 
can't really contemplate this kind of move without being satisfied that we 
can secure adequate support for training and on-going template 
development and I'm wondering if there are any list members out there 
that are within a reasonable proximity to the Sydney/Metro area and have 
strong skills in the plone/zope environment that I might be able to discuss 
these issues with in more detail. 
 
If 
anyone is interested, I'd be most grateful if you would contact me off-list 
at the details below. 
 
Thanks   
 
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Smith
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Gosford City Council 

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Re: [WSG] Blue Moon -- Need help on IE5 Mac Floating

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Jul 20, 2004, at 4:32 pm, Cameron Adams wrote:
This page:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/project.htm

works fine in everything (Win IE 5+, FF, Opera,
Safari) EXCEPT Mac IE 5.
It has a problem with 2 floats: the major float of the
sidebar, and also the float of the image in the main
content. It seems to clear them, though there's no
such rule.
The file containing the structural layout is:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/main.css

But I'm serving up different styles for Mac IE using:
http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/macIE5.css

You declare on div#content {clear:both}
This breaks the floated thing inside #content.
One solution is to insert a clearing div just before div#content
Philippe
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[WSG] Blue Moon -- Need help on IE5 Mac Floating

[Cameron Adams]

Hi All,

I wouldn't ask unless I'd pulled my (rather short)
hair out already.

This page:

http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/project.htm



works fine in everything (Win IE 5+, FF, Opera,
Safari) EXCEPT Mac IE 5.

It has a problem with 2 floats: the major float of the
sidebar, and also the float of the image in the main
content. It seems to clear them, though there's no
such rule.

The file containing the structural layout is:

http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/main.css



But I'm serving up different styles for Mac IE using:

http://www.webpublishing.com.au/dev/dsto/css/macIE5.css



Even though I'm using the negative margin technique,
the same behaviour occurs when I change the HTML to
have the sidebar content before the main content, and
only float the sidebar. Any help is much appreciated!

Regards,
--
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