Re: [WSG] WSG Melbourne: Quick Poll
How about monthly? Its very easy to remember. eg: first Mon of each month. woric - Original Message - From: "afdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [WSG] WSG Melbourne: Quick Poll > Hey there all Melbourne members of this list. > > At the last meeting of the Melbourne WSG, it was suggested that we meet > more frequently. > > Currently we are meeting every 8 weeks. > > The alternatives are: > > 1. Meet every 4 weeks > 2. Meet every 6 weeks > > If you have a strong feeling either way, please send your thoughts to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Of course feel free to use this opportunity to give us any other > feedback/suggestions (such as future speakers, how we run meetings, our > fashion sense etc.) > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS LIST > > You have till Monday 5pm, to have your say. > > cheers > dez > Melbourne WSG Co-Organiser > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite
Chris Stratford wrote: So originally my method worked fine! just have the header point to: "styles/sheet.css" Use "/styles/sheet.css". It points to the same location from everywhere in your site. /AndersN * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] [OT] Internet Explorer Weblog
There is an ounce of hope that IE might listen to what the world is waiting for. Let the IE developers know that we would love to see an upgraded IE browser with better web standards support. IEBlog - the Microsoft Internet Explorer Weblog: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/ Cheers, Krassy = Krassy Lyakov web: http://www.krassy.com/ blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
I would then recommend you go beyond XHTML Basic and focus upon the variants available. After that I would recommend you focus upon Ruby and Earl. I hope this helps. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite
Hmmm. Sorry forgot to mention one crucial detail... I import a HEADER.PHP file. for every PHP page loaded. Every php file is actually in the base directory with the CSS file in a folder called STYLES. So originally my method worked fine! just have the header point to: "styles/sheet.css" but now. since the folders are all "fake" but appear real to the browser. Unless I hardcode the path to the stylesheet... ahhh one thing i could do... set up a mod_rewrite to repoint the stylesheet :) HA! see how great it is :) although hardcoding the URL is fine with me, although I have heard thats not a good idea :S Lee Roberts wrote: Chris, Put your CSS file in a real directory. Then do the following: ../styles/site-styles.css That is what I use. Of course the directories and filenames are different, but you get the idea. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
So, what are your skillsets? With this information I can tell you where I would move you if you were in my employ. Right now CSS/JS/PHP/Flash and pretty much any image editor. I still love design, whether it's print,web or interactive, but i also like the flavours that CSS/DOM/XML can bring to the table. So i very much so headed in the direction of learning more about DOM scripting and XML..along the way reading adn learning more about accessiabilty and CSS3. Cheers Steven _ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite
Chris, Put your CSS file in a real directory. Then do the following: ../styles/site-styles.css That is what I use. Of course the directories and filenames are different, but you get the idea. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com
Re: [WSG] After CSS?
Andy Budd Said: As Jeremy Keith says, "The DOM is the new CSS" so my advice would be to look to the DOM as your next adventure in web standards. I've been quite active in learning W3C DOM, i find PPk's articles invaulable, very straight forward even for the beginner scripter to learn the code. And i can see the great potential with DOM that i wont stay a beginner for long. I also take into the count about previous comments, about accessibility to the disabled, i feel that all should enjoy the web// and I'm pretty much going to build my professional career on that ideal. Thanks for all those who replide, i was somewhat shy about posting the thread, mainly i thought i was going to get alot of " you'll never be a fluent CSS designer" but you guys have sure chucked that notion out the window. Thanks again guys Steven _ ½ Price FOXTEL Digital Installation On-Line Limited Offer: http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=225&referral=Hotmail_tagline_July04&URL=http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;9412514;9681905;p?http://www.foxtel.com.au/2231.htm * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
Accessibility is a great place to start as previously pointed out. However, there are many other standards you could start learning. I don't know which skillsets you have so far and I don't think anyone asked. So, what are your skillsets? With this information I can tell you where I would move you if you were in my employ. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/ratesFAQ.html perhaps this will be useful, maybe not. But the discussion has been found inappropriate for the list. I apologize for continuing it, but just wanted to share a link I had on the topic. ByteDreams From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ailingwebss Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:33 PM To: webstandardsgroup Subject: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design . Hey, all : Just like every one in our group, I am one of Graphic web designer, work in freelance. I have one problem need to ask the help : About the Price standard for our website design . Like we know everybody, Design one website from begin and end, took us so much time, and idea. because one progetto like website, it is not only to know how use the Dreamwear, o CSS o _javascript_ .. There have more about the Creativity, so always took us so much think and time. So for the price it make me one big stress. I don't know which way can make balance between us and client. Pls if somebody can help me to make easy with my work.Thanks so much ! Best regards Ai Ling Ai Ling CAI Grafica arte & Web Design .personal website: www.lingart.com .news - web design gallery. ( 2004 ) 1. www.patt.tn.it 2. www.cemiat.com 3. www.ottomani.it (prossimamente) 4. www.aic.trentino.it/index.htm .personal email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .works email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] | arte nella vita' - Original Message - From: Geoff Deering To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] WAI: successful Australian (or global) examples I have, but they have been when working for companies, and often only a section of a large site. Here's a few people who do actually work in this area, tendering for and delivering WAI sites for Government. Try contacting them directly. I'm sure they would be willing to help. Sandra Vassallo tel: (02) 9810 2216 mob: 0414 765 881 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-bility web: http://www.e-bility.com Inclusive IT: http://www.inclusiveit.com.au/ Gian Sampson-Wild http://www.purpletop.com.au/ Also Andrew Arch and Brian Hardy from (contact details at the bottom of the second link) http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/webaccessibility/workshops/ -Original Message- From: Ben Webster Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] WAI: successful Australian (or global) examples Hey there crew, I'm putting in a tender for some government work and one of the requirements is some successful WAI sites that I've been involved in. I've actually not been involved in a single one and I think this requirement is a little stringent. Has anyone out there been involved in a successful example? It doesn't have to be Australian even... I just need some examples (or lack of) so I can point out to them that the requirement is a little harsh. A bientot, Benvolio Ben Webster -- Conversant Studios [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.conversantstudios.com.au
[WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite
Hey WSG, I have recently been playing with mod_rewrite, and I LOVE IT! It is great, and I have read that it helps a lot with SEO, Bookmarking and even Web Accessability. (Email clients often strip query data etc...) What are your tips and pointers for using mod_rewrite. Some problems I have had, hopefully you have too and can help me out - are: * I have given sections of my website "fake" folder names, this effects the location of the stylesheet according to the browser... So I have had to hard code the address of the stylesheet...? Anyone else had that? Thats pretty much the main issue, Its hard to code a PHP workaround, because the PHP script doesnt know about the mod-rewrite... :S is hardcoding the only answer? thanks people! You can see the mod_rewrite used on my blogs & also in the images.neester.com image system :) cheers! - CHRIS STRATFORD - http://www.neester.com http://images.neester.com
Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc
Patrick Lauke wrote: [C]onsidering that HTML itself has such a kludgey, ambiguous and incomplete set of tags anyway...[e]very acronym could also be marked up as an abbreviation, without losing too much semantic weight... True, and because... IE's lack of real support for abbr is a problem in this case, I would add the reverse is also true. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] After CSS?
sinz wrote: Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to start somewhere. But what now? How can you prepare for the next specification, new attributes and selectors, is there a test suite for CSS3?. Im a graphic designer, who's passion for web development introduced me to one of the strongest client side languages available to any developer, now that im at a point of "speaking fluent CSS" what do i tackle next, what new CSS3 flavours can i focus on for the next wave of innovation? Well you can find a lot of the working drafts for CSS3 here http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work Although considering how quickly (or slowly) these things take to get finished and implemented, I doubt you'll be writing CSS3 pages until you're into your late 20's. As Jeremy Keith says, "The DOM is the new CSS" so my advice would be to look to the DOM as your next adventure in web standards. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
Sorry, Pat ... how about: Get stuck into accessibility. It's cool :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: 23 July 2004 14:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] After CSS? Mike, nicely worded, if a bit convoluted. May I suggest WCAG checkpoint 14.1 ;) > -Original Message- > From: Mike Pepper > Sent: 23 July 2004 13:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [WSG] After CSS? > > > Accessibility. Extend your skillsets with an understanding of > the challenges > faced by impaired users, whether physically or cerebrally > impaired. The > practical upshot of such consideration for fellow users is the market > expansion afforded yourself and clients as you penetrate and > take hold of > these markets. > > Mike Pepper > Accessible Web Developer > www.seowebsitepromotion.com > > GAWDS Administrator > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.gawds.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] After CSS?
7 sinz wrote: Im an 19 yer old desinger, with a particular interest in web design. For the last 8 motnhs i've been huddled up in my workspace practising my art learning the ins and out of CSS and pretty much learning the language to a T. Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to start somewhere. But what now? CSS is a great tool (an would be even better when supported properly), but by itself is meaningless. The real meat and potatoes of the Web is content. Therefor, understanding how to properly and semantically mark up a page is also very important. As most sites aren't just one page, having an understanding of Information Architecture, or how to properly organize information, is very important. And as a complement, understanding usability theory and the accessibility guidelines is a must. Since the Web is an interactive media, learning PHP and JavaScript are also important. Understanding programming theory in general, and the theories behind these two languages would be very useful. On a practical level, I wouldn't worry too much about getting deep into JavaScript. While I find it an interesting language from a Computer Science perspective, in real world situation I find I only use it lightly. An understanding of Apache is good, but here too a deep understanding is usually not needed. I agree with t94xr that Topstyle is an excellent choice for CSS editing, but it's also very good for XHTML. The upcoming version 4 (afaik, still in the early stages) should be even better. I also use Topstyle for PHP, although here's not where it shines. I find it's good enough to justify not using a separate editor. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
Mike, nicely worded, if a bit convoluted. May I suggest WCAG checkpoint 14.1 ;) > -Original Message- > From: Mike Pepper > Sent: 23 July 2004 13:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [WSG] After CSS? > > > Accessibility. Extend your skillsets with an understanding of > the challenges > faced by impaired users, whether physically or cerebrally > impaired. The > practical upshot of such consideration for fellow users is the market > expansion afforded yourself and clients as you penetrate and > take hold of > these markets. > > Mike Pepper > Accessible Web Developer > www.seowebsitepromotion.com > > GAWDS Administrator > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.gawds.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] After CSS?
Well done. Sadly there are alot of webdesigners unlike you who are still in the Photoshop phase and dont seem to be leaving it anytime soon. I would say if you know all that, learn how to setup a domain, and get yourself up. Then you can play at ur hearts content. If you love CSS - use Topstyle - it enters you into another kind of phase. Dreamweaver MX 2004 for your XHTML coding and PHP coding. Localhost (convert your computer into a makeshift HTTP server and run ur sites with PHP. Small HTTP Server is recommended for a small one. ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML & CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] After CSS?
Accessibility. Extend your skillsets with an understanding of the challenges faced by impaired users, whether physically or cerebrally impaired. The practical upshot of such consideration for fellow users is the market expansion afforded yourself and clients as you penetrate and take hold of these markets. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of 7 sinz Sent: 23 July 2004 11:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] After CSS? Hi all, Im an 19 yer old desinger, with a particular interest in web design. For the last 8 motnhs i've been huddled up in my workspace practising my art learning the ins and out of CSS and pretty much learning the language to a T. Anything i used to do with nested tables I now write with CSS, layouts dependant on the viewport are atill time consuming to make, and depending on browser support/target audience & scale of the project they can be time consuming, still i managae to pull through. Fixed width layouts are no brainers to use, i feel once you've comfortably mastered positioning in CSS you pretty much can design any layout you cut outta of Photoshop/other image editor. Not to say that thats all you need to know when developing with CSS, but it is a main part of structual design, once you can write it fluently theres no stopping or holing back with what kind of structure your static design may be. Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to start somewhere. But what now? How can you prepare for the next specification, new attributes and selectors, is there a test suite for CSS3?. Im a graphic designer, who's passion for web development introduced me to one of the strongest client side languages available to any developer, now that im at a point of "speaking fluent CSS" what do i tackle next, what new CSS3 flavours can i focus on for the next wave of innovation? Kind Regards _ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] After CSS?
Hi all, Im an 19 yer old desinger, with a particular interest in web design. For the last 8 motnhs i've been huddled up in my workspace practising my art learning the ins and out of CSS and pretty much learning the language to a T. Anything i used to do with nested tables I now write with CSS, layouts dependant on the viewport are atill time consuming to make, and depending on browser support/target audience & scale of the project they can be time consuming, still i managae to pull through. Fixed width layouts are no brainers to use, i feel once you've comfortably mastered positioning in CSS you pretty much can design any layout you cut outta of Photoshop/other image editor. Not to say that thats all you need to know when developing with CSS, but it is a main part of structual design, once you can write it fluently theres no stopping or holing back with what kind of structure your static design may be. Now, it took me a while to get here, but we all got to start somewhere. But what now? How can you prepare for the next specification, new attributes and selectors, is there a test suite for CSS3?. Im a graphic designer, who's passion for web development introduced me to one of the strongest client side languages available to any developer, now that im at a point of "speaking fluent CSS" what do i tackle next, what new CSS3 flavours can i focus on for the next wave of innovation? Kind Regards _ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?
Lee Roberts wrote: First Labels should not wrap the input. The elements within the Label tag become the label. By wrapping the input with the Label you are stating the input is part of its own Label. That's wrong. Sorry, but that's wrong. Enclosing the input within the label is a prescribed method (the other is the "for" attribute). UA's are required to understand that the enclosed input is the input to which the rest of the label is referring. DIV is a layer. Your better choice is P You're just replacing one invalid method with another. Only inline can go in a label. unless you are splitting the horizontal into two or more sections which would then require either a table or a few inline DIVS. I guess once you're already doing thing in an invalid fashion, you might as well go all the way, * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?
Justin French wrote:
Honestly, the most logical way I can see to do this is to have them in
three cells of a table row, since at least they'll be associated in a
row. 's would also be nice, but they're intended for
groupings of form elements, and using them for each text input seems
like a load of bloat.
It would also remove the need for , a wrapper I
used around each form element (label & input), since I can style the
label with display:block;
If you were using a div around each group, why were you objecting to a
fieldset. A fieldset would have been better than a div as it is more
semantic and no bloat (beyond the 10 additional characters). As far as a
table row goes, thee you're talking bloat.
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... but maybe that's an abuse of H3 and P,
It's also invalid, as label can only take inline content.
and I should stick with generic DIVs or SPANS?
For the set-up above, I'd drop the h3 and replace the p with a span. For
styling, the "h3" would be styled through the "label", and the "p"
through "#f-title span {...}".
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[WSG] Latest Thinking in Usability & IA
For WSG members in Sydney or Canberra who may be interested... Latest Thinking in Usability & IA = Thursday, 29 July 2004 Hyatt Hotel, Canberra Full event details: http://www.steptwo.com.au/seminars/040729/index.html Introductory Usability Testing == Wednesday, 1 September 2004 Rydges Melbourne Full event details: http://www.steptwo.com.au/seminars/040901/index.html Introductory Information Architecture = Canberra, 13 October: http://www.steptwo.com.au/seminars/041013/index.html Sydney, 27 October: http://www.steptwo.com.au/seminars/041027/index.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
