Re: [WSG] AOHell

[Rick Faaberg]

On 9/28/04 7:08 PM "Ryan Christie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

> AOL browser is uses the IE engine, does it not?

I think they switched to Gecko.

Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] AOHell

[Ryan Christie]

AOL browser is uses the IE engine, does it not?
Ted Drake wrote:
In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test with it... 

What do you do?  What considerations are there for AOl?
Ted
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RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Greer, Ben]

There's also the rumour of the "google browser bug" that was in Bugzilla
(but then was made private and no longer appears):
http://www.deftone.com/blogzilla/archives/google_browser.html

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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a 
> browser to be
> > released soon by Google called "gBrowser"
> > 
> > I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it
> may
> > have, but haven't really heard much..
> 
> Its been reported they have hired 4 IE developers
> http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/09/22/google_browser_c
> oming.htm
> 
> And the fact that Mozilla Developer Day was held at Google has people
> speculating what they have planned
> http://www.kottke.org/04/08/the-google-browser
> 
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Re: [WSG] AOHell

[Lea de Groot]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:15:25 -0700, Ted Drake wrote:
> In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test 
> with it... 
> 
> What do you do?  What considerations are there for AOl?

If it is a redevelopment, I look to the logs for the current site - 
what is the percentage of AOL visitors now?
If high, then, obviously Yes.
if low, I give some consideration to self-fulfilling prophecies[1] 
before I ignore it.

but I always do some basic testing as broadly as possible.
Full interactive testing can be a little more defined on the audience 
though

Lea
[1] I mean that there are no visitors using X because its either been 
excluded through browser sniffing or looks so bad that they leave 
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[WSG] standards based calendar function

[Ted Drake]

Hi everyone
We have been trying to get a calendar popup function for our web site to work.  I know 
there are a lot of them out there but I'd like to know if you have a favorite.  I'm 
talking about clicking into a form field for a date, having a calendar appear, click 
on the calendar's date, and the field is populated.

We are currently using one called calendarxp that uses an iframe and is not validating 
very well.  It also is not consistent in its position at all.
here's a couple examples:
http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/jsp/index.jsp calendar is in the leftnav, for 
departure and return date

http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/preparequote.do calendar is in the body for the 
same fields.

I appreciate any information you may have.
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[WSG] AOHell

[Ted Drake]

In a developers meeting today I was asked about AOL, should we test with it... 

What do you do?  What considerations are there for AOl?

Ted

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Re: [WSG] fixed background...

[Kevin Futter]

The 'fixed' property for element background images works in IE only for the
body selector, and fails in all other cases.

Cheers,
Kevin

On 28/9/04 7:27 PM, "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ladies and Gentlemen:
> 
> I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and
> need one solution to a problem.
> 
> question: is it supposed to work in IE?
> 
> problem: in FF, even though I believe the syntax is correct, it's not
> "fixing".  I have a "sidepanel" ID created specifically to house the
> fixed image (and I've also stuck the same image on the page itself, for
> experimentation purposes).  I tried, instead, to fix the image as a
> background of the "content" ID (floating left and bottom), but I was
> getting whitespace gaps in the image, and the content in the "content"
> ID was wigging in IE...that remains a mystery.
> 
> I admit that I'm very new at this stuff, and so I'm rather embarassed to
> even mention it (worrying that it's a simple mistake that is easily
> corrected).
> 
> You can see what I'm talking about at
> http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/
> 
> Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.  I have
> other questions (ie: how can I get the menu to stick in place in IE as
> it does in Firefox), but I'll save those for another time. ;)
> 
> Much obliged!



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Re: [WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Nick Gleitzman]

On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 20:29 Australia/Sydney, Rick Faaberg wrote:
At here:
  
I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles 
(.video_title is
the relevant style I'm pretty sure).

See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the 
titles?

Rick:
First, by 'whitespace' do you mean the line of space between 
p.video_title and p.video_synop? Is that what you're trying to close 
up? Because if so, you need to add margin-bottom:0 to the css 
declaration for p.video-title, and margin-top: 0 to p.video_synop.

A , by default , will always give you a line of whitespace before 
the next ...

Or is your issue something else? If so, browser, version, platform, 
please - and a clear description of where the unwanted whitespace is?

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RE: [WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Jason Turnbull]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be
> released soon by Google called "gBrowser"
> 
> I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it
may
> have, but haven't really heard much..

Its been reported they have hired 4 IE developers
http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2004/09/22/google_browser_coming.htm

And the fact that Mozilla Developer Day was held at Google has people
speculating what they have planned
http://www.kottke.org/04/08/the-google-browser

Regards
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Re: [WSG] fixed background...

[john]

Will do.
Has anybody else looked at my code?  Can some suggestions be offered, 
please?

Thanks.
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Peter Goddard wrote:
Try the following link, I have used fixed.js and it sorts out ie
http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/fixed.html
Peter
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen:
I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and
need one solution to a problem.
question: is it supposed to work in IE?

It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body 
Have you tried that yet?

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Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Darren Wood]

Webstandards wrote:
Hi everyone
I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be 
released soon by Google called "gBrowser"

I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may 
have, but haven't really heard much..

The talk is that GBrowser will be based on mozilla.  Me thinks google 
would love to take advantage of the XUL standard that mozilla has so 
fully adopted.

The browser is most definately on the way[1] its just a matter of when.
Darren.
[1] http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=gbrowser.com
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Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Ryan Christie]

Well, I did manage to get a warning from Google that "our service 
(GMail) may not look right because you aren't using IE" message, so the 
hopes of them NOT using IE as a backend? Slim. Corporations like Google 
are probably going to jump on ease of use and/or popularity.

Still, it'd be nice to have gecko running the show. It'll suck if 
gBrowser turns out to be some craptastic IE wrapper like CrazyBrowser. 
Oh, the numbers of people who refer to CrazyBrowser as an actual browser 
is frightening.

Don't these people wonder why it is that having IE6 installed is a 
requirement to run it's software?!

*palm to the forehead*
Webstandards wrote:
Hi everyone
I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be 
released soon by Google called "gBrowser"

I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may 
have, but haven't really heard much..

To keep on topic, has anyone heard whether it will follow standards at 
all?? Or will it do a Netscape and use Mozilla and add extras on top?

Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), 
so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE

With the number of gmail accounts going about, I can only think what a 
few gmail plug-ins to a "gBrowser" can do, before nearly every desktop 
will have it installed.

Ralph
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Re: [WSG] Mac site check please...

[Roger Johansson]

On 28 sep 2004, at 08.37, Francesco wrote:
I am developing using ASP.NET, which we all know is not XHTML 
compliant,
Hi.
You may be interested in the articles at ASP.NET Resources [1], more 
specifically Producing XHTML-Compliant Pages With Response Filters [2], 
which explains how to clean up the mess. I successfully implemented 
this in a recent project, so you can make ASP.NET based sites validate 
:)

[1] < http://aspnetresources.com/ >
[2] < http://aspnetresources.com/articles/HttpFilters.aspx >
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Re: [WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Joe Winton]

Webstandards wrote:
Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), 
so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE
Not sure about the gBrowser, but there is a version of the Google 
toolbar for Firefox at http://googlebar.mozdev.org.  It works well and 
seems to have nearly all of the features of the IE version (with the 
exception of PageRank).

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[WSG] gBrowser from Google

[Webstandards]

Hi everyone
I was recently told by a friend that there is talk of a browser to be 
released soon by Google called "gBrowser"

I have googled for any news on it, and what support for standards it may 
have, but haven't really heard much..

To keep on topic, has anyone heard whether it will follow standards at 
all?? Or will it do a Netscape and use Mozilla and add extras on top?

Their toolbar is IE only (a Mozilla version project at 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/google-toolbar/ has not moved in ages), 
so I am hoping they aren't going to base on IE

With the number of gmail accounts going about, I can only think what a 
few gmail plug-ins to a "gBrowser" can do, before nearly every desktop 
will have it installed.

Ralph
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Re: [WSG] Strange transparent section in IE

[Ned Lukies]

Looks like I need to do some work on my spelling as well as my html/css :)

> I'm at work, so am being forced to use IE5.5 (entirely against my will, I
> assure you). The content is dropping below the menu. Afraid I can't offer a
> solution at the moment as my pc/ie won't let me view the css (yes, I love
> my Win95 pc...) - I imagine it's something to do with widths and ie not
> being able to add. I can send you a screenshot if that helps - let me know
> and I'll send it offlist.

Thanks for that. The problem you described was showing up in IE6 earlier, but 
I somehow managed to solve it. The layout was based on something from 
csscreator.com and I thought I included all of the IE5 hacks. I guess not. 
Any further insight would be usefull

Ned
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RE: [WSG] fixed background...

[Peter Goddard]

Title: RE: [WSG] fixed background...





Try the following link, I have used fixed.js and it sorts out ie


http://www.doxdesk.com/software/js/fixed.html


Peter


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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen:
> 
> I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and
> need one solution to a problem.
> 
> question: is it supposed to work in IE?


It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body 
Have you tried that yet?


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RE: [WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Peter Goddard]

Title: RE: [WSG] shrinking  whitespace





Hi Rick


I have altered the markup as follows:




  New video releases (all available in VHS, DVD, and Digital)


  Electing the President 2004: How the Electoral College Works
    Including footage of the 2004 presidential race, this timely program explains the U.S. election system. It examines the function of the Electoral College from its inception to the present day, the rise of political parties, changes in voter eligibility, the influence of TV. Teacher’s Guide. (16 min. Gr. 6-12) 



Bullying at School: Decisions and Consequences
Harassment by classmates drives a boy to an act of violence against one of them that leads to his being charged with assault. Issues raised stimulate discussion about emotional and physical bullying, conflict resolution, and violence prevention. Discussion Guide. (12 min. Gr. 5-8, Adult) 



Our Country's FlagHow did the Stars and Stripes come to be the patriotic symbol of the United States? Beginning with Colonial and Revolutionary War flags, we trace the evolution of our flag as the nation grew. Many actual flags are shown as well as their use in historic events. Teacher’s Guide. (12 min. Gr. 3-6)

.and so on. This is more semantically correct. The table is showing release details. Once the table has been given an 'id' attribute it is then easy to remove the unnecessary classes which only serve to clutter the markup. Once this has been done then the following styles can be added to the stylesheet. You can control whitespace around the content in the 's by adding padding the their declaration ( ie table#releases td {padding: 3px; }

Here are the styles:


table#releases 
{
padding: 0; 
margin: 0; 
width: 100%;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif; //this only needs to be declared here if it isn't already set in the body styles for the page. It 'cascades' to its children/descendants

}
table#releases th 
{ 
color: #e10372; 
font-weight: bold; 
font-size: 12px; 
text-align: center; 
margin-top: 6px; 
margin-bottom: 6px; 
}
table#releases td h3 
{ 
padding: 0; 
margin: 0; 
color: #0b3e7f; 
font-weight: bold; 
font-size: 11px; 
}
table#releases td 
{ 
color: #0b3e7f; 
font-size: 10px; 
line-height: 11px; 
margin-right: 12px; 
margin-bottom: 6px; 
margin-left: 12px 
}


I have set the font-weight property to bold. This should suffice in most circumstances.


I hope this helps.


Peter Goddard



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Subject: [WSG] shrinking  whitespace


Hi,


This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's
appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back
on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-)


At here:


  


I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is
the relevant style I'm pretty sure).


See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles?


Stylesheet here:


  


CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps.


TIA


Rick Faaberg


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Re: [WSG] fixed background...

[Parker Torrence]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:27:43 +0100, john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen:
> 
> I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and
> need one solution to a problem.
> 
> question: is it supposed to work in IE?

It only seems to work for me in IE, if it is the background of body 
Have you tried that yet?

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Re: [WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Cameron Muir]

Rick,
You could put margin:0 in .video_title and .video_synop and that should 
fix the space issue.

You might want to consider more semantic code though, perhaps use the h 
element (or even a definition list?).

cameron.
Rick Faaberg wrote:
Hi,
This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's
appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back
on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-)
At here:
  
I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is
the relevant style I'm pretty sure).
See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles?
Stylesheet here:
  
CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps.
TIA
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Re: [WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Rick Faaberg]

On 9/28/04 4:06 AM "Mark Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out:

> as for the whitespace around the P have you removed padding and margin from
> it?
> 
> and if so have you removed it from any surrounding elemenets? thats normaly
> the main cause of whitespace around a P

All I've specified for  is a font family...

p { font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular,
sans-serif }

As far as surrounding elements, I hoped you folks would spot something
obvious that I'm missing because I've looked real hard. :-)

Thanks,

Rick



SS 

Need to get rid of the white space after the video titles - the style is
video_title

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RE: [WSG] Box floating, footer placement, completion of column

[Trusz, Andrew]

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Subject: [WSG] Box floating, footer placement, completion of column

Hi, I normally just lurk and listen in on everyone here and enjoy it a
great deal. I have a small site design that is causing me problems, and I
can't seem to find the problem.

http://64.219.167.253/test/testpage.php

Three issues going on here:

1) The page footer is floating in the middle of the page, not at the bottom
2) The left navigation bar (black background) stops short, does not
continue length of page as i want.
3) The line "Here is content after the boxes" -- what I *want* is to have
two floating boxes, side by side, each with its list in it, and the "here
is content after the boxes" should fall AFTER those two boxes.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Kathy Lessa

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Kathy, start by adding a doctype so the browser knows what set of rules to
use for interpreting your tags. And add a character set meta tag. Take the
guess work out of it for the browser. It will help you and the end user. For
ease of use, you might consider html4 strict as your doctype.

Second, get into the habit of writing tags in lower case. While not required
with some doctypes, lower case is required in xhtml strict which is the
doctype towards which page composition is moving. 

Third you need to study a bit about floats. You are clearing improperly.
That's why you have the positioning issues. You need to not clear the first
float and do the clear:both after the second float. For a quick tutorial
see:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/float-theory.html

Fourth, your footer should be a list. For that see:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/

Fifth, validate your code, both css and html.

drew
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Re: [WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Mark Harwood]

Hi Rick, Welcome to the group :D

as for the whitespace around the P have you removed padding and margin from it?

and if so have you removed it from any surrounding elemenets? thats normaly 
the main cause of whitespace around a P

Hope that helps you on your way a bit...

Mark Harwood

Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / XhtmlandCss.co.uk


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Re: [WSG] Strange transperant section in IE

[emily tarrant]

Hi Ned

I'm at work, so am being forced to use IE5.5 (entirely against my will, I 
assure you). The content is dropping below the menu. Afraid I can't offer a 
solution at the moment as my pc/ie won't let me view the css (yes, I love my 
Win95 pc...) - I imagine it's something to do with widths and ie not being able 
to add. I can send you a screenshot if that helps - let me know and I'll send 
it offlist.

Best wishes
Emily (who should be working, not checking her emails)

Quoting Ned Lukies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> I have been developing a catalogue/shopping cart site for a client and have 
> come across the following problem in IE. For some reason, every now and then,
> 
> a rectangular patch of the background shows though. A screen capture of this
> 
> is available at:
> 
> http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/ie.jpg (please excuse the quality of the
> 
> image)
> 
> The offending page can be found at:
> 
> http://brothers2.madforit.com.au/index.php/user/product/beer/local_beer/
> 
> Note the dark blue box below the heading "SPECIAL -  Gold Stubbies".
> 
> I have been taring my hair out for hours trying to figure this one out. 
> Sometimes its there, others it isn't. Sometimes you have to add something 
> into the shopping cart before it will play up. I haven't been able to 
> replicate the problem in any other browser.
> 
> Also while I am here, has anyone noticed that if you create a PNG file with a
> 
> solid colour in it, it will never match up to the to a background colour in 
> Safari. Is there any way to make sure they do or is PNG support in Safari 
> broken? An example screenshot:
> 
> http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/safari.jpg 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> For those who want to know this is my first real site in XHTML + CSS. I have
> 
> wanted to do it before, but I have never had a designer who would actually 
> let me write the HTML code until now.
> 
> At the backend I have used (slightly off topic i know)
> 
> PHP4
> HTML_QuickForm (Object Oriented form builder)
> DB_DataObject (Object Oriented interface to MySQL)
> Smarty template engine
> 
> Hopefully in the end, I will have a standards compliant web site, that neatly
> 
> has all the back end code separated from the HTML. It should be a dream to 
> maintain if I manage to achieve this. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ned
> 
> -- 
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> 
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[WSG] shrinking whitespace

[Rick Faaberg]

Hi,

This is my first request for help to this list I think. Hope it's
appropriate since it's kind of a CSS help thing but I can't bear going back
on css-discuss if you know what I mean. ;-)

At here:

  

I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is
the relevant style I'm pretty sure).

See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the titles?

Stylesheet here:

  

CSS and markup mainly validate, with a few margin errors perhaps.

TIA

Rick Faaberg

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[WSG] Strange transperant section in IE

[Ned Lukies]

I have been developing a catalogue/shopping cart site for a client and have 
come across the following problem in IE. For some reason, every now and then, 
a rectangular patch of the background shows though. A screen capture of this 
is available at:

http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/ie.jpg (please excuse the quality of the 
image)

The offending page can be found at:

http://brothers2.madforit.com.au/index.php/user/product/beer/local_beer/

Note the dark blue box below the heading "SPECIAL -  Gold Stubbies".

I have been taring my hair out for hours trying to figure this one out. 
Sometimes its there, others it isn't. Sometimes you have to add something 
into the shopping cart before it will play up. I haven't been able to 
replicate the problem in any other browser.

Also while I am here, has anyone noticed that if you create a PNG file with a 
solid colour in it, it will never match up to the to a background colour in 
Safari. Is there any way to make sure they do or is PNG support in Safari 
broken? An example screenshot:

http://www.madforit.com.au/brothers/safari.jpg 

Thanks in advance.

For those who want to know this is my first real site in XHTML + CSS. I have 
wanted to do it before, but I have never had a designer who would actually 
let me write the HTML code until now.

At the backend I have used (slightly off topic i know)

PHP4
HTML_QuickForm (Object Oriented form builder)
DB_DataObject (Object Oriented interface to MySQL)
Smarty template engine

Hopefully in the end, I will have a standards compliant web site, that neatly 
has all the back end code separated from the HTML. It should be a dream to 
maintain if I manage to achieve this. 


Regards,

Ned

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Manager

Mad for IT
(07) 38319234
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RE: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout

[cesar | cesargarcia.com]

Opsss.

it will try to solve it.

as I can see my sites in safari ?
I use Windows

Thanks

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Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 10:56
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Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout

Your English is good, but Safari on the Mac makes a hash of your site.

http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/gestoriagarcia_Safari.jpg



On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 6:41 PM,  cesargarcia.com|cesar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase
>or decrease size as same the font.
>
>Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net
>
>It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size.
>
>Sorry for my english.
>
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>De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En
>nombre de Andrew Thompson
>Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33
>Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
>
>My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the
>layouts should never break. 
>
>--
>
>On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its
>>acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase
>>font size.
>>
>>Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or
>>decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly
>>the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on
>>PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely
>>positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation.
>>
>>It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely
>>large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't
>>worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder?
>>
>>Grant Focas
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[WSG] fixed background...

[john]

Ladies and Gentlemen:
I'm attempting my first fixed background, and I have one question and 
need one solution to a problem.

question: is it supposed to work in IE?
problem: in FF, even though I believe the syntax is correct, it's not 
"fixing".  I have a "sidepanel" ID created specifically to house the 
fixed image (and I've also stuck the same image on the page itself, for 
experimentation purposes).  I tried, instead, to fix the image as a 
background of the "content" ID (floating left and bottom), but I was 
getting whitespace gaps in the image, and the content in the "content" 
ID was wigging in IE...that remains a mystery.

I admit that I'm very new at this stuff, and so I'm rather embarassed to 
even mention it (worrying that it's a simple mistake that is easily 
corrected).

You can see what I'm talking about at
http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/
Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.  I have
other questions (ie: how can I get the menu to stick in place in IE as
it does in Firefox), but I'll save those for another time. ;)
Much obliged!
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Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout

[Andrew Thompson]

Your English is good, but Safari on the Mac makes a hash of your site.

http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/gestoriagarcia_Safari.jpg



On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 6:41 PM,  cesargarcia.com|cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase
>or decrease size as same the font.
>
>Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net
>
>It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size.
>
>Sorry for my english.
>
>cesar | cesargarcia.com
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>-Mensaje original-
>De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En
>nombre de Andrew Thompson
>Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33
>Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout
>
>My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the
>layouts should never break. 
>
>--
>
>On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its
>>acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase
>>font size.
>>
>>Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or
>>decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly
>>the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on
>>PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely
>>positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation.
>>
>>It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely
>>large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't
>>worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder?
>>
>>Grant Focas
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RE: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout

[cesar | cesargarcia.com]

Yes, if all elements are proportional the layouts never break, increase
or decrease size as same the font.

Take a look: http://www.gestoriagarcia.net

It's my latest work, incerase or decrease the size.

Sorry for my english.

cesar | cesargarcia.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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-Mensaje original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En
nombre de Andrew Thompson
Enviado el: martes, 28 de septiembre de 2004 8:33
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: [WSG] increasing font size breaking layout

My understanding is that if all elements are relative/proportional, the
layouts should never break. 

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On Tuesday, 28 September 2004 4:14 PM, Focas, Grant
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I was wondering if people had any opinions on when its
>acceptable if at all for a layout to break when users increase
>font size.
>
>Sites I am working on look fine if text is increased or
>decreased 1 or 2 times but when they are increased repeatedly
>the layout goes a bit whacky in some browsers (Netscape 6.2 on
>PC, IE5 Mac). Specifically, elements which are absolutely
>positioned get overlapped by wrapped list navigation.
>
>It seems to me that this only happens when text gets extremely
>large on small resolution screens and therefore I shouldn't
>worry too much, but is extreme all in the eye of the beholder?
>
>Grant Focas
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