RE: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Peter Tilbrook]

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John said:
"What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the code to
an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a cardinal sin all
these years?"

Can you serve the image as a background image from the style sheet, then you
can have the print sheet serving the large image and the screen sheet
serving a 72dpi version?

Aaron

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Re: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Ben Curtis]

John said:
"What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the
code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a
cardinal sin all these years?"
http://www.spartanicus.utvinternet.ie/print_high_resolution_images.htm
I've used both of these. They work tolerably well. I haven't come up 
with a cross-browser technique that combines the compatibility of the 
first with the second technique's ability to download just the image 
you need.

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[WSG] new standards based site

[Ted Drake]

Hi 
This may have been around for a while but I just noticed this site is standards 
based.
http://www.bet.com/
With all of the banner ads and stuff it's good to see that they've been able to 
integrate it with standards. It's not the greatest example but it's always nice 
to see a big site ditch the tables.
Ted
 
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Re: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[jake]

Unfortunately the machines our test lab aren't hooked up to a printer, but it
worked fine in IE6 and Firefox (PC).

Jake

Quoting Matthew Cruickshank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >That's what we do at DEWR for our minister's press releases. It seems to
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> Any idea of the browser support?
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RE: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
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> John said:
> "What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the
> code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a
> cardinal sin all these years?"
>
> Can you serve the image as a background image from the style
> sheet, then you
> can have the print sheet serving the large image and the screen sheet
> serving a 72dpi version?

Would be a great way of doing it, but not all browsers print background
images. You would have to rely on the user having the right browser with the
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RE: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[jake]

No, what happens is that the larger version will print larger (in dimensions)
rather than at a higher resolution. The only solution I found was to have the
image at a high resolution then scale it down using the html width and height
attributes on the image tag. Of course that means that everyone who loads the
image will have to download the print resolution image, but in our case at
least it was just a 1bit B&W gif so it wasn't all that big.

Jake

Quoting Website Direction Ltd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> John said:
> "What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the
> code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a
> cardinal sin all these years?"
>
> Can you serve the image as a background image from the style sheet, then you
> can have the print sheet serving the large image and the screen sheet
> serving a 72dpi version?
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> Aaron
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Re: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Matthew Cruickshank]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's what we do at DEWR for our minister's press releases. It seems to work
well enough, I'm not sure if it's semantically correct, but hey it works.
 

Any idea of the browser support?

.Matthew Cruickshank
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RE: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Website Direction Ltd]

John said:
"What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the 
code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a 
cardinal sin all these years?"

Can you serve the image as a background image from the style sheet, then you
can have the print sheet serving the large image and the screen sheet
serving a 72dpi version?

Aaron

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Re: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[jake]

That's what we do at DEWR for our minister's press releases. It seems to work
well enough, I'm not sure if it's semantically correct, but hey it works.

J

Quoting John Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Something came up that I hope you won't mind my asking on this list.
>
> I've got a database with a web interface, and one of the things I
> want to do with the content is print letters to send by physical mail.
>
> So for the first time in my life I want to put an image into an HTML
> document with greater-than-72-DPI resolution.
>
> I want to do that so that it prints out at decent quality on a laser printer.
>
> What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the
> code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a
> cardinal sin all these years?
> 
> "Have You Validated Your Code?"
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Re: [WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[Rimantas Liubertas]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:32:37 +1100, John Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<...> 
> So for the first time in my life I want to put an image into an HTML
> document with greater-than-72-DPI resolution.

In html DPI doesn't matter - only dimension in pixels do.
DPI is for print, but, alas - not from the browsers. 
Browsers try to reproduce on paper what you see on screen, so they will
use suitable DPI, not the one specified in file.

The only hope is that they behave differently for the print stylesheets,
but this requires testing.

Some related reading:  http://www.webdevelopersjournal.com/columns/ajs_ppi.html

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[WSG] Somewhat OT - VERY print friendly?

[John Horner]

Something came up that I hope you won't mind my asking on this list.
I've got a database with a web interface, and one of the things I 
want to do with the content is print letters to send by physical mail.

So for the first time in my life I want to put an image into an HTML 
document with greater-than-72-DPI resolution.

I want to do that so that it prints out at decent quality on a laser printer.
What would you do? Make a huge image then force-shrink it using the 
code to an implicit 300 DPI or so? Exactly what I've regarded as a 
cardinal sin all these years?

   "Have You Validated Your Code?"
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Re: [WSG] Image Transitions Without Flash (URL fixed)

[Marilyn Langfeld]

On the Mac side, it works correctly in Firefox 1.0, Safari, 1.2.3, Netscape 7.2. The images change in IE 5.2 but no fade; nothing happens (stays on the first image and doesn't advance) in Opera 6.03.

Best regards,

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On Dec 14, 2004, at 12:08 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote:

Mordechai Peller wrote:

http://localhost/test/Image-Transitions-Without-Flash.html 

Ooops!! :-[

I cut and pasted the wrong address. One onf the downsides of having a local Web server. While I suppose I could give you the IP, my firewall might cause a bit of a problem. :-D

Here's a more usefull address:
http://testing.pellerweb.com/Image-Transitions-Without-Flash.html
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Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (14/12/04)

[Kornel Lesinski]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:48:40 +1100, russ - maxdesign  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://news.com.com/Mozillaaimsformobilebrowsermarket/2100-1032_3-5483683.html
I'd like to note that this news is disinformative. You could think that  
there isn't
any browser that reformats pages, zooms images and has javascript support  
on mobiles.

There is: http://my.opera.com/haavard/journal/28
Mobile Opera supports DOM and CSS2.1, had resize on the fly first and  
recently greatly improved that feature. Saying Minimo is better than most  
browsers on mobile market or that it is innovative in any of mentioned  
areas is untrue, because significant share of this market belongs to Opera  
and Opera was inventor of all Minimo key features.

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Re: [WSG] Reduce Page Weight

[Terrence Wood]

The rumour is some search engines will penalize you for serving up 
alternative content to bots.

I'm sure a few bytes of text in meta data is not going to make a 
noticeable difference to people. Generally page weight saving are made 
in judicious use of images/media, minimizing trips back to the server, 
and pretty formatting in code source.

Using the first para of content is probably better suited to 
"description" than "keywords" see: 
http://www.highrankings.com/metadescription.htm


cheers
Terrence Wood.

On 2004-12-14 10:30 AM, John Ozturk wrote:
What if I create a conditional statement on my dynamically generated pages
that print these meta tags (especially ketword and description ones) only if
it is a bot.

As you can see I am chopping the first paragraph of the article and putting it
on to the keywords.
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store]

I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am 
a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop 
Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you.

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Latin -  Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
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Re: [WSG] Reduce Page Weight

[Kornel Lesinski]

The point of putting metatags on pages is mostly for search engines.
What if I create a conditional statement on my dynamically generated  
pages that print these meta tags (especially ketword and description  
ones) only if it is a bot.
Maybe just forget about them altogether? Use good titles, headings and
urls.
Google doesn't care about meta at all. Inktomi is the last one that takes
them
into account and it's authors say that meta has only marginal influence on
indexing.
Is there an easy way to recognize a bot?
There is a list of robot's User-Agent strings floating around, but that's
few thousands different strings...
For less important things I check for presence of "http://"; in User-Agent,
but is incorrect in many cases! ("ia_archiver", and browsers with
addons/proxies that advertise themselves).
Apart from targetting specific User-Agent strings you might create
bot-trap in /robots.txt - use Apache mod_rewrite to handle that file with
PHP for example.
Google tips mention that bot detects if different page is sent to the bot
and to the browsers and may threat it as a cheat.
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Re: [WSG] Reduce Page Weight

[Brian Cummiskey]

John Ozturk wrote:
The point of putting metatags on pages is mostly for search engines.
6 years ago this was the case, but all the good ones today, this is 
simply untrue.  content drives search engines more than meta tags do. 
in fact, i don't even run meta tags anymore and have multiple top 10 
result sets on google, yahoo, msn and aol's search engines.

that said, i wouldn't even bother with the user agent 
switch/conditional.  its really just not worth the coding time.
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE]

If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on 
every page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once
send the robots forward to all the other pages?

	
A robots.txt file is a better option for controlling site-wide search 
engine behavior.

http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/robots.php
For a search engine to crawl a site the site must be well-linked, 
i.e. if a webpage is posted but has no incoming links it won't be 
'found' by the spider (unless it is registered separately).

(See reference links and additional related glossary terms for more 
info on search engines, meta tags etc.)

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[WSG] Thank you and sorry!

[Barry Cranmer]

Sorry I was off-topic, but thanks everyone for the help!
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Terrence Wood]

AFIAK it's safe to assume that robots will index and follow by default, 
so this tag may be redundant.

Read more about robots here: http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/faq.html
Terrence Wood.
On 2004-12-14 9:14 AM, Barry Cranmer wrote:
If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on 
every page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once
send the robots forward to all the other pages?



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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Brian Cummiskey]

The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store wrote:
I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am 
a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop 
Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you.
in robots.txt
User-agent: *
Disallow: /www.mysite.com/
but, it has its limitations.  using an .htaccess file is the only real 
way to stop a robot.

http://www.website-promotion-ranking-services.com/tutorials/27.htm
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[WSG] Reduce Page Weight

[John Ozturk]

Hi there,

I am new to this list but not new to the web (working on-line since 6 years).
I have a quick question.

The point of putting metatags on pages is mostly for search engines.
What if I create a conditional statement on my dynamically generated pages that 
print these meta tags (especially ketword and description ones) only if it is a 
bot.

Is there an easy way to recognize a bot? Either trying to get cgi/enviroment 
variables or something else?

As you can see I am chopping the first paragraph of the article and putting it 
on to the keywords.

http://bestweb.ca/lite021/messages/44/0/As-long-as-their-energy-levels-and-vocal-chords-hold/

Tks.

John


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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE]

I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am
a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop
Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you.
Create a text file and name it 'robots.txt'
Paste the following code, save and upload to the root directory of 
each site you want to ban search engines from indexing:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /
The first line identifies the search engine spiders (user-agents) the 
directive applies to (all)
The second line specifies the directories and files to be excluded, 
(all-from the root directory)

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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Veine K Vikberg]

Good afternoon;
At 01:11 PM 12/13/2004 -0800, you wrote:
I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am
a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop
Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you.
If I get your question right you want none to visit and index, if that is 
the case, then in robots.txt you put the following:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /
  HTH
Regards
   ~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Veine K Vikberg]

Greetings from Northeast ;)
At 03:14 PM 12/13/2004 -0500, you wrote:
If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on every 
page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once
send the robots forward to all the other pages?


Per se you do not need this meta tag at all, since the default value is 
just this, however, if search engines are concerned, a couple of other 
lists I'm on suggests that they may be necessary to put back in for some of 
the new spiders that value well built pages.

Personally after reading that I include it on the front page of every site, 
since the front is carrying most of the SES (search engine spiders) weight 
just for good measure, I mean the extra few bytes on the page will not do 
any difference for download speed purposes so.. what could be hurt?

   HTH
 Regards
   ~Veine
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Kornel Lesinski]

If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on  
every page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once
send the robots forward to all the other pages?

	

You don't need that at all. Index, follow is default behaviour and won't  
override robots.txt anyway.

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[WSG] question - follow, index meta tag

[Barry Cranmer]

Reading the archived discussions on meta tags, I couldn't find the 
answer to this question, but I
did see people saying the tags should appear on every page that differs 
in any way from other pages at a site.

If I have the following on my index page, do I need to repeat it on 
every page at my site? Doesn't this tag appearing once
send the robots forward to all the other pages?



Thanks in advance for any advice.
Barry Cranmer
from the east coast of the US
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[WSG] Now you can Print Link URLs

[Richard Czeiger]

OK, so maybe I'm a little too bored/geeky for my own 
good...
 
The following code fixes something that's been bugging me for 
a while.
Everyone but IE seems to be able to use the "content" 
attribute in CSS.
This bit of _javascript_ basically fixes that. Read the comments 
in the code and have a play with it.
 
 
:: CODE ::
 
 
/*// Print our HREFs on Links for Print 
StyleSheet
 
There's a cool bit of CSS that shows a link's URL after 
it:
 
 a:after { content:" [" attr(href) "] " }
 
Great for Print StyleSheets, but unfortunately MSIE doesn't 
implement this.So here's some code that replicates that functionality for 
all browsers  :o)On the plus side, it also lets you style the URL 
anyway you want,instead of having it relegated to part of the link 
itself.
 
*/// 
 
function showHREF() { if 
(document.getElementsByTagName) {  >  whichLink = 
onlyContentLinks.getElementsByTagName("a");   for (var i=0; 
i   useLink = whichLink[i]; 
   showLink = 
useLink.getAttribute("href")  // This 
is for FireFox to get the whole URL if it's a link to a page within your own 
site   if (useLink.getAttribute("rel") != "external") 
{   // NOTE: this assume you are using rel="external" for 
external links   // You can swap this 
with...   // if (useLink.getAttribute("target") != "_blank") 
{// Because MSIE will 
show the full path we have to crop itcheckShow = 
showLink.lastIndexOf("/");showLink = 
showLink.substring(checkShow+1,showLink.length);// 
Because FireFox doesn't, we have to add itlastSlash 
= document.location.href.lastIndexOf("/");directory 
= 
document.location.href.substring(0,lastSlash);// 
Our funky complete URL for internal pagesshowLink = 
directory + '/' + 
showLink;   }  newSpan 
= document.createElement("span");   showTitle = 
document.createTextNode(' [' + showLink + 
']');   newSpan.appendChild(showTitle);   useLink.parentNode.insertBefore(newSpan,useLink.nextSibling);
   // Don't forget to put .printLink in 
both
   // your screen and print 
stylesheets
   
newSpan.className='printLink';  } }}
window.>
 
Richard   :o)

RE: [WSG] Article length & usability

[Joshua White]

Chris Kennon wrote:
> I've been unable to find exact info on the length of an article 
> published on the web and it's impact on usability. At what page length 
> does an article become tedious to the user?

It might be a worth a visit to the newsstand and take a couple of
newspapers, using their technique - runs a story/article on the basis of 3-4
paragraphs long and have a recommended reading age of 12 years old. Although
that level of reading age varies what kind of content you're delivering.

Keep sentences simple and concise.

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Re: [WSG] LOCAL XHTML TESTING - HOW TO DO IT?

[Robert Crawford]

Joey said the following on 12/12/2004 7:52 AM:
Download Web Developer Toolbar for firefox for local validating.
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/
Then you can see a tool under "Tools" called "Validate Local HTML" that 
should help you out a bit.

Hope this helps
Joey
 

Also while you're at downloading Firefox/Mozilla Extensions, get the 
HTML Validator (based on Tidy) from http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/

Robert
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RE: [WSG] Validating unicode files

[Richard Ishida]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Futter
> Sent: 13 December 2004 01:28
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Validating unicode files
> 
> On 13/12/04 8:23 AM, "Matthew Cruickshank"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi chaps,
> > 
> > When it comes to text encoding the character range from 
> 127-255 is, as 
> > I understand it, disputed territory. In that all kinds of regional 
> > hacks were used over the years and with Unicode they're no longer 
> > neccessary so I should avoid this range. I was just copying 
> some text 
> > together and my xml parser didn't like it because of some 
> characters in this range.

See W3C's FAQ "HTML, XHTML, XML and Control Codes"
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-controls


> > It seems that even when you tell notepad.exe to save as utf-8 it 
> > sometimes doesn't.

I've never experienced that.  It only saves as something else if I forget to
do SaveAs or remove the byte order mark.  Also, you should make sure that
your server is not overriding the encoding of your file by serving an
incorrect HTTP header.

> > 
> > So is there a bit of software to validate UTF-8 encoded files?

The W3C Validator works fine on UTF-8 encoded files. It can also be useful
for determining the encoding of your file.

> > 
> > 
> > .Matthew Cruickshank
> > http://holloway.co.nz/
> 
> My understanding is that it's a known 'feature' of Notepad to 
> add some internal proprietary identifier to UTF-8 encoded 
> files that actually render them invalid, so-to-speak. I'm 
> sure someone else can explain it better than I just did!

See W3C's FAQ "Unexpected characters or blank lines"
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom (esp the background)

The UTF-8 BOM or signature doesn't render the file invalid, but may produce
some unexpected effects in certain browsers.

> 
> I've found this article quite useful, though it may not 
> necessarily directly address your problem:
> 
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
> 
> --
> Kevin Futter
> Webmaster, St. Bernard's College
> http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/
> 

Hope that helps.  (Please let me know if there's a way to improve our
articles, or add useful new ones.)


Richard Ishida
W3C

contact info:
http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ 

W3C Internationalization:
http://www.w3.org/International/ 

Publication blog:
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 

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[WSG] Drop down menu Issue

[Tom Livingston]

Hello all,
I hope I can explain this clearly enough because, due to the content, I 
can't easily post a page for you to see...

I have a graphic horizontal nav bar (yes, I know. Moving on...) Each 
menu item has a dropdown that "flies" out. These fly-outs are currently 
divs containing a  for the menu items. The code for these is like this:

XHTML
--


Account Team
<...snip...>


CSS
--
#thismenu{position:absolute; background-color:#fff; border:1px solid 
#ccc; width:134px; top:127px; left:0px; padding:0; margin:0; 
visibility:hidden; z-index:10;}

/* \*/
* html #thismenu{w\idth:122px;}
/* */
.menu ul{font:10px/12px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; 
list-style-type:none; padding:0; margin:0; text-align:left;}
.menu ul li{padding:0; margin:0;}
.menu ul li a{display:block; color:#000; width:100%; padding:4px 8px 4px 
8px; margin:0; text-decoration:none;}
.menu ul li a:hover{display:block; color:#d4001a; width:100%; 
padding:4px 8px 4px 8px; margin:0; text-decoration:none;}
html>body .menu li a {width:auto;}
html>body .menu li a:hover {width:auto;}

now...
Due to a client revision (this would be fun if not for clients), we are 
looking to have these menus (well, one of them anyway) be able to expand 
horizontally to accomodate the length of menu items entered in by the 
client through a CMS. When I remove the widths that are defined for the 
div, all is well in Safari, FF(mac) and NN7 Win. The menu (and 
containing div) expand horizontally to allow for a long link. But in IE 
Win (and maybe others) the fly-out menu width expands out to the far 
right edge of the page.

With me?
 so... any way to get IE Win to do what I am after?
TIA!
--
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
mlinc.com
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Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

[Bryan Loeper]

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:51:10 -0500, berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why using a:link ?
> 
>means that the word inside is a link
> 
> a { color:blue;  text-decoration:underline; }
> 
> is the same as setting
> 
> a:link { color:blue; text-decoration:underline; }
> 
> Link is a redundant tag
> 
> I presume that in XHTML 2 it will desappear or betterwill become
>beacause the big difference between link and visited,
> active, hover, and focus is that  link  means that it is a button or a
> clickable word, and visited, active, hover, focus explain how this button
> wil act.

Your presumption was wrong.  It may help to spend some time on the w3
site and read the specs.

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-meta.html#s_metamodule

Short version:  will continue to be a metainformation element


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-hyperAttributes.html#s_hyperAttributesmodule

Short version: all elements that have the Hypertext Attributes as part
of them (which is almost all of them) will be able to be links.  The
CSS spec contains the :link in preparation for that, as it will be
available for many more elements in the future.

-Bryan
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[WSG] Vacancy: XHTML/CSS Web Developer (UK)

[Joe Leech]

Location: Bristol, UK.
Sift are looking for an experienced (1 year+)  XHTML/CSS developer with 
good client facing skills.  Must be familiar with W3C WAI.  JavaScript 
and Photoshop/Design skills an advantage. 

More details:
http://www.sift.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=359&d=11&h=24&f=46&dateformat=%25o%20%25B%20%25Y
Applications, via covering letter and CV (i.e. not just a link to a 
portfolio site)  to:

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joe leech
p.s. I know the website is not standards compliant.  We are working on it!

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Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

[Andy Budd]

On 12 Dec 2004, at 02:51, berry wrote:
Why using a:link ?
   means that the word inside is a link
a { color:blue;  text-decoration:underline; }
is the same as setting
a:link { color:blue; text-decoration:underline; }
Link is a redundant tag
No it's not.
Your first example targets all anchor elements. Your second example 
targets only anchor elements that haven't been visited!

Common guys, rtfm
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#link-pseudo-classes
Andy Budd
http://www.message.uk.com/
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