Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[liorean]

On 5/6/05, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But it is in the div
> 
> Example:
> 
> 
> 
> blah blah blah 
> 
>  item name
>  item name
> 
> 

You misunderstood that a bit: It must be the direct contents of one of
the elements listed - no elements in between.
You currently have 

div > form > input

But the input need to be contained in one of the listed elements - for
example like this:

form > div > input

It's a question of direct parent, not ancestor.
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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[Roger Johansson]

On 6 maj 2005, at 08.01, tee wrote:
But it is in the div
Example:



You need a block level element _inside_ the form element:




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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[tee]

But it is in the div

Example:



blah blah blah 

 item name
 item name




tee
> From: "Kwok Ting Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:49:43 +1000
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> Subject: RE: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict
> 
>  has to be wrapped in a block level tag of some sort, e.g. ,
> ,  etc.
> 
> So you'd use:   or  or
>  (very simplified)
> 
> Kwok-Ting
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RE: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[Kwok Ting Lee]

 has to be wrapped in a block level tag of some sort, e.g. ,
,  etc.  

So you'd use:   or  or
 (very simplified)

Kwok-Ting



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Re: [WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[liorean]

On 5/6/05, tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> document type does not allow element "input" here; missing one of "p", "h1",
> "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "div", "pre", "address", "fieldset", "ins",
> "del" start-tag
> 
> I do not understand at all.

Another way to say it: The element that wraps the input MUST be one of
the above listed. Those are the only elements that allow input elments
in their contents. You probably have your input element wrapped
directly in your form element - you need to insert one of the
mentioned elements as the parent of your input element.
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[WSG] Validation error question for XHTML Strict

[tee]

I started using XHTML Strict few months back, and this particular validation
error keep coming back to me when working on form and my dirty trick to
solve the error is switching that particular page to XHTML Transitional. It
has work fine but I guess it's time for me to really look for an answer.

I did a couple search on Google few months ago when I first encounter this
error but cannot find any solution. Maybe there is answer on the W3C site
but I couldn't find either.



The error message the W3C validator gave me

document type does not allow element "input" here; missing one of "p", "h1",
"h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "div", "pre", "address", "fieldset", "ins",
"del" start-tag 

I do not understand at all.


Regards,

tee

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Re: [WSG] font list?

[Zulema]

john wrote:
What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are
recommended for web design.  It would be nice if there were some kind of
PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him online if
need be.
Does such a chart exist?
 

I like this neat table:
http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html
ciao,
zulema
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browser : http://getfirefox.com/ 

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Re: [WSG] Headings within Navigation

[heretic]

> Does anyone know whether it's correct to use headings in your navigation? 

I'd say it's not correct; although I'd counterpoint by saying that
nested lists imply the sort of structure I think you're trying to
define.

That is... the nested lists are "one level down" from the containing
LI.  So adding the headings is doubling up, semantically speaking.

Plus, headings should be attached to content; which they aren't in the list.

h

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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[russ - maxdesign]

There are a range of methods of removing whitespace in IE:

1. border-bottom
li { border-bottom: ?; }

2. display: inline - works well if the a element is set to display: block:
li { display: inline; }

3. float
li { float: right; }
li { float: left; }

4. vertical align
li a  { vertical-align: bottom; }

5. removing html whitespace
texttext 

Each has merits depending on your needs. Generally I find the display inline
or float options to work best.

HTH
Russ



> I tried changing the line-height but it never worked? Hmm still no luck
> unfortunately. Anybody else have a solution?
> 
> Thanks though Jan
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[WSG] Any User Interface Developer out there?

[Chmielewski, Michael \(AU - Melbourne\)]

Title: Message



Hello 
all,
 
I posted a 
employment opportunity in the resources section of the WSG site a few weeks ago 
and haven't heard a peep.
So I thought I'd 
send out a posting as well to see if anyone knew of a UI developer that is 
looking for work.
We're looking 
for someone in Melbourne that would be available for 2-3 months work, starting in the next couple of weeks.
The full description 
can be found here:http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/job440.cfm
 
Many 
thanks,
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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Andrew Hawthorne]

try this out,
Add this:  #btmain a { text-indent:-9000px; text-decoration:none; }
and remove this: span { display:none; }
you can remove the spans from your markup as well.
This works in IE6, Moz, and FF.
The problem is the span rule. Why? IE is crazy... ;)
You can see this by commenting the span rule and refreshing the page. 
The mystery margins are gone!

Andrew
  

Josef Dunne wrote:
I tried changing the line-height but it never worked? Hmm still no luck
unfortunately. Anybody else have a solution?
Thanks though Jan 

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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Stuart Homfray]

Josef Dunne wrote:
Thanks though, does anyone else have a solution to this problem?
I would HOPE that someone could come up with a cleaner solution, but I 
could only do it by feeding IE alternate declarations for your 'span' rule:

span {
  display:none;
  _text-indent: -999px;
  _display:inline;
}
(the underscore hack used here for speed!)
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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Josef Dunne wrote:
Does anybody know why this is happening in IE?
It's reserving space for something that isn't there.
http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/
li {display: inline;}
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RE: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Josef Dunne]

I tried changing the line-height but it never worked? Hmm still no luck
unfortunately. Anybody else have a solution?

Thanks though Jan 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jan Brasna
Sent: 05 May 2005 18:55
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

> Hi this never worked, neither did closing up all the whitespace.

Hm, then it might be something with line-height.

#btmain ul {
   padding: 0;
   margin: 0;
   list-style-type: none;
   line-height: 1em;
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RE: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Peter Firminger]

You guys really should be adding all these to the WSG resources area (if
they are not already there).

That way people can check there first before asking on list. This is exactly
what the resources section of the website was designed for.

Log into the site and select "Add resource link" from the members home page
and type away.

Before asking for a resource like that, take a look at the wealth of
information in http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/

For this particular topic, see
http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resourcecat34.cfm

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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Jan Brasna]

Hi this never worked, neither did closing up all the whitespace.
Hm, then it might be something with line-height.
#btmain ul {
  padding: 0;
  margin: 0;
  list-style-type: none;
  line-height: 1em;
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RE: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Drake, Ted C.]

Don't forget the free version for those quick color samples.
www.colorschemer.com/online

Combine this with the colorzilla extension for firefox and you've got some
nifty color tools at your hand. http://www.iosart.com/firefox/colorzilla/

And, go to the library and read J. Itten's color theory book to find out why
things look good or not.

Ted

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

Colorschemer Studio isn't free, but it's not real expensive either, and 
it does a very nice job with several options of color scheme selections, 
such as monochromatic, triad, tetrad, analogous, etc.  Very visual, and 
schemes can be saved for use later.

http://www.colorschemer.com

Leslie

>You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
>similar colors (colors that go well with the color you spied)? Free
>would be best..
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Leslie Riggs]

Colorschemer Studio isn't free, but it's not real expensive either, and 
it does a very nice job with several options of color scheme selections, 
such as monochromatic, triad, tetrad, analogous, etc.  Very visual, and 
schemes can be saved for use later.

http://www.colorschemer.com
Leslie
You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
similar colors (colors that go well with the color you spied)? Free
would be best..
 

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RE: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Josef Dunne]

Hi this never worked, neither did closing up all the whitespace.

Thanks though, does anyone else have a solution to this problem?

Thanks

Joey 

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Subject: Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

Try setting margin and padding to 0 in #btmain

parker
http://webdesign.parkertorrence.com

On 5/5/05, Josef Dunne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> Hi everyone,
>   
> I have a CSS/IE problem
>   
> I am trying to create a list on the left of this page. But as you can 
> see in Firefox it works fine, but in IE it creates spaces below each 
>  tag? Does anybody know why this is happening in IE?
>   
> http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/ - Problem Page (View in IE) 
> http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/css/shell.css - CSS for page.
>   
> Many thanks
>   
> Joey
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Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Krassy]

--- Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use ColorZilla +
>


That's a good one...

I believe I had posted my Color Scheme Tools links to
the list before, but since you asked, here it is
again:

http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/2004/06/color-scheme-tools.html

Cheers,
Krassy



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Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[john]

I use one at http://www.colorschemer.com/online.html -- recommended 
recently on this list, I believe.

~john
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on 5/5/2005 5:16 PM Greg Morphis said the following:
You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
similar colors (colors that go well with the color you spied)? Free
would be best..

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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Jan Brasna]

Transform

 ..
 ..

into

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Re: [WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Parker Torrence]

Try setting margin and padding to 0 in #btmain

parker
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On 5/5/05, Josef Dunne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> Hi everyone, 
>   
> I have a CSS/IE problem 
>   
> I am trying to create a list on the left of this page. But as you can see in
> Firefox it works fine, but in IE it creates spaces below each  tag? Does
> anybody know why this is happening in IE? 
>   
> http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/ - Problem Page (View in IE) 
> http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/css/shell.css - CSS for page. 
>   
> Many thanks 
>   
> Joey
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Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Greg Morphis]

Yeah, I really like that one too. I can use a color spy and get a hex
value and plug it into that and get a few difference variances.
Thanks!

On 5/5/05, Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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[WSG] IE CSS Gap Problem? Anybody have a solution?

[Josef Dunne]

Hi 
everyone,
 
I have a CSS/IE 
problem
 
I am trying to 
create a list on the left of this page. But as you can see in Firefox it works 
fine, but in IE it creates spaces below each  tag? Does anybody know 
why this is happening in IE?
 
http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/ - 
Problem Page (View in IE)
http://dev.blumedia.co.uk/pp/css/shell.css - 
CSS for page.
 
Many 
thanks
 
Joey

Re: [WSG] Any good color spies?

[Jan Brasna]

I use ColorZilla + 
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[WSG] Any good color spies?

[Greg Morphis]

You guys know of any good tools which has a color spy and also shows
similar colors (colors that go well with the color you spied)? Free
would be best..


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Re: [WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Jan Brasna]

But seriously, I have no idea what the use _can_ be.
Well, I can't make anything up at the moment, but it could be something 
like em-sized vecor logotype etc.

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RE: [WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Patrick Lauke]

> Rob Mientjes

> But seriously, I have no idea what the use _can_ be.

If the resized image is smoothed by the browser before being
displayed, and the original image is only meant to be an
abstract, mood type background, then this could be useful
within reason. But yes, only useful in a few limited instances.
Apart from that, I'd say the usefulnes of stretch will come with
fairly good quality, large images, as a way of making them fit
nicely if they only need to be resized a few percent up/down from
their original size.

Patrick

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Re: [WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Rob Mientjes]

On 5/5/05, Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SVG ;)

Jan, I thought we try to pursue a goal here: working stuff in IE too ;)

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Re: [WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Jan Brasna]

In what possible way can you stretch an image, keep it looking good
and save bandwidth?
SVG ;)
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Re: [WSG] font list?

[Thierry Koblentz]

john wrote:
> No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot
> understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they
> view the page.  Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between
> print design and web design.

You may want to look into sIFR:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/articles/sifr_demo.html

Not for a whole document, but atleast for the headings.

HTH,
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Re: [WSG] font list?

[Shane Shepherd]

Hello John,

I frequently use CodeStyle as a reference:

http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml

Shane

> john wrote:
>> Hello, everybody.
>>
>> Not specifically related to standards, but I hope this is a simply
>> enough question that somebody can respond.
>>
>> No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot
>> understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they view
>> the page.  Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between print
>> design and web design.
>>
>> What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are
>> recommended for web design.  It would be nice if there were some kind of
>> PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him online if
>> need be.
>>
>> Does such a chart exist?
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Rob Mientjes]

On 5/5/05, Julián Landerreche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> just curiosity:
> Will it be possible (in CSS3) to change the dimension (width, height) of
> a background image directly from the stylesheet?

There's work on 'stretch'. Read the draft to know more.

> So, you can use a tiny image to create a whole screen background by
> stretching it from the CSS... and save a lot of bandwith...

In what possible way can you stretch an image, keep it looking good
and save bandwidth? The only possible thing I can imagine can be done
with 'repeat', so tell me what you actually want to achieve.
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[WSG] background image size in future CSS

[Julián Landerreche]

Hello everybody,
just curiosity:
Will it be possible (in CSS3) to change the dimension (width, height) of 
a background image directly from the stylesheet?

I have read that it will be possible to add multiple background images, 
but i was thinking the idea of using little images and stretch them in 
the background (as width and height attributes does in  tag).

So, you can use a tiny image to create a whole screen background by 
stretching it from the CSS... and save a lot of bandwith...

Excuse my poor english.
Julián Landerreche
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Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

soft tester wrote:
Is there any standard for browsers like web standards ?
Think that was the idea behind W3C standards -- originally.
Is there Any idea to standardise web browser lik web standard 
websites or limit the browser to solve these web standard problems?
None working.
regards
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Re: [WSG] font list?

[Nick Gleitzman]

On 5 May 2005, at 8:30 PM, john wrote:
What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are 
recommended for web design.  It would be nice if there were some kind 
of PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him 
online if need be.

Google: "web-safe fonts"
N
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Re: [WSG] font list?

[Neerav]

what you need is:
http://www.visibone.com/font/tests.html
http://www.visibone.com/font/FontResults.html :-)
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john wrote:
Hello, everybody.
Not specifically related to standards, but I hope this is a simply 
enough question that somebody can respond.

No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot 
understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they view 
the page.  Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between print 
design and web design.

What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are 
recommended for web design.  It would be nice if there were some kind of 
PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him online if 
need be.

Does such a chart exist?
Thanks.
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[WSG] font list?

[john]

Hello, everybody.
Not specifically related to standards, but I hope this is a simply 
enough question that somebody can respond.

No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot 
understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they view 
the page.  Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between print 
design and web design.

What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are 
recommended for web design.  It would be nice if there were some kind of 
PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him online if 
need be.

Does such a chart exist?
Thanks.
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RE: [WSG] Headings within Navigation

[Jamie Mason]

Title: RE: [WSG] Headings within  Navigation





Thanks all,
I've been doing it purely for strucural reasons rather than presentational.


The thought behind it was (all invented in my head);


+ hey, maybe it'll help give some more things for search engines to grab onto
+ maybe screen reader users can tab the nav by headers too, possibly helping as there's an 'alternative route'


Do you think the above is achieved? Is the 2nd point actually making it worse for these users?


Thanks again,



Jamie


-Original Message-
From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 05 May 2005 08:10
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Headings within  Navigation


HI


While h1 is allowed in li according to
http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/h1.html, it's not the same way that you are suggesting.. if you want to markup text to be emphasised used em or strong.

h1-h6 are headings for content


You would be better of using descendant selectors here to avoid bloat


My list

hello
level2




ul
{
/* styles */
}


ul li ul li
{
/* i think this will catch the 2nd level  -could even do an li li to be less specific and catch ol's */ }


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Re: [WSG] liquid 3-column layout - my head is spinning

[soft tester]

Is there any standard for browsers like web standards ?
Is there Any idea to standardise web browser lik web standard websites
or limit the browser to solve these web standard problems?
 
Jalal
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Re: [WSG] Headings within Navigation

[James Ellis]

HI

While h1 is allowed in li according to
http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/h1.html, it's not the same
way that you are suggesting.. if you want to markup text to be
emphasised used em or strong.
h1-h6 are headings for content

You would be better of using descendant selectors here to avoid bloat

My list

hello
level2



ul
{
/* styles */
}

ul li ul li
{
/* i think this will catch the 2nd level  -could even do an li li to
be less specific and catch ol's */
}

Cheers
James
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