RE: [WSG] Dragon Way (Site Check)
Title: Dragon Way (Site Check) Firstly, congratulations on putting together a site that is well structured with the headings etc. My comments relate more to the usability and accessibility aspects. : : Thank you for your comments Graham, some excellent points and ones which I hope to address. I totally agree about images off etc. but this is what the client wants? As for the dolls, yup, you don't know what they mean until you mouse over, I like that term, mystery meat :-)
RE: [WSG] Dragon Way (Site Check)
I viewed it on a variety of browsers on PC. Technically, I guess, the client is correct: the text isn't centerd. The entire image is centered in the window. Since the logo on the left is a drawing, the actual text - Dragon Way - is visually off to the right. And because of the color difference between logo and text, the text part seems (to me) to be heavier and draws my eye more, so it isn't 'centered.' Sorry, my mistake on #1 not explaining it fully. The graphic should be centered :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Validators
Geoff Pack wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but their CSS validator is not available for download. Topstyle, either freeware or paid version will do validation. But only by loading the .css file and selecting which version (css1, css2, TV profile, etc.) you want. Maybe the paid version can do batch checking, but not sure as I only use the freeware version. http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/index.asp Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] xhtml doctypes and charsets-thank you
Hi Everyone, Thank you all so much for the great information, that helped a lot. I agree with those of you who said that one could stay with html, of course as long as one uses clean and valid code :) Thanks again Lisa At 11:03 AM 11/25/2005, you wrote: I guess I am wondering what the current debate is about xhtml, after reading articles like this one: http://www.autisticcuckoo.net/archive.php?id=2005/04/08/doctype-declaration-and-content-type-headers Lisa ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Rob Griffin is out of the office.
I will be out of the office starting 11/28/2005 and will not return until 12/01/2005. Im out of the office, but will be checking emails off and on. Cheers, rob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page break up
Lachlan Hunt said: I did mention that whitespace could not follow the MDO. My apologies you did indeed say that. The fact remains, that while it may be malformed and bad pratice becuase it invites errors - comments can be terminated early or not at all, a comment in this format is not invalid HTML: !-- this is a valid comment ending in 2 hyphens.-- -- browser support is limited Browser support is limited for HTML comment syntax? Which browser(s) would that be? kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Input Desired
All, I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with. Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs. here is the address of the old site: http://teagarden.biz/index.htm The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx-- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m)617-249-1539 fax
Re: [WSG] CSS Validators
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 12:42 +1100, Geoff Pack wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but their CSS validator is not available for download. Cheers Geoff Pack Is there a problem with this: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Input Desired
hello, nice work, but instead of scaling the entire masthead image why not just have the images float over to the right? and then the brown background under the the text image would getwider? -best kvnmcwebn
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Hi Mark, First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the width and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like they are on the logo). A quick scan of your code, replace your b tags with strong, change your br tags like br / to close them, same with the image tags img src=/whatever becomes img src=/whatever / Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it in the W3C validator. From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also make that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers gifts for the holidays and tea talks up to match the top of the navigation box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit more and make it look more attractive. Samuel www.geminidevelopment.com.au Mark Arnold wrote: All, I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with. Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs. here is the address of the old site: http://teagarden.biz/index.htm The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Yep. the masthead has been bugging me out. I decided to create one single image comprised of four separate gifs (i.e. the text with the brown background is a single gif). If I float right like originally planned would it not be off centered. The site owner wants the image to span the entire page.On 11/28/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, nice work, but instead of scaling the entire masthead image why not just have the images float over to the right? and then the brown background under the the text image would getwider? -best kvnmcwebn -- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m)617-249-1539 fax
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Samuel, I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has been nagging at me (i.e. on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once over. MarkOn 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark,First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the widthand height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not matchthe ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like they are on the logo).A quick scan of your code, replace your b tags with strong, changeyour br tags like br / to close them, same with the image tags imgsrc="" becomes img src="" / Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctypeetc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking itin the W3C validator. From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also makethat nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers giftsfor the holidays and tea talks up to match the top of the navigation box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit moreand make it look more attractive.Samuelwww.geminidevelopment.com.auMark Arnold wrote: All, I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with. Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs. here is the address of the old site: http://teagarden.biz/index.htm The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m)617-249-1539 fax
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Mark Arnold wrote: hoping for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here? Have an unscaled foreground image of your logo, placed over a background image that tiles out to the edges of your screen, so it looks like there's a single image. Eg, http://www.e.govt.nz/ .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/docvert Convert MSWord to OpenDocument to any HTML or XML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htmhttp://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.csshttp://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx A few quick impressions and suggestions: Add a doctype declaration at the top [1] Validate your html [2] and css [3] For margins and such, start with PIE [4] I find the text (particularly in the side navigation) too small I'd prefer a sans serif font for the nav links and for the text in your header There is not enough contrast between the link text colour and the background Note that Samuel's comment about changing br to br / will depend on your doctype choice. If you go with html then those can stay how they are. However, you might want to create the spacing and effects you desire through your css, rather than manipulating your code for presentational purposes. (I'm on a Mac using Firefox 1.07, btw) Cheers, Damian [1] http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html [2] http://validator.w3.org/ [3] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ [4] http://www.positioniseverything.net/ -- -- Damian Sweeney Learning Skills Adviser (online) Language and Learning Skills Unit Instructional Designer, AIRport Project Equity, Language and Learning Programs University of Melbourne 723 Swanston St Parkville 3010 www.services.unimelb.edu.au/ellp/ www.services.unimelb.edu.au/llsu/ airport.unimelb.edu.au/ ph 03 8344 9370, fax 03 9349 1039 This email and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this email is received in error please delete it and notify us by return email or by phoning (03) 8344 9370. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Mark, Well, if they insist on a spanning image then I'd find four or five of the images they like then turn joing them together and turn it into a tiling background image, that way no matter how wide the page gets their will always be images in the header, then you can fix the logo in the top left and just have the repeating images run underneath it. Samuel Mark Arnold wrote: Samuel, I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has been nagging at me (i.e. on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once over. Mark On 11/28/05, *Samuel Richardson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the width and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like they are on the logo). A quick scan of your code, replace your b tags with strong, change your br tags like br / to close them, same with the image tags img src=/whatever becomes img src=/whatever / Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it in the W3C validator. From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also make that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers gifts for the holidays and tea talks up to match the top of the navigation box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit more and make it look more attractive. Samuel www.geminidevelopment.com.au http://www.geminidevelopment.com.au Mark Arnold wrote: All, I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with. Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs. here is the address of the old site: http://teagarden.biz/index.htm The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Validators
On Thu, 2005-11-24 at 12:42 +1100, Geoff Pack wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but their CSS validator is not available for download. Cheers Geoff Pack Is there a problem with this one: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Thx much. I will revert back to that strategy. 'Preciate the support. maOn 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark,Well, if they insist on a spanning image then I'd find four or five ofthe images they like then turn joing them together and turn it into atiling background image, that way no matter how wide the page gets their will always be images in the header, then you can fix the logo in thetop left and just have the repeating images run underneath it.SamuelMark Arnold wrote: Samuel, I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has beennagging at me ( i.e. on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once over. Mark On 11/28/05, *Samuel Richardson* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the width and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like they are on the logo). A quick scan of your code, replace your b tags with strong, change your br tags like br / to close them, same with the image tags img src="" becomes img src="" / Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it in the W3C validator. From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also make that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers gifts for the holidays and tea talks up to match the top of the navigation box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit more and make it look more attractive. Samuel www.geminidevelopment.com.au http://www.geminidevelopment.com.au Mark Arnold wrote: All, I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with. Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs. here is the address of the old site: http://teagarden.biz/index.htm The current redesign and css file: http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site. I welcome all comments. Thx -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chrs, Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax
Re: [WSG] Input Desired
Good deal Damian. I'm open to that suggestion. The font size is certainly not user friendly. I am glad you're out there viewing this on a MAC. I don't have one that I can currently access. Peace, maOn 11/28/05, Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current redesign and css file:http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htmhttp://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.csshttp://teagarden.biz/teagard3.cssI'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site.I welcome all comments. ThxA few quick impressions and suggestions:Add a doctype declaration at the top [1]Validate your html [2] and css [3] For margins and such, start with PIE [4]I find the text (particularly in the side navigation) too smallI'd prefer a sans serif font for the nav links and for the text in your headerThere is not enough contrast between the link text colour and the background Note that Samuel's comment about changing br to br / will dependon your doctype choice. If you go with html then those can stay howthey are. However, you might want to create the spacing and effects you desire through your css, rather than manipulating your code forpresentational purposes.(I'm on a Mac using Firefox 1.07, btw)Cheers,Damian[1] http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html[2] http://validator.w3.org/[3] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/[4] http://www.positioniseverything.net/Damian SweeneyLearning Skills Adviser (online)Language and Learning Skills UnitInstructional Designer, AIRport Project Equity, Language and Learning ProgramsUniversity of Melbourne723 Swanston StParkville 3010www.services.unimelb.edu.au/ellp/ www.services.unimelb.edu.au/llsu/airport.unimelb.edu.au/ph 03 8344 9370, fax 03 9349 1039This email and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject ofcopyright. Any unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of any part ofit is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email orany attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If thisemail is received in error please delete it and notify us by returnemail or by phoning (03) 8344 9370.** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m) 617-249-1539 fax
[WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? - I've only checked the site in Firefox and IE on the PC. If anybody has a mac I'd love for ya to take a quick look at it and let me know if anything is wrong with it. Samuel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
On 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? A problem is see is there is a flash before the new stylesheet is loaded. The page was orange/red and then the javascript happened and it was green. There are ways to have Javascript work before the page loads, one example used for another stylesheet modifier is here: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhide.php Read through it and see if the technique used there could prevent that flash. Or maybe you could do the stylesheet based on the server time and not my computer's time... that would also solve the problem... I mean, it's snowing here... is the page supposed to be green? Or is it because the weather is nice over there? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
Nice styles, although it's a bit too pastel for my taste. I think the stylesheet switch is being done to late. I always see a switch over from autumn to spring. On 11/29/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? - I've only checked the site in Firefox and IE on the PC. If anybody has a mac I'd love for ya to take a quick look at it and let me know if anything is wrong with it. Samuel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Ben Wong e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://blog.onehero.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] CSS Validators
Alan Trick wrote: Is there a problem with this: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html Only that it's written in Java - the server admins here would prefer something else. It looks like we will have to go with it anyway, as we can't find any alternatives. Thanks also for the other responses. We currently use the w3c online validator for sites as we develop them, but we are looking for something that will enable us to trawl though all our content and check it. cheers, Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
I have to say, I felt cheated by your navigation. You've got some big, chunky boxes just ripe for a nice rollover effect and all I got was an underline?!? Am I getting jaded? Spoiled? Is this not the final version? You've done a nice job with the wordpress pages and blog home page. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? - I've only checked the site in Firefox and IE on the PC. If anybody has a mac I'd love for ya to take a quick look at it and let me know if anything is wrong with it. Samuel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
The problem is, it's always going to be a different season for everyone, it doesn't really matter if its set to the server time or not. The only way to get around it would be to do an IP detect to check what hemisphere the user is in. Maybe in the future.. Thanks for the link about the stylesheet switch, I guess doing it in PHP would also fix it too, I wouldn't have to worry about the user the having Javascript enabled. Samuel Christian Montoya wrote: On 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? A problem is see is there is a flash before the new stylesheet is loaded. The page was orange/red and then the javascript happened and it was green. There are ways to have Javascript work before the page loads, one example used for another stylesheet modifier is here: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhide.php Read through it and see if the technique used there could prevent that flash. Or maybe you could do the stylesheet based on the server time and not my computer's time... that would also solve the problem... I mean, it's snowing here... is the page supposed to be green? Or is it because the weather is nice over there? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You are determining the season from the Month and Day. This is constant across the globe (give or take) at any specific time. Therefore can't you use PHP or some other server script tool or even just a manual replacing of the stylesheet periodically to reflect the current season? I don't know whether JS can detect local region settings? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: 29 November 2005 00:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique The problem is, it's always going to be a different season for everyone, it doesn't really matter if its set to the server time or not. The only way to get around it would be to do an IP detect to check what hemisphere the user is in. Maybe in the future.. Thanks for the link about the stylesheet switch, I guess doing it in PHP would also fix it too, I wouldn't have to worry about the user the having Javascript enabled. Samuel Christian Montoya wrote: On 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? A problem is see is there is a flash before the new stylesheet is loaded. The page was orange/red and then the javascript happened and it was green. There are ways to have Javascript work before the page loads, one example used for another stylesheet modifier is here: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhide.php Read through it and see if the technique used there could prevent that flash. Or maybe you could do the stylesheet based on the server time and not my computer's time... that would also solve the problem... I mean, it's snowing here... is the page supposed to be green? Or is it because the weather is nice over there? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page break up
Terrence Wood wrote: a comment in this format is not invalid HTML: !-- this is a valid comment ending in 2 hyphens.-- -- If it's not followed by another '--' later in the document with no extra '--' in between, then yes it is an invalid comment declaration. Where on earth did you get the idea that it is valid? The validator will certainly issue an error for that: Error unterminated comment: found end of entity inside comment Browser support is limited for HTML comment syntax? Which browser(s) would that be? IE/Win, for one, plus some (if not all) browsers in quirks mode. Also, at the time the spec was written, I seriously doubt NN4 and other browsers of that era supported them either.See the acid 2 test in IE, notice where it says ERROR on the page (near the bottom left corner). http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html Also see the the different comment parsing modes in Mozilla (pick a DOCTYPE that triggers standards mode and compare with one that triggers quirks mode) http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/quirks/doctypes.html View the same tests in IE, and it will always show that comment parsing is in quirks mode -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
If you read the month of december as being summer its true for the southern hemisphere but not the northen, to do it properly you would have to detect the hemisphere then choose to load either summer or winter based on where the user is. I've just switched it over to PHP based system now, it still won't help but it fixes the flash that was happening when the page loads. Samuel Stephen Stagg wrote: Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You are determining the season from the Month and Day. This is constant across the globe (give or take) at any specific time. Therefore can't you use PHP or some other server script tool or even just a manual replacing of the stylesheet periodically to reflect the current season? I don't know whether JS can detect local region settings? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: 29 November 2005 00:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique The problem is, it's always going to be a different season for everyone, it doesn't really matter if its set to the server time or not. The only way to get around it would be to do an IP detect to check what hemisphere the user is in. Maybe in the future.. Thanks for the link about the stylesheet switch, I guess doing it in PHP would also fix it too, I wouldn't have to worry about the user the having Javascript enabled. Samuel Christian Montoya wrote: On 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, it's my turn for a site critique: http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/ What I'm worried about: - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a problem with this? A problem is see is there is a flash before the new stylesheet is loaded. The page was orange/red and then the javascript happened and it was green. There are ways to have Javascript work before the page loads, one example used for another stylesheet modifier is here: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhide.php Read through it and see if the technique used there could prevent that flash. Or maybe you could do the stylesheet based on the server time and not my computer's time... that would also solve the problem... I mean, it's snowing here... is the page supposed to be green? Or is it because the weather is nice over there? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
Sorry didn't read the thread properly. If you did do the season check in a PHP script, the hostip.info project may be able to help. A query such as: http://api.hostip.info/country.php?ip=.bbb.ccc.ddd will give you a country code which could then be used to guess the season. Stephen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: 29 November 2005 00:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You are determining the season from the Month and Day. This is constant across the globe (give or take) at any specific time. Therefore can't you use PHP or some other server script tool or even just a manual replacing of the stylesheet periodically to reflect the current season? I don't know whether JS can detect local region settings? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
I'm not too bothered about it, hopefully it'll encourage someone living in England to by a trip to Australia through the site once they see how nice the summer looks.. :D Stephen Stagg wrote: Sorry didn't read the thread properly. If you did do the season check in a PHP script, the hostip.info project may be able to help. A query such as: http://api.hostip.info/country.php?ip=.bbb.ccc.ddd will give you a country code which could then be used to guess the season. Stephen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: 29 November 2005 00:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You are determining the season from the Month and Day. This is constant across the globe (give or take) at any specific time. Therefore can't you use PHP or some other server script tool or even just a manual replacing of the stylesheet periodically to reflect the current season? I don't know whether JS can detect local region settings? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
I could be missing the whole point completely here, but if you are showing information on travel to Australia, and all things related, then shouldn't the season in Australia be reflected on the site? People know what season it is and what the weather is like where they are - it's where they're going they want to know about. Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com Samuel Richardson wrote If you read the month of december as being summer its true for the southern hemisphere but not the northen, to do it properly you would have to detect the hemisphere then choose to load either summer or winter based on where the user is. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
On 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not too bothered about it, hopefully it'll encourage someone living in England to by a trip to Australia through the site once they see how nice the summer looks.. :D Considering how cold it is here, seeing that summer yellow and the beach and bikini makes me want to buy a ticket. Nice job. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
It is, it should currently be showing summer.. Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions wrote: I could be missing the whole point completely here, but if you are showing information on travel to Australia, and all things related, then shouldn't the season in Australia be reflected on the site? People know what season it is and what the weather is like where they are - it's where they're going they want to know about. Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com Samuel Richardson wrote If you read the month of december as being summer its true for the southern hemisphere but not the northen, to do it properly you would have to detect the hemisphere then choose to load either summer or winter based on where the user is. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
For what it's worth, I've written a script linked to the hostip.info database and a local dataset of country latitudes to guess the current season. It's very rough and ready and you can check it out here: http://www.minimology.co.uk/geol.php It was quite an interesting little project actually and I think I'll incorporate it into my website as a bit of random eye-candy. If you want the source then I can post it here or e-mail it to you. Stephen. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page break up
On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 00:25 -0400, Jay Gilmore wrote: Lori, I am going to suggest that you download Firefox or Mozilla to develop with. You will find that IE is too forgiving and allows errors to fall through the cracks by trying to render the page vs. not parsing invalid code. IE is forgiving! But it just murdered all my poor, innocent floats :( Alan Trick __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Validators
On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Alan Trick wrote: Is there a problem with this: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html Only that it's written in Java - the server admins here would prefer something else. It looks like we will have to go with it anyway, as we can't find any alternatives. Thanks also for the other responses. We currently use the w3c online validator for sites as we develop them, but we are looking for something that will enable us to trawl though all our content and check it. I've been thinking about integrating the w3c css validator with WebLight for quite some time. That would give you what you want a crawling css validator. Wish it was done now. I just built the validator, it's kind of a pain. I'll post a binary tommorow. Cheers, Steve Ferguson - Developer WebLight http://illumit.com/weblight cheers, Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page break up
Lachlan Hunt said: Terrence Wood wrote: a comment in this format is not invalid HTML: !-- this is a valid comment ending in 2 hyphens.-- -- If it's not followed by another '--' later in the document with no extra '--' in between, then yes it is an invalid comment declaration. Where on earth did you get the idea that it is valid? where indeed ;-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Call for Site Check
Just re-worked my photography site: www.focusontheclouds.com and wanted to get your opinions. I've strayed into new territory - opting for a slightly-risky, dark background instead of sticking with a classic white background. I'm interested to hear if you think it works... Development has been mostly on the PC, so Mac users, let me know if you run into any obvious problems. Everything should be working good in Firefox and Opera - only thing that is missing in IE is the hover effect for photo lists. Looking forward to your input and thanks for your help! -Matt Harris www.focusontheclouds.com
RE: [WSG] Call for Site Check
It looks great on FF/Win. If anything, I would suggest that the overall page background be made even darker to bring out the Blue/Orange a bit. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Harris Sent: 29 November 2005 05:09 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Call for Site Check Just re-worked my photography site: www.focusontheclouds.com and wanted to get your opinions. I've strayed into new territory - opting for a slightly-risky, dark background instead of sticking with a classic white background. I'm interested to hear if you think it works... Development has been mostly on the PC, so Mac users, let me know if you run into any obvious problems. Everything should be working good in Firefox and Opera - only thing that is missing in IE is the hover effect for photo lists. Looking forward to your input and thanks for your help! -Matt Harris www.focusontheclouds.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Call for Site Check
Matt Harris wrote: Just re-worked my photography site: www.focusontheclouds.com and wanted to get your opinions. One point: white text on white background doesn't work well with images off. Think you should give it a dark blue background-color too. Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Call for Site Check
cool site, just a minor observation, the strong orange color is used alot, on main links, heads so on. Maybe throw another color into the mix to differentiate between hyperlinks and heads. maybe FFCC00, -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Just re-worked my photography site: www.focusontheclouds.com and wanted to get your opinions. Congrats, very nice design ;) Daniele http://www.gizax.it
[WSG] Margins and floats
Hi all,
I have been trying to fix a simple 2 col layout for a client. Maybe I'm
tired but couldn't get it to resize in both ie and firefox without float
drop, menu is left side. Nothing worked including right margins.
Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right side
menu 67% left.
#content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px;
}
#links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?
Thanks
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
www.bkdesign.ca
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