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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Andrew Stewart

Do a search for something small to medium scale, for instance a  
doctor's surgery, a restaurant, a musician, a theatre etc. (I guess a  
large proportion of internet searches are for things like this). Now  
have a look at the number one entry returned in your search engine and  
examine the head. In my experience it probably won't have any meta  
data, and yet there it was at the top of the list.


There is so much great content out there presented in terrible ways  
and the success of search engines is that they are able to  
interoperate all that mess and return relevant results to people's  
searches. Part of me feels that most SEO is a bit of a waste of time -  
if you have good content, the search engines are clever enough that  
they will find it. I am not saying that you should put barriers  
between your content and the search engines, but maybe all the time  
and effort you spend forming the correct keywords would be better  
spent improving the quality of your content.


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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Marie-Laure Bouchet

There's some interesting info and referenced articles on this Sitepoint 
blog concerning HTML5

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/07/24/google-html5-and-standards/

Don't feel totally comfortable with Google setting standards 'by 
default' to suit their operational requirements...but maybe that's 'old 
school' thinking now ;-)


cheers

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[WSG] Re: The of the document [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-07-23 Thread Andrew . Remely

This might be pushing this slight off ‘standard’.
I noticed the question asked about headers and ‘good search ranking’. In 
respect to the  tag one of the most useful and simple optimisation 
for search is a clear and descriptive title. This is often what users use 
to make decisions on the relevance of different search results.
Recently I’ve been doing some benchmarking testing of an intranet search. 
One of the things that was working against good ‘discoverability’ was 
misleading or meaningless titles. Worst still there were multiple pages 
with similar titles. Also worth checking that you’ve got this sorted out 
for other things like PDF, .doc etc as most search engine index this 
content as well. I think a few content people weren’t that wrapped when I 
suggested that most of the problem with search were content related and 
not in the application.
And finally the “charset=utf-8" declaration. I would have thought that it 
is more important that the declaration matches the encoding you’ve used in 
the HTML? So if you're going with UTF make sure your page is actually UTF 
eps. any special characters. If using something like ISO then declare ISO 
etc.

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RE: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Chabot, Elliot

At the web shop for the U.S. House of Representatives, we recommend that
our offices use Dublin Core and a number of other  tags.  The
specific tags that we recommend are set out at
http://cao.house.gov/web-standards/best-practices.pdf#page=186. 

 

Elliot 

 



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Subject: [WSG] The  of the document

 

Hi all,

 

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header
of their document? What is best practice for:

 

- Good search engine rankings

- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?) 

- Do we need robots - all anymore?

- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)

- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?

- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

 

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone
offer what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful
links:

 

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 
  


 

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[WSG] IE8 and testing for Accessibility & 508 Compliancy

2009-07-23 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)

Hello,
Could anyone please give me information about IE8 and testing for
accessibility and 508 compliancy? If anyone has links to this
information that would be very helpful too.

Regards,
Kevin


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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Simon Pascal Klein

Good question—I’d like to see what some other responses are. Even with  
the advent of HTML5 I’m still firmly in the XHTML 1.0 Strict camp  
currently and typically add to the  you illustrated:


• 
• 

…along with a few other meta tags for author(s), designer(s),  
developer(s), description and keywords.


Kind regards.


—Pascal



On 23/07/2009, at 10:14 PM, Paul Collins wrote:


Hi all,

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the  
header of their document? What is best practice for:


- Good search engine rankings
- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
- Do we need robots - all anymore?
- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please  
anyone offer what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any  
useful links:


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd 
">
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml 
" xml:lang="en" lang="en">


 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 
media="all"/>



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[WSG] Tracy Gulliksen/ALIC is out of the office.

2009-07-23 Thread TGulliksen


I will be out of the office starting  07/21/2009 and will not return until
07/29/2009.

I will respond to your message when I return.  Thanks!!!
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[WSG] RE: The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Paul Collins

Thanks for your replies everyone...

I didn't know Metadata had any influence at all anymore! Thanks for letting me 
know... Need to get back onto my own sites and add it :)

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Subject: [WSG] RE: The  of the document

Hi Paul

>From an SEO perspective there is great value put on keywords and titles 
>providing they reflect the content within the document.
However if the keywords are over proliferated within the document the index 
engines tend to pick up on this and mark them down as 'suspect'

Content is king!

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Subject: [WSG] The  of the document

Hi all,

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of 
their document? What is best practice for:

- Good search engine rankings
- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
- Do we need robots - all anymore?
- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone offer 
what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 TITLE

Cheers

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RE: [WSG] RE: The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread j...@plaveb

I am agree with Paul's comment, there are numbers of meta tags which need to
be use from SEO point of view. I will describe few here:



-  Google may provide one meta tag to verify your website ownership 

-  Yahoo will also provide the same

-  You can use geo target meta tags into your website if you want to
give more weight for particular region

-  You can use crawl frequency and index/noindex meta tags for
particular page

-  Canonical meta tag will be help you to prevent duplicate content
issue

 

There are other meta tags too , which can be use for particular pages and
particular requirement,

 

Kindly let me know if you need indepth details,

 

Josh Jacobs

Internet marketing head | VITEB

  j...@viteb.com

  http://www.viteb.com

 

 

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Subject: [WSG] RE: The  of the document

 

Hi Paul

 

>From an SEO perspective there is great value put on keywords and titles
providing they reflect the content within the document.

However if the keywords are over proliferated within the document the index
engines tend to pick up on this and mark them down as 'suspect'

 

Content is king!

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [WSG] The  of the document

 

Hi all,

 

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of
their document? What is best practice for:

 

- Good search engine rankings

- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?) 

- Do we need robots - all anymore?

- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)

- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?

- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

 

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone offer
what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:

 

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 
  


 

Cheers

 

 


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[WSG] RE: The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread David Nixon

Hi Paul

>From an SEO perspective there is great value put on keywords and titles 
>providing they reflect the content within the document.
However if the keywords are over proliferated within the document the index 
engines tend to pick up on this and mark them down as 'suspect'

Content is king!





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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] The  of the document

Hi all,

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of 
their document? What is best practice for:

- Good search engine rankings
- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
- Do we need robots - all anymore?
- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone offer 
what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 



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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Gregorio Espadas

Btw, the minimal valid header for *HTML5*:





 Your Title Goes Here 


I really love the simplicity of this.

Cheers

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http://gespadas.com


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Paul Collins wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of
> their document? What is best practice for:
>
> - Good search engine rankings
> - Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
> - Do we need robots - all anymore?
> - Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
> - Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
> - Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!
>
> I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone
> offer what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:
>
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";
> xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
> 
>  
>  
>  TITLE
>  
>  
>  
> 
>
> 
>
> Cheers
>
>
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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

2009/7/23 Paul Collins :
>
> - Good search engine rankings
> - Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
> - Do we need robots - all anymore?
> - Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
> - Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
> - Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!
>

Google pays attention to meta description: see their SEO Starter
Guide, a PDF linked from
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Re: [WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread David Walsh

Hi Paul

I recently read a interview with SEO expert Frank Paul. The gist of the 
interview was that description, title and keywords were just as important today 
as they have ever been. This lead me to go read his website and find out in 
more detail what the interview only skimmed the surface of. any way his site is 
really interesting and offers a lot of free SEO advice.

http://www.smingle.co.uk/freeseoguide/

Cheers
Dave



>>> Paul Collins  23/07/2009 13:14 >>>
Hi all,

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of 
their document? What is best practice for:

- Good search engine rankings
- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
- Do we need robots - all anymore?
- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone offer 
what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 



Cheers




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[WSG] The of the document

2009-07-23 Thread Paul Collins

Hi all,

I'm just curious to know what other people do these days with the header of 
their document? What is best practice for:

- Good search engine rankings
- Best charset for English text (utf-8, right?)
- Do we need robots - all anymore?
- Any Accessibility issues? (Can't think of any)
- Does anyone bother with descriptions, keywords anymore?
- Dublin Core metadata, is that a forgotten fad?!

I'll show you an example of how I setup a standard page, please anyone offer 
what they think is best practice, or perhaps send any useful links:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

 
 
 TITLE
 
 
 



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