Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media
On 5/22/07, Parker, Simi (DPS) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users. Hi Simi, On the Mac side I don't have anything to add over Nick's observations (using Safari 2 with Flip4Mac aswell) On Firefox 2, Windows XP I dont get any media player controls for the video. Can give you more details tomorrow if you want. Otherwise (and I hope you're still working on these :p) - the "Conditions of Access" page showing up every time I try to access a stream is pretty annoying, and unnecessary from my knowledge. Also opening the stream in a new window without warning is a bit annoying. Oh, and displaying the stream information in a textarea seems like a bad idea to me. Otherwise it looks like a very useful service :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] some simple box problems
On 2/27/07, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I havnt been doing my own css for a while-just handing over illustrator files so Im a bit rusty. Im not sure whats going on with this simple 2 column fixed with layout. The problem is the wrapper div is not being expanded by the two nested columns within it. Hi Kevin, Looks like you need to clear the floats: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html Not too sure what's happening with the margins, only had a quick look, maybe try setting margin-top to 0 on the h2 elements. Hope this helps. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing multiple Flash Player versions...
Hi Paul,I use Flash Plugin Switcher:http://www.kewbee.de/produkte/PluginSwitcher.htmlsite is in German, but the help is in English: http://www.kewbee.de/FlashPluginSwitcher/Help/Macromedia/Adobe have a bunch of old versions of the player available for download which you can use with it: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_14266Hope this helps.On 3/21/06, Paul Collins < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all Just wondering if anyone has a clever way of testing multiple Flash players on a single machine? Preferably without having to uninstall. If not, does anyone know of a good place to download earlier versions? Cheers, Paul -- Lindsay Evanshttp://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
On 11/18/05, Patrick Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Faaberg> You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-)So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalidand badly expressed? ;) Yes, please validate your next ramble with one of the W3C's online tools please :pI must admit I've been an avid follower of this thread aswell, and if it weren't for you jumping in with my exact same thoughts Patrick, Id've joined in long ago :) In all seriousness, I see this whole discussion as a Good Thing®, and as long as it doesn't sink to the name calling level it should continue for as long as you guys (and anyone else who cares to jump in) have something pertinent to add. -- Lindsay Evanshttp://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
Hi Andy, Site looks great, nice and clean. And don't listen to any of these 'the font is too big' comments, it's just about perfect for my aging eyes (great, now I feel old :) Two things that jumped out at me: * I kind of expected the entire green background of the navigation items to be clickable, not a biggy though. * The 'clear' part of the 'clear:left' text in the body seems to jump out a bit - not neccesarily a bad thing for branding, but it does get a bit distracting on pages that have it occuring a few times. Maybe dropping the colour down a notch (to about #333) in the main content would help. On 9/21/05, Andy Budd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks,We've just launched our new company website, and would love yourfeedback.http://www.clearleft.com/-- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/
Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised
Hi Paul, You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped off about half way down? Try changing to On 8/18/05, Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only > seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the > browser window's icon. > > I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a > solution. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes
Hi Sarah,
The easiest way to achieve this is by sticking an ID attribute on your
body elements, eg.
Then targetting it in your CSS like so:
body#page1 {background-color:#fff;}
body#page2 {background-color:#ffc;}
On 7/19/05, Sarah Peeke (XERT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
> background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.
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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height
Hi Marco, Faux Columns <http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/> are probably your best bet. On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two > grey columns to be the same height? > It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the > shorter column to have extra empty space > to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:52:15 -0800, Andreas Boehmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit > button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word > "Search" followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them > and the form will submit. I usually just style a normal with a background image. Netscape 4 etc. won't get the image, but it will still work. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml
Your two example pages look identical to me. Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:49 +0100, JohnyB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to > the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html > element instead of the body element, but I just want to ask in general - > is this difference a standard behavior and a standard interpretation of > the XML parser? -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:43:28 -0500, Jonathan T. Sage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone has any information on how to fix #2, I'd also love to hear > it. Hope this proves to be a good read! Try removing the CDATA delimeters & adding the XHTML namespace to the BODYTEXT element: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";> ... -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] DOM and Standard
Hi Berry, Not really much out there on theory, but Gecko has a pretty compliant DOM implementation. The Gecko DOM Reference: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/ The Mozilla Object Reference: http://mozref.com/ On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:33:27 -0500, berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks, but I already found this link. What I was looking for was theory. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
On the topic of CSS versions, this would be *very* invalid under CSS2.1 as it currently stands, as they've removed @font-face support - apparently because of a lack of implementations [1] It *is* fine in CSS3 though, through the web fonts module [2] 1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Oct/0154.html 2. http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/#referencing On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:59:09 +1100, Lachlan Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As Dejan and Christian indicated, the validator automatically assumes > use of CSS 2.0 > > However, using the advanced interface allows you to choose which version > you would like to validate against. In the case of Lindsay's site, > validating against CSS 3.0 removes some of the errors - the > "pseudo-element such-and-such can't appear here in the context css2" > > Unfortunately, the validator does not yet offer the option of validating > against CSS 2.1. Anyone know when this is likely to happen? > > Although, I don't believe that would have any effect on use of -moz > properties anyway -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
No Flash, works with scripting turned off, text is selectable (yes, I know you can select the individual sIFR bits, but that just ain't the same :)), colours, size, etc. are easily manipulated via. CSS, probably has a better chance of being understood by screenreaders that are in use today. I'm sure there are ways around it in sIFR, but from what I can see it doesn't scale the text according to user font size preferences, or obey user style sheets. Plus it just doesn't feel as 'hacky' to me :) Anyway, it's just an idea, if you want more control over typography, then go with sIFR (or get Quark & start doing print design :p) On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:38:42 +0100, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to be somewhat annoying: what are the advantages of your method > over sIFR2? Despite (or thanks to) its dependancy on Flash, it has a > broader support (IE/mac, Opera, Gecko, Safari). If I would be a frantic > typography guy, I'd use sIFR. ;-) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:54:36 +, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You forgot to close the second comment. Ooops, thanks. Fixed now. The perils of copy n' paste :p > Fundamentally though, unless I'm > missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get > duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered, > regardless of the font embedding not working (as you also provided > fallback fonts). Additionally, I seem to be getting the image on its own > line, and the normal text on the following one. As I said, maybe I'm > missing something... Hmm, you're quite right. It *does* work in Firefox, I must've just left something important out, probably a height or something along those lines. That's what I get for throwing things together in a rush :) I'll fix when I get home. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2
In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest & greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug Bowman or someone does :p Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically questionable uses of CSS, etc. Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend: http://lindsayevans.com/ Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored with it & started redesigning yet again. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:32:56 +1000, Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did I miss anything imprtant? Yes. A 'z' in: http://www.mezoblue.com/ :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:13:17 +1000, Geoff Deering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think this is a weakness and failing in the CSS spec. I feel designers > should be able to assign any (relevant) ASCII character or Special Character > set to list elements. > They should have added this in the CSS spec. They did. See the :before pseudo element and the content property: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q11 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q12 Of course, certain browsers don't implement these features at all, which makes them kinda useless in most cases, but they do exist. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] onClick question
Hi Ted, In XHTML, all tag names & attributes must be lowercase, if you change it to 'onclick' it should validate fine. On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:35:48 -0700, Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm getting an error message when I try to validate this page: > http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/packinglist.do > > From the W3C validation service: > > Line 514, column 40: there is no attribute "onClick" > Click here... -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] forms and SSL
Hi Chris, I just did a quick test using Ethereal <http://ethereal.com/>, and it looks like the browser requests the server's certificate, then encrypts the data that it is sending. Using Firefox 0.9.3 & Internet Explorer 6. Of course, if you're intending to put this into practice somewhere, I'd suggest a bit more testing :) As for your next question, I don't think it's possible to send cleartext over HTTPS at all. (mind you, I'm not the worlds greatest authority on HTTPS, so I might be wrong :p) On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:25:13 +1000, Chris Blown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A discussion popped up here recently, and though its not really specific > to web standards, I still think its worthy of a bit of discussion on the > list. > > If you have a form that is served via standard http with its action set > to a https server, then one assumes that the UA will send an encrypted > post request. Or does it? -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review
Jeff wrote: > Hi Razvan > I'd only pick up 2 thinks to include: > 1. /> - or another appropriate character set. Then Kay wrote: > Isn't this only an issue if your server is not sending the > encoding in the headers? Correct. There is no need to specify a content-type meta tag in your HTML if your webserver is sending the correct HTTP headers, as seoed.com seems to be doing: Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-2 is exactly what it sounds like: an equivalent to a HTTP header /me thinks about doing a WSG HTTP presentation for about the 1000th time -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <> wrote: > Great idea, but i can't get it to work - > > Have tried > > window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = ' "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" \n > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>'; > > and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode. > > Any ideas or working examples of a doctype change? You're able to access the doctype through the document.doctype attribute, but I'm pretty sure it's read-only :| > > Also other browsers are returning the html tag not the doctype as the > first node in the document. As they should. The doctype isn't a child node of document (IE in quirks mode probably gets that wrong tho). Had a quick scout around and found this (French): http://darkmag.net/darkBlog/index.php/2004/01/06/4-GenerationDePagesWebL otusNotesConformesAuxStandardsDuW3c Seems to be something about adding the doctype to the HTTP headers output by the server, might be of use to you. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] quotes on q tag
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How are people handling putting quotes on q tags?
> I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had
> quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach?
> I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting
> q {
> quotes: none;
> }
> didnt seem to affect the compliant browsers.
This works in Firefox 0.8, no idea about other browsers:
q:before, q:after {
content: "";
}
> Lea
> ~ and if anyone can tell me what to call the little blocks of
> text that
> are pulled out and the surrounding paragraph wraps around it,
> I will be
> forever in your debt! Makes googling difficult when you can't remember
> what the silly things are called
Pull quotes?
http://desktoppub.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-pullquote.htm
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RE: [WSG] Correct way to swap style sheets based on Browser?
There is a good table showing which browsers support which CSS 'hacks' here: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks Ryan, > > I was not aware of the @import and that it's invisible to NN4 > > Are there any other browsers its invisible to? Anyone? -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Hi I'm new here
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, Hi Rick, welcome to the group! > Is there a searchable archive of this list so I can sort of > get my bearings since I'm new here? Sure, go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/ and use the 'Members Login' form on the bottom right to login (use the same email address & password you put into the 'Join' form), then you should see a 'List Archive' menu item. Hope this helps. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One possible flaw in voting is that we cant tell what code been used > in each site, in terms of efficiency, page weight (size in kb) and > which is most compatible across browsers. The designs aren't actual HTML pages yet, just JPEG mockups. According to the design competition page (http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm) writing the code is the next step: " Cut and build When a winner has been announced we will move straight into the cut and build phase. Each step in the process will be opened up for discussion by members before it takes place. We will do a step every 24 hours. Steps will include. * Basic page structure * Accessibility layer links, access keys, skip menu * Styling each container (a series of steps) * Choosing a method of hiding from older browsers * Print CSS " -- Lindsay Evans. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Constructive Criticism please - NOW IN DISCUSSION
Folks, Discussion of coding practices is all well & good, but I think it's getting a bit off topic. If you'd like to continue the discussion, I've setup a thread in the discussion room for it: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/13.htm Please post any further comments there. Thanks. -- Lindsay Evans. WSG Core. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS
Any web server worth it's salt will gzip compress static files, which makes trimming all the whitespace a bit pointless. Ditto with any crazy-assed class naming scheme you come up with to make things smaller. I learnt most of what I know about HTML, CSS & JS from viewing the source of pages that had something I thought was cool, so I think it's kinda nice to make my stuff as readable as possible for anyone doing the same these days. Also helps when I come back to make changes 6 months later & wonder WTF things do :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does everyone else on the list do this? > > For the sake of 11k that is cached on the first page load it seems a > little drastic. I do programming work as well as markup and the > indentation/formatting of the code is very important in producing > readable code. If it was only me looking at the CSS then fine, but in > a team situation producing CSS formatted like this could make human > reading a lot harder and thus slow production time. > > I can understand if you use TopStyle to do this automatically but I > just thought a note of caution/consideration to others reading this > that may feel it's a thing all good CSS developers must do. > > Personally I'd prefer to leave my CSS formatted as is and shave the > k's off images used, etc. Then if I need to hand the stylesheets over > to someone they are more usable. > > Nick -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Thursday drinks in Sydney
Hi everyone, Due to the lack of a Sydney meeting this evening, a few of us regulars are planning to hold our own little get-together, discussion will include (among other things): - Just what constitutes a 'standard' drink - The accessibility of the bar area - Usability of the bathroom facilities Where: Ship Inn, Circular Quay (http://www.whereisthepub.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=77) When: 6:30pm, AEDST If you haven't had the (mis)fortune of meeting anyone from the list before, then I'll be the one wearing the MXDU 2003 t-shirt & jeans, and most likely have a pint of Guinness in my hand :) So if you happen to be in the Sydney CBD this evening, then come and join us! -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] New virus - W32ValidXHTML.A
Better late than never: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_04.html#000317 :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?
Michael Kear wrote: > For my own benefit, I have been developing a colour schemer tool, and > I've put it on my web site for others to use, comment about, help me > improve. Snippety-snip > http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/ is the address. (note the > Australian COLOUR not the American COLOR) Looks pretty good to me, Mike. One thing I'd suggest: make the form method 'get' instead of 'post', that way people can bookmark, email, etc. the colour scheme easily. Oh, found a bug, too: if I enter a 3 digit hex code (eg. #333), then I get a CF error, might be handy for us lazy CSS folk to put shorthand for colours in :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Usability Week 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I wanted to send this out early so we can all benefit from >> the early discount fee. > > Thanks - that will also give us all time to have some good long > discussions with our bank managers about that second mortgage :) 3 > days with Jakob = $20K (I'm guessing this is US dollars). > > I couldn't find pricing on individual sessions Errr... $20K? http://www.nngroup.com/events/sydney/prices.html 3 days - $2,357 (early rego, $2,619 after April 28), and that's in AUD :) Individual sessions are one day, so they'd be $911 each (or $1,012 after April 28) /me starts thinking up ways to convince the boss that he should pay up :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list
Peter Firminger wrote: > We could also do other variants: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Is this worth pursuing? Sounds good to me, although I'd be more in favour of something like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > While we're at it... > > Please make sure you free email account doesn't go over quota. > Please don't ever request read receipts (I get most of them rather > than you). Also, please temporarily unsubscribe (or is there a 'nomail' option?) from the list if you're going to have one of those annoying 'vacation' messages. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Dynamically populating stylesheets?
Seona Bellamy wrote: > Just to make sure I understand you, Beau, the php code you show is the > content of that cssmaker.php that you put in the href? > > Not sure if I can duplicate that with CF - it's that "header" bit > that is the biggest problem I guess. Does anyone know if there's a > similar function > in CF? Sure, use the cfheader tag: Also, make sure you throw a so as not to include all the debugging info. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list
Taco Fleur wrote:
> PS. for those of you who are tired of to many emails in their
> email client, why not propose a new standard for the Subject of
> the emails going to the list?
>
> [CSS]
> [WSG] Web Standards
> [OT] Off topic
> {TOT] Totally Of Topic ;-)
I might just point out some of the other WSG bits & pieces that many people
probably aren't aware of:
- the resources section <http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/> (which I
believe everyone on the list is able to add to)
- the WSG CMS list (buggered if I can remember how you join... Pete?)
- the IRC channel <http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/irc.html> (OT stuff is
quite okay here, infact most of the time it's just me raving on about buying
bananas from Ebay or something :p)
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RE: [WSG] IE7 fixes CSS glitches for IE
Geoff Bowers wrote: > http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ > "IE7 invokes a DHTML behavior to load and parse all style sheets into > a form that Explorer can understand. You can then use most CSS2 > selectors without having to resort to CSS hacks." Certainly interesting, pity it doesn't validate though: <http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdean.edwards. name%2Fmy%2Fbehaviors%2Fie7-xml.css&warning=2&profile=css2&usermedium=all> -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags
Kay Smoljak wrote:
> does anyone know of any other resources or great
> examples?
I may be slightly biased, but I think the centre & headings
('Weblog' and 'This is a weblog post') on my as yet unfinished redesign look
pretty good:
http://lindsay.f2o.org/stage/layout.html
There might be something good in CSS Zen Garden (http://csszengarden.com/),
although most of them that I could see used images.
If you're only targetting IE, then you could use WEFT to embed your fonts:
(http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm), but
there isn't an equivalent for Gecko-based browsers :|
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RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags
Universal Head wrote: > Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to > each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. > > BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few > I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and > 'MSSmartTagsPreventParsing' This page: http://vancouver-webpages.com/META/ gives a rather lengthy list, including a lot of proprietary stuff. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Image replace or ALT text?
Cameron Adams wrote: > It reminded me as to a point I'd thought about > regarding background image replacement. Sure, using a > ul with visually hidden text and background images for > navigation is semantically correct, but wasn't it much > better in the old days when you used an actual image > with alt text and you knew what something was even > before it loaded. Especially important for navigation items. Interesting, I'd never thought of the drawbacks of the various image replacement techniques in regards to showing text while images load. Personally, I *hate* having images as navigation items, mostly because if (when) the navigation changes, you'll need to create new graphics for it. I usually have a generic background image, with the text part of the nav item as actual text. Obviously this isn't really an option for headers etc. when the client wants some particular font for branding purposes or whatever. As a complete aside - what the hell ever happened to embedded fonts? AFAIK it's still part of the CSS spec, and IE & NS4 implemented it pretty well, but Moz seems to have dropped it completely. It seems (to me, anyway) to be the perfect answer - create a downloadable version of whatever crazy font you need, control the letter spacing etc. with CSS, add your gradient/picture of a cat/whatever as a background image, and voila! no need for any of this other text-hiding craziness. Anyway, I think you are probably quite right: if you have a dire need for a bunch of images-as-nav-items, then they would be more usable as images - definitely less semantically correct, possibly even less accessible, but more usable nonetheless. > I'm aware of image replacement techniques that also > allow you to see text when the image isn't there, but > they seem very clumsy, so I'm asking whether the old > skool method's usability outweighs its unfashionable > unsemanticness. What are some of these techniques? I don't think I've seen any that do that around (not that I've looked very hard, mind you :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Validating pages with password protection?
Justin French wrote: > On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 07:28 AM, Martin Chapman wrote: > >> Doh! That was a bit obvious (except for me!) Thanks Anders! > > A bit obvious, but also ridiculously time consuming on anything more > than 2 pages :) You can use wget(http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html) to automate the process. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Tenth AIMIA Awards announced
Lindsay Evans wrote: WSG Awards? :) Sheesh, didn't notice that TB was still downloading a bunch of emails before I replied :| The Web Standards Awards looks pretty interesting, gives me more incentive to get my redesign finished :) -- Lindsay Evans * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Tenth AIMIA Awards announced
Mark Stanton wrote: If so what can be done about it? I'm really interested in some ideas. WSG Awards? :) -- Lindsay Evans * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Spot the Error
The irony is just too much: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/02/06/spot_the_err/index.php -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] reply to Safari question
Nick Lo wrote: > Here's how to enable it: > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629 > > However, before you get too excited "it can pretend to be a bunch of > different browsers" merely refers to it's ability to set the User > Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online > banking with a bank that doesn't recognise Safari as a viable browser > even if it otherwise functions fine. Now you see Safari ...switch... > now you see Windows MSIE 6.0, etc., type thing. I'd just like to weigh in here & say that I think doing this is *incredibly* counter-productive if you don't also complain to the site in question, if the bank/whatever turns to their stats at the end of the year/month/etc., sees that no-one is using opera/safari/whathaveyou, then they are a lot less likely to take their silly browser detection crap away. If, however, they have a pile of emails from customers telling them that they can't get into their site, then they're a lot more likely to make the change. That said, it's also handy to get into NYT articles without registering (hint, GoogleBot doesn't need to register... :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Image floating question
James Cowperthwaite wrote:
> Ah yes, but the effect that I am going for is to have one image sits
> flush left, while the other is flush right... They get closer and
> closer as the browser gets smaller.
>
> This works fine until the browser until the browser window gets too
> small, which is really only an issue (in this case) if the user has a
> small viewport.
>
> There doesn't seem to be any 'nowrap' equiv I guess.
You could try:
#logos {
width: 100%;
min-width: 800px;
}
.logo1 {...}
.logo2 {...}
...
...
Although IE will ignore the min-width.
You could throw a div with a width of 800px in there instead of the
min-width, but that seems a bit too much like a hack for my taste :)
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RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?
russ weakley wrote: > I was wrong! Yeah, but don't worry, I won't rub your nose in it :p > PS. Not supported by IE5/mac, probably others?? The westciv chart gives it the all clear, except for partial support in NS4: http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/bg_border_margin _padding.html Just for the hell of it, I whipped up a test page (http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/css/border-color.html), which works fine in MacIE5 for me. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?
Stephen wrote: > Long time listener, first time poster. Hi Stephen :) > Is there an easier way (i.e. Shorthand) to declare this type of > border (for example)?: > > border-top: 1px solid #555; > border-right: 2px solid #666; > border-bottom: 3px solid #777; > border-left: 4px solid #888; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 2px 3px 4px; border-color: #555 #666 #777 #888; Is probably as short as it gets. It'd be cool (though even potentially even more confusing) if you could do the following: border: 1px 2px 3px 4px solid #555 #666 #777 #888; (I'd hate to be the one writing parsing rules for that sucker :p) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Standardize - simple explanation of web standards
Taco Fleur wrote: > Are you sure this is their live site though? I have the feeling I > have seen them before a long time ago.. Looks like it's live - it's linked from http://axisfive.net/portfolio.php so I'd imagine it is :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Standardize - simple explanation of web standards
Good idea, but the hideously bad contrast of the colours, tiny default font size and the broken links make me feel that they aren't all that serious about it: http://www.axisfive.net/standardize/ -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] XSLT Presentation slides
Hi all, If you couldn't make it to the Sydney meeting last night, or were just interested in seeing the XML & CSS I used for my presentation, then it's available on my site: http://lindsay.f2o.org/presentations/xxx/default.xml Should be viewable in most modern browsers (check out http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/xml+css/ for a list of browsers that don't support XML+CSS), but to be used as an actual presentation you need to be using Opera 7. Also, check out the DTD for my idea on beating email harvesters :) If you're after more info on XML & XSLT, here are a few good sites: http://zvon.org/ http://xml.com/ http://ibm.com/developerworks/xml/ -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Big trouble!
stuart wrote: > Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me, > http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm Crashes IE 6 & 5.5 on Windows XP here, no idea why though, sorry. (I just saved the HTML locally & had a look - everything was okay, so I'd say it's something in the CSS) Re. the initial page fulll of text, it's most likely the infamous Flash Of Unstyled Content bug: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp hth -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Small bug
Universal Head wrote:
> A small bug I can't seem to track down:
>
>
> http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/
>
>
> There's padding around the nav links that only appears in Mozilla and
> I can't seem to work out why ...
Looks to me like you just need border="0" on the images (or .nav a img
{border: 0;} if you're that way inclined)
> Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list
> is confidential, right?
Well, considering that the list is archived at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
I'd guess not...
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RE: [WSG] breadcrumbs
Universal Head wrote: > Happy new year you crazy coders ... > > I believe there was some code or an article for creating 'breadcrumb' > trails on a website. Anyone remember an article on this subject? > > Thanks Probably the Evolt site: PHP: http://www.evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_PHP_Lovers/17/4455/ ASP: http://www.evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_Those_Using_ASP/17/4438/evolt.o rg And there is a Dreamweaver extension to create ColdFusion breadcrumbs (if you're into that sorta thing): http://www.massimocorner.com/ud/coldfusion.htm -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] OT: XSL editing
Miles Tillinger wrote: > Hi, > > I am editing XSL templates and want a simple way to preview the > output by combining the XSL with a sample XML packet. So far the > best I have found is this ASP app at > http://www.chriswetherell.com/editor/home.asp. However it is a > bit slow and I'd prefer a win32 app of some kind. Any suggestions? Altova make a bunch of XML editing stuff, Stylevision might be what you need. http://xmlspy.com/products_xsl.html -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Russ strikes again
Mark Stanton wrote: > I swear /. is next. > > http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259 > > Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the > mighty fine work. heh - Russ Weaklyorial Still no Russ Method though :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] [OT] XSL
James Silva wrote: > Basically, i need to run some kind of MOD() function to set a > class for each > second . > > Is this possible with XSLT? Or do i need to look at doing some > pre/post processing of my data using ASP? Hi James, I found this in one of my old XSL files, no idea if it works though :) background-color: #e3e3e3; ... etc. If that does you no good, take a look at the ZVON XSLT reference: http://zvon.org/xxl/XSLTreference/Output/index.html -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] safari and title attr
James Ellis wrote: > Anyone know if there is a reason why the title attr doesn't effect > some sort of contextual description next to the mouse (e.g a tooltip) > but plonks it in the status bar instead? >From the horses mouth: "Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety of ways." http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title Also, Opera 7 displays the title content in the status bar (if you have it visible) & in a tooltip, which (IMHO) is kinda annoying for links with title attributes as you have no way of knowing the URL for the link. I wrote a small rant a while back on how stupid displaying things like this in the status bar is, it was mainly about displaying information relevant to menu items though - http://lindsay.f2o.org/blog/read?ObjectID:44; (yes, the semicolon is important) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Modify class
Title: Modify class
Hi
Taco,
That
sounded like a challenge, so I came up with this:
http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/css/dynamic_class.html
Works
in FB 0.6.1, IE 4.01, 5.01, 5.5 & 6 on WinXP
It is
a bit kludgy in that you have to specify indexes for your stylesheet & CSS
rule, but it is just a quickie :)
One
other way would be to change the className of a parent element and use
inheritance to specify the different states. This way is probably a better way
to go, IMHO.
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-Original Message-From: Taco Fleur
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 9:43
AMTo: Web Standards Group (E-mail)Subject: [WSG] Modify
class
Is it possible to modify the attribuites of a CLASS
dynamically?
In other words, I now have a page with 200 objects
on it, 20 of them are of CLASS:helpHidden, when help is clicked I now loop
over all objects in the page and see if the object is of CLASS:helpHidden, if
so then change the class to helpDisplay, obviously this takes a while and to
me it looks like there should be a better way of doing it. Like for example
change the properties of the class itself, for example;
CLASS:help
{
visibility: hidden;
display: none; }
When HELP is clicked change the attributes of the
class to
{
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 14px;
color: red;
cursor:
help; display: inline;
visibility: visible; }
Taco Fleur07 3535 5072
Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I will
rememberTeach me and I will learn
RE: [WSG] OT: multiple IE versions
James Ellis wrote: > Hi Ralph > > I think it's the other way round - Safari works off Konquerer. > > I doubt MS would want people to run older versions of their products. > I think they have enough headaches keeping Winternet Explorer > secure.. >> Great website! Wonder why MS has never written a KB article on >> multiple IE Plus the fact that IE is supposedly so tightly integrated with the operating system that it can't be a separate product :) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-204529.html?legacy=cnet -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Style to create input field look?
Taco Fleur wrote:
> What I meant was, how to recreate the default look of the input
> field. For example take a input field and do not apply any CSS to it,
> that
> it the look
> I want to recreate exactly the same. And not by not applying a
> style to it.
try:
input {
border: 2px inset threedface;
background-color: window;
color: windowtext;
}
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RE: [WSG] Site check: Listamatic entry (to-be)
Anton Andreasson wrote: > I put it together at: > http://standardice.com/experimental/separatecurrent.html > ...but I haven't tested in anything more than IE5/Mac or Mozilla > 1.2.1 yet. Could someone please email me an IE/Win report of some > kind? Browsercam boggs down my modem line and I'm running out of > unused mail aliases... ;( IE 6.0.2, 5.01, 5.5, XP Pro: - The 'THREE' part of item three wraps onto the next line on hover Otherwise all good. (Damn I love standalone IE :D) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] hiding styles from mozilla
James Silva wrote: > Is there a known CSS hack to hide styles from Mozilla based browsers? You could try mixing 'n matching hacks from here: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] webstandards.to
http://webstandards.to/ Seems to be a group in Toronto, CA. A few big names in there, too. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] css question and site test on Mac
> One quick point - unrelated to the alignment issue - is the font family
> declaration:
> { font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }
>
> Theoretically it is best to put quotes around a font family that includes
> white space. So this would be better:
>
> {font-family: "arial black"; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }
And, of course, you should remove the semicolon from after "arial black",
otherwise the alternate font-families won't get applied at all.
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RE: [WSG] pre-WSG Sydney meeting mood-setter
> (38 seconds down the hill from the Museum's William St entrance). It can easily be achieved in under 10 seconds if you are thirsty enough to run :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Firebird bug?
Because of the floats applied to the dt & dd elements, your dls are going to
effectively have a height of 0, and any elements after the dl will sit
underneath the floated elements.
You can throw a in between the dl & h2 to get around it
(which I hate), or try this:
dl:after {
content: "";
display: block;
clear: both;
}
I've only tested that minimally, but it works in FB 0.6.1.
HTH
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> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 4:22 PM
> To: Sydney Web Standards Group
> Subject: [WSG] Firebird bug?
>
>
> Hey everyone
>
> Tearing my hair out with this one. Please have a look at:
> http://www.gruden.com/dl_test.html
>
> I'm trying to get dl/dt/dd list thingo from
> http://www.clagnut.com/blog/241/
> going and I seem to have found an issue with it in Firebird.
>
> My basic setup is:
>
> subheading 1
> definition list 1
>
> subheading 2
> definition list 2
>
> and I am trying to control the top margin on the h2s. The first
> one is fine,
> but the second one will not react to any of the changes.
>
> Any ideas welcome...
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
>
> __
> Mark Stanton
> Technical Director
> Gruden Pty Ltd
> Tel: 9956 6388
> Mob: 0410 458 201
> Fax: 9956 8433
> http://www.gruden.com
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RE: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Yeah, I'd tried that before with no luck.
However, I was just fiddling with the code, and for some strange reason it
works.
I think the previous attempt was something like this:
#w a:hover .member
whereas the current one is like so:
#wsg:hover .member {...}
#w a:hover {...}
Bizarre.
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> -Original Message-
> From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 9:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
>
>
> Hi LIndsay
>
> What about trying a descendant selector
>
> E.g I've used
> .blocka .code
> {
> color : #ff;
> }
>
> .blockb .code
> {
> color : #ff;
> }
>
> So you could try something like
> #wsg A:hover
> {
> ...
> }
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RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Nah, we're actually talking about the flat bread: <http://www.foodtv.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_23974,00.html> :p -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 3:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura > > > cmon you webstandards ppl! > > PITA > > I had to go look it up myself :'( * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Yeah, but then every other link on the page will have the same hover attributes.
And a#wsg:hover doesn't work.
I'm sure I could get it sorted out, I'm just busy working in Flash ATM :)
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> -Original Message-
> From: scott parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 3:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Icon and Aura
>
>
> um, lindsay you must be half asleep today...
> put the hover on an a tag
> a:hover {
> color: #00;
> background: #66;
> }
> and it works fine in the pita browser, else v cute
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RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
> Only tested in FB 0.6.1, IE 6 on XP (I'm lazy today). > > Suggestions welcome. Oh, and I know the hover thing isn't working in IE. IE is a PITA & can go to hell :) Well, at least until I get bored enough to figure out why it isn't working :p -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura
> One day to go for comments on the WSG "mini-button" icon folks. > > It seems to me (given no feedback to the contrary) that Ben's > spiffy icon http://leorex.com/skunkworks/wsg/icon/ will be > accepted as the chosen one. Please let us know if you have any > last thoughts on this. A late challenger: http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/css/wsg_icon.html Pretty much the same as Ben's, but in CSS/XHTML. Only tested in FB 0.6.1, IE 6 on XP (I'm lazy today). Suggestions welcome. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] How do I redefine in CSS an html tag to...
Hi Chris, > In CSS, how do I refined to behave like target="_blank">? That's not possible in CSS, you'd have to use some variety of scripting language. Plenty of stuff written about this previously: http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=xhtml +target+blank -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2003 2:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] How do I redefine in CSS an html tag to... > > > In CSS, how do I refined to behave like target="_blank">? > > > Chris > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Mozilla redesign and products
Downloading FB as we speak :) > Mozilla has a new site design by Dave Shea (of CSS Zen Garden fame): > http://mozilla.org/website-beta/ Personally, I'm not too keen on it. The design doesn't seem all that coherent, and some of the colour choices are pretty crappy. The second level pages are a bit better, but not much. And what the hell is up with all the different types of navigation style going on in the left column? http://mozilla.org/website-beta/support/ http://mozilla.org/website-beta/products/ http://mozilla.org/website-beta/press/mozilla-10.15.03.html It's all kinda dissapointing, Dave usually does a hell of a lot better than this. (Obviously I get cranky when I have less than my usual amount of morning coffee :)) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 9:07 AM > To: Web Standards Group > Subject: [WSG] Mozilla redesign and products > > > Mozilla has a new site design by Dave Shea (of CSS Zen Garden fame): > http://mozilla.org/website-beta/ > > Also, Mozilla has just launched three new products: > > Mozilla 1.5 > http://mozilla.org/website-beta/releases/#1.5 > > Firebird 0.7 > http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/ > > Thunderbird 0.3 > http://mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/ > > Thanks > Russ > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Targeting IE5
If you're talking about content negotiation in the way I think you are (by the values passed to the server in the 'Accept' HTTP header) and not by getting the value of the 'User-Agent' HTTP header, then I'm all for it. One of my recent thoughts was to check if the UA had 'text/xml' or 'application/xhtml+xml' in the Accept header, and sending them back the appropriate mime-type for XHTML, while everyone else gets text/html. I'd even thought of going to the length of using PHP's output buffering to rewrite the XHTML into HTML4 for the text/html version so that it's totally valid, but that just seems like way too much work for so little gain :) (also, the W3C validator doesn't send an Accept header, so it would be getting HTML4 - still valid, but not exactly ideal to say a site is valid XHTML then have the W3C say it's HTML4 :)) To me, this doesn't seem like a hack at all, it is exactly what the Accept header is for - serving up different content types depending on what the browser (says) it supports. I'm sure you could also do the same with XML, and either send XML plus a stylesheet to UAs that support it, and do a server-side transform to HTML for those that don't (There are probably a number of flaws in this though (probably the biggest being that you'd have to write two versions of your presentation code), and I'll be stuufed if I can think of a single reason *to* do it apart from the 'hey, cool, I can do it' factor) /me should get back to work now... -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: Ben Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 10:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [WSG] Targeting IE5 > > > I would have thought the best way to target a browser (be it IE5 or other) > was content negotiation. Detect the browser and serve content in the > appropriate format. Does anyone else get the feeling this technique is > rarely used whilst cruder methods proliferate? > > IMHO, web servers can do a lot more than just serve files and should be > exploited for all they are worth - and that's plenty. I feel this > cornerstone of the web is oft overlooked, much to the detriment of the > online experience when cruder technologies are called on to compensate. > > Maybe it's just too difficult for developers to get access to webserver > configuration, or too tedious to produce content in multiple > formats? Gotta > weight that against the time and effort we've all invested in workarounds > and hacks though ... The right tool for the job. One can't solve every > problem with a hammer. > > cheers > Ben > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]Changes to the way IE treats & friends
http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/ Goody, now all my nice, validating, Flash-including pages are going to annoy users with a whole bunch of popup dialogs. Thanks Eolas, you've made my day :| I've had a bit of a play around with the pre-release version of the updated browser, and this also effects things like: - linking to PDF files - linking to video, audio - Java applets Can't wait to see what Mozilla does to get around it. As an aside, how is it that Internet Explorer is a 'core part of the operating system', but they can distribute it as a (relatively) small standalone application as they do on this page? I hate software companies today :[ -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Vote for Prez + amazing suggestion
> As a suggestion, why don't we all participate in building an example > site with all these features? Sounds good. I can just imagine all the 'what should be in the ?' type of arguments, though :p -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Font support chart?
You can try the Code Style Font Sampler: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml 'Standard' is a funny term for fonts, too, as things like Office & IE install heaps of additional fonts. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 11:36 AM > To: Sydney Web Standards Group > Subject: [WSG]Font support chart? > > > Does anyone know of a font support chart that lists which fonts > are standard > on which platforms? Maybe Russ could quickly knock up a Font-o-matic? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
And the URL, for the non-geeks, is: http://books.slashdot.org/books/03/09/30/1633204.shtml?tid=126&tid=156&tid=1 88&tid=192&tid=95 :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy
FYI, I've been doing nested lists for nav on a couple of full CSS layout
sites lately (I'd love to show everyone the code, but it's for a certain
large telco who shan't be named ;)
Anyhoo, to style the sub-nav, you don't need an id, just use something like
this:
ul li {...} /* top level */
ul li ul li {...} /* second level */
Note that anything declared in the first rule will have to be overridden in
the second. ie. if you want the top level bold, but the second level normal:
ul li {
font-weight: bold;
}
ul li ul li {
font-weight: normal;
}
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> -Original Message-
> From: Anton Andreasson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 7:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy
>
>
> >Well... all I can say is that styling lists is VERY popular now:
>
> Yeah, but what about nested lists? What about a Listamatic 2.0 with
> this as a focus? :) Below is a HTML proposal I'm currently playing
> around with anyway (using instead of #current for increased
> accessibility):
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