RE: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
I know this was awhile ago, but in case it hasn't been covered, you are unlikely to be able to sue as the Australian accessibility regulations come from the Disability Discrimination Act - they are discriminating against people using particular software, but not people because they have a disability. But you should definitely let them know. Let us know how it goes. Cheers, Gian PurpleTop has been acquired by iFocus: www.ifocus.com.au Gian Sampson-Wild iFocus Pty Limited Level 1, 450 St Kilda Road Melbourne Vic 3004 ph: + 61 3 8807 0100 | fx: +61 3 8807 0101 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.ifocus.com.au :: Australian Federal Government Endorsed Supplier :: Queensland Government Information Technology Contract (GITC) Endorsed Supplier :: Member of the Victorian Government eServices Panel :: Member of the Australian Government Information Management Office Web Management Panel (AGIMO) The information contained in this message is intended only for the recipient, may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, please be aware that any dissemination or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. iFocus maintains up-to-date virus checking software and we recommend that you also employ resident virus protection. Our liability with respect to the transference of computer viruses is limited to resupplying the infected email or document again. Thank-you, iFocus Pty Limited. ABN 23 090 593 525 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Stratford Sent: Friday, 7 January 2005 2:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame... Thanks for all the replies! I wasn't serious about threatening to sue. It was just an expression of rage ;) Thanks for the pointers! I will definatly let them know! Cheers! James Ellis wrote: Chris Their minimum system requirements http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/MinSysReq.htm suggest that Netscape 7.1 is supported. Given that this browser is basically Mozilla 1.4 it's probable that they have a faulty browser sniffer* Threatening to sue them because of a faulty browser sniffer is probably not a good idea. Maybe you can assist them by providing them with your Firefox/Mozilla user agent Its always good to look before leaping. HTH James *Using the User Agent extension and altering to Netscape 7.1 and IE 6 allows you to install their certificate. On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:16:34 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/welcome.htm I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? Can they not simply uphold web standards! Ahhh I am mad. I will call them - tell them to print it out or whatever it is. and mail it to me... Deary me... The government has failed again... :) -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Chris Stratford wrote: I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? The site also requires a Java applet to be installed. What's more, the links won't work until the applet finishes loading. In other words, After complaining that Firefox isn't good enough and that Java is required, it tells you to check the minimum system requirements, but it won't let you go there (middle clicking got around that, though). Pathetic doesn't even begin to come close. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/welcome.htm I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? Can they not simply uphold web standards! Ahhh I am mad. I will call them - tell them to print it out or whatever it is. and mail it to me... Deary me... The government has failed again... :) -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Chris Stratford wrote: Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. Deary me... The government has failed again... :) Depends on what laws the austrailian government has in place for web accessability for government sites. If this was a US or UK government site, then yes... I'm guessing austrailian legal stature is very similar. But I'd definatly raise it with them. I can't stand web'masters' who create javascript popups telling me I have a downlevel browser. Since when was IE ever superior to Firefox, Konqueror, or Safari? -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/#Australia WAI country guide Bruce David R wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. Deary me... The government has failed again... :) Depends on what laws the austrailian government has in place for web accessability for government sites. If this was a US or UK government site, then yes... I'm guessing austrailian legal stature is very similar. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Terrence Wood wrote: Chris, you probably can sue them, but it may well be better to contact them directly, point out the error of their ways and offer to fix it for them. Hmmm What would result in the bigger monetary gain though? Suing them, or them paying you to fix it? Or do both and collect twice! :p ...Kidding :) -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Chris Their minimum system requirements http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/MinSysReq.htm suggest that Netscape 7.1 is supported. Given that this browser is basically Mozilla 1.4 it's probable that they have a faulty browser sniffer* Threatening to sue them because of a faulty browser sniffer is probably not a good idea. Maybe you can assist them by providing them with your Firefox/Mozilla user agent Its always good to look before leaping. HTH James *Using the User Agent extension and altering to Netscape 7.1 and IE 6 allows you to install their certificate. On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:16:34 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/welcome.htm I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? Can they not simply uphold web standards! Ahhh I am mad. I will call them - tell them to print it out or whatever it is. and mail it to me... Deary me... The government has failed again... :) -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
I just fired that page up in NN7, but rejected their applet/certificate. I got this priceless error message: You have chosen not to trust the ATO. Please close all browser windows and start again. You know, I never did trust the ATO ;) Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? This is actually a good question, particularly if you view IE as a security risk (which many experts clearly do). I wonder perhaps if being forced to install software would constitute undue hardship? You could probably get the ATO into HREOC arbitration. -h -- --- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...
Thanks for all the replies! I wasn't serious about threatening to sue. It was just an expression of rage ;) Thanks for the pointers! I will definatly let them know! Cheers! James Ellis wrote: Chris Their minimum system requirements http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/MinSysReq.htm suggest that Netscape 7.1 is supported. Given that this browser is basically Mozilla 1.4 it's probable that they have a faulty browser sniffer* Threatening to sue them because of a faulty browser sniffer is probably not a good idea. Maybe you can assist them by providing them with your Firefox/Mozilla user agent Its always good to look before leaping. HTH James *Using the User Agent extension and altering to Netscape 7.1 and IE 6 allows you to install their certificate. On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:16:34 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I sue the ATO over this - like the SOCOG case. http://pki.ato.gov.au/atocdia/welcome.htm I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? Can they not simply uphold web standards! Ahhh I am mad. I will call them - tell them to print it out or whatever it is. and mail it to me... Deary me... The government has failed again... :) -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 6/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
