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[Jane at SugarCat]

Olajide

I’ve had a quick look at your code and noticed this line:  above the mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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From: "Olajide Olaolorun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:45:15 -0400
Subject: Table Problem

Can some help me with this problem:
http://www.olajideolaolorun.com/problem.html

Its right when i view it in Firefox, but in IE, its problematic. Can anyone
help me out as to why it is not aligning right? 

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[Jojo Esposa]

Kindly enumerate to us what meta tags must be retained and what tags that we
can do without. This I presume is based on the current standards. Thanks.
:-)

jojo
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:35:28 1000, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org <
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> wrote:


From: Bruce Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:37:55 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Brian Cummiskey wrote:
> Joyce Evans wrote:
> >
> > Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on
> > web pages?
> >
> > 
>
> No.   Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point.  he only common
> one still being used is the langauge/charset type.

Most possibly getting off topic but   WILL be used by google for the description
under the title in search results.

Cheers
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Gabriel Vasquez wrote:

>Hi Everyone, I apologize if this is off topic but this is one of
the few
>places that I would be able to talk to web designers and get
their opinions
>on this.
>
>I've been attending school to get an Associates degree in Digital
Media. The
>program is 18 months and ranges from html to 3d graphics. I'm
already more
>than halfway through my courses, but I find that I hit a road
block; I'm not
>really learning anything. We are just now getting into *basic*
css, and
>javascript in dreamweaver (which I already know how to do, even
though I
>prefer to hand-code). The program is now focusing on 3D animation
but that's
>really not what I'm into at all. I just want to do web design:
xhtml, css,
>ECMAScript/DOM, etc. -- no more, no less. I don't feel I should
spend the
>money for something I'm not getting anything out of.
>
>My question to you is this: Do you think it would be wise for me
to finish
>the program and get the degree even though I'm not learning what
I want to
>be learning, or should I just call it off and focus on web
design?
>
>TIA in advanced for your feedback!
>
>Gabriel
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[Chris Rizzo]

Hi Guys,
 
I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and 
has gotten too big to be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any 
consideration of maybe splitting the listing into a handful of different 
topics and then allowing members to subscribe to one or more specific topics. So 
if my interest right now is CSS I could subscribe to that topic.
 
Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list 
will be joining this one. These daily emails can only get bigger.
 
Just some thoughts,
Thanks for all the great comments help and 
community,
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[wsg . p . qxo]

I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based
forum.

Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread
as my way to review.

  --David

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[Teresa Carroll]

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From: Nick Gleitzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:06:49 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 11:50 Australia/Sydney, Rev. Bob 'Bob'  
Crispen wrote:

Just in case anybody asks you, "but how do you *know* the Allmusic  
Guide is lame?" and you don't have one of Scott Yanow's reviews  
handy, now you have the definitive answer. Just click!  
. Besides being insanely slow and buggy,  
the new AMG site has this notice in bright yellow at the top of every  
> page:

Notice: You are accessing allmusic.com with a browser that is not  
currently supported. The appearance and functionality of the site  
could be impacted. allmusic.com is optimized for Internet Explorer  
5.5 and above for Windows.
Uhh.. yeah. Had to see for myself, and didn't even get as far as the  
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From: Chris Stratford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:22:10 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!
 Nah i see it...
 :S
 Ahhh terrible...
Off with teh person in charges head!
 Nick Gleitzman wrote:
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 11:50 Australia/Sydney, Rev. Bob 'Bob'  
Crispen wrote:

 Just in case anybody asks you, "but how do you *know* the Allmusic  
Guide is lame?" and you don't have one of Scott Yanow's reviews handy,  
now you have the definitive answer. Just click!  
. Besides being insanely slow and buggy, the  
new AMG site has this notice in bright yellow at the top of every >  
page:

 Notice: You are accessing allmusic.com with a browser that is not  
currently supported. The appearance and functionality of the site  
could be impacted. allmusic.com is optimized for Internet Explorer 5.5  
and above for Windows.

 Uhh.. yeah. Had to see for myself, and didn't even get as far as the  
notice (was maybe going to send them a nice constructive email); all I  
got was "Error 2 Timeout". Outstanding. Maybe they've already pulled  
the site?

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 From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:48:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!
On 7/12/04 11:22 PM "Chris Stratford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent  
this out:

http://www.allmusic.com

Nah i see it...
:S
Ahhh terrible...
Off with teh person in charges head!

This thread will be closed real soon I'd bet, but that site basically  
p*ss*d
me off. Makes me redouble my standards-thinking efforts.

What an idiotic website that is.
Rick Faaberg
From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:26:10 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:48:48 -0700, Rick Faaberg wrote:
This thread will be closed real soon I'd bet,

Makes me redouble my standards-thinking efforts.
If we can inject some content into the thread, it can stay open, I
expect.
What specific problems do you see their lack of standards causing?
What simple steps could they have taken to fix it?
What complex steps?
What would it have cost?
What reasons can you imagine they had for their current implementation?
Much more interesting than just giving an... emotional response.

warmly,
Lea
~ who feel very school marm-ish ;)
--  
Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet  

Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine
Optimisation
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[Josh Rose]

Hello,
 
Does anyone know how to get rid of whitespace at the bottom of the page when using relative positioning on a page that has more than 1 column?
 
Hope that made sense,
 
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[Josh Rose]

Hello,
Can I just point people in the direction of http://www.independent-testers.org/, just in case any of you have spare time and feel charitable (please note that other than being a tester, I'm not affiliated to this site in any way).
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[Josh Rose]

Hello,  I have a nav list problem.  This is the css I'm using:
 
.links ul, .links li {
list-style: none;}
.links li {border: 1px solid #00;border-top: 0px;}
.links li.top {border-top: 1px solid #00;}
.links li a {color: #00;text-decoration: none;display: block;text-align: center;cursor: default;padding-bottom: 4px;padding-top: 4px;}
.links li a:hover {color: #FF;background-color: #00;text-decoration: none;cursor: default;}
.links li a:first-letter {border-bottom: 1px solid black;padding-bottom: 2px;}
.links li a#active:first-letter {border-bottom: 1px solid white;padding-bottom: 2px;}
.links li a:hover:first-letter {border-bottom: 1px solid white;padding-bottom: 2px;}
.links a#active {color: #FF;background-color: #00;text-decoration: none;}
.links a:active#active {color: #FF;background-color: #00;text-decoration: none;}and the html is:
 
    Accuiel    De Nous    Photos    Contact    Liens
What I'm trying to do is have the accesskey underlined, it works fine in Firefox and Opera (wayhey), but in IE 6 the a:first-letter works fine, but a:hover doesn't at all (it does without a:first-letter though) and in Netscape 7 the a:first-letter doesn't work at all (just netscapes css support?) but a:hover does.  Phew.
 
The CSS is probably a bit bulky, but go easy on me, I'm newish to this.
 
Any ideas?  If at all possible I'd like to avoid CSS hacks.
 
Thanks,
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[David M Wicker]

Just joined the list to receive in digest 
format
 
I received this including approx 100 file 
attachments
quite a few with just a heading and no 
content
is this the way you usually send out a 
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From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
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> Should I be trying to accommodate A5 printouts, or 
smallerprintouts than the norm, and if so in what way?Ideally, yes, 
and by not using fixed widths.  Otherwise, no, because it'd be way too much 
work. :-P

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[King, Kenneth]

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[Jeremy Dowe]

hi,

What is the background CSS hack for Saffari on a Mac?

http://jeronimo.net.au >> see example.

Jez.

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It seams I've been replying to list members and not to the list itself, and
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[Stefan Hayden]

I was working with A List Apart's Negative Margins  and I ran in to an annoying problem.

When I put a Table (it's tabular data I swear) in to the center column
(the one that flexes) I can't make it fill the entire width of the
column with out breaking out of the column and forcing the float on the
right to wrap below all the center content.

If I make the width of the Table: Auto it fills the width in Firefox but does not expand o fill the width in IE 6.

If I make the width of the Table: 100% it fills the width in Firefox
but breaks the column in IE 6 and forces the float to wrap below.

How can I make the Table fill the full width of the column in FireFox and IE 6? Any help would be amazing.

Thanks
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In evidence piece of your code containig images element definition


  
  



  
  


Right, IMHO in this case you don't need 2 division so what happen if you close 
all the four images in the same division ?

Give a me a feedback

Regards

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[Drew Trusz]

  
  



Barrie North wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  Hi all,
   
  I have a fluid layout and
for the life of me can't get
the image to be "cropped" as the screen adjusts.
   
  Here is the link:
   
  http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/

   
  If you resize the window
the image will stay on top. I have
played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I can't for the life of me get
this
to work.
   
  Anyone fancy jumping in
and pointing out the obvious thing I
am missing J  ?

   
  Barrie North
You've set the wrapper at min-width of 760px. The containing box for the image  won't be in overflow condition at lesser widths. drew 

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[Joe]

Hi,

 

I tried to login with my details, and it
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Forgive me, but that seems to be a complicated way of
doing things...

Why not break the image up into 2 parts and make the entire left half an a:href
with css hover?  The absolute positioning doesn't seem necessary.

--Zachary 



On 1/10/06, Jad Madi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,
I'm having problem with background image for a:hover and IE

CSS
#header-image img{float:left;}
#header a:hover{position:absolute;width:410px; z-index:10;
background:transparent
url(
http://www.jadmadi.net/blog/wp-content/themes/almost-spring/images/home.jpg)
no-repeat top left; background-position: 247px 13px;}

Problem : http://jadmadi.net/blog/ hover
your mouse over the header 
the left side of the header image.

Please advise.


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[Hill, Tim]

>  Back to Top

Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders?
Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen?
Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top
though? I've found it works on firefox, ie, opera on PC (winXP).

Thanks,



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> > Whoa.  Stop right there.  How can CSS stop you from linking to an h1
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> It depends where the H1 is positioned.  If it's not at the top, the
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[sime]

I used the following as the foundation of my current approach to style 
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http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html

However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because 
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This book could be useful as well. We plan on buying it next week ourselves.

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> From: Lee Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Client Side Development Process
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> Hi all
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> I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. I've recently landed a new
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> Would anyone like to offer any advice on setting up this process, and
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> 
> We're starting from a blank canvas so any advice appreciated.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Lee Powell
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> From: "Jermayn Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:42:17 +0800
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Client Side Development Process
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> The best suggestion I can come up with is an ebook on grayscreen prototyping
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> Hear are my thoughts etc about it:
> http://germworks.net/blog/2007/03/28/clients-vs-developer-wars-review/
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/7/07, Lee Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. I've recently landed a new
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You can also solve the IE problem using conditional statements in your
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Disappearing positioned footer in IE7 - works in IE6

Hi,

IE 7 now supports the *html hack, so the 'position: relative' style is
bein
g
applied. You can still add hacks for IE 6 and/or IE 7 but it's tricky..

If you need to send something to IE6 and nothing else: use the
underscore
attribute hack ( border:1px solid pink;)

If you want to send something to IE7 AND IE6, use the attribute hack
(*border:1px solid black;).

If you want to send something to IE7 and NOT IE6, use a combination
(*border:1px solid black;  border:1px solid pink;).

Try adding an underscore in the IE 6 class...

*html #bottom nav {   /*Enables the footer to be positoned below the
wrapper in IE6*/

 position: relative;

bottom: -75px;

right: 25px;

text-align: right;

width: 100%;

height: 50px;

}


Al

On 4/24/07, Cole Kuryakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  Hello All -
>
>
>
> I was having an absolutely-positioned footer problem in IE6 which was
> fixed with the following:
>
>
>
> #bottom nav {/*Compliant Browsers*/
>
> position: absolute;
>
> bottom: -75px;
>
> right: 25px;
>
> text-align: right;
>
> width: 100%;
>
> height: 50px;
>
> }
>
>
>
> *html #bottom nav {   /*Enables the footer to be positoned below
the
> wrapper in IE6*/
>
> position: relative;
>
> bottom: -75px;
>
> right: 25px;
>
> text-align: right;
>
> width: 100%;
>
> height: 50px;
>
> }
>
>
>
> Yes, well, now that IE 7 has come out the footer ***Poof!*** vanishes
-
> like it did under IE6 previous to the implementation of he above *html
> declaration.
>
>
>
> Could someone give me a lead on what to do about this issue in IE 7?
>
>
>
> Unfortunatly, I am not allowed to use conditional

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I 
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Creative Suite
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Flash
 

  
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  I'm desperate for screenshots or error-reports from browsers other 
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  The site: http://www.korsbjerggaard.dk/ny/
   
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[Erwin Heiser]

> I definitely like the new look of your page. No question.
> 
> I am not a big fan of those dropdowns, though. Why do I have to click on the
> primary item to get the dropdown? It forces the user to make an additional
> click that is not really necessary. The good old mouseOver would do the job
> much better, I think. In particular as there is no choice: if I want to
> navigate your site I need the navigation items that are currently hidden.
> 
> One other thing I noticed lately: most standards-based websites suddenly
> start to look the same. They've got this "A-List-Apart" look on them:
> centered, 800px wide, horizontal navigation at the top. Not that there is
> anything wrong with it, but the second you see that design style you know it
> was done by a fan of web standards. I wonder where this comes from?
> 
> Sorry, this sounds like I am only complaining about your site. These were
> just two things that came to my mind. But in general I really like the new

Andreas,

Thanks for your comments, they are exactly the kind of thoughtful remarks
one needs to hear. 
I'm not a big fan of dropdowns either and for the longest time I had a
sidebar with the links but it just didn't "feel" right for this site.
The menu as it is behaves rather erratically with "mouseover" so I left it
"as is": clickable.
As far as "The List Apart" look, well I plead guilty as charged ;-)
I wasn't looking to emulate that particular site but it's a layout that's
fairly easy to achieve with CSS, caters to a lot of monitor sizes and
different browsers and it "just works". This is after all only my fourth
website and I'm still very much feeling my way. But your point's well taken,
it might be time to stretch out a little bit next time...
Thanks again for your time,

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[Webmaster]

Sounds like something that should be dynamic. Maybe 
Macromedia will build it intot the next version of Dreamweaver. 
;)
 
The loveely people at I Love Jack Daniels have a handy 
refeerence sheet you may like but it's not quite what you're 
after.
 
http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/css/css-cheat-sheet/
 
A CSS validator is another good option but it's more of an 
after-the-fact solution. Try the W3C's Jigsaw.
 
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
 
Sorry I couldn't be more help but these should be of some 
assistance.


From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2005 2:53 
PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for 
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

Is there any guide or cheat sheet out there somewhere which 
gives the exact properties of each html element which CAN be 
altered/positioned/styled via CSS?
 
Like I've been putting:
 
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
 
on a default table rule set, but something I've just read 
"indicates" that tables don't have padding - so the padding rule for tables is 
useless. I've been doing the same for s, but something else I came 
across said that tr's don't have margin or padding properties.
 
I'm trying to streamline my stylesheets and would like to get 
rid of any superflous rules that don't apply - or have no effect on 
- specific elements.
 
The easiest way I can think of to do this would be to 
reference some kind of (easy to understand) document that says - or shows - that 
you can set the margin of a table, but not the padding, etc.
 
Cole

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[Webmaster]

The URL is getting re-written or re-directed to http://survey.whatcanido.com.au/Survey/Index.content and 
then I get the magical Page cannot be found 
error.


From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
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Guys n’ gals,
 
I’m having some quirky layout issues with 
http://survey.whatcanido.com.au/ 
specifically starting on page two of the survey, Questions2.fuel. The issues are 
pretty clearly visible. Any assistance with generally improving the pages would 
be greatly appreciated.
 
 
 
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Oddie
 
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[Patrick Fitzgerald]

http://www.browsercam.com/  - that really handy site that allow you to
preview screenshots of your webpage on all browser/platform combinations. 

 

 

 

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[Webmaster]

And there's also an open-source system now available at www.browsershots.org which won't cost you 
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http://www.browsercam.com/  - 
that really handy site 
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combinations. 
 
 
 

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[Mikhail Bozgounov]

[QUOTE]
From: "James Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:45:58 +0100
Subject: drop shadows

Hi all,

I have a site www.flashforprogrammers.com, each page ‘floats’ on a background 
with a dropshadow. I’m no HTML fiend, a friend told me how to add the drop 
shadow. It’s done thus:




…content


[/QUOTE]


My notes on that would be:

1) As mentioned already, this will work *only* in IE browsers.
2) ...So I would suggest a very popular technique, widely used, using a small 
GIF image and a bit of CSS. It works in nearly every browser nowadays, and is 
easy to implement. Details you may find here:

a) http://www.1976design.com/blog/archive/2003/11/14/49/
b) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssdropshadows/
c) http://wubbleyew.com/tests/dropshadows.htm

Cheers, Michel
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David Laakso wrote:

>Major Tom says, neither:
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This is ground control to Major Tomhuh?

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> 
> Hi Guys,
>  
> I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and has gotten too big to
> be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any consideration of
> maybe splitting the listing into a handful of different topics and then
> allowing members to subscribe to one or more specific topics. So if my
> interest right now is CSS I could subscribe to that topic.
>  
> Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list will be joining this
> one. These daily emails can only get bigger.
>  
> Just some thoughts,
> Thanks for all the great comments help and community,
> Chris Rizzo
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Mordechai Peller]

Webmaster wrote:
I did not want my membership revoked, I just can't weed through 100+ emails
every day.
This list is busy, but not that busy. The key is threading. I've been on 
this list for almost a month now, and in that month I've received 
roughly 40 new email and less than 10 new threads. So unless you see 
something which interests you, that's not that much mail to check. If 
you find something of value, then it was worth it. If you NEVER find 
anything, then you should leave because your wasting your bandwidth.
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[jneen]

my five cents worth
I would prefer to see a more typical thread based web forum where I just sign in and 
can read at my leisure. Any posts made by me should list my login name and I think 
that only member's should be able to post. I also find the number of emails I am 
getting harder to digest and would prefer a thread based approach so that I can see 
all replies on a given topic in one hit.
cheers
neen
- Original Message -
From: Chris Rizzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:50 pm
Subject: [WSG] Re: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi Guys,
> 
> I've noticed that this list has grown and grown and has gotten too 
> big to be read on a daily basis. I was wondering if there's any 
> consideration of maybe splitting the listing into a handful of 
> different topics and then allowing members to subscribe to one or 
> more specific topics. So if my interest right now is CSS I could 
> subscribe to that topic.
> 
> Related, I've heard that the CSS-foundations list will be joining 
> this one. These daily emails can only get bigger.
> 
> Just some thoughts,
> Thanks for all the great comments help and community,
> Chris Rizzo
  

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Justin French]

On 21/05/2004, at 12:36 PM, jneen wrote:
my five cents worth
I would prefer to see a more typical thread based web forum where I 
just sign in and can read at my leisure. Any posts made by me should 
list my login name and I think that only member's should be able to 
post. I also find the number of emails I am getting harder to digest 
and would prefer a thread based approach so that I can see all replies 
on a given topic in one hit.
Get a better email client -- threading of emails based on the subject 
and other headers has been possible in email programs as far back as my 
very first email in about '96 or '97 I guess.

Seriously, threading in email is pretty standard stuff.
1. Set up a new folder / mail box for all the WSG email.
2. Set-up a filter/rule to make sure all email with the subject [WSG] 
get pushed into your new folder
3. When viewing the WSG folder, make sure you're viewing the emails in 
a threaded view.

If your email program doesn't support threading, get one that does! 
Judging by your headers, you're using Thunderbird, so all should okay 
there.

Want to be even more productive?
4. Flag the threads you're interested in so it's easy for you to scan 
for topics of interest.
5. Set up your mail client to only show threads with new messages, so 
that the WSG folder is a lot less cluttered.

Now you have a system which is FAR more productive than a clunky forum 
could ever be.  You can download all messages for viewing offline (on 
the train in the morning?), you can do a full text search via your mail 
client (again, offline), you can have instant and reliable private 
messages, and you can keep track of all your post all via a very fast 
email client, rather than a slow web based forum.

If you want a forum, then why did you join a mailing list?  There are 
plenty of such forums already in existence on the web -- we certainly 
don't need another one here.

Email is fast, clean, free from bloat, and allows me to quickly keep on 
eye on the mailing list whilst working -- a lot harder to do with a 
web-based forum.

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Chris Bentley]

 I'm opposed to forking the list.
I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum.
This list is threaded..
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail 
software which threads.

Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review.
The RSS format is not threaded its flat?
chris
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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[theGrafixGuy]

Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I have
with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an
auto-responder properly.

If ANYTHING is a waste of bandwidth, that is. I am sure the list could care
a less if your off for a few days tinkering for whatever reason in your
personal closet.

It is this same issue that is seriously making me reconsider the groups
value overall.
 
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  I'm opposed to forking the list.

> I second j.neen's suggestion for a tread-based forum.

This list is threaded..
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/

That is how my mail reader displays it it too. Maybe you could try mail 
software which threads.

> Also, I prefer an RSS feed of the thread as my way to review.

The RSS format is not threaded its flat?

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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Andrew Krespanis]

Brian Grimmer posted --
>Personally, though I prefer the idea of a forum, the biggest issue I 
have
>with an e-mail list is the twits that do not know how to set up an
>auto-responder properly.
I also prefer the idea of a forum instead of such a high volume list. I 
don't have time to check this list daily, and because of this often find 
that I've received 170+ emails from this list  in a matter of a couple of 
days. Quite often the majority of that is people asking for help, which is 
fine, in fact it's great that ppl want to extend their knowledge, but it 
creates a massive amount of posts and replies that the majority *probably* 
aren't interested in. Moving the list to a forum would allow members who are 
only interested in the more theoretical discussions and discussions about 
furthering the cause of web standards to view only that part of the forum 
and not have to wade through pages of "Does this work?" posts.
Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in 
more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i 
do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com...
Peter, Russ, please don't take this as another whinge, it is merely a little 
bit of observation thrown in with a hell of a lot of opinion.

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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Michael J. Hußmann]

Andrew Krespanis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Personally, I joined this list in the hope of reading and participating in
> more theoretical discussion. It's not that I don't want to help people, i
> do, but I already do enough of that at codingforums.com...

While I can perfectly understand this, there are also those unlucky souls
such as me who were forced (so to speak) to subscribe to WSG because
Westciv's CSS-Foundations list is closing down. Westciv was strongly
encouraging us to move over to WSG. Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.

- Michael


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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Justin French]

On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote:
Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.
see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[noa]

Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?
Justin French wrote:
On 23/05/2004, at 10:23 PM, Michael J. Hußmann wrote:
Personally, I have no particular
interest in discussing theoretical issues regarding web standards; if
someone can steer me to a list better suited to dealing with the more
practical issues of using CSS, I would be grateful.

see http://www.CSS-Discuss.org
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Justin French]

On 23/05/2004, at 11:37 PM, noa wrote:
Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?
I'm not sure what you're asking.  The netizens of CSS-D, just like any 
other technical mailing list, can only really help you if you help 
yourself.  Yes, they can provide both practical and theoretical 
solutions to real-world CSS problems, but in order form them to 
efficiently help you, your XHTML and CSS would have to be valid.

Otherwise, they could spend all day debugging a CSS problem which was 
actually sparked by invalid mark-up or neighbouring CSS.

It has it's fair share of holy wars and preachers of course, just like 
any list.

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Kay Smoljak]

> On 23/05/2004, at 11:37 PM, noa wrote:
> Does 'CSS-Discuss' consider validation a theoretical issue?

While I dislike all this "meta" discussion - in my opinion, if you don't like
the format of the list, there are plenty of other resources available in
alternative formats, so you'd be better investigating the other options than
clogging the list with off-topic meta discussion - I have to chime in here.
css-discuss is a great list, but it is insanely high volume and if you think
this list is strict, wait til you see the responses to off-topic posts there. 

Thanks Russ and Peter, this is a great resource, and I'm going to shut up now.
 
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Peter Ottery]

>> Hope that made sense,
nup. youre definately going to have to show us an example. if you havent got a live example to show, make a really simple example by stripping out everything else and just include some html & css within your post. help us to help you! :)

 
 
On 7/21/05, Josh Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,
 
Does anyone know how to get rid of whitespace at the bottom of the page when using relative positioning on a page that has more than 1 column?
 
Hope that made sense,
 
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[Peter Firminger]

Read below!

Please DO NOT send these to the list. You were smart enough to subscribe,
take some responsibility and unsubscribe yourself. We're kinda busy here
right now.

Peter

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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Peter Ottery]

>> On 10/15/05, Stefan wrote:
>  How can I make the Table fill the full width of the column in FireFox and
> IE 6?

same thing happened to me with that type of layout.
I added the following rules to the tables and it sorted it for me:

table {width:100%;float:left}

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Head Chief ,CEO - Poseidon Design Studio]

2005/10/19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Original message sent on the Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:49 1000 by 
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> In evidence piece of your code containig images element definition
>
> 
>height="112">
>height="112">
> 
>
> 
>height="116">
>height="116">
> 
>
> Right, IMHO in this case you don't need 2 division so what happen if you 
> close all the four images in the same division ?
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RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Barrie North]

Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn’t work :/

 

Barrie

 









From:
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Barrie North wrote: 



Hi
all,

 

I
have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be
"cropped" as the screen adjusts.

 

Here
is the link:

 

http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/


 

If
you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index,
overflow:hidden. I can't for the life of me get this to work.

 

Anyone
fancy jumping in and pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J  ?


 

Barrie North








You've set the wrapper at min-width of 760px. The containing box for the image 
won't be in overflow condition at lesser widths. 

drew



 



 

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[Drew Trusz]

On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/

 

Barrie


 






That's what I  get for not trying the solution before  profoundly pronouncing it. 

This one is better. If I remove the absolute positioning of the
#headerbanner the headerimg clips.  I didn't take all the images
just the headerimg. There is still a scroll bar but the img clips.
Haven't played with min-max or other absolutes to see if that affects
the scroll.

drew
 

Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
















Hey Drew,

 

Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed
the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/

 

Barrie


 






  

  

Only way I was able to eliminate the scroll is to make the headerimg a
background image (as someone previously suggested). The image has a
width so when it is used in the foreground that width becomes the
minimum width the page can be reduced to.  A page will only shrink
to the size of the smallest irreducible element -- the headerimg in
this case.

You can see how this works by taking out the wrapper width and then
seeing where the scroll starts. If your eyes and sense of proportion
are better than mine, you can see  this even with the wrapper
width left in place.

Re: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Paul Novitski]

At 03:34 PM 2/28/2006, Hill, Tim wrote:

>  Back to Top

Is there an issue with using this for screenreaders?
Wouldn't they activate this link and nothing would happen?
Does this work effectively across browsers to scroll the page to the top
though? I've found it works on firefox, ie, opera on PC (winXP).



Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the 
cursor (reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page?


Curiously,
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[Patrick H. Lauke]

Paul Novitski wrote:

Wouldn't activating the link in a screen-reader simply move the cursor 
(reading point) from the link to the beginning of the page?


It's been a while since I've sat down with a screen reader, but from my 
limited experience with JAWS the link would be announced as a "same page 
link" (or similar) and activating it would indeed move the 
cursor/caret/focus to the top, as expected.


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[Lea de Groot]

sime wrote:
I used the following as the foundation of my current approach to style 
sheets.

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html


If I am understanding it correctly, thats not meant for page 
developers/designers to base from, its meant for browser developers to 
start from.
You can expect that the default styles supplied by each browser will be 
something like these.
For a web developer to start with something like this would put an 
un-necessary large download on each page. (Yes, yes, I know - caching - 
but its still redundant)


However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because 
of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to?


I don't really understand the question.
As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML 
transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs.
To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag 
name to lowercase.

Its a trivial change.

HIH!
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[Lachlan Hunt]

Lea de Groot wrote:

sime wrote:
However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant 
because of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to?


I don't really understand the question.
As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML 
transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs.


No, it will not work under XHTML at all.  The DOCTYPE is irrelevant, 
XHTML is case sensitive and uppercase element selectors will not match 
anything in XHTML.  It will only work for text/html.


To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag 
name to lowercase.

Its a trivial change.


There's little point for authors to use that stylesheet, it is intended 
as a guide for browser implementors and was supposedly based on the 
default styles applied by browsers at the time.  (Although there are 
still many differences between that stylesheet and real world browsers)


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RE: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[Patrick Lauke]

Title: Message



Hmm...wonderful non-sequitur...
 
Oh...I 
like bread by the way.
 
Patrick

  -Original Message-From: Laurie Keith 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 12 November 2004 
  12:04To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] RE: 
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  I 
  have
   
  Adobe Creative Suite
  Dreamweaver
  Homesite
  Flash
   
  

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Hi peoples
 
I'm desperate for screenshots or error-reports from browsers other 
than Explorer 6, 5.5, 5, 4, 
Opera and Mozilla..
 
The site: http://www.korsbjerggaard.dk/ny/
 
Do you have Explorer 5 for MAC, AOL, 
Konqueror, Safari, or some other browser (maybe a really 
old version)?
 
Can you help?
I hope..
 
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Accesskeys (Was RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org)

[John Foliot - WATS.ca]

Josh Rose wrote:
> 
> What I'm trying to do is have the accesskey underlined, it works fine
> in Firefox and Opera (wayhey), but in IE 6 the a:first-letter works
> fine, but a:hover doesn't at all (it does without a:first-letter
> though) and in Netscape 7 the a:first-letter doesn't work at all
> (just netscapes css support?) but a:hover does.  Phew.
> 
> The CSS is probably a bit bulky, but go easy on me, I'm newish to
> this. 
> 
> Any ideas?  If at all possible I'd like to avoid CSS hacks.
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh.

En Francais eh?  Bienvenue!

Josh,

Accesskeys?  May I suggest you review the following?

Using Accesskeys - Is it worth it?: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19

More reasons why we don't use accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37

Accesskeys and Reserved Keystroke Combinations: 
http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38  

Link Relationships as an Alternative to Accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyalternatives/52

The Future of Accesskeys: 
http://www.wats.ca/articles/thefutureofaccesskeys/66 

Perhaps after reviewing these, you may consider eliminating them
entirely, making your quest a moot point.

Cheers!

JF
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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Away until 7/10/05)

[Marian WEATHERSTONE]

I will be out of the office until the 7 OCTOBER 2005. Please contact
Jacq Marcus on 9391 9967 or Martha Herewini on 9391 9048 for urgent
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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Away until 20/02/2006)

[Marian WEATHERSTONE]

I will be out of the office until the 20 Feburary 2006. Please contact
Jacq Marcus on 9391 9967 or Martha Herewini on 9391 9048 for any urgent
requests.

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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Away until 16/04/2007)

[Marian WEATHERSTONE]

I am currently away until Monday 16 April 2007.  
If you have an enquiry please contact:

Martha Herewini on 9391 9048
or Saikat Choudhury on 9391 9769


Regards, Marian Weatherstone
Web Support Officer
NSW Department of Health

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ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [ZONEALARM CHALLENGE]

[Lea de Groot]

Handled!
(and look! I didn't curse even once! ;))

Lea
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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org (Out of the office until 30/04/2007)

[Marian WEATHERSTONE]

I am currently out of the office until Monday 30 April 2007.  
If you have an enquiry please contact:

Martha Herewini on 9391 9048
or Saikat Choudhury on 9391 9769


Regards, Marian Weatherstone
Web Support Officer
NSW Department of Health

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