RE: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

2004-03-21 Thread theGrafixGuy
I use this tool a lot when I am optimizing my code to see how much I saved
(every byte adds time!).

Using this tool, you can see just how much fat there is in your code. I have
literally shaved off 50% off of some pages.

Unfortunately, while it is possible to build a web page that will get
congrat ratings all the way down the list (scripts that will fit inside a
single packet, and minimal http calls for example), they are less than
optimal for realistic everyday use (though I admit, I am currently toying
with a currently abandoned URL I own and using it to create a site that
looks good is valid XHTML and CSS and gets congrats in ALL the categories
covered by this tool.

Actually, it is kinda fun to work in the limits imposed by the tool and see
just HOW SMALL and minimalist you can go and still have advanced features.


Brian

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From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:50 PM
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Subject: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

This maybe OT, but should be useful to all web developers on the list,
because a site ight well be standards compliant but if it takes 30 seconds
to load than its still failing ...

http://www.webpageanalyzer.com/ - Web Page Analyzer - 0.82

Test your web site speed with our free web-based analyzer. Enter a URL
below to calculate page size, composition, and page download time. The
script calculates the size of individual elements and finds the total for
each type of web page component. Based on these page characteristics the
script then offers advice on how to improve page display time and website
speed. The script incorporates best practices from HCI research into its
recommendations.

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Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
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Re: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

2004-03-21 Thread Robert Moser
Neerav blurted out:
This maybe OT, but should be useful to all web developers on the list, 
because a site ight well be standards compliant but if it takes 30 
seconds to load than its still failing ...
I wouldn't say it was offtopic.  Something like this could be used to 
demonstrate the advantages of using CSS vs table layout.  After doing a 
redesign the new version can be tested head to head with the old.  Doing 
so might even reassure those designers on the fence that there is a 
reason beyond buzzword compliance to the whole CSS thing.
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RE: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

2004-03-21 Thread Jason Turnbull
 Robert Moser wrote:
 Something like this could be used to
 demonstrate the advantages of using CSS vs table layout.

The only problem I can see is images referenced in the CSS are not taken
into account 

Jason


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Re: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

2004-03-21 Thread Hugh Todd
Nor is the fact that stylesheets (and images, for that matter) are 
cached. You're only comparing a first hit on one page. One of the 
beauties of CSS is that once you're past that first page, and into 
other pages on the site, you're not going to be downloading table code 
again and again and again, and the browser remembers the CSS.

-Hugh

Robert Moser wrote:
Something like this could be used to
demonstrate the advantages of using CSS vs table layout.
The only problem I can see is images referenced in the CSS are not 
taken
into account 
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RE: [WSG] slightly OT web page analyser service

2004-03-21 Thread theGrafixGuy
I think the reason for that is that the structure of the page is built and
the images can d/l while the the content is in place and the reader can
begin seeing something atleast.

This tool (which I discovered last month as part of a plug-in for Mozilla
and Firefox) sold me the rest of the way on the advantages of CSS. 

I know as time allows I am going to rebuild my newly rebuilt tables-based
site UGH! But to my clients advantage, I have already begun implimenting
CSS into their sites full bore.

Brian

The only problem I can see is images referenced in the CSS are not taken
into account 

Jason

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