Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size spam-filtering 'solution' do you? I have spamassassin on the server, and thunderbird as client - and I rarely see spam make it through those and into my inbox. Does that count? -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size spam-filtering 'solution' do you? (The word solution should really be in quadruple quotes, 'cos it ain't one.) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Although spam is a big red flag for many. Which should ideally be solved at the email server + email client end, in my view. P -- Patrick H. Lauke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a I don't know what you would gain by this Any bots harvesting email addresses will just pick up on the address in the href. Unfortunately, I think the only accessible way to do this is to have the traditional form of email address being used and getting server side protection from spam. If you don't care about accessibility (though you wouldn't be on this list!), then use JavaScript to cut down on spam, but I am sure that bots will be able to read generated source pretty soon if they can't already. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM?? Michael Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Michael Persson front-end developer seo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On 15 May 2008, at 15:35, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? Probably: (1) Clearly flag it as an email address (2) Link it (3) Provide the address in easily copy/paste-able format for webmail users So: pEmail Jon at a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a./ p or possibly pa href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Email Jon at [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a./ p -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it. Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM?? Michael Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Michael Persson front-end developer seo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ? A lot oh hustle but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible. Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I would think that having the email available in the sense of usability is optimal. Although spam is a big red flag for many. What are some scripts to hide a readable/printable email address? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:03 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it. Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM?? Michael Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Michael Persson front-end developer seo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On 15 May 2008, at 16:13, Krystian - Sunlust wrote: How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ? A lot oh hustle Transcribing an email address is more effect then a lot of people are willing to make. It's a good way to lose useful feedback. but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible. OCR and voice recognition software exists, if the both author can be bothered to use it. It isn't accessible to users who can't handle the image or sound (e.g. braille users without speakers). -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie? Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On 15 May 2008, at 16:32, Krystian - Sunlust wrote: Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie? A what? Do you mean attribute? There isn't much point in concealing the text of the email address in an image if you are going to include it as clear text in an alt attribute! -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Yes. Alt attribute. Damn, I thought that I came up with the best solutions ever for emails, you just shot me down ;-( Thanks for letting me know mate. Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krystian - Sunlust Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie? Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I meant title attribute ;) -Original Message- From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
How about JavaScript? I found this code at
http://rickconner.net/spamweb/avoiding.html:
div align=center
p
script type=text/javascript
!--
// protected email script by Joe Maller
// JavaScripts available at http://www.joemaller.com
// this script is free to use and distribute
// but please credit me and/or link to my site
// data modified for demonstration purposes by Richard C. Conner
emailE=('frank16@' + 'nobody.zzz')
document.write('A href=mailto:' + emailE + '' + emailE + '/a')
//--
/script
/p
noscript
emEmail address protected by
JavaScript.br
Please enable JavaScript
to contact me./em
/noscript
/div
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Dorward
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:26 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On 15 May 2008, at 16:13, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled
out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ?
A lot oh hustle
Transcribing an email address is more effect then a lot of people are
willing to make. It's a good way to lose useful feedback.
but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible.
OCR and voice recognition software exists, if the both author can be
bothered to use it.
It isn't accessible to users who can't handle the image or sound (e.g.
braille users without speakers).
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a so what if i want to copy/paste the email from the page to another document or something? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Although spam is a big red flag for many. Which should ideally be solved at the email server + email client end, in my view. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:35:16 -0400, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? After putting a plain email address on my web site I got a lot of spam. So I changed my contact address and put it on the page as mail(at)example(dot)com. Then I used a small script to convert that to a conventional mailto:; link. No spam from that address in over a year, so it seems to fool 'bots for now. I'd be interested to hear from the accessibility folks, though. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
