Re: [WSG] big trouble...still!
At 14:58 +1100 15/1/04, Peter Ottery wrote: >> Can someone please check again for me? yep, its good to go, it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now. pete Pete, Chris, Gary, thanks so much, it is probably as I originally suspected a cache issue, thanks again for taking the time to look. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!
If the css is in a linked file, change the filename to prevent users getting the cached version. -Original Message- From: Chris Blown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] big trouble...still! This may be a caching issue. I tried it here and its OK on IE v6 ChrisB On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 13:38, stuart wrote: > Received and e-mail today regarding the unexpected crashing of this > page *still* > http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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This may be a caching issue. I tried it here and its OK on IE v6 ChrisB On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 13:38, stuart wrote: > Received and e-mail today regarding the unexpected crashing of this > page *still* > http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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> Can someone please check again for me? Checked it then in my IE6 (which crashed before). Works fine now. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!
Title: RE: [WSG] big trouble...still! >> Can someone please check again for me? yep, its good to go, it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now. pete
Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
At 16:56 +1000 13/1/04, Gary Menzel wrote:
> #content p:first-letter
{
font-size: 1.5em;
vertical-align: -5px;
text-indent: 2px;
}
I am no expert on CSS - but the vertical-align: -5px will probably NOT be
nice in IE.
My experience has been that it expects something like top, middle, bottom
for vertical-align. A keyword - not a measurement.
Thanks Gary, food for thought, will experiment a little more and see
what happens, strange though that it crashed BOTH IE 6 and Safari?
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Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
> #content p:first-letter
> {
>font-size: 1.5em;
>vertical-align: -5px;
>text-indent: 2px;
> }
I am no expert on CSS - but the vertical-align: -5px will probably NOT be
nice in IE.
My experience has been that it expects something like top, middle, bottom
for vertical-align. A keyword - not a measurement.
But I could be wrong here (but not if you believe the doco on the MSDSN
site).
The other two values look as though they would be valid for IE and the
first-letter pseudo-element seems to be accepted by IE as well.
I have no idea what vertical-align should accept for standard CSS though.
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Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
At 17:49 +1100 13/1/04, Alastair Weakley wrote:
I use BBedit, which has a comment function, it gives something like this:
/* #content p:first-letter */
/* { */
/* font-size: 1.5em; */
/* vertical-align: -5px; */
/* text-indent: 2px; */
/* } */
AW
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At 17:07 +1030 13/1/04, Miles Tillinger wrote: yes, that's the culprit for IE6 for me as well... works fine without that definition. So now that Alastair suggestion fixed the problem ( I owe you a beer/scotch/pizza, whatever) is there someplace that this can be noted for prosperity/future reference? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
I use BBedit, which has a comment function, it gives something like
this:
/* #content p:first-letter */
/* { */
/* font-size: 1.5em; */
/* vertical-align: -5px; */
/* text-indent: 2px; */
/* } */
AW
On 13 Jan 2004, at 17:41, stuart wrote:
At 17:26 +1100 13/1/04, Alastair Weakley wrote:
HI
It crashes safari for me, except when I comment out this bit:
#content p:first-letter
{
font-size: 1.5em;
vertical-align: -5px;
text-indent: 2px;
}
Thanks Alastair, do you simply adding a comment before that statement
such as
/*ignore this ie*/??
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Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
At 17:26 +1100 13/1/04, Alastair Weakley wrote:
HI
It crashes safari for me, except when I comment out this bit:
#content p:first-letter
{
font-size: 1.5em;
vertical-align: -5px;
text-indent: 2px;
}
Thanks Alastair, do you simply adding a comment before that statement such as
/*ignore this ie*/??
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yes, that's the culprit for IE6 for me as well... works fine without that definition.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
HI
It crashes safari for me, except when I comment out this bit:
#content p:first-letter
{
font-size: 1.5em;
vertical-align: -5px;
text-indent: 2px;
}
Alastair
On 13 Jan 2004, at 16:29, stuart wrote:
>
> Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me,
> http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm
>
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Re: [WSG] Big trouble!
HI
It crashes safari for me, except when I comment out this bit:
#content p:first-letter
{
font-size: 1.5em;
vertical-align: -5px;
text-indent: 2px;
}
Alastair
On 13 Jan 2004, at 16:29, stuart wrote:
Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me,
http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm
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10.05.229
Creativity & Cognition Studios
Faculty of IT
University of Technology, Sydney
PO Box 123
Broadway
NSW 2007
Tel: +61(0)2 9514 4637
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RE: [WSG] Big trouble!
At 15:58 +1000 13/1/04, Gary Menzel wrote: Yes - same story here. IE 6 on XP crashes with a "Send this error to MS" type dialog. Something is very evil on that page (at least that would be Bill's story if you asked him). Works fine in Mozilla Firebird though. While I have become partial to Firebird I am still a pragmatist and realise that 95%+ people in the world are apparently using IE. Do you have IE to test it with? Only Mac 5.2. What really has me stumped is that it validates both the html and CSS, and works in Moz, and IE for the Mac, but crashes, Safari? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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> Crashes IE 6 & 5.5 on Windows XP here, no idea why though, sorry. (I just > saved the HTML locally & had a look - everything was okay, so I'd say it's > something in the CSS) Yes - same story here. IE 6 on XP crashes with a "Send this error to MS" type dialog. Something is very evil on that page (at least that would be Bill's story if you asked him). Works fine in Mozilla Firebird though. While I have become partial to Firebird I am still a pragmatist and realise that 95%+ people in the world are apparently using IE. Do you have IE to test it with? Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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The client's description of: "text initially" and "then changed back to what it should look like complete with pics" sounds like the infamous FUSC , or Flash of Unstyled Content. More info can be found here: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp as well as a google search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=flash+of+unstyled+content&btnG=Google+Search Regards, David McDonald Web Designer Melbourne, Australia http://www.davidmcdonald.org ICQ:11814164 - Original Message - From: stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:29 pm Subject: [WSG] Big trouble! > > Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me, > http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm > > It has been behaving badly from day 1 my client > is very old school and the best trouble shooting > message I can get out them is "it doesn't work". > They are unable to tell me what version browser > is in use at the time the problems are occurring? > > here's an example of the kind of message I'm > getting, frankly I can't afford to lose any more > hair over this one! > ~~~ > "I've had a look at the site and I cannot get > onto the prices page either. It was interesting > actually??When I typed in the address to go to > the site, it bought up a page full of text > initially (no pictures?just big text of 'wedding > photographers'), and then changed back to what it > should look like complete with pics." > ~~~ > > Obvioulsy I need as much info as needed to > troubleshoot this, I'm sure there is some > obliging person here who can help? > > FWIW the page/s in question validate as does the CSS > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
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stuart wrote: > Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me, > http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm Crashes IE 6 & 5.5 on Windows XP here, no idea why though, sorry. (I just saved the HTML locally & had a look - everything was okay, so I'd say it's something in the CSS) Re. the initial page fulll of text, it's most likely the infamous Flash Of Unstyled Content bug: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp hth -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
